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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 08 2011 05:40 GMT
#161
Yeah I did, filter me lol
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
September 08 2011 05:55 GMT
#162
I'll read the thread in a few hours, until then I just agree with whatever sandroba says.
Computer says mafia
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
September 08 2011 06:26 GMT
#163
On September 08 2011 12:19 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 11:20 iGrok wrote:
On September 08 2011 10:45 sandroba wrote:
On September 08 2011 09:47 iGrok wrote:
On September 08 2011 08:04 sandroba wrote:
Sup I don't think GGQ is scum. Suspcious people to me so far are iGrok and xfttfc whose behaviour day1 is 100% different than mafia xliv. xftc is being too absurdly confindent about his reads and even basing an entire scum team out of them when the game was only one page long (LOL). The whole notion is so ridiculous that to me it seems he is over compensating for his behaviour in the last game where he was townie and was found scummy by a lot of others. Makes no sense for a townie to throw acusations into 4 players this early with so little info, but it makes a lot of sense for scum to try to create this sort of confusion. I'd like you gather your thoughts and post in a more coherent manner until I decide if you are scum or not.

You said you were suspicious of me and then gave no reasons. Do you have any?

You pretty much started the shit fest day1 with your arbitrary vote and then tryed to make it seem it had some thought behind it, when it was clearly a random vote. Your response seem to be trying too hard to justify it, instead of just admiting it was shitty reasoning and you were only trying to get discussion going. In sumary your first post didn't sit well with me and your response did not help either.
I'd actually like your opinion on someone that has posted in this thread.


First of all, I didn't "start the shit fest day1".

The shitfest had been going on since Curu voted Palmer pre-game. But that specific shitfest started with WBG's Random Vote.

Second of all


On September 08 2011 02:59 iGrok wrote:
On September 08 2011 00:56 sandroba wrote:
On September 07 2011 13:25 iGrok wrote:
Lets do this


With a smurf in the game, I have nothing to base your actions off of. I want you to contribute a lot, so that I can get a good read off of you.

Until then, you make me uncomfortable.

##Vote Bayonet Anderson


Yo iGrok, if you are going to start a RVS why do you go out of your way to make it neat and make it seem justifiable? You ought to know that's no valid reason to vote, why make it seem so?

I consider that a valid reason to vote. With no setup knowledge other than my own role, I'm a little on edge anyways.

This is trying hard to justify it?

Look, if you want to tunnel someone, that's fine. Just pick someone else to fight with.


Oh sheet

iGrok: "I vote this guy for random reason X"

bunch of other people: "I vote this other guy for random other reason y/z/a/b/c"

sandroba: "iGrok why you so scummy why you gotta start shit bro"

iGrok: "I not scummy just look at this guy and this guy they started it! don't blame me bro its their fault"

sandroba:

"[image loading]"

me:

Wtf this guy's scum. He's dodging "responsibility" on a supposed random vote.

If it was a random vote and you didn't start the shitfest then why you so dodgy, iBro? Why you gotta shift the blame to other people instead of manning up and defending your actions? We aren't responsible for you!

##unvote bumatlarge

##vote iGrok


MOTM | Stim.tv | TL Mafia | Fantasy Fighting! | SNSD
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
September 08 2011 10:03 GMT
#164


With 16 alive, it is 9 to lynch

Bayonnete Anderson(1) - iGrok

wherebugsgo(1) - sinani206

sinani206(1) - xtfftc

chaos13(1) - Palmar

GGQ(3) - Curu, JeeJee, bumatlarge

xtfftc(1) - TheAwesomeAll

iGrok(1) - wherebugsgo




Day 1 deadline is 12:00AM ET Friday night aka 18 hours from this post.



A word on modkills in case some of you aren't familiar with my games: You are required to vote and post at least once per 24 hours. The first time you fail to do so is a warning. The second time is a modkill or replacement out of the game. With that said people who are not posting and it's only Day 1 are on thin ice





Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
September 08 2011 10:06 GMT
#165
Actually, I still like chaos13 as scum.

I don't think iGrok is scum, he wouldn't drag all this attention by opening up with a policy post on killing the smurf. I don't know about GGQ, the rest are just derp votes.
Computer says mafia
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 08 2011 11:34 GMT
#166
On September 08 2011 19:06 Palmar wrote:
Actually, I still like chaos13 as scum.

I don't think iGrok is scum, he wouldn't drag all this attention by opening up with a policy post on killing the smurf. I don't know about GGQ, the rest are just derp votes.


Hi Palmar.

In case I don't get the time to place my vote after work today

##Vote GGQ

Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
September 08 2011 13:30 GMT
#167
On September 08 2011 20:34 chaos13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 19:06 Palmar wrote:
Actually, I still like chaos13 as scum.

I don't think iGrok is scum, he wouldn't drag all this attention by opening up with a policy post on killing the smurf. I don't know about GGQ, the rest are just derp votes.


Hi Palmar.

In case I don't get the time to place my vote after work today

##Vote GGQ


Would you please explain? I've just reread everything GGQ has posted and there is nothing there.
You and Jee Jee are tag teaming him. And no I'm not defending GGQ. I'm calling you out for a vote that makes no sense to me.
Life can only kill you once.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
September 08 2011 13:44 GMT
#168
Why do you feel the need to specifically state that you're not defending him? It's not scummy to ask for reasoning behind votes, and it's not scummy opposing bad lynches. If you don't think chaos13's case is good, then that's fine, but why so... defensive about it?
Computer says mafia
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
September 08 2011 13:55 GMT
#169
On September 08 2011 22:44 Palmar wrote:
Why do you feel the need to specifically state that you're not defending him? It's not scummy to ask for reasoning behind votes, and it's not scummy opposing bad lynches. If you don't think chaos13's case is good, then that's fine, but why so... defensive about it?

Because he accused me of it on the previous page.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
September 08 2011 13:57 GMT
#170
On September 08 2011 22:44 Palmar wrote:
Why do you feel the need to specifically state that you're not defending him? It's not scummy to ask for reasoning behind votes, and it's not scummy opposing bad lynches. If you don't think chaos13's case is good, then that's fine, but why so... defensive about it?

Here's the exchange.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11283118
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11283225
Life can only kill you once.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
September 08 2011 13:58 GMT
#171
ok, let's kill him!
Computer says mafia
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
September 08 2011 14:12 GMT
#172
I'm leaning that way. Want to hear his response to my question first.
Life can only kill you once.
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
September 08 2011 17:22 GMT
#173
I believe the only ones who haven't posted yet are Mig, Zona, and Bayonnet?

Aside from them, I really want to hear more from TheAwesomeAll and sinani. Both of them got their post/vote requirement out of the way asap and haven't said anything since. Penny for your thoughts, guys.
BayonnetAnderson
Profile Joined August 2011
United States60 Posts
September 08 2011 17:25 GMT
#174
iGrok

Ah, random voting, the most useless way to possibly kick a game off. Arguing about lurkers is better than this. Seriously, does anyone feel threatened at all with 1/9 votes? Any risk of death?

Now, iGrok, lets talk about him shall we

On September 08 2011 02:59 iGrok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 00:56 sandroba wrote:
On September 07 2011 13:25 iGrok wrote:
Lets do this


With a smurf in the game, I have nothing to base your actions off of. I want you to contribute a lot, so that I can get a good read off of you.

Until then, you make me uncomfortable.

##Vote Bayonet Anderson


Yo iGrok, if you are going to start a RVS why do you go out of your way to make it neat and make it seem justifiable? You ought to know that's no valid reason to vote, why make it seem so?

I consider that a valid reason to vote. With no setup knowledge other than my own role, I'm a little on edge anyways.


This jumps out at me, this is so... unnecessarily defensive, I don't think I've ever been "on edge" when rolling town. I mean as town I don't really care that much if I die or if a couple of idiots vote for me, its almost par for the course. I generally don't even acknowledge the first votes thrown at me, nor do most town, as we know we are innocent. We certainly have nothing to fear, why then is iGrok scared and on edge? What motivation is there for this "edginess", from a town perspective? None, at least none that I can see.

Lets compare this "edginess" with what iGrok usually does as town. From XLIV, his first post upon replacing

On August 25 2011 10:19 iGrok wrote:
[image loading]


Doesn't seem that on edge to me, no real nervousnessor attempts at justification, just "this is what I think, deal with it!" There is not "oh no, I better avoid people tunneling me, what are people going to think of me" namely there is not fear no emotional undercurrent that suggests iGrok might be hiding something, even though there is a bit of doubt its not the prominent part of the post, its not dominating it, unlike the majority of his posts here.

This post right here gives a similar emotional vibe to the first quote I posted, namely fear and discomfort

On September 08 2011 11:20 iGrok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 02:59 iGrok wrote:
On September 08 2011 00:56 sandroba wrote:
On September 07 2011 13:25 iGrok wrote:
Lets do this


With a smurf in the game, I have nothing to base your actions off of. I want you to contribute a lot, so that I can get a good read off of you.

Until then, you make me uncomfortable.

##Vote Bayonet Anderson


Yo iGrok, if you are going to start a RVS why do you go out of your way to make it neat and make it seem justifiable? You ought to know that's no valid reason to vote, why make it seem so?

I consider that a valid reason to vote. With no setup knowledge other than my own role, I'm a little on edge anyways.

This is trying hard to justify it?

Look, if you want to tunnel someone, that's fine. Just pick someone else to fight with.

Can no one else smell the tinge of fear from this post? Note that this desire to avoid the spotlight, this deep fear isn't present in his play as town in mafia XLIV, where he was not at all afraid to be a nexus of attention. Notice he *really* doesn't want to be tunneled, he wants to be away from the spotlight

Compare the above "oh don't tunnel me" to iGrok's response to being called scum by wherebugsgo in XLIV

On August 27 2011 13:26 iGrok wrote:
@WBG:
You still think I'm mafia? After I started the vote for Mig, shot down attempts to split votes between Mig and BB, and... well I haven't told you why Kurumi is scum yet. I've got to think about when to release that, I'm not sure if it'd be better far in advance or right before daypost.


Notice the absolute lack of fear in fact there is a bit of arrogance in the post, that is the attitude of a town player. Fear and anger are what I see in iGrok's posts so far this game, not a tinge of arrogance or that "deal with it" tone from mafia XLIV.

Its interesting that iGrok apparently notices this change (probably informed by his team) and drops back to an arrogant tone with things like

On September 08 2011 11:21 iGrok wrote:
Oh, and I'll give my opinions on people when I'm damn well ready.


Which is a magnificent change, but far too late, and still out of character. The major sticking point of this in my mind is that while iGrok was arrogant in XLIV, his arrogance was always *useful*, while he did post with some arrogance and willfulness it was never stuff like "we'll I don't feel like helping right now", generally he didn't shut down avenues of conversation like this, arrogance was also one of his major sticking points in mafia XL, where he was the mafia godfather, and he took an "everyone but me sucks" approach to the game, which got him lynched day 2, this looks like a lapse into similar behavior. What motivation does a townie have for refusing to give his reads?

This evidence is pretty damning. iGrok's fear and doubt have become his undoing, iGrok is almost certainly scum.

##Vote: iGrok

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BayonnetAnderson
Profile Joined August 2011
United States60 Posts
September 08 2011 17:30 GMT
#175
When he shall be judged, let him be condemned:and let his prayer become sin.
Let his days be few; and let another take his office

Amen
"Ashes to ashes, dust to dust."
BayonnetAnderson
Profile Joined August 2011
United States60 Posts
September 08 2011 18:44 GMT
#176
On September 08 2011 19:06 Palmar wrote:
Actually, I still like chaos13 as scum.

I don't think iGrok is scum, he wouldn't drag all this attention by opening up with a policy post on killing the smurf. I don't know about GGQ, the rest are just derp votes.

Fun fact, that wasn't what iGrok did at all, he opened with a post where he was explicitly pressure voting for me. Which as I explained is hilarious, because with majority votes a single vote means nothing. I like how you are framing him in a better light though. Care to tell me what the last game you rolled scum is? I think I may need to go re-read it.

(sorry for triple posting, but since I'm all alone in the thread I thought I might as well talk to myself)
"Ashes to ashes, dust to dust."
TheAwesomeAll
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands1609 Posts
September 08 2011 19:18 GMT
#177
On September 09 2011 02:25 BayonnetAnderson wrote:
iGrok

Ah, random voting, the most useless way to possibly kick a game off. Arguing about lurkers is better than this. Seriously, does anyone feel threatened at all with 1/9 votes? Any risk of death?

i disagree, ive never really seen a rvs on teamliquid and imo it basicly quick started the game. (i like the random talking about the game better)
random vote, ergo scum, is a pretty bad base for an analysis. the rest of your analysis is pretty good but starting it of with that random vote makes me think you are mainly attacking him because he voted for you.
dr Helvetica <3
BayonnetAnderson
Profile Joined August 2011
United States60 Posts
September 08 2011 19:23 GMT
#178
On September 09 2011 04:18 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 02:25 BayonnetAnderson wrote:
iGrok

Ah, random voting, the most useless way to possibly kick a game off. Arguing about lurkers is better than this. Seriously, does anyone feel threatened at all with 1/9 votes? Any risk of death?

i disagree, ive never really seen a rvs on teamliquid and imo it basicly quick started the game. (i like the random talking about the game better)
random vote, ergo scum, is a pretty bad base for an analysis. the rest of your analysis is pretty good but starting it of with that random vote makes me think you are mainly attacking him because he voted for you.

None of my case is based on it being random voting, read the actual case. I'm simply saying I think its stupid, but towns do it all the time, its not really a tell either way.

Way to take a single line and use it to try to discredit a whole case. I was just pointing out that I believe the RVS is utterly worthless, NOT that iGrok is scum for starting/participating in it.
"Ashes to ashes, dust to dust."
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
September 08 2011 19:38 GMT
#179
I'm feeling pretty good about GGQ or iGrok, unless anyone has some serious issues with the two, I think everyone should start putting your vote on one or the other.
Together but separate, like oatmeal
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 08 2011 20:01 GMT
#180
I would rather kill TAA.

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