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On August 23 2011 06:40 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 06:32 VisceraEyes wrote: hiro is acting like cocky-ass scum this game, and I think he's hiding behind his meta. He doesn't usually play like this when scum (he doesn't often play scum at all actually)...one of his only games I've played with him though he was the lurky lacky of Palmar, in the game he referenced at the BEGINNING of the game, establishing his meta. I don't like it. Hiro takes the lead of second-runner-ups-to-Palmar-on-my-scum-list. Wait a minute, you said that me using meta in my arguments was pointless and (for the most part) rampant speculation. But now you're voting for Hiro based on meta? WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS WORLD
yeah, he's not following his own advice:
On August 23 2011 00:53 VisceraEyes wrote: It's also a good way to find scum...in fact, contradictory behavior is one of the BEST ways to find scum.
lol
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Palmar, what is your opinion of xtfftc?
looking forward to what BrownBear has to say.
also, the following people need to chime in and give opinions: Trotske Lucidity Munk-E GreYMisT nard Pyo Kurumi
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Ok, this town is full of WIFOM, and it has a name: Dropbear.
This exact situation happened in wherewolfs. day2, someone claims DT, we keep him alive. Town then spends 2 days trying to decide if the claimer is telling the truth or not. we kill him 2 days later: he was a DT. Knowing this, I wish I would have lynched him right when he claimed. We would have lost a DT, but established an important meta: claims that cannot be confirmed must never happen!
claims that cannot be confirmed must never happen
I say there is a 50/50 chance that DB is scum. considering all thats happened today, thats good enough to lynch off of.
##Vote: DropBear
DB, If you town, I am sorry, but you left us in a terrible situation.
xtfftc defense has been fairly reasonable. he has not back away from what he said, and he seems to general feel that he has done nothing wrong. good on ya xtfftc, lets scum hunt.
Also, apologies to GreyMist for calling him out when I didn't notice he was asking for a replacement.
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On August 24 2011 04:15 Curu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 04:12 hiro protagonist wrote: Ok, this town is full of WIFOM, and it has a name: Dropbear.
This exact situation happened in wherewolfs. day2, someone claims DT, we keep him alive. Town then spends 2 days trying to decide if the claimer is telling the truth or not. we kill him 2 days later: he was a DT. Knowing this, I wish I would have lynched him right when he claimed. We would have lost a DT, but established an important meta: claims that cannot be confirmed must never happen!
claims that cannot be confirmed must never happen
I say there is a 50/50 chance that DB is scum. considering all thats happened today, thats good enough to lynch off of.
##Vote: DropBear
DB, If you town, I am sorry, but you left us in a terrible situation.
xtfftc defense has been fairly reasonable. he has not back away from what he said, and he seems to general feel that he has done nothing wrong. good on ya xtfftc, lets scum hunt.
Also, apologies to GreyMist for calling him out when I didn't notice he was asking for a replacement. This post reeks of scum.
how so?
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On August 24 2011 04:28 Foolishness wrote: Since DropBear is pulling a Coagulation, we can just leave him alone for now. If he really is medic (which I believe him to be) then the mafia will just kill him in the following nights. If he is mafia, then he will still be alive after a few days, in which we would reevaluate the case against him.
We need to figure out who we're lynching now. You all know what I think, but tossing random votes on DropBear or supersoft is not going to help the town.
No, Mafia would be pleased as punch to let him live out the night. They love the WIFOM that it creates. DropBear is the best lynch right now. His death will shead some light on your alignment, as well as show that Mig might not be to far off of his usually good scumhunting powers.
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Wow, Ok, no one likes that idea. does everyone think Im stupid?
##Unvote: DropBear
Im just gonna sheep whoever is the highest vote is by the end of the day.
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On August 24 2011 05:11 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 05:08 hiro protagonist wrote: Wow, Ok, no one likes that idea. does everyone think Im stupid?
##Unvote: DropBear
Im just gonna sheep whoever is the highest vote is by the end of the day. what?
Spam MOre? are you asking a question? or just mucking up the thread?
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How cant anyone see how bad town atmosphere has been. Mafia are laughing there Asses of in the QT right now. I want Dropbear dead cuz I Think he is scum. His claim ruined any headway that we made on day 2. Do you think thats an accident? cuz I dont.
So ask yourself this: how has anything I have done hurt town atmosphere? How has any of my post been anything other than scum hunting? I have Hid nothing from anyone, and your gonna lynch me for speaking my mind? when I un-voted DB, It was because everyone else thought I was wrong. Fair enough. But is being wrong mean Im Mafia? Also, I still think im right, but am willing to listen to town when they says Im wrong. Does that make me Mafia?
This will be my only defense in this mater for now. Im gonna use the last 5 hours of my life to find scum, and try and make a good town atmosphere.
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On August 24 2011 05:54 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 05:52 hiro protagonist wrote: How cant anyone see how bad town atmosphere has been. Mafia are laughing there Asses of in the QT right now. I want Dropbear dead cuz I Think he is scum. His claim ruined any headway that we made on day 2. Do you think thats an accident? cuz I dont.
So ask yourself this: how has anything I have done hurt town atmosphere? How has any of my post been anything other than scum hunting? I have Hid nothing from anyone, and your gonna lynch me for speaking my mind? when I un-voted DB, It was because everyone else thought I was wrong. Fair enough. But is being wrong mean Im Mafia? Also, I still think im right, but am willing to listen to town when they says Im wrong. Does that make me Mafia?
This will be my only defense in this mater for now. Im gonna use the last 5 hours of my life to find scum, and try and make a good town atmosphere. Prove that You're Town.
My actions are my proof.
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well, It looks like Kurumi becomes a mute when he has to string more than A few words together. Don't be shy, I would love to see a nice long post on what your thoughts are!
I have a few outstanding issues I would like answers to.
On August 24 2011 04:56 Foolishness wrote: I would like to point out that Quicksilver7 was suspicious of hiro protagonist day 1.
Thats really reaching Foolishness. he was suspect of me at a time when I only had 3 post, and none that where game related. why ignore everything thats happened sense?
On August 24 2011 04:42 chaoser wrote: You all know where my vote stands and there it shall stay.
Dropbear's odd timing and then his claim as the medic that saved Foolishness, combined with the fact that no one has counterclaimed it leads me to trust his claim. As a consequence of that I trust Foolishness to be town.
what? are you advocating that its a good idea for a medic to claim right now. thats scummy. also, tell me how someone coming in claiming they med protected Foolishness would refute DropBear's claim. cuz I dont see it.
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On August 24 2011 06:21 wherebugsgo wrote:
You can't use one thing to call someone scum. Your pitfall is that you think you can just accuse someone based on one event.I can accuse someone for any reason I wish. this is really bad logic to think Im scum Yeah, DB fucked up the town atmosphere pretty bad by adding a lot of confusion, but most of us agree that lynching him for it is not going to get us anywhere. The reason is because, while causing chaos is a mafia tactic, we cannot lynch DB solely based on that. In order to identify someone as mafia, you need a pattern of behavior that is consistent with being mafia.There is a consistent pattern. did you not see Migs accusations? He made some very good points
I think it's possible that DB is mafia, but his behavior is not as certain as yours.If thats the case, and you think DB might be Mafia, where is the logic that I would push for my scumbuddys lynch?
Anyway, how have you hurt town atmosphere? Well, you constantly ask for people's opinions without providing any of your own. You cop out of EVERYTHING. As soon as you receive some pressure, you disappear or add cryptically,"my actions are my proof." Well, that's real convenient, seeing as you've done next to nothing!lol You claim you'll come along with analysis or you will contribute when you are able to, yet you continually post things that show signs of pretending to contribute. Your posts are empty, devoid of reasoning.So you say, but my post are neither empty nor without reasons. maybe you just dont see them
When you took flak for your DB vote which was based on like...one line and smelled very strongly like you were trying to start a bandwagon, you immediately backed off and then outright said you would just sheep whoever comes along next. You basically admitted to not having anything useful to contribute because you planned to simply sheep whoever has the most votes.Im willing to admit when I am wrong. when the whole town shot down lynching DB, I was at a lost. Ace once said " its not what you know, but who you can convince." I had just lost any ability to do that when town was like 'lol, you suck hiro' so i said I would sheep the top vote. because I want a lynch as apposed to a no lynch. sorry if that was not obvious.
If you have nothing to contribute, then I strongly believe you are mafia.
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I think Mig is a bad lynch. his defense against foolishness is very good. Also, xtfftc is of my intrest as well. no one wants to lynch DB for whatever reason. it might be a good time to lynch a lurker.
Or Erandorr, I would be down for lynching this guy.
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no wait! RazorFlash! lets lynch him. he came at me with a OMGUS and has sense vanished
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Ok, Palmar has convinced me. also, its not like I have much choice in the matter.
##Vote Mig
I would still rather lynch Razorflash, but I can see how that most likely wont happen.
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If I am the leading vote with 10 minutes left. I will switch to myself so there might be a lynch.
Erandorr, It would be great if you could put your vote on ether me or Mig. We need to lynch.
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Curu, what makes me look like the better lynch? could you give your own reasons? I stand behind the fact that all of my actions are pro town. some people did not like how I responded to people asking me questions. It seems like they dont like my tone. but they never tried to attach my logic. only bugs has so far, and I pointed out why I thought he was wrong.
So lets look at the logic: When I respond to someones question with a 'lol', how does that benefit me if Im Scum. Im drawing attention to myself, and I know Im doing it. Ask yourself, what would a scum gain from doing this.
Now, what would a townie gain from doing this? He is putting himself under scrutiny, and making him a object of conversation. I dont know about you, but I learn alot about how serious someones accusations are when I challenge them. Its a scum hunting strategy.
Palmar is right about my scum meta, but the funny thing is, the same could be said about my town meta. Im super passive, and in all of my past games as town I all ways wondered why I cant be more active. and its because Im to afraid of being wrong that I dont say anything. In RTM I had 3 people in my scum list that where actual scum by the end of the game, but I was afraid to mislynch. I wanted to change that.
My strategy has not panned out as well as I hoped. I think its only good when town has a good atmosphere, and scum are trying to find a easy target to lynch. Sorry I messed it up, but I want to get better at this game, as apposed to playing passively.
@ bugs: your right, I never came though with an analysis on xtfftc. By the time I was able to write one, I no longer thought him to be the best lynch. also, Brownbear put up an excellent that sumed up my thoughts as well.
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On August 24 2011 08:38 xtfftc wrote:We have 8 votes for Mig and 6 for Hiro. They are followed by DropBear and myself with 2 each. I am leaning towards Hiro at the moment. I can see how his voting pattern might actually make sense for a mafia player. He has taken a stance against pretty much everyone accused, so in a way he has pleased everyone without focusing on a specific target. Also, this: Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 07:52 hiro protagonist wrote: If I am the leading vote with 10 minutes left. I will switch to myself so there might be a lynch. How can a 100% confirmed townie's death be better than a no-lynch? It's not like Hiro's death is going to give us some concrete information. So, ##Vote: hiro protagonistI will check the thread before I go to bed in ~45 minutes and I'll switch to Mig if we are facing the prospect of a no-lynch.
cus its all WIFOM after a no lynch. We need info, and someones death is gonna give it to us, whether its me or Mig. how can you not see that?
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Im cool with lynching chaos,
##Unvote Mig ##Vote chaos13
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bugs, Kurumi, whats wrong? did we find your scum buddy.
both of you have done nothing to produce a good town atmosphere. your both not looking so hot right now...
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