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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
On September 08 2011 12:19 wherebugsgo wrote: Oh sheet iGrok: "I vote this guy for random reason X" bunch of other people: "I vote this other guy for random other reason y/z/a/b/c" sandroba: "iGrok why you so scummy why you gotta start shit bro" iGrok: "I not scummy just look at this guy and this guy they started it! don't blame me bro its their fault" sandroba: " ![[image loading]](http://cdn3.knowyourmeme.com/i/000/089/080/original/Picture%2031.png) "me: Wtf this guy's scum. He's dodging "responsibility" on a supposed random vote. If it was a random vote and you didn't start the shitfest then why you so dodgy, iBro? Why you gotta shift the blame to other people instead of manning up and defending your actions? We aren't responsible for you! ##unvote bumatlarge ##vote iGrok  | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
With 16 alive, it is 9 to lynch Bayonnete Anderson(1) - iGrok wherebugsgo(1) - sinani206 sinani206(1) - xtfftc chaos13(1) - Palmar GGQ(3) - Curu, JeeJee, bumatlarge xtfftc(1) - TheAwesomeAll iGrok(1) - wherebugsgo Day 1 deadline is 12:00AM ET Friday night aka 18 hours from this post. A word on modkills in case some of you aren't familiar with my games: You are required to vote and post at least once per 24 hours. The first time you fail to do so is a warning. The second time is a modkill or replacement out of the game. With that said people who are not posting and it's only Day 1 are on thin ice  | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
I don't think iGrok is scum, he wouldn't drag all this attention by opening up with a policy post on killing the smurf. I don't know about GGQ, the rest are just derp votes. | ||
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
On September 08 2011 19:06 Palmar wrote: Actually, I still like chaos13 as scum. I don't think iGrok is scum, he wouldn't drag all this attention by opening up with a policy post on killing the smurf. I don't know about GGQ, the rest are just derp votes. Hi Palmar. In case I don't get the time to place my vote after work today ##Vote GGQ | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On September 08 2011 20:34 chaos13 wrote: Hi Palmar. In case I don't get the time to place my vote after work today ##Vote GGQ Would you please explain? I've just reread everything GGQ has posted and there is nothing there. You and Jee Jee are tag teaming him. And no I'm not defending GGQ. I'm calling you out for a vote that makes no sense to me. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On September 08 2011 22:44 Palmar wrote: Why do you feel the need to specifically state that you're not defending him? It's not scummy to ask for reasoning behind votes, and it's not scummy opposing bad lynches. If you don't think chaos13's case is good, then that's fine, but why so... defensive about it? Because he accused me of it on the previous page. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On September 08 2011 22:44 Palmar wrote: Why do you feel the need to specifically state that you're not defending him? It's not scummy to ask for reasoning behind votes, and it's not scummy opposing bad lynches. If you don't think chaos13's case is good, then that's fine, but why so... defensive about it? Here's the exchange. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11283118 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11283225 | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
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GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
Aside from them, I really want to hear more from TheAwesomeAll and sinani. Both of them got their post/vote requirement out of the way asap and haven't said anything since. Penny for your thoughts, guys. | ||
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BayonnetAnderson
United States60 Posts
iGrok Ah, random voting, the most useless way to possibly kick a game off. Arguing about lurkers is better than this. Seriously, does anyone feel threatened at all with 1/9 votes? Any risk of death? Now, iGrok, lets talk about him shall we On September 08 2011 02:59 iGrok wrote: I consider that a valid reason to vote. With no setup knowledge other than my own role, I'm a little on edge anyways. This jumps out at me, this is so... unnecessarily defensive, I don't think I've ever been "on edge" when rolling town. I mean as town I don't really care that much if I die or if a couple of idiots vote for me, its almost par for the course. I generally don't even acknowledge the first votes thrown at me, nor do most town, as we know we are innocent. We certainly have nothing to fear, why then is iGrok scared and on edge? What motivation is there for this "edginess", from a town perspective? None, at least none that I can see. Lets compare this "edginess" with what iGrok usually does as town. From XLIV, his first post upon replacing On August 25 2011 10:19 iGrok wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/4JR0G.png) Doesn't seem that on edge to me, no real nervousnessor attempts at justification, just "this is what I think, deal with it!" There is not "oh no, I better avoid people tunneling me, what are people going to think of me" namely there is not fear no emotional undercurrent that suggests iGrok might be hiding something, even though there is a bit of doubt its not the prominent part of the post, its not dominating it, unlike the majority of his posts here. This post right here gives a similar emotional vibe to the first quote I posted, namely fear and discomfort On September 08 2011 11:20 iGrok wrote: This is trying hard to justify it? Look, if you want to tunnel someone, that's fine. Just pick someone else to fight with. Can no one else smell the tinge of fear from this post? Note that this desire to avoid the spotlight, this deep fear isn't present in his play as town in mafia XLIV, where he was not at all afraid to be a nexus of attention. Notice he *really* doesn't want to be tunneled, he wants to be away from the spotlight Compare the above "oh don't tunnel me" to iGrok's response to being called scum by wherebugsgo in XLIV On August 27 2011 13:26 iGrok wrote: @WBG: You still think I'm mafia? After I started the vote for Mig, shot down attempts to split votes between Mig and BB, and... well I haven't told you why Kurumi is scum yet. I've got to think about when to release that, I'm not sure if it'd be better far in advance or right before daypost. Notice the absolute lack of fear in fact there is a bit of arrogance in the post, that is the attitude of a town player. Fear and anger are what I see in iGrok's posts so far this game, not a tinge of arrogance or that "deal with it" tone from mafia XLIV. Its interesting that iGrok apparently notices this change (probably informed by his team) and drops back to an arrogant tone with things like On September 08 2011 11:21 iGrok wrote: Oh, and I'll give my opinions on people when I'm damn well ready. Which is a magnificent change, but far too late, and still out of character. The major sticking point of this in my mind is that while iGrok was arrogant in XLIV, his arrogance was always *useful*, while he did post with some arrogance and willfulness it was never stuff like "we'll I don't feel like helping right now", generally he didn't shut down avenues of conversation like this, arrogance was also one of his major sticking points in mafia XL, where he was the mafia godfather, and he took an "everyone but me sucks" approach to the game, which got him lynched day 2, this looks like a lapse into similar behavior. What motivation does a townie have for refusing to give his reads? This evidence is pretty damning. iGrok's fear and doubt have become his undoing, iGrok is almost certainly scum. ##Vote: iGrok + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/iCJXN.gif) | ||
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BayonnetAnderson
United States60 Posts
Let his days be few; and let another take his office Amen | ||
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BayonnetAnderson
United States60 Posts
On September 08 2011 19:06 Palmar wrote: Actually, I still like chaos13 as scum. I don't think iGrok is scum, he wouldn't drag all this attention by opening up with a policy post on killing the smurf. I don't know about GGQ, the rest are just derp votes. Fun fact, that wasn't what iGrok did at all, he opened with a post where he was explicitly pressure voting for me. Which as I explained is hilarious, because with majority votes a single vote means nothing. I like how you are framing him in a better light though. Care to tell me what the last game you rolled scum is? I think I may need to go re-read it. (sorry for triple posting, but since I'm all alone in the thread I thought I might as well talk to myself) | ||
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TheAwesomeAll
Netherlands1609 Posts
On September 09 2011 02:25 BayonnetAnderson wrote: iGrok Ah, random voting, the most useless way to possibly kick a game off. Arguing about lurkers is better than this. Seriously, does anyone feel threatened at all with 1/9 votes? Any risk of death? i disagree, ive never really seen a rvs on teamliquid and imo it basicly quick started the game. (i like the random talking about the game better) random vote, ergo scum, is a pretty bad base for an analysis. the rest of your analysis is pretty good but starting it of with that random vote makes me think you are mainly attacking him because he voted for you. | ||
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BayonnetAnderson
United States60 Posts
On September 09 2011 04:18 TheAwesomeAll wrote: i disagree, ive never really seen a rvs on teamliquid and imo it basicly quick started the game. (i like the random talking about the game better) random vote, ergo scum, is a pretty bad base for an analysis. the rest of your analysis is pretty good but starting it of with that random vote makes me think you are mainly attacking him because he voted for you. None of my case is based on it being random voting, read the actual case. I'm simply saying I think its stupid, but towns do it all the time, its not really a tell either way. Way to take a single line and use it to try to discredit a whole case. I was just pointing out that I believe the RVS is utterly worthless, NOT that iGrok is scum for starting/participating in it. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
##Unvote Vote TheAwesomeAll | ||
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