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On September 05 2011 09:48 chaos13 wrote:Jackal I have one problem with your claim. Maybe it's a host slip and I'm seeing just seeing conspiracies, but the PM you describe gives away how you were returned to life. If iGrok allows it I will copy and paste my death notice. Sinani and Drazerk did you get a PM when you died?
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On September 05 2011 09:50 sandroba wrote: Also we should not lynch zombie today. We lynch bum who is 100% scum and ace who is 95% scum. That will keep kp neatly at one even if the game is not over somehow, so killing off ressed players is a waste today. I agree. Drazerk is not lynch bait. Anybody that votes for him is scum or dumb. He is a good day vig shot though. Nothing personal Drazerk but reading the thread while I was dead leads me to the conclusion that sinani was ressed and you are reanimated.
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On September 05 2011 09:50 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 09:46 Jackal58 wrote:On September 05 2011 09:43 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 05 2011 09:41 Jackal58 wrote:On September 05 2011 09:40 sandroba wrote:On September 05 2011 09:31 Jackal58 wrote: Bum is scum. His late claim is BS. I was minion hit. I received a PM from iGrok when I died advising me to continue watching the game because I would be resurrected at the beginning of the next day. The only thing that fits that is a minion hit.
Can you claim exactly what blue role you are? Mafia already knows you are blue and if you are not mafia you are getting shot either way. Guardian Angel What is that, a medic? Yes. Kind of. I block all visits. My spread wings prevent the entry of all evil doers. But...you still died? lol Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 09:46 chaos13 wrote:On September 05 2011 09:43 Ace wrote:On September 05 2011 09:40 chaos13 wrote: Do Zombies count towards mafia numbers, or just KP? holy shit. Read the OP. holy shit. I see nothing in the OP that answers my question. From OP I can't protect myself. That would be a cool role though. Claim day 1 and game over.
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On September 05 2011 09:55 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 09:52 Jackal58 wrote:On September 05 2011 09:48 chaos13 wrote:Jackal I have one problem with your claim. No players are told how a character is returned to life. Maybe it's a host slip and I'm seeing just seeing conspiracies, but the PM you describe gives away how you were returned to life. If iGrok allows it I will copy and paste my death notice. Sinani and Drazerk did you get a PM when you died? Got a PM when I died saying I MAY be revived and to continue reading the thread. Mine stated I would be.
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On September 05 2011 10:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 09:57 Jackal58 wrote:On September 05 2011 09:50 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 05 2011 09:46 Jackal58 wrote:On September 05 2011 09:43 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 05 2011 09:41 Jackal58 wrote:On September 05 2011 09:40 sandroba wrote:On September 05 2011 09:31 Jackal58 wrote: Bum is scum. His late claim is BS. I was minion hit. I received a PM from iGrok when I died advising me to continue watching the game because I would be resurrected at the beginning of the next day. The only thing that fits that is a minion hit.
Can you claim exactly what blue role you are? Mafia already knows you are blue and if you are not mafia you are getting shot either way. Guardian Angel What is that, a medic? Yes. Kind of. I block all visits. My spread wings prevent the entry of all evil doers. But...you still died? lol On September 05 2011 09:46 chaos13 wrote:On September 05 2011 09:43 Ace wrote:On September 05 2011 09:40 chaos13 wrote: Do Zombies count towards mafia numbers, or just KP? holy shit. Read the OP. holy shit. I see nothing in the OP that answers my question. From OP Mafia KP is N/2 (rounded up). Zombies count towards KP. I can't protect myself. That would be a cool role though. Claim day 1 and game over. Oh I understand. Did you try to protect someone night 1? We don't have nights. I protected Palmar day 1
Bum I haven't made half a claim. I'm Guardian Angel. I block all evil doers from visiting a person during that day cycle. iGrok has informed me via PM that copying any parts of my PMs from him will violate rule 6 and result in a modkill. So don't ask.
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On September 05 2011 10:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 10:05 sandroba wrote:On September 05 2011 09:49 Ace wrote: so somehow the Coroner role when divided ends up with a grand total of just 2 checks. Lol wow what bullshit. From the OP: "Not all role descriptions are complete." Don't you thinking by now the real coroner would have counter claimed? Also look at the list of players. If you think the scum team consists of redFF and sinani I don't know what to say. Also if the team is me/redFF/sinani why wouldn't we save redFF from the lynch by blocking one of his voters? What about bum's ridiculous claim have you nothing to say about that? If you argue the inhibitor is not present thus he could not be saved and the lynch results were because of pious I ask you to look at the suposedly townie roles because that would make at least 1 priest 1 medic 1 ridic lawyer claim and very likely a coroner since it's no flip. No roleblocker in this setup? I've been roleblocked twice and you are voting for me without any analysis or reasoning. There is simply no way you are town. I don't find bum's claim as ridiculous as you do. I don't necessarily believe his claim, but I have had a sneaking suspicion that I am the pious since the first night. This makes it very difficult for me to decide which one of you to believe. Your arguments against his claim ARE very weak. "Coloring his role green instead of blue, and using the word "are" instead of "is". If Ace isn't scum you most likely are.
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Thanks Chaos. I was just attempting to do the vote count. Kenpachi needs to vote for Ace. Do it Kenpachi.
On September 05 2011 10:10 iGrok wrote: If all mafia are killed, and some can possibly be revived, the game goes on.
So if Ace and Bum are both scum and both lynched today the game still isn't over? Even if ON is ressed as a Zombie we still have to wait one more day cycle to ensure our High Priest isn't high and resses Bum or Ace?
This is assuming 3 scum only. KP would lend itself to 3 scum only scenario.
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Why the hell are you guys arguing with Ace? He's scum. If he's not scum he's some sort of fucked up 3rd party. If he's not scum/3rd party he's just being a dick. All it's doing is producing a pile of poo that means nothing.
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On September 06 2011 00:13 chaos13 wrote: I wouldn't be at all surprised to see 4 scum in this setup. If it was a standard game, yeah probably just 3, but with the ability of town to confirm people like sinani and varp and resurrect them, and with roles like Daywalker (which unfortunately doesn't seem to be present) and Guardian Angel (assuming your claim is true) and the Pious Voter (assuming they don't suck at scumhunting) I would say town has a definite advantage that would be balanced out by 4 mafia. I don't want us to get stuck in a tunnel of believing there is only 3 scum and then be confused later.
I also don't think mafia will zombify ON. There would be no point to it. He would be lynched immediately so all they've done is made us waste a lynch. They don't actually gain KP from it in the end. Instead they're more likely to revive a town player that was lynched or killed. Why wouldn't they? It turns town against town, essentially, forcing us to use a lynch against our own members. O_-
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On September 06 2011 04:22 wherebugsgo wrote: Wtf why would mafia not res ON? That's 1 KP, mafia plus zombie= 1 KP. Wow. Do they add together? [green]Does scum KP add together for a zombified scum member?[/green}
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Does scum KP add together for a zombified scum member?
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On September 06 2011 04:45 sandroba wrote: If we kill both scum today it's game over afaik. If priest is alive target palmar. Agreed. Res Palmar. Consider nobody else. I'm not 100% convinced of Ace's scumminess. He's playing more like a VI. jcarlsoniv looks more like scum than Ace. Ace is scary fucking good.
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On September 06 2011 04:57 wherebugsgo wrote: What's a VI?
Also I say we lynch jcarl/kenpachi tomorrow. If ON somehow gets ressed then replace one of them with ON.
No offense to either of you guys, but kenpachi has been super hardcore mode lurking and jcarl suggested we have 5-6 mafia (rofl) and has been doing things that suggest to me he's new when apparently he's more experienced than sandroba.
That is rather fishy to me. A village idiot. A 3rd party role that wins on condition of being lynched by town. Some VI scenarios just declare his wincon met and remove him from the game when lynched. Others declare game over and VI winner if he's lynched. Ace is not playing scummy. Nor is he playing town. He's just trying to piss everybody off. Sandroba - Is Ace playing anything at all like he did in Sleeper Cell? Remember the game where he got the DT that called me scum lynched instead of me? Where he convinced town he was super duper spy with DT/Vig powers? This Ace ain't scum. He ain't town but he damn sure ain't scum. (Sorry to open old wounds Bum)
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On September 06 2011 05:08 wherebugsgo wrote: I didn't actually even think about that.
I think you might be right, Jackal. Also Kenpachi's last post is really makin me suspicious of him.
Lynch kenpachi instead of Ace? Trying to get a read off of Kenpachi is next to impossible. He plays every game like a VI. I don't believe I have played with jcarl before. If I have I died day 1 or 2 and didn't pay any attention to him. You say he's experienced? Right now I think I'd prefer a jcarl lynch. His defense of Bum and his excuse for it screams scum at me. Everything Kenpachi posts just screams trololololo.
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On September 06 2011 07:29 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 05:05 Jackal58 wrote:On September 06 2011 04:57 wherebugsgo wrote: What's a VI?
Also I say we lynch jcarl/kenpachi tomorrow. If ON somehow gets ressed then replace one of them with ON.
No offense to either of you guys, but kenpachi has been super hardcore mode lurking and jcarl suggested we have 5-6 mafia (rofl) and has been doing things that suggest to me he's new when apparently he's more experienced than sandroba.
That is rather fishy to me. A village idiot. A 3rd party role that wins on condition of being lynched by town. Some VI scenarios just declare his wincon met and remove him from the game when lynched. Others declare game over and VI winner if he's lynched. Ace is not playing scummy. Nor is he playing town. He's just trying to piss everybody off. Sandroba - Is Ace playing anything at all like he did in Sleeper Cell? Remember the game where he got the DT that called me scum lynched instead of me? Where he convinced town he was super duper spy with DT/Vig powers? This Ace ain't scum. He ain't town but he damn sure ain't scum. (Sorry to open old wounds Bum) Well, I'm almost positive ace is scum. He pushed the lynch on redFF ytd, but seen how absurd the idea was he didn't get much support except from the scum team. Also from his day1 play and considering the setup VI is very unlikely (there is double lynch and players get ressurected ffs). Bum is 100% scum and ON was scum, so it's not like it's the end of the word if somehow we mislynch ace. I'm not worried about a mislynch. I'm worried about something nasty happening to us when we do lynch him. Ace's scum play is not this transparent. Your zeal bothers me. Step back and rethink your position. This is not a normal setup. Lynching Ace is a scary proposition in my opinion.
If Day vig is in this game shoot Ace now. Please.
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On September 06 2011 09:54 sandroba wrote:I have no hard proof all I have is behaviour and logic. Mafia is indeed a game of assumptions and that's how you work out the most reasonable explanation. The hard facts I have is that kp was 2 + minion day1 and 1 day2, plus the fact that I've been roleblocked twice while voting bumatlarge when otherwise he would be lynched. Now the number of mafia players present is an important expeculation. I've given many reasons already why a number of mafia greater than 3 would be imbalanced and in one of your posts you agree with my logic. It also can't be lower than 3 due to balance and kp from day1. That being said that does indeed confirm varpulis and sinani as town. One thing I find funny is that you jump all over redFF's claim, but you say nothing about bum's. That is contradictory to your own personal logic. Look at bum's claim. If he was town and indeed had that role how would you use that? You would try to fucking confirm townies by checking lists that had one vote looking for pious. That would be the most obvious thing to do and probably imbalanced as it would 100% confirm a player to bum in that case. Yet you never bothered to look into his claim nor at his behaviour. I wonder why. Another example of contradictory behaviour: Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 09:50 Ace wrote: shut your face.
Jackal is telling the truth and he's legit. Why? How come? Don't you find it slightly intriguing that there is a medic on a setup that people can ressurect? Jackal is suddenly legit to you based on nothing, but somehow you think when other players use reasoning to deduce if a claim is likely or not to be legit than they are "jumping to conclusions". Nice double standards right there. Your rules only apply to others, but not to you when you are pushing your objectives. I'm more than a medic Sandroba. I block all evil from the person I decide to protect. This includes any actions scum use on a person. It does not stop the daywalker or pious voters. Only scum actions. So I'm not a medic in the traditional sense. Town can still kill the person I protect.
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On September 06 2011 10:15 sandroba wrote: @Jackal That's not the point in my post. Are you convinced Ace is scum yet? =P I'm convinced he needs to die. I'll be convinced he was scum if we live through it. Although his last rant moved him closer to scum than VI for me. But I still don't discount that possibility. His earlier play does not fit his scum MO. I'm sorry but Ace's ability to manipulate people scares me.
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On September 06 2011 10:18 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 09:25 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 06 2011 08:58 Ace wrote: See, you guys dont even read the thread. Ok smart guy, tell me this:
When did the Town confirm Sinani as town, and how did we do it?
Show me. Outline it. I dare you.
Assuming mafia had 3 members to start with, then Mafia kp was 2. 3 people died that night. That is mafia kp + minion shot. sinani was lynched. If sinani was scum, then this would have reduced mafia kp to 1 before the mafia kills went out. On September 06 2011 05:03 iGrok wrote:On September 06 2011 04:59 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 06 2011 04:56 iGrok wrote:On September 06 2011 04:53 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 04 2011 15:48 iGrok wrote:On September 04 2011 13:41 wherebugsgo wrote: Good god why are we wasting more time speculating about this shit?
If we lynch mafia during the day, for example from 3 mafia to 2 mafia, does it reduce their KP that same day? e.g. would we see 1 mafia kill instead of 2? Yes. Order is Blocking Effects, Lynches, Killing effects, Other effects. Initially I thought that, if we lynched both mafia then the res would still go through but I guess I'm unsure here because "other effects" is after lynches. Thus, if we lynch a necro he can't res, I think. If we lynch the necromancer does his resurrect go through or is it nullified?(sorry for all the questions iGrok haha. We love you :D ) I never said there was a necromancer in this game. + Show Spoiler + Oh you BITCH :p working on the assumption that there is, what would happen? Replace "necromancer" with "resurrector" if you wish, I don't give a shitAlso if he refuses to answer I say we lynch iGrok Order is Blocking Effects, Lynches, Killing effects, Other effects.
Lynch me if you dare! Sinani is town. I showed you. I outlined it for you. What happens if there is 4 Scum What happens if I start farting rainbows? You berated people for looking for things outside of the OP and creating scenarios to fit their imaginings. And now you're creating what if scenarios? Ya you're scum.
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Avenging Angel Ace?
Only other kind of Angel I can think of.
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