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Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
September 20 2011 09:24 GMT
#1041
I'm sorry for lurking, I had to stay active in LOTR mafia while having a really busy weekend, rest assured I've caught up now and I'm going to reason out my initial suspicions.

Jackal
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On September 14 2011 22:32 Jackal58 wrote:
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On September 14 2011 22:19 chaos13 wrote:
On September 14 2011 21:20 Forumite wrote:
I´m not following this argument, Chaos13, you are saying that you distrust something tnkted said, and that makes me scum?


No, when I read tnkted's post I agreed with him without actually reading things over again. Then when I did read things over again I realized I still thought you were scum.

I think tnkted is scum for other reasons, and I'll leave that alone until tomorrow or another day cause right now it would just be cluttering up the thread. Not a good thing to introduce new suspects this late into a majority lynch.

This thread couldn't be any more cluttered than it is right now.
I don't follow your logic regarding tnkted and Forumite. tnkted convinces you Forumite isn't scum, then you revisit it and decide they are both scum. But you give us no reason for either of them other than I changed my mind again and I'll tell you later.

##VOTE: Chaos13

Scum play 101 dude.


Notice how chaos was first to wind up dead? current scum meta seems to rely on wifom to excuse anyone the NK blames

On September 16 2011 12:00 Jackal58 wrote:
As for the snide remark about Curu? Really?

Bandwagoning

Ludicrous. I was the first vote on Forumite? How is that bandwagoning?

As for the "5 wagons" I jumped on (lol?): They are all acting suspicious. I voted for sinani because we need a majority to lynch, and none of the other candidates seemed to be viable options. We barely made majority with only 7 votes on him at deadline. I don't regret my choice. I guess if your wagon had more support behind it we might have lynched scum Day1?


You never voted for Forumite.

On September 17 2011 03:33 Jackal58 wrote:
Yes Twinkles is tnkted.

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On September 17 2011 01:16 wherebugsgo wrote:
On September 16 2011 19:44 Jackal58 wrote:
Twinkles is town. Guaranteed.


What is this? Are you saying tnkted is town?

I won't believe this until I have adequate reason to, as for now I still think tnkted is mafia.

Nisani is acting pretty weird too, he hasn't said anything about tnkted really but insta voted him after the day post with no reasoning.

Anyway, I won't be around for the next 12-16 hours or so. Today is Friday and all my HW is due (plus I have like five classes) so I won't be free until tonight around 8 pm PST or so. I'll be back then to see how the thread has gone.

Till then, the best lynch, IMO, is tntked.

##vote tnkted


Because he did something incredibly stupid. He got lucky but it was still stupid. (Sorry twinkles)
If you feel compelled to lynch me to verify my alignment I'm ok with that. But you do so under the condition that you guys keep twinkles alive. He's 500% guaranteed town.


We should test this

On September 19 2011 09:10 Jackal58 wrote:
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On September 19 2011 08:57 GreYMisT wrote:
I know how to solve this mess of a day we have created.
## Unvote
## Vote Jackal58


You said earlier that you are ok with us killing you to confirm the alignment of tntked. I feel that is nessesary now more than ever.

I forget the game, but we know that you have done crazy scum gambits before, like when you bussed jee jee day1ish. So far all analysis we have done today is WIFOM assuming that you and tntked are confirmed town. Looking back I now realize it is imperitave that we confirm tntked, the holder of the items.
Or has your opinion changed jackal? are you no longer ok with supplying us with a 500% confirmed town at your expense?

Nope. Have not changed a thing. If my lynch helps to secure a town victory I'm all for it.
Of Forumite, WBG, and Lucidity at least 1 is definitely scum if not 2 of them. I personally see it as most likely 1 atm. If WBG flips town I don't know yet which of the other two is going to flip scum but one of them will.


He knows that ONE is scum

On September 19 2011 10:47 Jackal58 wrote:
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On September 19 2011 10:46 Forumite wrote:
Jackal, has the exchange between me and WBG made him look more or less scummy to you?

Less.


Here he attempts to relieve pressure on Forumite


Forumite

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On September 13 2011 10:13 Forumite wrote:
Personally, I don´t want to lynch lurkers or Jackal. Lynching Jackal for the fun of it is a mistake. Checking the last games, he´s often dead after the second night, mostly after he rolls Town and gets lynched anyway. He could be scum (Like in the CH game ), but I´m not wasting time pushing to lynch him until he´s shown some real scumtells. Jackal does warrant a cop check though, if we have a detective out there.


Killing Jackal is a mistake

On September 18 2011 04:14 Forumite wrote:
I believe Jackal and tnkted's claim, and we should back off from them. It´s a closed game, and the simplest solution is that they got something interesting in their PMs, not that Scum suddenly tried an extremely risky gambit to get two of their own killed. In my eyes, they are confirmed Town, although how long they´ll last is anyones guess.


We should back away?

On September 18 2011 08:11 Forumite wrote:
Capital letters of the PM, in order: YIPM

It did not contain a mason circle, we did not have the option to speak to eachother, we just got a piece each, and had to hope for a claim or breadcrumb to lead us to the other. I breadcrumbes, WBG didn´t until recently. Without a mason circle, it makes sense to get the pieces earlier, so there was more time to find the other holder.


This makes me think Jackal and Tnkted's mason circle is fake, since the rules don't appear to be consistant.

On September 19 2011 09:44 Forumite wrote:
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On September 19 2011 09:39 GreYMisT wrote:
You are right, tntked gave his piece to Jackal who then gave the completed piece to tntked. This completely eliminates the 3rd possibility in my eyes, however the 1st and 2nd are still viable options.

While they might be both red, if they are that ballsy, but if we haven´t hit jackpot, killing one Town to confirm another feels counterproductive. We would probably end up with 2 dead Town today, that´s why I don´t like killing to confirm. It´s just lynching for information.


Which makes it a great claim for scum in a closed setup.

Tnkted

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Tnkted doesn't have much on him, and I was almost willing to accept that him and Jackal were innocent, up until this contradiction

On September 16 2011 13:26 tnkted wrote:
I'm not scum. Jackal is town if I get vigged, thanks to his post above here.


On September 20 2011 12:35 tnkted wrote:
okay, but scum won't be guessing if I give them to you.


Hey yall, if I die due to a daykill or whatever lynch jackal k?


Of the three, I find Forumite the most scummy
##Vote Forumite
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
September 20 2011 09:25 GMT
#1042
EBWOP this line was supposed to be inside the above spoiler, I can't believe I missed that
"Which makes it a great claim for scum in a closed setup."
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
September 20 2011 09:51 GMT
#1043
Cyber, are you saying that there is a 3-person scumcircle that revealed themselves around the element claims, or was it just an excuse to throw a vote on me? Having allready voted on me yesterday, can you not make a more detailed analysis, and actually consider if how we handle the elements change things in any way? Of your quoted posts on me, the one about the Jackal+tnkted mason circle isn´t even about me, and as you mentioned, it´s a closed setup, so we can´t know how the elements are given out. Your case on tnkted are not even scummy, it´s tnkted wanting to make sure he´s not screwed over.
:3
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
September 20 2011 10:00 GMT
#1044
On September 20 2011 17:38 Lucidity wrote:
I received one part of the element of kindness on Night 2. I propose that everyone who received elements of kindness send them to me. We need some diversity (all eggs in 1 basket and all that) and if you trust tnkted, you can trust me.

Yay, another piece!

I agree that we don´t want all in one basket, but wouldn´t claiming be a good thing to do before sending it over? That way we can confirm when you got it, if that detail should ever be important. Also, while I think you are Town, the circumstances that made tnkted trustworthy enough to get elements don´t really apply here.
:3
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
September 20 2011 10:01 GMT
#1045
I just realised I missed an important connection, notice that previously my linking was mostly forumite latching onto the others, possibly in an attempt to look town when they flip. The chance of mafia getting three pieces of the elements before day 2 seem low, so it leads me to thinking Tnkted and Jackal are actually townies.

On September 19 2011 07:26 Forumite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2011 07:21 tnkted wrote:
Am I imagining things, or did Curu and nisani and somebody else claim to all be in a mason circle on quicktopic? Don't they have shards as well?

Curu, Nisani and I have a quicktopic, but it´s not connected to pieces of Harmony, it´s due to us being,
CUTIE MARK CRUSADERS, YEAH!


Nisani waits until nobody claims half of an element from day 1 before proceeding to 'clear' Forumite.
Their QT has nothing to do with the elements.
I would like to put forward the idea that the cutie mark crusaders are the theme for the mafia's ponies, which would match up with s1e17. They wandered into the forest looking for cutie marks, and the cockatrice in the forest is petrifying those who would search for them.

+ Show Spoiler [Don't use this as evidence] +

Just a little thing I noticed : despite being first on the replacements list, Curu was chosen to fill the missing role, I believe this is because I proved myself to be incredibly nooby in my first game, Cosmic horror mafia, where GM was participating as TheFerryman
I believe this is because ON was a mafia, and GM thought it better that a pro took the mafia spot
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
September 20 2011 10:03 GMT
#1046
On September 20 2011 18:51 Forumite wrote:
Cyber, are you saying that there is a 3-person scumcircle that revealed themselves around the element claims, or was it just an excuse to throw a vote on me? Having allready voted on me yesterday, can you not make a more detailed analysis, and actually consider if how we handle the elements change things in any way? Of your quoted posts on me, the one about the Jackal+tnkted mason circle isn´t even about me, and as you mentioned, it´s a closed setup, so we can´t know how the elements are given out. Your case on tnkted are not even scummy, it´s tnkted wanting to make sure he´s not screwed over.


No, that was merely an explaination of my beliefs from yesterday, with some reasoning, and a placeholder vote just in case I don't get around to moving it.
In hindsight, the names shouldn't be red.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
September 20 2011 10:10 GMT
#1047
On September 20 2011 19:01 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I just realised I missed an important connection, notice that previously my linking was mostly forumite latching onto the others, possibly in an attempt to look town when they flip. The chance of mafia getting three pieces of the elements before day 2 seem low, so it leads me to thinking Tnkted and Jackal are actually townies.

Show nested quote +
On September 19 2011 07:26 Forumite wrote:
On September 19 2011 07:21 tnkted wrote:
Am I imagining things, or did Curu and nisani and somebody else claim to all be in a mason circle on quicktopic? Don't they have shards as well?

Curu, Nisani and I have a quicktopic, but it´s not connected to pieces of Harmony, it´s due to us being,
CUTIE MARK CRUSADERS, YEAH!


Nisani waits until nobody claims half of an element from day 1 before proceeding to 'clear' Forumite.
Their QT has nothing to do with the elements.
I would like to put forward the idea that the cutie mark crusaders are the theme for the mafia's ponies, which would match up with s1e17. They wandered into the forest looking for cutie marks, and the cockatrice in the forest is petrifying those who would search for them.

+ Show Spoiler [Don't use this as evidence] +

Just a little thing I noticed : despite being first on the replacements list, Curu was chosen to fill the missing role, I believe this is because I proved myself to be incredibly nooby in my first game, Cosmic horror mafia, where GM was participating as TheFerryman
I believe this is because ON was a mafia, and GM thought it better that a pro took the mafia spot

So, you assumed I was scum, and then based your other analysis around that, and now you are doing it again. Do you still think Jackal+tnkted lied about their mason-circle, or is that not convenient evidence anymore?

Yes, it has been proposed that the CMC are actually a scum circle, but in that case, why did I claim an element? That Nisani would help me if I got into trouble makes sense, but why would then Curu jump out and start accusing me immediately after the others claimed? There was no pressure on him revealing himself, not from me or Nisani, nor from Town in general. If we are all scum, why is it a good idea to reveal ourselves in connection to eachother? Scum don´t want connections that can implicate them all. If there are two scum that go down together, then there´s a third one desperately trying to look Town by lynching them. Based on that, us all being scum really doesn´t make any sense at all.
:3
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
September 20 2011 10:15 GMT
#1048
On September 20 2011 19:10 Forumite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 19:01 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I just realised I missed an important connection, notice that previously my linking was mostly forumite latching onto the others, possibly in an attempt to look town when they flip. The chance of mafia getting three pieces of the elements before day 2 seem low, so it leads me to thinking Tnkted and Jackal are actually townies.

On September 19 2011 07:26 Forumite wrote:
On September 19 2011 07:21 tnkted wrote:
Am I imagining things, or did Curu and nisani and somebody else claim to all be in a mason circle on quicktopic? Don't they have shards as well?

Curu, Nisani and I have a quicktopic, but it´s not connected to pieces of Harmony, it´s due to us being,
CUTIE MARK CRUSADERS, YEAH!


Nisani waits until nobody claims half of an element from day 1 before proceeding to 'clear' Forumite.
Their QT has nothing to do with the elements.
I would like to put forward the idea that the cutie mark crusaders are the theme for the mafia's ponies, which would match up with s1e17. They wandered into the forest looking for cutie marks, and the cockatrice in the forest is petrifying those who would search for them.

+ Show Spoiler [Don't use this as evidence] +

Just a little thing I noticed : despite being first on the replacements list, Curu was chosen to fill the missing role, I believe this is because I proved myself to be incredibly nooby in my first game, Cosmic horror mafia, where GM was participating as TheFerryman
I believe this is because ON was a mafia, and GM thought it better that a pro took the mafia spot

So, you assumed I was scum, and then based your other analysis around that, and now you are doing it again. Do you still think Jackal+tnkted lied about their mason-circle, or is that not convenient evidence anymore?

Yes, it has been proposed that the CMC are actually a scum circle, but in that case, why did I claim an element? That Nisani would help me if I got into trouble makes sense, but why would then Curu jump out and start accusing me immediately after the others claimed? There was no pressure on him revealing himself, not from me or Nisani, nor from Town in general. If we are all scum, why is it a good idea to reveal ourselves in connection to eachother? Scum don´t want connections that can implicate them all. If there are two scum that go down together, then there´s a third one desperately trying to look Town by lynching them. Based on that, us all being scum really doesn´t make any sense at all.


And based on scum knowing that, they could use it to their advantage to save the third person by choosing to link them, it's a very wifom scenario.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
September 20 2011 10:16 GMT
#1049
On September 20 2011 19:03 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 18:51 Forumite wrote:
Cyber, are you saying that there is a 3-person scumcircle that revealed themselves around the element claims, or was it just an excuse to throw a vote on me? Having allready voted on me yesterday, can you not make a more detailed analysis, and actually consider if how we handle the elements change things in any way? Of your quoted posts on me, the one about the Jackal+tnkted mason circle isn´t even about me, and as you mentioned, it´s a closed setup, so we can´t know how the elements are given out. Your case on tnkted are not even scummy, it´s tnkted wanting to make sure he´s not screwed over.


No, that was merely an explaination of my beliefs from yesterday, with some reasoning, and a placeholder vote just in case I don't get around to moving it.
In hindsight, the names shouldn't be red.

Why shouldn´t it be red? Your analysis on Jackal seemed to suggest he´s definetly scum, unless the hindsight you mean is that you changed your mind entirely on those two.
:3
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
September 20 2011 10:19 GMT
#1050
On September 20 2011 19:15 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 19:10 Forumite wrote:
On September 20 2011 19:01 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I just realised I missed an important connection, notice that previously my linking was mostly forumite latching onto the others, possibly in an attempt to look town when they flip. The chance of mafia getting three pieces of the elements before day 2 seem low, so it leads me to thinking Tnkted and Jackal are actually townies.

On September 19 2011 07:26 Forumite wrote:
On September 19 2011 07:21 tnkted wrote:
Am I imagining things, or did Curu and nisani and somebody else claim to all be in a mason circle on quicktopic? Don't they have shards as well?

Curu, Nisani and I have a quicktopic, but it´s not connected to pieces of Harmony, it´s due to us being,
CUTIE MARK CRUSADERS, YEAH!


Nisani waits until nobody claims half of an element from day 1 before proceeding to 'clear' Forumite.
Their QT has nothing to do with the elements.
I would like to put forward the idea that the cutie mark crusaders are the theme for the mafia's ponies, which would match up with s1e17. They wandered into the forest looking for cutie marks, and the cockatrice in the forest is petrifying those who would search for them.

+ Show Spoiler [Don't use this as evidence] +

Just a little thing I noticed : despite being first on the replacements list, Curu was chosen to fill the missing role, I believe this is because I proved myself to be incredibly nooby in my first game, Cosmic horror mafia, where GM was participating as TheFerryman
I believe this is because ON was a mafia, and GM thought it better that a pro took the mafia spot

So, you assumed I was scum, and then based your other analysis around that, and now you are doing it again. Do you still think Jackal+tnkted lied about their mason-circle, or is that not convenient evidence anymore?

Yes, it has been proposed that the CMC are actually a scum circle, but in that case, why did I claim an element? That Nisani would help me if I got into trouble makes sense, but why would then Curu jump out and start accusing me immediately after the others claimed? There was no pressure on him revealing himself, not from me or Nisani, nor from Town in general. If we are all scum, why is it a good idea to reveal ourselves in connection to eachother? Scum don´t want connections that can implicate them all. If there are two scum that go down together, then there´s a third one desperately trying to look Town by lynching them. Based on that, us all being scum really doesn´t make any sense at all.


And based on scum knowing that, they could use it to their advantage to save the third person by choosing to link them, it's a very wifom scenario.

And you are using a WIFOM argument to make that point. If the best plan is to keep scum disconnected whenever possible, and putting all the scum forward as a united team is the worst plan, why choose the worst plan?
:3
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
September 20 2011 10:24 GMT
#1051
On September 20 2011 19:16 Forumite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 19:03 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On September 20 2011 18:51 Forumite wrote:
Cyber, are you saying that there is a 3-person scumcircle that revealed themselves around the element claims, or was it just an excuse to throw a vote on me? Having allready voted on me yesterday, can you not make a more detailed analysis, and actually consider if how we handle the elements change things in any way? Of your quoted posts on me, the one about the Jackal+tnkted mason circle isn´t even about me, and as you mentioned, it´s a closed setup, so we can´t know how the elements are given out. Your case on tnkted are not even scummy, it´s tnkted wanting to make sure he´s not screwed over.


No, that was merely an explaination of my beliefs from yesterday, with some reasoning, and a placeholder vote just in case I don't get around to moving it.
In hindsight, the names shouldn't be red.

Why shouldn´t it be red? Your analysis on Jackal seemed to suggest he´s definetly scum, unless the hindsight you mean is that you changed your mind entirely on those two.


None of my arguments so far are solid, it's all rough speculation. Unless it matches up with pre-existing arguments, it should taken with a very sceptical outlook, which the choice of red doesn't imply in the slightest.
I'm curious as to why you chose to first discredit my arguments and then when I chose to discredit them to an extent them myself, you suddenly want me to commit to only one of them.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
September 20 2011 10:32 GMT
#1052
On September 20 2011 19:24 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 19:16 Forumite wrote:
On September 20 2011 19:03 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On September 20 2011 18:51 Forumite wrote:
Cyber, are you saying that there is a 3-person scumcircle that revealed themselves around the element claims, or was it just an excuse to throw a vote on me? Having allready voted on me yesterday, can you not make a more detailed analysis, and actually consider if how we handle the elements change things in any way? Of your quoted posts on me, the one about the Jackal+tnkted mason circle isn´t even about me, and as you mentioned, it´s a closed setup, so we can´t know how the elements are given out. Your case on tnkted are not even scummy, it´s tnkted wanting to make sure he´s not screwed over.


No, that was merely an explaination of my beliefs from yesterday, with some reasoning, and a placeholder vote just in case I don't get around to moving it.
In hindsight, the names shouldn't be red.

Why shouldn´t it be red? Your analysis on Jackal seemed to suggest he´s definetly scum, unless the hindsight you mean is that you changed your mind entirely on those two.


None of my arguments so far are solid, it's all rough speculation. Unless it matches up with pre-existing arguments, it should taken with a very sceptical outlook, which the choice of red doesn't imply in the slightest.
I'm curious as to why you chose to first discredit my arguments and then when I chose to discredit them to an extent them myself, you suddenly want me to commit to only one of them.

And now you are backing off, but keeping the vote on me...

You do know you are voting on me, right? Of course I´m going to discredit them, especially if the case is going to be this weak.
:3
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
September 20 2011 10:36 GMT
#1053
On September 20 2011 12:09 tnkted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 11:00 Forumite wrote:
Expecting a post from tnkted...

Okay last night I roleblocked forumite with my role ability (haunting sounds lol) and used the wifom from whether I'd use the bulletproof or the medic to use neither ability and instead used the name check on lucidity.

Right, you are Zecora and have a roleblock ability, but why use it on me?

I guess it makes sense to have a Town Roleblocker in a game where everyone could get a nightpower.
:3
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
September 20 2011 11:35 GMT
#1054
On September 20 2011 19:32 Forumite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 19:24 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On September 20 2011 19:16 Forumite wrote:
On September 20 2011 19:03 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On September 20 2011 18:51 Forumite wrote:
Cyber, are you saying that there is a 3-person scumcircle that revealed themselves around the element claims, or was it just an excuse to throw a vote on me? Having allready voted on me yesterday, can you not make a more detailed analysis, and actually consider if how we handle the elements change things in any way? Of your quoted posts on me, the one about the Jackal+tnkted mason circle isn´t even about me, and as you mentioned, it´s a closed setup, so we can´t know how the elements are given out. Your case on tnkted are not even scummy, it´s tnkted wanting to make sure he´s not screwed over.


No, that was merely an explaination of my beliefs from yesterday, with some reasoning, and a placeholder vote just in case I don't get around to moving it.
In hindsight, the names shouldn't be red.

Why shouldn´t it be red? Your analysis on Jackal seemed to suggest he´s definetly scum, unless the hindsight you mean is that you changed your mind entirely on those two.


None of my arguments so far are solid, it's all rough speculation. Unless it matches up with pre-existing arguments, it should taken with a very sceptical outlook, which the choice of red doesn't imply in the slightest.
I'm curious as to why you chose to first discredit my arguments and then when I chose to discredit them to an extent them myself, you suddenly want me to commit to only one of them.

And now you are backing off, but keeping the vote on me...

You do know you are voting on me, right? Of course I´m going to discredit them, especially if the case is going to be this weak.


But you stopped discrediting them long enough to commit to making me specifically target Jackal why?
Because it was a trap designed for you to prove your scumminess, the case on Jackal was inappropriately the strongest, when blaming him for chaos's death didn't actually make any sense
Chaos did at no point accuse Jackal, and therefore the whole NK WIFOM section belongs under Tnkted.
You chose to overlook it, because it was convenient that I had 'forgotten' that the main person he had accused was you.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
September 20 2011 11:59 GMT
#1055
On September 20 2011 20:35 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
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On September 20 2011 19:32 Forumite wrote:
On September 20 2011 19:24 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On September 20 2011 19:16 Forumite wrote:
On September 20 2011 19:03 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On September 20 2011 18:51 Forumite wrote:
Cyber, are you saying that there is a 3-person scumcircle that revealed themselves around the element claims, or was it just an excuse to throw a vote on me? Having allready voted on me yesterday, can you not make a more detailed analysis, and actually consider if how we handle the elements change things in any way? Of your quoted posts on me, the one about the Jackal+tnkted mason circle isn´t even about me, and as you mentioned, it´s a closed setup, so we can´t know how the elements are given out. Your case on tnkted are not even scummy, it´s tnkted wanting to make sure he´s not screwed over.


No, that was merely an explaination of my beliefs from yesterday, with some reasoning, and a placeholder vote just in case I don't get around to moving it.
In hindsight, the names shouldn't be red.

Why shouldn´t it be red? Your analysis on Jackal seemed to suggest he´s definetly scum, unless the hindsight you mean is that you changed your mind entirely on those two.


None of my arguments so far are solid, it's all rough speculation. Unless it matches up with pre-existing arguments, it should taken with a very sceptical outlook, which the choice of red doesn't imply in the slightest.
I'm curious as to why you chose to first discredit my arguments and then when I chose to discredit them to an extent them myself, you suddenly want me to commit to only one of them.

And now you are backing off, but keeping the vote on me...

You do know you are voting on me, right? Of course I´m going to discredit them, especially if the case is going to be this weak.


But you stopped discrediting them long enough to commit to making me specifically target Jackal why?
Because it was a trap designed for you to prove your scumminess, the case on Jackal was inappropriately the strongest, when blaming him for chaos's death didn't actually make any sense
Chaos did at no point accuse Jackal, and therefore the whole NK WIFOM section belongs under Tnkted.
You chose to overlook it, because it was convenient that I had 'forgotten' that the main person he had accused was you.

Were you trying to make a trap there? Why did you make the cases so bad then? There are loads of things you left out of that analysis. True, I missed the purposefully wrong argument, because there were so many other arguments you left out.

As for Chaos13, you accusing me because Chaos13 died after making a case against me, there´s a word for that, WIFOM. If I´m scum, it would make sense for me to kill the one pushing for me, but it makes just as much sense for scum to kill Chaos13 if I´m Town, to put suspicion on me, or kill Chaos13 because he´s a good player. Nightkills are not evidence of anything but the role and alignment of the one killed.
:3
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
September 20 2011 12:32 GMT
#1056
Votes Day 1+ Show Spoiler +
Forumite (1)
1-Lucidity
2-Chaos13
4-Sevryn/Erandorr
17-Chaos13

Greymist (0)
3-tnkted

DroneAllDay (0)
5-Nisani201
6-Dreamflower

OriginalName/Curu (2)
7-tnkted
11-tnkted
13-chaos13
14-nisani201
15-sinani206
20-DroneAllDay
24-Nisani201

tnkted (1)
8-wherebugsgo
21-Sevryn

Sinani206 (7)
9-Greymist
10-Curu
16-Forumite
22-Dreamflower
25-Lucidity
26-Jackal58
27-wherebugsgo

Dreamflower (1)
12-sinani206
18-tnkted

Chaos13 (0)
19-Jackal58

wherebugsgo (0)
23-Nisani201

Nisani201 (1)
28-DroneAllDay

Votes Day 2+ Show Spoiler +
tnkted (0)
1-Nisani201
2-wherebugsgo

wherebugsgo (4)
3-Jackal58
11-Nisani201
12-Forumite
14-Lucidity
19-Jackal58
20-tnkted
24-Greymist

Jackal58 (1)
4-wherebugsgo
7-Nisani201
8-Sevryn
23-Greymist

Nisani201 (2)
5-Greymist
6-wherebugsgo
25-wherebugsgo
26-Jackal58

Forumite (2)
9-tnkted
10-Cyber_Cheese
13-Curu

Lucidity (0)
15-tnkted
16-Forumite
17-Greymist
21-wherebugsgo

Sevryn/Erandorr (0)
18-Jackal58

Cyber_Cheese (1)
22-Forumite
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tnkted
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1359 Posts
September 20 2011 13:07 GMT
#1057
Since all the items need to be together for the bulletproof, and mafia isn't likely to shoot someone who could be bulletproof, one of the below lines are true:

I gave jackal the items
I didn't give jackal the items, and I am lying for the wifom

I'll try to post the truth of what I did before the nightkills go through. Otherwise, if jackal would be kind enough to post something like "IF I got the items, I'm going to either use the bulletproof or protect tnkted"

What does the element of kindness do? Does it have a power? Are there two shards of it?
'I think "tnkted" may have justified this entire thread.' - Mjolnir
tnkted
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1359 Posts
September 20 2011 13:14 GMT
#1058
Assuming of course that jackal still trusts me enough to want to save me from a nightkilll, which I think he does considering I just made him a bulletproof medic.



Oh and to answer the questions about my roleblocking ability: It was a one-shot thing, I don't have it anymore (I have a couple of other one shot things and they're all pretty shitty), and I blocked forumite because he was the scummiest. Oh, BTW, the fact that he knew he was blox means that he tried to use an ability last night, which means he has an ability, which means he's either a blue like me or the mafia.
'I think "tnkted" may have justified this entire thread.' - Mjolnir
tnkted
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1359 Posts
September 20 2011 13:18 GMT
#1059
On September 20 2011 22:14 tnkted wrote:
Assuming of course that jackal still trusts me enough to want to save me from a nightkilll, which I think he does considering I just made him a bulletproof medic.

Or didn't!
'I think "tnkted" may have justified this entire thread.' - Mjolnir
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
September 20 2011 13:23 GMT
#1060
On September 20 2011 22:14 tnkted wrote:
Oh, BTW, the fact that he knew he was blox means that he tried to use an ability last night, which means he has an ability, which means he's either a blue like me or the mafia.

Or I just got a PM that I was roleblocked.

Anyway I think it was a waste, that roleblock would have been better for when Scum got a hold of an element to stop them from burning those powers.
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