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On September 19 2011 09:21 tnkted wrote:
Ugh that clears up a lot. Rereading thread.
FTR I'd rather not lynch jackal because he's the only other townie I feel 100% on
Unfortunately We don't know your alignment, so saying you feel he is 100% town doesn't mean much to us.
There are 3 senarios as I see it:
1) you are both green and everything you said is true
2) you are both red and performing the most epic gambit of all time
3) jackal is red and you are green, he is gambiting to make you believe he is green.
Of all the senarios I dont feel 3 is nearly as likely as the other 2, because jackal gave you his piece, as did WBG.
On that note you believe jackal because he gave you his piece, but you dont believe WBG even though he gave you his piece? maybe I'm missing something, enlighten me.
Anyway we need to confirm that #1 is definatly the senario we have here. the only way I can see to do that is to lynch jackal today. a DT check on him tonight would be unreliable because of the possiblity of insanity, framer, godfather, and whatever the hell else is lurking in ponyville that we dont know about.
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About an hour and a half left, with 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch. Dreamflower not voting. [/s]
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On September 19 2011 09:15 wherebugsgo wrote:
If I were scum I would've happily kept quiet about having a piece and I would've definitely never sent it to tnkted. That would just be suicide.
A piece does you no good, but if you could get me to send you the other piece, and at the same time get me killed, then it´s 3 town down and an element in Scum hands, in return for your life. Before I sent to tnkted, you were never forced to do the same, and with some persuasion, perhaps I would have sent mine to you without any fuzz. After that, you could have said you hadn´t gotten a piece, and I would have been lynched as a liar. If it wasn´t for Nisani, my breadcrumbs, and tnkted, that could have been a possibility.
I don´t have any proof that this would have happened, but it could have happened, if it was anyone else who didn´t breadcrumb or had a Cutie Mark Crusader buddy.
And no, I don´t think WBG is scum, just exploring the possibilities here. He could be scum, that´s what I wanted to check. Lucidity, arguing with him makes him look Town to me, despite pushing for WBG. He´s explained what he was up to, and his reasons are not scummy. If he´s scum, then it´s because he´s pushing on someone we want to have confirmed, not because of the way he´s pushing.
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Greymist, I think it was the other way around, tnkted gave his piece to Jackal.
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You are right, tntked gave his piece to Jackal who then gave the completed piece to tntked. This completely eliminates the 3rd possibility in my eyes, however the 1st and 2nd are still viable options.
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Jackals explanation. + Show Spoiler +On September 18 2011 03:28 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 03:06 Lucidity wrote:
If we lynch you and you do flip some kind of blue, that still leaves us with a "confirmed townie" that's only confirmed because you say so. What if what he "did" is some kind of mafia mechanic or risky/bad scum play. We'll have no way of assessing the merits of his confirmation. And if he is town scum can just kill him at night if we don't have a medic or if the medic derps around. My tail was twitching. This apparently means an object is about to fall on us. It did. Half to me. Half to Twinkles. Each half is useless by itself. We were allowed to PM each other. I suggested to tnkted we both keep our separate halves until we can identify a person as being confirmed town. Then pass them to him/her. He agreed. Later he feared he was about to die. So rather than have the item rng'ed he gave it to me. So now I have it in it's entirety. It is a single item now. If tnkted were scum he would have passed it to a scum buddy. No way would he have gave it to me. If I were scum tnkted would be dead right now so he couldn't talk about it. But that's not proof I'm not scum. That's WIFOM. My flip is proof I'm not scum. And tnkted is confirmed townie. No way in hell would scum give it up. And no I'm not telling what it does nor who currently has it.
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On September 19 2011 09:37 Forumite wrote:
Greymist, I think it was the other way around, tnkted gave his piece to Jackal.
He did. My original suggestion to tnkted was we both keep our pieces until we had a confirmed townie to give them to.
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On September 19 2011 09:39 GreYMisT wrote:
You are right, tntked gave his piece to Jackal who then gave the completed piece to tntked. This completely eliminates the 3rd possibility in my eyes, however the 1st and 2nd are still viable options.
While they might be both red, if they are that ballsy, but if we haven´t hit jackpot, killing one Town to confirm another feels counterproductive. We would probably end up with 2 dead Town today, that´s why I don´t like killing to confirm. It´s just lynching for information.
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On September 19 2011 09:39 GreYMisT wrote:
You are right, tntked gave his piece to Jackal who then gave the completed piece to tntked. This completely eliminates the 3rd possibility in my eyes, however the 1st and 2nd are still viable options.
If we were both scum you would know nothing about the item at all. I would have it and we'd be lynching tnkted today. Ya I'm a boss like that.
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On September 19 2011 09:46 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 09:39 GreYMisT wrote:
You are right, tntked gave his piece to Jackal who then gave the completed piece to tntked. This completely eliminates the 3rd possibility in my eyes, however the 1st and 2nd are still viable options. If we were both scum you would know nothing about the item at all. I would have it and we'd be lynching tnkted today. Ya I'm a boss like that.
Or tnkted would allready be dead by last nights nightkill.
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On September 19 2011 09:34 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 09:15 wherebugsgo wrote:
If I were scum I would've happily kept quiet about having a piece and I would've definitely never sent it to tnkted. That would just be suicide. A piece does you no good, but if you could get me to send you the other piece, and at the same time get me killed, then it´s 3 town down and an element in Scum hands, in return for your life. Before I sent to tnkted, you were never forced to do the same, and with some persuasion, perhaps I would have sent mine to you without any fuzz. After that, you could have said you hadn´t gotten a piece, and I would have been lynched as a liar. If it wasn´t for Nisani, my breadcrumbs, and tnkted, that could have been a possibility. I don´t have any proof that this would have happened, but it could have happened, if it was anyone else who didn´t breadcrumb or had a Cutie Mark Crusader buddy. And no, I don´t think WBG is scum, just exploring the possibilities here. He could be scum, that´s what I wanted to check. Lucidity, arguing with him makes him look Town to me, despite pushing for WBG. He´s explained what he was up to, and his reasons are not scummy. If he´s scum, then it´s because he´s pushing on someone we want to have confirmed, not because of the way he´s pushing.
You have no proof because I never had any sort of intention to do anything like that. Ever.
This is horrible, convoluted logic. The simplest explanation wins, and clearly this is not the simplest explanation, because if that's what I wanted to do I would've actually made signs that I wanted your piece.
I never asked for it. If I was scum I probably would've hinted that I would be a better recipient than tnkted, but I didn't do that, did I?
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On September 19 2011 09:50 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 09:46 Jackal58 wrote:On September 19 2011 09:39 GreYMisT wrote:
You are right, tntked gave his piece to Jackal who then gave the completed piece to tntked. This completely eliminates the 3rd possibility in my eyes, however the 1st and 2nd are still viable options. If we were both scum you would know nothing about the item at all. I would have it and we'd be lynching tnkted today. Ya I'm a boss like that. Or tnkted would allready be dead by last nights nightkill.
Misread your post, thought you meant if Jackal was scum and tnkted Town, then tnkted would have died yesterday. Nevermind.
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I'm uncomfortable with just assuming we have 2 confirmed townies, but I suppose you are right, we need to lynch for scum. option 1 (both being town) makes more sense with the explanation you linked of jackal's.
I still feel that Lucidity is our best lynch for day2, his day1 play set off some alarm bells in my head, and tntked you posted some analysis of him day1 as well.
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My outlook IMO.
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This is a conundrum. We could lynch Cyber_Cheese.
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Why would we want to lynch a lurker right now? You think he's more likely to be scum?
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Actually we can't. There's only 5 of us posting.
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On September 19 2011 09:50 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 09:34 Forumite wrote:On September 19 2011 09:15 wherebugsgo wrote:
If I were scum I would've happily kept quiet about having a piece and I would've definitely never sent it to tnkted. That would just be suicide. A piece does you no good, but if you could get me to send you the other piece, and at the same time get me killed, then it´s 3 town down and an element in Scum hands, in return for your life. Before I sent to tnkted, you were never forced to do the same, and with some persuasion, perhaps I would have sent mine to you without any fuzz. After that, you could have said you hadn´t gotten a piece, and I would have been lynched as a liar. If it wasn´t for Nisani, my breadcrumbs, and tnkted, that could have been a possibility. I don´t have any proof that this would have happened, but it could have happened, if it was anyone else who didn´t breadcrumb or had a Cutie Mark Crusader buddy. And no, I don´t think WBG is scum, just exploring the possibilities here. He could be scum, that´s what I wanted to check. Lucidity, arguing with him makes him look Town to me, despite pushing for WBG. He´s explained what he was up to, and his reasons are not scummy. If he´s scum, then it´s because he´s pushing on someone we want to have confirmed, not because of the way he´s pushing. You have no proof because I never had any sort of intention to do anything like that. Ever. This is horrible, convoluted logic. The simplest explanation wins, and clearly this is not the simplest explanation, because if that's what I wanted to do I would've actually made signs that I wanted your piece. I never asked for it. If I was scum I probably would've hinted that I would be a better recipient than tnkted, but I didn't do that, did I?
I´m not proving your guilt, just the possibility of guilt, and while it´s convoluted logic, it paints a logical train of thought both from a scum and town perspective. You didn´t have to tell me to give you my piece, it was always on the table, and always one of the ways to clear up the situation. I repeatedly asked you to make up your mind about giving your piece to me. You could have said that you didn´t trust me, that I should give you my piece. I was waiting for an answer, on if I would get the piece or if I should give mine away, because I felt a lynch coming on. Before Nisani vouched for me, there was enough pressure that I might have given you the piece just to keep it among living ponies. It could have worked, and that you didn´t say you wanted the piece doesn´t mean anything, because it was always the most likely outcome, thanks to your mistake with the PM.
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Let us not forget, when lucidity came under attack he began posting like a madman, attacking WBG, then attacking forumite when you pointed out the fact that WBG gave up his piece without knowing what it would be. He also attacked jackal around that time as well.
The trouble with today is I strongly believe that one or more of Cyber, Nisani, Sevryn, dream, and curu are scum. But unless we all want to go for a random lurker lynch we dont have enough to go on for any of them.
actually does anyone know why we stopped voting for nisani? things got chaotic a few pages back. did he have a piece or was it because he was in a PM circle?
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