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I know how to solve this mess of a day we have created.
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## Vote Jackal58
You said earlier that you are ok with us killing you to confirm the alignment of tntked. I feel that is nessesary now more than ever.
I forget the game, but we know that you have done crazy scum gambits before, like when you bussed jee jee day1ish. So far all analysis we have done today is WIFOM assuming that you and tntked are confirmed town. Looking back I now realize it is imperitave that we confirm tntked, the holder of the items.
Or has your opinion changed jackal? are you no longer ok with supplying us with a 500% confirmed town at your expense?
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On September 19 2011 08:55 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 08:51 GreYMisT wrote:
Wait a minute, why would you ask him to do it then if it wouldn't absolve him? He was reluctant to accept me as a possible holder, not wanting to give up his piece before leaving for a long while, only doing it after I gave up mine and thereby forced him to do the same. It might as well have been a scum gambit, with all the trouble we went through to get that piece.
So now my RL reason for leaving during the day is a reason for me being scum?
What kind of shit is this? Read your own argument dude, it's not making any sense.
I left because I needed to go eat and attend a Michael Moore event here in Berkeley last night (go google it if you don't believe me) After 4 hours I was back and the first thing I did was PM GMarshal to send the piece to tnkted.
I didn't even know you gave up yours BECAUSE I WAS GONE.
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On September 19 2011 08:54 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 08:51 Forumite wrote:On September 19 2011 08:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
and wtf
I'm now unsure about tnkted and Jackal too. If this is a scum gambit it's a fucking good one, cause tnkted is voting me when I fucking gave him a piece.
Are you stupid or are you scum? Lucidity explained all the points against you. Claiming you got your item N1 to conform with tnkted+Jackal, changing your mind once Nisani confirmed my claim on a D1 item, heavily pushing for Jackal to confess when you should have figured it out allready. If we ignore the fact that you gave up your piece, then you look more scummy than Lucidity. These are all false. My claim of n1 was a mistake. I actually came out and said that myself (why would I do that as scum? I could've just kept quiet about it, it wouldn't have made a difference.) You guys are trying to use the N1 claim to label me as mafia when that's blatantly false. I never suspected you, Forumite. If I'd suspected you I would've voted you.
It is probably a mistake, but at the time it made me look bad, and it took until Nisani vouched for me before you rechecked, before then I was risking a lynch. It doesn´t matter if it was a mistake or not, what happened fit what a scum would do in order to get me lynched, or maybe trick me into sending you my piece before then. We can´t verify the truth behind it, and it looks bad.
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United States22154 Posts
Cut the cussing. This game is about magical ponies, rainbows and fluffy clouds of cotton candy that rain chocolate milk. No need to curse or flame.
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On September 19 2011 08:55 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 08:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
and wtf
I'm now unsure about tnkted and Jackal too. If this is a scum gambit it's a fucking good one, cause tnkted is voting me when I fucking gave him a piece.
Are you stupid or are you scum? Would you please refrain from this? If I want to listen to somebody call others stupid all night I'll go watch tv with my wife.
yeah it's a little frustrating when no one listens to reason. I apologize.
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On September 19 2011 08:58 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 08:54 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 19 2011 08:51 Forumite wrote:On September 19 2011 08:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
and wtf
I'm now unsure about tnkted and Jackal too. If this is a scum gambit it's a fucking good one, cause tnkted is voting me when I fucking gave him a piece.
Are you stupid or are you scum? Lucidity explained all the points against you. Claiming you got your item N1 to conform with tnkted+Jackal, changing your mind once Nisani confirmed my claim on a D1 item, heavily pushing for Jackal to confess when you should have figured it out allready. If we ignore the fact that you gave up your piece, then you look more scummy than Lucidity. These are all false. My claim of n1 was a mistake. I actually came out and said that myself (why would I do that as scum? I could've just kept quiet about it, it wouldn't have made a difference.) You guys are trying to use the N1 claim to label me as mafia when that's blatantly false. I never suspected you, Forumite. If I'd suspected you I would've voted you. It is probably a mistake, but at the time it made me look bad, and it took until Nisani vouched for me before you rechecked, before then I was risking a lynch. It doesn´t matter if it was a mistake or not, what happened fit what a scum would do in order to get me lynched, or maybe trick me into sending you my piece before then. We can´t verify the truth behind it, and it looks bad.
So I'm scum because I made you look bad?
Lol.
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On September 19 2011 08:57 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 08:55 Forumite wrote:On September 19 2011 08:51 GreYMisT wrote:
Wait a minute, why would you ask him to do it then if it wouldn't absolve him? He was reluctant to accept me as a possible holder, not wanting to give up his piece before leaving for a long while, only doing it after I gave up mine and thereby forced him to do the same. It might as well have been a scum gambit, with all the trouble we went through to get that piece. So now my RL reason for leaving during the day is a reason for me being scum? What kind of shit is this? Read your own argument dude, it's not making any sense. I left because I needed to go eat and attend a Michael Moore event here in Berkeley last night (go google it if you don't believe me) After 4 hours I was back and the first thing I did was PM GMarshal to send the piece to tnkted. I didn't even know you gave up yours BECAUSE I WAS GONE.
I tried to resolve the issue before you had to go, I even suggested sending to Jackal. Waiting would just delay needlessly, and cut 4 hours out of that day, because we focused on the elements and the holders instead of scumhunting. It´s not that you went away that looks bad, but that you stalled until you had to go.
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On September 19 2011 08:59 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 08:58 Forumite wrote:On September 19 2011 08:54 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 19 2011 08:51 Forumite wrote:On September 19 2011 08:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
and wtf
I'm now unsure about tnkted and Jackal too. If this is a scum gambit it's a fucking good one, cause tnkted is voting me when I fucking gave him a piece.
Are you stupid or are you scum? Lucidity explained all the points against you. Claiming you got your item N1 to conform with tnkted+Jackal, changing your mind once Nisani confirmed my claim on a D1 item, heavily pushing for Jackal to confess when you should have figured it out allready. If we ignore the fact that you gave up your piece, then you look more scummy than Lucidity. These are all false. My claim of n1 was a mistake. I actually came out and said that myself (why would I do that as scum? I could've just kept quiet about it, it wouldn't have made a difference.) You guys are trying to use the N1 claim to label me as mafia when that's blatantly false. I never suspected you, Forumite. If I'd suspected you I would've voted you. It is probably a mistake, but at the time it made me look bad, and it took until Nisani vouched for me before you rechecked, before then I was risking a lynch. It doesn´t matter if it was a mistake or not, what happened fit what a scum would do in order to get me lynched, or maybe trick me into sending you my piece before then. We can´t verify the truth behind it, and it looks bad. So I'm scum because I made you look bad? Lol.
If you were scum, then it would have been a good way to get an element for Scum, lynch a Townie, at worst at the cost of your life the day after.
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On September 19 2011 09:01 GreYMisT wrote:
When does the day end?
I think in 2 hours.
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What do you guys feel about my plan on the top of the page (43)? I think its the only way we can clear up the events of the day.
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On September 19 2011 08:57 GreYMisT wrote:
I know how to solve this mess of a day we have created.
## Unvote
## Vote Jackal58
You said earlier that you are ok with us killing you to confirm the alignment of tntked. I feel that is nessesary now more than ever.
I forget the game, but we know that you have done crazy scum gambits before, like when you bussed jee jee day1ish. So far all analysis we have done today is WIFOM assuming that you and tntked are confirmed town. Looking back I now realize it is imperitave that we confirm tntked, the holder of the items.
Or has your opinion changed jackal? are you no longer ok with supplying us with a 500% confirmed town at your expense?
Nope. Have not changed a thing. If my lynch helps to secure a town victory I'm all for it.
Of Forumite, WBG, and Lucidity at least 1 is definitely scum if not 2 of them. I personally see it as most likely 1 atm. If WBG flips town I don't know yet which of the other two is going to flip scum but one of them will.
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On September 19 2011 09:02 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 08:57 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 19 2011 08:55 Forumite wrote:On September 19 2011 08:51 GreYMisT wrote:
Wait a minute, why would you ask him to do it then if it wouldn't absolve him? He was reluctant to accept me as a possible holder, not wanting to give up his piece before leaving for a long while, only doing it after I gave up mine and thereby forced him to do the same. It might as well have been a scum gambit, with all the trouble we went through to get that piece. So now my RL reason for leaving during the day is a reason for me being scum? What kind of shit is this? Read your own argument dude, it's not making any sense. I left because I needed to go eat and attend a Michael Moore event here in Berkeley last night (go google it if you don't believe me) After 4 hours I was back and the first thing I did was PM GMarshal to send the piece to tnkted. I didn't even know you gave up yours BECAUSE I WAS GONE. I tried to resolve the issue before you had to go, I even suggested sending to Jackal. Waiting would just delay needlessly, and cut 4 hours out of that day, because we focused on the elements and the holders instead of scumhunting. It´s not that you went away that looks bad, but that you stalled until you had to go.
I didn't stall. I was thinking about whether to give the piece to you, or to tnkted.
I was debating whether or not tnkted and Jackal were gambiting as scum to get the pieces. If they were scumbuddies and gambitting to get the pieces it would make sense for them to confirm each other (and the timing of it also makes sense)
Think about this: why would tnkted send Jackal his piece? He was never in danger of dying at the time it came about. I was pushing real hard for his lynch the next day, if he was worried about being lynched he could have sent the piece later. The timing of it was very weird to me.
Then, ofc, at first I didn't understand the claim. I didn't really know how Jackal could confirm tnkted (and vice versa). I didn't think about PM circles. I didn't think about the pieces, until I had made several prods and it was apparent that they were trying to gather them together.
So then, I breadcrumbed that I had the piece of honesty to see whether or not they would recognize I understood without me having to blurt it out. That obviously didn't work because Jackal and Lucidity (IIRC) still suspected me. Nisani at the time was my #2 lynch target. Now I'm unsure of him for obvious reasons. So, since I didn't want town to waste time trying to get me lynched I just came out and said that I have the piece of honesty, as it appeared clear to me that no one was going to understand my breadcrumb.
Then you guys tell me to do something with it but not tell anyone. Okay, that's fine. Then, do I send it to Forumite, or do I send it to tnkted? I was wondering which would be the better idea. I hadn't really figured out which would be the better choice by the time I left, and I was running late, so I left.
That's pretty much it. When I got back I figured that, since I believed Jackal's and tnkted's claims I'd send the piece to tnkted, so I did that. I also posted a clarification that I had actually received the piece at some point on day 1, not night 1 as I erroneously claimed. I didn't even think that was a big of a deal, because it had no bearing on anything. I just said it because I had made a mistake. No one would've been able to tell even if I had just kept quiet about it, but it's better to be honest as town than lie.
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On September 19 2011 09:10 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 08:57 GreYMisT wrote:
I know how to solve this mess of a day we have created.
## Unvote
## Vote Jackal58
You said earlier that you are ok with us killing you to confirm the alignment of tntked. I feel that is nessesary now more than ever.
I forget the game, but we know that you have done crazy scum gambits before, like when you bussed jee jee day1ish. So far all analysis we have done today is WIFOM assuming that you and tntked are confirmed town. Looking back I now realize it is imperitave that we confirm tntked, the holder of the items.
Or has your opinion changed jackal? are you no longer ok with supplying us with a 500% confirmed town at your expense? Nope. Have not changed a thing. If my lynch helps to secure a town victory I'm all for it. Of Forumite, WBG, and Lucidity at least 1 is definitely scum if not 2 of them. I personally see it as most likely 1 atm. If WBG flips town I don't know yet which of the other two is going to flip scum but one of them will.
Alright, and I agree with your assessment ON Forumite, WBG and lucidity.
To clarify things for everyone, This was not a pressure vote to see if jackal would change his opinion, but I glad to see he hasn't. I actually think we cannot move forward in this game at all without confirming tntked.
We need to see Jackal flip in order to make sense of anything at all that has happened today, our own feelings about his alignment aside.
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On September 19 2011 09:04 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 08:59 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 19 2011 08:58 Forumite wrote:On September 19 2011 08:54 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 19 2011 08:51 Forumite wrote:On September 19 2011 08:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
and wtf
I'm now unsure about tnkted and Jackal too. If this is a scum gambit it's a fucking good one, cause tnkted is voting me when I fucking gave him a piece.
Are you stupid or are you scum? Lucidity explained all the points against you. Claiming you got your item N1 to conform with tnkted+Jackal, changing your mind once Nisani confirmed my claim on a D1 item, heavily pushing for Jackal to confess when you should have figured it out allready. If we ignore the fact that you gave up your piece, then you look more scummy than Lucidity. These are all false. My claim of n1 was a mistake. I actually came out and said that myself (why would I do that as scum? I could've just kept quiet about it, it wouldn't have made a difference.) You guys are trying to use the N1 claim to label me as mafia when that's blatantly false. I never suspected you, Forumite. If I'd suspected you I would've voted you. It is probably a mistake, but at the time it made me look bad, and it took until Nisani vouched for me before you rechecked, before then I was risking a lynch. It doesn´t matter if it was a mistake or not, what happened fit what a scum would do in order to get me lynched, or maybe trick me into sending you my piece before then. We can´t verify the truth behind it, and it looks bad. So I'm scum because I made you look bad? Lol. If you were scum, then it would have been a good way to get an element for Scum, lynch a Townie, at worst at the cost of your life the day after.
What are you talking about?
If I were scum why the hell would I ever let go of the piece, let alone claim that I had one? Claiming to have it alone is a stupid idea as scum, because that draws a ton of attention. The consolidation of the pieces is something that is important for town.
If I were scum I would've happily kept quiet about having a piece and I would've definitely never sent it to tnkted. That would just be suicide.
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United States1359 Posts
Ugh that clears up a lot. Rereading thread.
FTR I'd rather not lynch jackal because he's the only other townie I feel 100% on
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WBG, it´s just that there are so many timings that are weird with your timings, they don´t make you scum, but they fit a scum pattern, which is the problem.
On September 19 2011 09:10 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 08:57 GreYMisT wrote:
I know how to solve this mess of a day we have created.
## Unvote
## Vote Jackal58
You said earlier that you are ok with us killing you to confirm the alignment of tntked. I feel that is nessesary now more than ever.
I forget the game, but we know that you have done crazy scum gambits before, like when you bussed jee jee day1ish. So far all analysis we have done today is WIFOM assuming that you and tntked are confirmed town. Looking back I now realize it is imperitave that we confirm tntked, the holder of the items.
Or has your opinion changed jackal? are you no longer ok with supplying us with a 500% confirmed town at your expense? Nope. Have not changed a thing. If my lynch helps to secure a town victory I'm all for it. Of Forumite, WBG, and Lucidity at least 1 is definitely scum if not 2 of them. I personally see it as most likely 1 atm. If WBG flips town I don't know yet which of the other two is going to flip scum but one of them will.
What does Lucidity have to do with the ones confirming elements?
Killing off Town to confirm is a bad idea IMO. Ignoring any doctor-abilities of the elements, if we kill a Town to confirm another, then that one will just get shot down tonight, and we´re 2 Town down, just like yesterday. As there are several Town who have handled the elements, there are plenty of targets for Scum to kill, and we can´t save them all.
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United States1359 Posts
Forumite, do you think WBG is scum? You've been kind of soft-pressuring him lately.
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IMO we need to lynch Lucidity. He's been pushing real hard for my lynch and has been grasping at straws to make me look scummy. His posting just doesn't add up from a pro town standpoint either.
ATM I'm unsure on tnkted/Jackal and I don't think they'd make good lynches. Forumite is giving me town vibes and I still feel like Nisani could be scum. Nisani "confirmed" Forumite but I really don't believe he's done anything else all game. It'd be pretty dumb to assume he's town just because of that one thing he's done.
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United States1359 Posts
Can we get another votecount? I'm reaaaally paranoid about our changes for nolynch.
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