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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
August 23 2011 18:40 GMT
#1180
ebwop: DT checks him, if he's red, we trade 1 for 1 and have done with it.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
August 23 2011 19:43 GMT
#1212
Lynching DB to confirm Foolishness is a terrible idea, mafia will just double stack him tonight, and the only gain from DB's death (this is assuming that he's actually a medic) will be lost.

Hiro's looking pretty damn scummy right now, considering changing my vote to him.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
August 23 2011 20:17 GMT
#1240
Hiro Protagonist is scum. He's been posting 1-liners and lurking all game, sheeping on the leading wagons without explanation, and he's advocating lynching a claimed medic.

When reading through his posts, i also found this gems:
On August 21 2011 07:54 hiro protagonist wrote:
yeah DropBear, I would lynch me for exactly those reasons to. Problem is, I know Im town. thanks for calling me out on it though

I would be down with lynching RayzorFlash

"yeah i'm acting scummy and you should lynch people who act like me, but i'm town, i promise". Nice scumlogic you got there, bro.


##vote Hiro Protagonist

oh, and i saw this when I f5'd the thread before posting:
On August 24 2011 05:08 hiro protagonist wrote:
Wow, Ok, no one likes that idea. does everyone think Im stupid?

##Unvote: DropBear

Im just gonna sheep whoever is the highest vote is by the end of the day.

wowowowow. Relieving himself of all responsibility for the lynch. nice try scum.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
August 23 2011 22:45 GMT
#1283
can somebody give me the deadline in EST? I need to make plans so that i'm able to switch my vote as needed close to the deadline to prevent a no-lynch.

I still like Hiro as a lynch, I'd consent to switching to Mig if necessary though. xtfftc... i dunno, not seeing the scum there, but any lynch is better than no lynch.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
August 23 2011 22:47 GMT
#1284
nvm found it. 22:00 EDT.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
August 24 2011 01:59 GMT
#1430
If we no-lynch we waste our only relable way to deal with scum. super, switch.

(i did say i'd be around, didn't i?)
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
August 24 2011 02:00 GMT
#1432
ok 2 people ninja'd their switches while i was writing that post, so i think we're ok.

Why does everybody in this game feel the need to fake claim?
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
August 24 2011 02:09 GMT
#1436
f5
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
August 24 2011 05:15 GMT
#1459
InserT, who are you actually? The fact that you know who foolishness is and why he's expected to be dead by now leads me to believe that you're a smurf.

I apologize in advance if you're not. Welcome to the game! Town is currently a mess, DropBear is an idiot, and scum is most likely laughing their head's off right about now.

I'm going to bed.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
August 25 2011 23:31 GMT
#1642
##vote Mig

Foolishness's accusation of BrownBear convinced me more of Mig's scumminess than of BB's. complete null read on Lucid, can't make sense of his posts either way.

Nard is totally dismissive of all accusations and I've got a gut feeling that he's scum, just filtering his posts. Really not sure though.

Lucidity is scummy, because he
-wanted to kill a claimed medic
-wishy washy with his thoughts and suspicions
-believes Hiro's claim, then calls people scummy for doing the same.

trotske... I don't know. he was afk and now he's been replaced. Let's see what iGrok does.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
August 25 2011 23:32 GMT
#1643
ebwop
On August 26 2011 08:31 Varpulis wrote:
##vote Mig

Foolishness's accusation of BrownBear convinced me more of Mig's scumminess than of BB's. complete null read on Lucid, can't make sense of his posts either way.

Nard is totally dismissive of all accusations and I've got a gut feeling that he's scum, just filtering his posts. Really not sure though.

Lucidity is scummy, because he
-wanted to kill a claimed medic
-wishy washy with his thoughts and suspicions
-believes Hiro's claim, then calls people scummy for doing the same.

trotske... I don't know. he was afk and now he's been replaced. Let's see what iGrok does.

read through his posts more carefully and changed my mind, then forgot to proofread. TT
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
August 26 2011 01:21 GMT
#1647
No way there's more than 1 traitor, from a balance perspective.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
August 26 2011 01:39 GMT
#1649
On August 26 2011 10:33 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2011 10:21 Varpulis wrote:
No way there's more than 1 traitor, from a balance perspective.


Let's assume there is one, and work that way?

We need to work with our worst case scenarios. Assume there's no blues, and that there is a traitor.

Why don't we not discuss what roles are/aren't in the game? it accomplishes little to nothing, and doesn't help us scumhunt. rolecrafting in a semi open setup without pms isn't worth much of anything.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
August 27 2011 03:03 GMT
#1763
BAM
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
August 28 2011 05:59 GMT
#1870
Guys, he's a claimed dt who's sure of his sanity. He's claimed his targets, how he knows his sanity, everything. Chaoser's fucked if he's mafia fake claiming, and I can't imagine why mafia would claim dt with no pressure on them.

##vote Vain

Also, Bumatlarge is scum. Without a shadow if a doubt, he's scum. Because we already have 2 good targets today, both very likely mafia (one called scum by a dead watcher, one called scum by a living dt) I'm not going to push for his lynch today, but I want to say it before I forget. I'll expand on these after I wake up, it's 2am where I am right now.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
August 28 2011 06:26 GMT
#1872
On August 28 2011 15:15 wherebugsgo wrote:
Hey bumatlarge:

What's your analysis of of Visceraeyes, Rayzor, and xt? I want to know your thoughts.

Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 14:59 Varpulis wrote:
Guys, he's a claimed dt who's sure of his sanity. He's claimed his targets, how he knows his sanity, everything. Chaoser's fucked if he's mafia fake claiming, and I can't imagine why mafia would claim dt with no pressure on them.

##vote Vain

Also, Bumatlarge is scum. Without a shadow if a doubt, he's scum. Because we already have 2 good targets today, both very likely mafia (one called scum by a dead watcher, one called scum by a living dt) I'm not going to push for his lynch today, but I want to say it before I forget. I'll expand on these after I wake up, it's 2am where I am right now.


I think we should think this through carefully. Once vain and nard are back (it's fairly early in Europe right now, no?) and can claim we can choose the correct target.

Vain's my personal preference as of now. There's no margin for error when a dt comes out and says "he's scum". I believe Chaoser's claim. In an ideal world, we lynch either nard or vain today, the other gets vigged tonight, and we lynch brownbear tomorrow, for 3 scum dead in 2 days.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
August 28 2011 06:56 GMT
#1875
Hmm, the margins of error that I can see are: Chaoser's is mafia, and he's not sane. I don't think he's mafia and he's confirmed himself as sane.

If you want to argue the possibility that vain's a miller, the same argument can be made replacing vain with nard and miller with nosy neighbor. For the purposes of my decision, I'm ignoring both possibilities.

I would like to stress that I'm not against lynching nard. In fact I would hope that he dies too, and soon. I simply think that it's better to lynch vain first.

I really do need sleep, so I'll revisit this tomorrow when I'm not dead tired; maybe I'm missing something. Hopefully both will have claimed by then, and we can move forwards from there.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
August 28 2011 15:27 GMT
#1900
On August 28 2011 21:55 chaos13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 12:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
On August 28 2011 12:27 xtfftc wrote:
Oh, and:

nard is 100% mafia. If I die it will be instantly clear how I know this information.


Can someone explain it for stupid me what was Foolishness' proof? As a watcher, he saw Nard visit someone or someone visit Nard or?


He probably watched someone who died on the previous night. He gets a report of everyone who visited that person.

If nard visited a person who died, he's almost certainly mafia. This is, of course, has to be what Foolish was saying, because he was a watcher and he was 100% sure nard is mafia.

Now, the thing about vain is that there is a TINY possibility he's not mafia. But we'll wait for his claim before anything is said.


nard is 100% mafia. Foolish would not have missed considering all the possibilities. He had to have watched someone who died, and nard was the ONLY person visiting them. There can be no mistake here. A 100% confirmed watcher has given us a 100% confirmed mafia


Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 14:59 Varpulis wrote:
Guys, he's a claimed dt who's sure of his sanity. He's claimed his targets, how he knows his sanity, everything. Chaoser's fucked if he's mafia fake claiming, and I can't imagine why mafia would claim dt with no pressure on them.

##vote Vain

Also, Bumatlarge is scum. Without a shadow if a doubt, he's scum. Because we already have 2 good targets today, both very likely mafia (one called scum by a dead watcher, one called scum by a living dt) I'm not going to push for his lynch today, but I want to say it before I forget. I'll expand on these after I wake up, it's 2am where I am right now.


I'll go with a confirmed blue before a likely blue. We can take out Vain tomorrow, or tonight if we still have a vigilante. nard is a priority because someone we know has a power role that can prove people as mafia has stated that nard is mafia.

after a very refreshing rest, I think i'll switch my vote. chaos13 is right, in that foolishness knows what's up, and wouldn't go so far as to say that nard is 100% mafia unless he was absolutely sure.

also (though this is theorycrafty) 2 nosy neighbors have already flipped, so i think it's not likely for nard to be one to.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
August 28 2011 15:46 GMT
#1902
On August 29 2011 00:35 nard wrote:
Show nested quote +

Mafia list: nard, BrownBear, Barundar, Pyo, RayzorFlash. If one of those flip green then Erandorr.

this list xtfftc?

I disagree with Barundar (and me obviously) being scummy. So far he didn't appear on my scum-o-meter at all. BrownBear and Pyo are my main candidates - i have to filter RayzorFlash again but all i can remember are accusations against him by supersoft... which i can't take too seriously.

BrownBear: caught my attention with his first throw-away vote on JeeJee. I kept re-reading his posts but couldn't put my finger on it what exactly made him stand out. Foolishness' case made it clearer for me, no need to repeat his analysis. his replacement threw me off a little though, i don't have a good read on him.

Pyo: this is how you lurk as scum. my safest guess.

other people who make me curious: Lucidity, Vain, Kurumi and xtfftc

i will be back online in ~2 hours. is it correct that Foolishness watching me visit Mig on the night of his death does mean there is godfather in the game? Or is there a third possibility (in your eyes, besides me being scum)?

scum.

wishy washy and non accusatory when talking about fellow scum.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
August 29 2011 18:25 GMT
#1965
On August 30 2011 02:23 bumatlarge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2011 02:12 Lucidity wrote:
I thought I was the only one seeing this shit. wherebugsgo decides X is mafia/town, and then takes every post that player has made and turns it into pro-scum/pro-town, whichever serves his preconceived notions. You don't decide a player's alignment and then build a case around that, you do it the other way around. Sometimes it's hard to look at things objectively when you go into an analysis thinking someone is scum (I was going to post a "supersoft is scum" analysis and while rereading all his posts realised that he wasn't as confirmed scum as I thought going into the analysis), but all your TL;DR analyses read like tunneling/scum painting to me. :\

I've had this bad gut feeling about you all game long, but then you also contribute A LOT, which threw me off. But after the nard and bum flips play out I'm definitely looking at you again. Your massive posts are daunting, but perhaps that was your plan to deter people from analyzing them -.- I haven't read any of your cases and thought, "Hmmm, yes I really like what this guy is saying!".

12 Town vs 5 Mafia, "BUT WE STILL HAVE WORK TO DO", as if we're on our way to winning. 12v5 is a terrible situation for us. "BE CAUTIOUS" you say. Then in the very same post you say, "DONT DOUBT YOURSELVES". Lolwut?

Vain is Mafia turns in to Vain is 100% town and bum is framing him, based off of nothing really. BB/bum is almost certain to be lynched next, your massive analysis was overkill. But it had a purpose: To save Vain. Mafia can vote for other mafia mate, especially if nard/bum is more important than Vain.

Really need to see these people flip and go from there.


So you're going to sit back and let him get away with doing this after nailing it on the head dude? If nard is scum and I get lynched tomorrow it will be at 7v4 when the next kills roll in, and even if we lynch vain>WBG right after, it will be 3v2 which is VERY difficult for town to win in. You can't wait to see flips at this point you have think it all out like you just did and act.

weird. I'm almost 100% certain that we'll be at 7v3 after lynching you. I think you forgot to subtract the one.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
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