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For being always wrong. | ||
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Lynching you early is optimal so you don't distract me. | ||
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I don't think iGrok is scum, he wouldn't drag all this attention by opening up with a policy post on killing the smurf. I don't know about GGQ, the rest are just derp votes. | ||
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On September 09 2011 05:52 wherebugsgo wrote: Can you explain? What do you think about Curu? I already explained that I feel iGrok's posting is too unrestricted and impulsive for him to be scum, I don't think there is actually a case against him. Curu is just derping around, I'll let you know if he's scum. If he doesn't apply any logic and refuses to listen to reason we'll hang him. He has a very transparent scum play once you realize how good his town play generally is. | ||
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On September 09 2011 06:20 Mig wrote: Palmar how is iGrok opening the game with a planned vote on BA impulsive? The iGrok defense doesn't make sense. All he did was put a vote on the smurf basically stating it is nothing and just a pressure vote. So how exactly is that putting himself out there? Also I don't know why you guys are even defending him in the first place. Did you roll scum again? Just explain to me, if you were scum, what's the mentality behind doing exactly what iGrok is doing? Why would any scum ever do what he did? He's drawing attention to himself, he's putting his neck out there with an opinion. I'd much rather look at people who are trying to skirt by with little posting and just calling out people for policies. iGrok is a bad lynch, that's an opinion, you say I don't explain it enough, that's not actually an opinion on me being scum, it's a policy. If I wrote an analysis would I cease to be scummy? You're actually playing right to your scum meta of looking for "scumtells" and trying to lynch people on them instead of thinking about it. Mig is probably our best lynch tonight, he's not this bad as town. Pushing bad lynches is mig's favourite shit to do as scum. Remember this if you have a gun tonight. I'll be voting Mig. ##Vote Mig I'm gonna re-read ggq's posts, iGrok is almost definitely town, so if it comes to it I'll rather support a ggq lynch | ||
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But he usually doesn't lurk and one-line this hard as town. There is another thing that I'm leaning town on Bumatlarge too, so his vote on Bum makes no sense to me, I think I'm down with lynching TAA yeah. I actually like him better than GGQ, and iGrok is almost definitely not scum. let's do it. ##Unvote Mig ##Vote TheAwesomeAll | ||
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On September 09 2011 09:19 Mig wrote: Palmar you have spent practically all your time this game defending igrok instead of doing any actual scum hunting, which is extremely unlike you. Your initial reason for voting chaos was ridiculous and nonsensical. You said GGQ was a good lynch but once someone asked you why you completely ignored them, probably because you didn't actually have any reason behind it. Now you are voting me based on what exactly? Because I pointed out all the inconsistencies in your play? I'm voting you because you're not using your head this game, I've actually switched to your buddy, but really, you're trying to defend a lynch you KNOW is bad, what the fuck? I said GGQ was less bad a lynch, but that's because iGrok has like ~5% chance of flipping scum. But I'm fine with killing you, or TAA. Who cares about inconsistencies, you're trying to enforce policy lynching which is basically pushing mafia objectives because it indirectly gives anyone who accepts those policies a free pass. Recent example is BB's day one play in XLIV. In that game too you kept pushing bad lynches based on people being "scummy". | ||
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don't fucking kill iGrok you derps. | ||
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Whatever, not gonna argue with scum. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + aka Mig | ||
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iGrok was pretty obvious town. | ||
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I don't agree with any case on Bumatlarge, I think I've gotten a grasp on how he plays town and how he plays scum, this is almost purely based on his day 1 posting, I'm pretty sure scumatlarge doesn't play like he did on day one, so let's rule him out. Curu is almost definitely town, thing about people going emotional is that it makes it very easy to pick out actual frustrated town, and scum trying to blend in with that atmosphere, something I'll come back to later. The only problem with Curu as town is that his reads are below his standards, but his posting is way too natural and unrestricted for him to possibly be scum. the smurf is town too. The shot was just terrible, but the intents behind it seem genuine enough. He also seems to be putting in the effort to actually scumhunt. The shot was really fucking dumb, but I'd still defend this guy at the moment. And Sinani206 is using the I-don't-give-a-shit attitude he sometimes dons when he plays terribly. It's terrible, but it's TOWN. I can't believe this guy is even up for lynching today, he got deflected on after WBG scumslipped like a boss faster than lightning, what the hell guys? Zona is probably town, claims a shot. No idea why she would play a veteran like that, hasn't stuck her neck out at all this game. It's just a weird style overall, her attack on Bum is just... derp. It's a bad lynch and it's never going to fly. I can't really say I have reads on Jackal/Chaos13. Jackal doesn't post anything useful at all, which is consistent with his scum and town meta. chaos13 looks shadier. xtf is just pushing bad lynches, but I don't know if it's bad or scum. GGQ is kinda scummy too, but I really don't know, I think I'm fairly convinced on three people, and GGQ, Jackal, Chaos13 and xtf, could all fill that fourth spot. Those three people are Mig: Pushing scum agenda day 1, flat out lying about my style of play. He's been wrong time and time again and he's again fucking wrong with sinani206. Seriously HOW FUCKING FAST did that shit get deflected away from his partner - - Wherebugsgo: He's basically mirroring what Curu has to say, because you'know, if townies can go raging, scum can do it too and look very green! Also did I mention that he just told us the mafia has 2kp, which basically confirms Zona's claim and also confirms him as mafia. like it's not even done there, he has jumped two shitty town wagons today, on sinani206 and bumatlarge, based on nothing. I have a town read on both of those which makes it basically malicious derp play from wbg. I can't believe these guys managed to talk you out of lynching him, but it's fine, since some of town seems to have gotten a decent read too. on his partner Sandroba. Just read Bayonet's analysis. Sandroba doesn't just fucking disappear during day2, he likes to break games. On day one Sandroba just followed along with whatever town was doing instead of being the stubborn asshole he tends to be as town, which is basically ringing alarm bells in my head. ##Vote Sandroba | ||
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and since I've not yet seen you play terrible, I'm going with scummy. | ||
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derp derp. Let's hang a bro and shoot a bug. | ||
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Seriously, stop the ridiculousness. This game is as close as solved right now, just shoot into this list and lynch into it too: Mig, WBG, chaos13, GGQ. I think Sandroba's shit is ok, only thing that really bothers me is his xtf vote which is imo based on nothing, but I don't know. xtf has been lurking hardcore this game. In case I'm yet fucking again wrong about chaos13, maybe xtf should be shot. Zona is almost definitely town, Bumatlarge IS TOWN YOU MORONS. Jackal has a tiny chance of being scum, just because he cannot be read, but I'm leaning town now. The smurf is some baddie town and I think Curu is definitely town. Stop being idiots, shoot those people. | ||
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yeah, what the hell man. | ||
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A medic protecting a target will be notified that they stopped a hit. The target will also be notified that they survived a hit. I think it's okay I paste that, seeing as it's just rules stuff. | ||
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just this night you have accused me on being scum on the following reasons: 1. being confident in my reads 2. asking the host about rules meh, I can't convince scum. and the rest of the scumteam (sandroba, mig, chaos? xtf?) are hiding! | ||
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You're a dick Ace. | ||
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a) wbg got framed b) someone bussed someone c) I'm insane So this means bum could just as well be scum as anyone else, because there is apparently some mindfuck mechanic in this game. | ||
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On September 13 2011 13:24 BayonnetAnderson wrote: I survived a hit last night and was roleblocked. Judging by this WBG protected you tonight, and likely protected Zona last night. | ||
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The rest of you we need everyone to claim. | ||
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I think Sandroba should be our lynch today, he's repeatedly promised to deliver and lurked, but he's done nothing that makes me even remotely consider the possibility of him being town. I'm not gonna vote until we get discussion though, if I vote and jackal is town and for some reason we're wrong, then mafia can hammer it. So hold your votes until we're sure what we wanna do. | ||
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Everyone should claim, what good would it do me to claim after the lynch? if the lynch is incorrect we're dead anyway? We're not playing some kind of a long-term game here now, we need to get it right today, what little information I have needs to be out there, same goes for the rest of you. I check people who are likely to stay alive (ie: not be shot by either mafia or vigis) and are hard to read or I have little experience with. And of course my checks don't match my posts, why would I bother analysing people I'm about to get an alignment check on? fuck it, you're probably scum. | ||
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On September 14 2011 00:21 xtfftc wrote: He kept on defending Bum during Day 1 and checked him afterwards. Oh nice, bonus points for lying, I said once that I was leaning town on Bum on day 1. That's not "keeping on defending" I did that day 2, and for a good damn reason... | ||
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On September 14 2011 01:18 sandroba wrote: I'm towny. Okay this claim possibly means 3 things: 1) Palmar is scum and Bum town. Makes some sense. 2) Bum is scum and Palmar is town. The odds of mafia framing wbg the night they shot him are simply ridiculous. That means Palmar is insane if really a DT. Palmar has to know this and if he was town he would be pushing for bum like a crazy man today, not suddenly deciding to go after me after he said yesterday he believed me. Doesn't make a lot of sense. Palmar just has no reason to assume bum got framed night one. Also not knowing about his sanity in the first place he would not be yelling bum is town before he confirmed it. 3) Both are scum. This makes the most sense, because palmar is not going after bum, which would make his story the most believable. 4)Both are town. For this to happen Bum needs to have been framed night one and palmar has to be behaving like an idiot as a DT. He keeps yelling Bum is town for no reason and somehow mafia doesn't pick up on this and shoot him. Not likely at all. your point no 4 is just plain wrong. you guys didn't shoot me because people suspect me. For 4 to happen Bum doesn't need to have been framed, all it takes is wbg being framed on day 2, and me actually being sane, that's the explanation I'd go with. But thanks, now you've just confirmed you're not using logic this game, you're scum. And why would I not defend a person who I have an innocent check on, it's only after I got the false check on wbg that I started doubting my sanity or the possibility of framers. | ||
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I think Jackal's claim is legit, re-reading to see if he's town or scum, if he's town we lynch bum. | ||
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On September 14 2011 02:12 sandroba wrote: What do you say about my analysis of there being no roleblockers? Do you still think 2 cops is plausible? Man this is a fucking 16 man game!!! No way there are 2 cops. Also palmar is making no sense and thus is scum. Since I find it hard to believe you would claim cop as scum AFTER Palmar just claimed cop, I'm going to tentatively believe your claim. Why did you check those guys and you never checked me though? I've been thouroughly discussed since night one. two gimp cops, the only medic in the game yet also roleblocks whoever he protects, so that works like a roleblocker anyway. you're crazy. @Jackal, why didn't you claim your result right away? You had information and we're in lylo. | ||
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cba with arguing with you right now, I'll come back later when more town | ||
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On September 14 2011 02:57 sandroba wrote: Man please, just look at what palmar just said. He says that the most reasonable explanation is that he is sane and wbg got framed and shot. Palmar is not an idiot. He obviously has some agenda behind this and is scum. There is no way around it. That is undeniable proof he is scum. Can we please just lynch him. I'll let you guys lynch me if you want when we are no longer at lylo to clear things up if you guys really insist (meaning we must hit scum today and the next). obviously that no longer applies now that Zona claimed the shot on BA and jackal claimed a conflicting result to mine. Why the the hell would I not just claim to have a fucking guilty on a townie instead of doing this ridiculousness that didn't do jack shit if I was fake-claiming as scum. Thankfully Jackal's claims match up with mine, so we actually have something to work with. At the moment it's most likely I'm an insane cop and Bum is scum. The wbg thing no longer applies now that we know he likely got shot by scum (and thus wasn't framed) and jackal has a conflicting result to mine (and thus I must be insane). Stop saying ridiculous things. | ||
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##Vote Bumatlarge | ||
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On September 15 2011 01:09 Zona wrote: Also, to our cops, I'm guessing neither of you breadcrumbed your investigations? ...Since you didn't mention anything when you made your claims. I think me completely disregarding any case on bumatlarge yesterday was a good enough breadcrumb. You even specifically asked if I had any other reason to believe he was town, and I chose not to answer that question, as I did not want to claim at that point. It's not until I got the incorrect check on WBG that I decided to actually claim, because it was clearly a wrong result. Then Jackal claimed his result of WBG being the same alignment as me, so WBG cannot have been framed, as Jackal and I would not get conflicting result. So that basically leaves me being an insane cop, thus my innocent result on Bum is actually a guilty result. | ||
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Why the fuck would I risk pulling a ridiculous fake-claim that I know is wrong out of my ass as mafia? Why not just say "guys I checked x, he's scum". but whatever, maybe you're not terrible, just scum. | ||
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bleh, sorry for playing under my usual standards, first game as cop, and thanks to Ace, an insane one at that. | ||
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the smurf is scum, so are sandroba and bum. Can't tell if xtf/ggq are bad or scum. I actually think, or well, thought that the best way to play a cop is to investigate targets that are either very hard to read (jackal, bum, chaos13) and or very unlikely to be shot by either side (not super scummy like mig and sandroba, although mig seems to be coming around... and not awesome scum-hunters... like no one has been this game). The theory is that checks are worth the most (and hardest to fake) if they are on people who are still living. I decided to just write bum off as a null-tell on day one, and check him, because he was taking interest in the game, I got an innocent check back, which obviously is bogus now, that's why I hardcore defended him day 2. I made a mistake though, never played a cop before, I actually said there was 100% chance of WBG flipping scum, which was terrible, i was just in a really bad mood at the time because he was being thick and bad, so bad that I figured the only explanation was that he was scum. It's another reason to claim this daybreak (I wanted to claim just before it in case I got shot, but it's 3am my time... so... no thanks). that 100% claim was done in frustration and any town would have regarded it as a breadcrumb, so yeah... I need to be careful with what I say as a cop I went back on my own theories too and played my cards too close to my chest this game too, I have said there is no reason to play differently if you're blue, but I still did it, mostly because I've been killed early in a few recent games. I guess it's still a bad idea. But yeah, makes perfect sense really, the smurf desperately needed town cred after shooting someone who was pretty obvious town, so he accuses his buddies. But when the deal actually goes down he pulls a 180 to make sure the mislynch goes through, as it doesn't even fucking matter because if I get killed it'll be 5v4, and they win during the night, unless we either have another medic, or some imba power role. So yeah, sorry about this mess. nighty | ||
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I don't even know what I am anymore. | ||
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Don't really understand what's going on. | ||
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only thing is that I got bussed somewhere else or something, how does that work? | ||
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I just... don't even know. | ||
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and I got bussed with jackal, who thus visited bum and died, I however likely got randomly put to someone else and got a red check. | ||
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I'm just trying to figure this thing out. | ||
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Kingmaker scenarios are stupid, we get to pick/guess if we want the sk or scum to win the game. Can I just suggest a three-way tie? | ||
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how unclear is this it's 3-2-1 if mafia gets lynched and it's 3-1-1 mafia and sk shoot townies, and the last townie becomes a kingmaker, even if they stack it'll be 2-1-1 and still town is kingmakers, if sk gets lynched it'll be 3-2, tomorrow 2-2 and mafia wins town cannot win, but we get to pick if the mafia/sk wins, which is a stupid situation, so I'm actually suggesting just calling it a gg. It was fun | ||
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I don't even... you're wrong mig. if you lynch me, 2 more town will die tonight, and sandroba, stop being an idiot you're probably fucking around by now, but trust me, mafia actually does have a confirmed townie target to shoot, ie: we won't accidentally shoot the sk. so, there is no fucking chance that mafia will mis shoot, and the best possible situation for town is that the sk is a complete retard and shoots mafia, so it's 2 town v 1 sk. But if the sk is smart, he'll either shoot town or hold his shot so it'll be 1 town, 1 sk, 1 mafia. I'm calling it a gg, if the sk doesn't agree I think we should lynch him and then call it gg. | ||
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##gg | ||
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##Vote Sandroba | ||
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And the claim was intentionally terrible, I just wanted to see if I could get away with it. | ||
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