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Everytime I see TL Mafia L in the sidebar I get my hopes up that the game is about to start... | ||
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Best of luck to everyone! Let's make this game one that we'll remember for a really long time; one worthy of it's number! | ||
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I am going to wait for everyone to show up to see if there are any more candidates before I make my decision as to who to vote for. Everyone needs to keep in mind that the mafia will have at least one of their players run in the elections. It's possible that they might choose two players to run in a bid to take Mayor AND Sheriff. I am NOT running for mayor. The more candidates we have, the easier it will be for the mafia to slip their choice(s) by us. After the elections are finished we need to carefully inspect the voting records. Consider also, that the Sheriff role might be more desirable for the mafia to control. Both roles are good, but having the weight of 3 votes means that the mafia will always have to justify their lynch votes and that's harder than justifying who to incarcerate. With all that said, I FULLY SUPPORT the elected Mayor choosing another candidate as their lynch target. The number of candidates will be low and I expect the mafia will have at least one player running. As long as we choose an intelligent mayor, the odds are good that we draw first blood. Finally, I would like official confirmation: Can the elected players be roleblocked? Also, is it possible to vote for Double Lynch on Day 1? | ||
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On January 13 2012 19:28 Bill Murray wrote: Speaking of Meapak, I am really getting a village idiot vibe from him. His criticism of Nissani has me wondering if he is a VI or if he is scum trying to push an easy lynch. Nissani's complaining about the mayoral candidates is actually my strongest towntell from the thread so far. I'm also like Adam. Recently, I've been vibing Cyber_Cheese as town. I like his attacking Mr.Wiggles for setup speculation. On January 13 2012 05:38 flamewheel wrote: No. There are 50. Role PMs will be sent out tonight, game will start tomorrow. Unless I'm mistaken, he can't be Village Idiot. So let's stop this discussion now before it spirals out of control. | ||
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On January 13 2012 19:41 Adam4167 wrote: This hasn't been mentioned yet and I think it deserves to be: Electing our best scum hunters so they can use the bodyguards as shields is just inviting the scum to wipe out both of our elected officials after they replace our bodyguards with their own. If they kill both officials on night 1, we'll never know who the scummy bodyguards were and we'll be down 2 of our best scum hunters and both of our elected roles. Id prefer if our best scum hunters didn't run for election, and left their protection in the hands of the sheriff/medic. There are ways around this. Remember the elected roles know who the bodyguards are. If one is killed at night and one of them survives, we'll know who 2 of the mafia are. As long as everyone is on the ball and put some thought into their play, we'll come out on top. | ||
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Here's my analysis on this: Case 1) 2 x Town Bodyguard As long as one of the Bodyguards is alive, our elected officials are protected. They will not require protection before the Bodyguards are killed thus freeing a Medic to do something else. If a player dedicates themselves to protecting a Bodyguard until they die, then the elected officials are protected as well. Case 2) 1 x Town Bodyguard If the mafia kills the Town Bodyguard then the elected officials are vulnerable. However, if the elected officials are targetted we will have learned that the other Bodyguard is mafia. Not a good trade, but at least we don't come away with nothing. Case 3) 0 x Town Bodyguard Here, if either of the elected officials are killed before the Bodyguards are both lynched, we'll have confirmed mafia. | ||
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On January 14 2012 00:38 kitaman27 wrote: KJ's bodyguards should claim plan is incredibly poor. So is Jackal's. Even if the scum team did subsititute all three bodyguards, they still have to worry about a electoral official being a vet, which would cost them 3 scum or that one of the bodyguards wasn't jailed, which would also cost them 3 scum. First, there are only 2 Bodyguards. Second, I agree with you about Jackal's comment about lynching a Bodyguard. Third, you're actually agreeing with me in essence. I'm saying that if they sneak in a Bodyguard, it will be risky to take out the elected officials. However, to make it harder for them, they should be revealed from the beginning. What if both elected officials are killed and we have 0 clue as to who the Bodyguards were? Are you okay with that risk? Finally, are you stating for the record that if you were elected, you would not reveal your Bodyguards? | ||
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I'm going to reiterate, that I support the Bodyguards being made public. There was a point raised earlier which suggested that if this plan were carried through, the elected officials would be more vulnerable. I don't think that is the case. I have already stated my reasoning but here is the idea again. If at least one of the Bodyguards is Town, then they player has to die before our Mayor and/or Sheriff are vulnerable. If both Bodyguards die, everyone will be on guard and can then start to protect the elected officials. If at most one dies, then the Mayor and/or Sheriff are still safe. Why? Because the mafia will have to trade at least one of their own to kill the Mayor and/or Sheriff. Next, I think the Mass Mason Roleclaim is a terrible plan. The mafia know the roles of 10 players out of 50, namely, their own players. If all of the Masons claim, then they know the roles of more players in the game. If they can, they will target our powerful Blue roles, like Town Jack, Medic, Detective. Why are you guys okay with helping them to narrow down their targets? | ||
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If he uses his Mason power on Day 1 to establish his credibility and then is subsequently elected to office, we will not be able to find the mafia Jack. It is a risk, but I know that BC will take that risk. He is very much a medium-risk, high-reward player. EVERYONE! WHAT HAPPENS IF BLOODYC0BBLER IS MAFIA JACK? I consider this scenario involving BC to be within his bag of tricks, and I will not vote to elect him into office. | ||
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On January 13 2012 16:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Vote for BC, vote for accountable and vocal leadership. We should be holding BC accountable for Palmar's lynch. BC has been engaging in discussions with sandroba behind the scenes. Because of this, they have formed some sort of agreement. On January 15 2012 06:05 sandroba wrote: I'll vote BC since we came to a compromise in pms. Gotta roll. ##Vote: BloodyC0bbler I can infer that the choice to lynch Palmar was also a topic of discussion between them. We should scrutinize their relationship so that we can judge for ourselves whether BC or sandroba was the spearhead of this lynch. BloodyC0bbler: be accountable for your lynch. Summarize for us what you and sandroba have been discussing. | ||
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On January 16 2012 07:29 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Mr. Wiggles' Mason Circle Plan ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/9mJtN.png) A Visual Representation Hey, because people all decided to claim mason for some reason, what do we think about making a mason circle? Let's say we have: Mason A Mason B Mason C Mason D Mason E Who I will refer to solely by letter from now on. The circle would work like this: A masons with B, B masons with C, C masons with D, D masons with E, and then E could either mason with A, or another player. This effectively creates a two way line of communication with all our masons. In other words, it creates a pseudo-mason circle. This will allow our claimed masons to talk to each other, as a group, thus increasing their effectiveness. As well, this allows the same people to talk to each other day after day, simply by switching the order of the masoning. Additionally, this solves the problem of either ignoring masons, or worrying about mafia influence through talking to masons. With this plan, each mason should be passing on each message they receive, so all information will be disseminated in the chain, and it increases the likelihood of catching any scum mason who has claimed. This plan relies chiefly, that all claimed masons will be active and diligent in passing on their PMs. If any mason is found to be active in thread, but not passing on their PMs, or having a sharp drop in activity and thus not allowing the circle to function, then we should consider them for a vig shot or lynch. Next, there is the problem of a scum mason editing the messages he receives in order to sow confusion. First, we must agree that all masons will simply copy+paste any message they receive. Next, we have several options depending on what kind of circle we use. If we have all masons mason each other, with no extra people, then we have a circle. So, each mason will simply pass his message along, with any additional text, in the same direction that his PM has been going. If he wants to respond directly to the person who PMed him, then he can send the PM in both directions. How this will work, is that everyone will always pass on each message they receive, until it reaches them again, at which time, they will compare the PM to their original and check for differences. (This program will help: http://www.sourcegear.com/diffmerge/ ) If they find any differences, then they will say so in the thread, and each mason will post their respective PM. Then, we search for the origin of the discrepancy. Scum will be hesitant to actually fake a discrepancy with their original PM, as it will essentially be trading one-for-one. Also, town has NO reason to doctor PMs they send out in the mason circle. If we have all masons mason each other, but then add in an extra person to the circle, so that it's a line with two ends, we will have to use a different method to check for sinister editing. The first is that we post all PMs publicly in the thread. This reduces the effectiveness of the circle, but is the safest method for checking that all PMs were sent in their original form and remained intact. The other method, is for the two people at each end of the line to ask questions about certain PMs. It will be unlikely that both of them are scum, and if they are, they should only remain at the end of the line for one day. If they fake editing and we kill a couple of town masons, then we'll just cull the entire circle, as again, town has NO reason to doctor PMs they send out in the mason circle, so it must mean there are multiple mafia in the circle, or the extra people added to the circle were mafia. In this form of a line, each person will either send a PM in one direction if they don't add anything to it, or in both directions if the do. This again ensures that all players in the circle receive all PMs. So, that's my plan for salvaging all the mason claims and creating a powerful tool for the town. We have two ways we can implement this. Either we go with a line, which is slightly more effective, as it allows an extra person into the circle, or we go with a circle, which is much safer. In my opinion, using the circle method is the better choice, for while the circle will be smaller, it lets us check much more easily for mafia influence, and the dissemination of information should proceed much more smoothly. This is open for discussion though. What do people think? This is not a good idea. If the players involved in the Mason chain are known, it is too easy to disrupt by the mafia. This will inject chaos into the thread which we absolutely do not need. Furthermore, if there is at least one mafia Mason in the chain, it will give the mafia even more information that they can use. They can find out about any plans being made ahead of time. This will give them time to mobilize and counter-plan. I don't support this idea at all. In fact, even with all of the claims so far, I still do not support the mass Mason claim. | ||
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On January 16 2012 09:51 Jitsu wrote: Why should we have it summarized? Wouldn't posting the logs be better? Since there is discussion of all the Mason's doing it, why not have all the Mason's do it? Why was Mattchew modkilled? Maybe I misunderstood the situation. | ||
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Why do I think this? There was a lot of chaos during Day 1. It started out with some decent speculation and debate as to who should be elected and why. Although there were a large number of candidates, certain candidates were becoming clear leaders in the race. After BC's mason plan and claim, the environment of the thread quickly spiralled out of control. From a focussed discussion of who to elect, we observed multiple mason claims, several nonsensical posts and a drop in the useful posts-to-noise ratio. Either the level of Town play is low (which I don't believe, based on the experience of the player list involved) or the mafia arrived in earnest. At the end of the day, there was a surge in votes cementing BC as Mayor over BM, who was elected as sheriff. It is WIFOM to discuss which role is more desirable for the current mafia family so I will stop here. Instead of constantly looking for scumslips in every vote. Step back and think about the day's events. What did the players ATTEMPT to do? What did the players ACCOMPLISH? For Day 2, we ABSOLUTELY need to get back on track. There's going to be a lot of discussion I'm sure due to the night actions but don't lose sight of what we learned in Day 1. Finally, the degree to which we hold BC and BM accountable should increase! BC claimed Mason. BC proposed a mass Mason claim. BC claimed to Mason sandroba. BC and sandroba reached 'a compromise'. BC used his Mayoral right to choose the Day 1 lynch and chose Palmar. We can no longer check BC's role and/or alignment. If BC's mass Mason claim was so pro-town, what did it actually accomplish? It wasn't very well thought out. Even if he is Town-aligned, it injected so much chaos into this game, that players are struggling to keep up. Weaker mafia can slip in a few posts here and there and we'll never even notice if they mess up. BC: tell us what you think your plan accomplished? Why did you suggest a plan that inherently would cause the Town to go in circles? Also, BM previously supported my idea to reveal the Bodyguards. Do you support this proposal? Will you give up their names after the night is over? | ||
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On January 16 2012 10:09 Mr. Wiggles wrote: KJ, what do you propose the claimed masons do then? I don't see them being very effective right now, and how does not forming a circle stop mafia from injecting chaos into the thread, or gaining additional information? Instead, they'll just use their masons in a coordinated fashion to target as many different players as they can, while our masons will flounder due to all the confusion and chaos surrounding the role stemming from the day 1 discussion. There is no difference between my plan, and a normal PM game or game with a mason circle in it, besides that the masons have to pass on communications. Would you not support masons in a circle discussing in another game where they started in a circle, because there might be scum in it? In fact, if there's a scum in the circle, all the better, because the town members should be able to sniff them out and get them lynched. The Masons should do what Masons always do. Why should their actions and choices be dictated by someone else? Masons: pick a partner, harass them for 3 days straight and report to us if you found someone suspicious. Be smart. Make plans inside of plans and don't give up everything to your partner just because they seem pro-Town. Masons: feel free to make mistakes. Finally, who is the player that continues to suggest that Town Masons suck? Oh, that's right. BC. Instead of providing advice as a vet, he undermines their confidence in themselves. "Hey Town Masons. I know you really suck, so instead of using your roles properly, why don't you just tell us who you are? Furthermore, don't even think about hiding yourself just in case you're actually a super-experienced Town Mason. If you claim later, we'll just lynch you!" - a synopsis of BC's Mason plan Wait a second... I thought BC was supposed to be our Mayor? Why is he making it harder for the Town to protect our power roles and easier for mafia to muddy up the thread? BC has made some very bad decisions for the Town. I am undecided as to his alignment, but we should all be wary of him and compare what he proposes to what he accomplishes. | ||
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On January 16 2012 10:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Masons can only talk to someone for 1 cycle when they mason them, and never again. So, they can't harass someone for three days straight, like you want them to. The longest they can try to get information out of someone is one cycle, which is barely long at all. Making a circle lets them talk to the same people for multiple days, though. A cycle is a Day and Night. That's 3 days in real time. That's what I meant. Suppose there 10% of the players are Masons. Making a circle means that you get to talk to the same 5 people over and over. Further suppose, of the 5 players, only 1 is mafia. There are 9 more out there to find. In a 50 player game, it would be nice to have the ability to speak privately to more people over the course of the game. More discussion will give more information. More information will lead to better lynches. Masons should have been left alone to do what they're supposed to do. BC screwed it up big time. | ||
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It is entirely within my right to scrutinze you. You put yourself out there when you decided to run for an elected position. In fact, that was one of your pillars on which you ran your candidacy. I have never suggested or supported the lynching of your Bodyguards. As long there are precautions taken to give us the names of the Bodyguards in the event of your or BM's early demise, I am fine with it. However, since I respect your abilities to succeed as scum, I don't trust your intentions. I don't trust your actions. I don't trust your plans. Mafia is a game of information. The control of information is crucial to both sides. In a game with so many posts, information can be lost or buried so easily. Instead, look at our actions and discuss what they accomplished. I am very vocal about the Bodyguards being made public. What was the purpose? To ensure that we at least come out even if the Mayor and/or Sheriff were killed prematurely. I am very vocal against the idea that Masons should mass claim. Why? To allow experienced Masons to work unhampered and be able to disseminate any information in the future without fear of being lynched upon surfacing. I summarize a big-picture look at the major events of Day 1 in an effort to help re-focus the Town. I can't do it by myself but that is the best, pro-Town move that we can all do, other than to find a scum. What have you done? You ran a candidacy based on accountability. You re-iterated that all elected officials be watched carefully. You pushed a calm Town into a frenzy with your Mason claim, (which can no longer be verified). You initiated a mass Mason plan which effectively hamstrings any Masons who want to work in private. You lynched a Town player with input based on some compromise that we can't see. All I'm asking is that you be accountable to your election platform and to your actions. Stop trying to start a fight. Give us your PM logs. | ||
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On January 16 2012 11:59 Kenpachi wrote: i think you're mafia blahz0r On January 16 2012 12:00 Kenpachi wrote: oh shit i posted this without refreshing l0l. but yeah i was referring to this post + Show Spoiler + On January 16 2012 11:04 blahz0r wrote: So you went from liking him to not liking him because of the people he likes. Now you want to lynch him? Yes you did say a little about it but all you have now is a feeling. Why did it go from people he trusted to just a feeling? Go back to bum. Is he MAFIA or not? Can you explain more besides this "I got this bad feeling because so and so are together". I'd like to believe you but there is uncertainty for now. Is there also a possibility that one of them could be town led astray? Still reading a day or two worth of text =\ I reached similar conclusions based on that post as well. blahz0r | ||
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blahz0r, you are attempting to justify your choice for tomorrow's lynch. Since, you as mafia, NEED AN EXCUSE to vote, you just dug around looking for someone, anyone, to cast suspicion on. You're also not doing it very convincingly. mafia: blahz0r | ||
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On January 16 2012 12:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: What is interesting however is that you have not voiced a single thought on what I actually did in regards to making sure bgs are outed should both myself and bm die. Wrong. On January 16 2012 11:59 kingjames01 wrote: I have never suggested or supported the lynching of your Bodyguards. As long there are precautions taken to give us the names of the Bodyguards in the event of your or BM's early demise, I am fine with it. However, since I respect your abilities to succeed as scum, I don't trust your intentions. I don't trust your actions. I don't trust your plans. Town, Here are some major assumptions to question: If BC is Town-aligned, then why hasn't he been working on BM? Does he think the mafia DID NOT GET A SINGLE CANDIDATE ELECTED? BC: Do you think that the mafia entered into the election race? Do you think that they succeeded? What do you think about BM's alignment? Be accountable. You asked for the spotlight. Convince me that you are pro-Town because the result of your actions show otherwise. | ||
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On January 16 2012 12:25 Protactinium wrote: HEY GUESS WHO FLIPPED MAFIA Sandroba is obviously innocent now. ##Vote Macpo Protactinium, you voted for a Double Lynch. Do you have a read on a second player? | ||
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On January 17 2012 06:39 Nisani201 wrote: Why would a scum use bullshit to support a townie campaign? On January 17 2012 06:45 VisceraEyes wrote: Why would scum support a townie campaign? Hmmmmmmm? What are you guys talking about? I don't understand if you are being sarcastic or not. However, MAFIA NEED EXCUSES TO VOTE. It doesn't matter if they vote for or against Town. They will always need an excuse because they KNOW who isn't mafia. It is very common for mafia to pretend to support Town-aligned players. It was a very good tell that Ciryandor was looking for a reason to cast his vote. At the time he claimed that Mr. Wiggles (who he knew to be Town) had the best campaign. He stated no other explanation. There was no comparison between the various platforms. It was simply an excuse to cast his vote. | ||
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You incarcerated Lanaia during Night 1. Why did you choose her? Also, why do you think you saved her from death? She received no such notification. Do you believe that the mafia joined the election Day 1 and do you think that they succeeded to take at least one of the roles? Have you taken also precautions so that in the event of BC and/or your early demise, the Bodyguards will be revealed to the thread? | ||
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On January 17 2012 10:07 Bill Murray wrote: BC is mafia I am voting BC I have been masoned by 2 people, NONE OF THEM ARE OPZ OR BC Wait, what's your proof that BC is mafia? I have strong suspicions but do you have anything more than this: On January 17 2012 10:10 Bill Murray wrote: i am CERTAIN 1 of OpZ or BC are mafia, now, and who else to elect mayor if not the mafia jack? On January 17 2012 10:10 Bill Murray wrote: WBG I am trying to jail to lower their KP Say L was roleblocked and Lanaia was jailed WHAT IF BOTH ARE MAFIA? Also, mafia needed to have lost the use of 3 members to reduce their KP last night. Does the death of Ciryandor affect their KP? I'm under the impression that it did not. | ||
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On January 17 2012 10:11 Bill Murray wrote: has Sandroba claimed mason? sandroba has not claimed Mason. BC chose sandroba as his target Day 1. | ||
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On January 17 2012 10:15 Toadesstern wrote: no sandroba has not claimed mason. mattchew was one, BC claimed mason, opz claimed mason and jitsu according to my notes but I don't have a link to that one so I'm not sure if jitsu is right but I there's no reason to doubt that for me :p That is correct. Jitsu claimed here: Jitsu's Mason claim | ||
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On January 17 2012 11:42 Bill Murray wrote: 2 people who are masons are mafia together the sandroba lynch gives us a lot of information What do you mean by this? Are you saying there are 2 mafia Masons? I don't understand. | ||
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On January 17 2012 12:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Anyone discussing currently to lynch protrac or sandroba, quit it. At the moment the two of them have done far more pro town behaviour this game than most of you. The case of roba is retarded beyond belief and in my head is being tunneled by people massively attempting to bury all content posted on both macpo and ggq. This could also refer to king james as he was called out early into the day. What does the bolded part mean? When was I called out? Are you saying that you've finally decided that I'm Town? | ||
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On January 17 2012 12:14 VisceraEyes wrote: BILL MURRAY TELL ME THE NUMBER OF MAFIA THAT ARE MASONS PLEASE!!! Stop spamming the thread. Town: At the moment, we're going around in circles arguing who to lynch, with "my choice is better than your choice" and "why aren't you listening to me?" We need to begin consolidating our lynch candidates so that we can remain focussed for the next day. I am going to list some of the players that I have deemed to be somewhat suspicious. However, in the interest of not fracturing the Town, I will wait to push their lynch. Nevertheless, their names will remain recorded here. This information may turn out to be useful if everything works out. 4. Slardar 15. L 22. rgTheSchworz 27. BloodyC0bbler 30. blahz0r 39. hiro protagonist 49. Scamp Also, BC, your voice and votes are important because they carry more weight. What is your plan for the next day? Who do you wish to lynch? | ||
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Bill Murray incarcerated Lanaia. mafia attempted to kill: Kurumi, Mr. Wiggles, GiygaS, kitaman27. They succeeded on the first 3 players. kitaman27 survived the hit. Kurumim shot Ciryandor. Here are several posts showing that Kurumi believed Ciryandor to be mafia. On January 14 2012 01:28 Kurumi wrote: Is the Ciryandor quote the classic "scumslip" or am I mistaken, since "waiting for Wiggles" then "Wiggles has the best campaign?" besides, <generic things> <vote for me> is not good enough to earn a vote. On January 14 2012 01:43 Kurumi wrote: You're consistent, good. Given that that's a huge game and we've got no special means of removing lurkers, do You find it logical to have a decent amount of KP on town's side? Do You think that Ciry will try to feign inactivity today? On January 14 2012 20:21 Kurumi wrote: Wait, You want Incog elected and Ciry killed or both of them killed? and of course, From Occam's Razor I had already assumed that Kurumi was the vigilante responsible for Ciryandor's death. I recall encountering some doubt after the Day 2 Post. Also, I don't want the idle speculation about whether the mafia used one of their KPs on Ciryandor. Finally, kitaman27: I read through your filter again but don't see an updated suspect list. Since I believe that you were targetted for death last night, I am very interested to hear who you would like to lynch Day 2. | ||
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Town: kitaman27 was shot Night 1 which accounts for the last mafia KP. We can trust what he says without worrying if he's lying to us. He may be wrong, but he's pro-Town. On January 17 2012 14:37 kitaman27 wrote: I find it interesting that masons are more interested in getting reads off the Sheriff than to have a chat with the guy that just got shot. Everyone is talking about how dangerous masons can be because of the possibility that one of the two players could be scum, yet nobody wants to take advantage of having a conversation without that possibility? I'm hurt  BM, there has been quite a drop off in your play from day one to day two. Do you honestly believe it is easier to identify a scum that will be shooting than it is to identify a town that will be shot? No more nonsense with your sheriff role please. I feel it was a poor decision to share the bodyguard identities, that will only lead to problems down the road. Your focus on masons concerns me and I'm having difficulty following you at times. bugs, your current vote explanation is extremely weak. What happened to the Scamp case? Yet that's what your actions say. Do you care who gets lynched or are you just along for the ride? There are people in this game that have been so irrelevant, they're not even worthy of being brought up as lurkers. Cwave, BrownBear (?!), Munk-E, Slardar, rtgICEMAN, Maxella, igabod (or whoever his replacement was). You guys are harming the game by not playing. If you don't contribute, we're eventually going to get to a point where all the active players have been killed off and the only way to distinguish players is whether they made two posts or three. If your name is listed and you are town, please don't disappoint. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here are my thoughts about my lynch preference for today, L. He never mentions a serious lynch candidate on day one. That is not one of his priorities. His entire focus is on the election and discussing other trivial matters. His approach to the election is not to comment on the election candidates or share his opinion on them as individuals, but to discredit them in a broad sense. He explains numerous times how there is probably a scum within the frontrunners, but never indicates which one. He apparently has no opinion on BC's mason fiasco, nor ever mentions the campaigns of prot or BM. In addition, you go out of your way to discredit Foolishness on numerous occasions. Instead of selecting one of the frontrunners, he supports VE with the following statement: Obviously role has nothing to do with alignment. You even reference this fact later on in one of your posts. The goal of the Jack is not to confirm his role. Any means of attempting to confirm his role only takes away from his ability to use his role in a pro-town fashion. Now on to your first actual scum suspect: Essentially your entire argument comes down to Kurumi hinted that he might shoot Kenpachi. I find it incredibly odd that you have decided that it is more likely that Kenpachi was saved by the mafia jack, than it is for kurumi to have not shot last night. From my perspective, if the mafia team was truly worried about kurumi shooting kenpachi, they don't waste a JACK ability, they bury the roleblock with the kurumi hit. Essentially your explanation is that mafia decided to give up a kp (Jack role use) in exchange for being able to roleblock you. That's not something I buy. ##Vote L kitaman27: Kurumi shot Ciryandor. On January 17 2012 13:45 kingjames01 wrote: If no more information is revealed in the game, then this is what we know about the Night 1 actions. Bill Murray incarcerated Lanaia. mafia attempted to kill: Kurumi, Mr. Wiggles, GiygaS, kitaman27. They succeeded on the first 3 players. kitaman27 survived the hit. Kurumim shot Ciryandor. Here are several posts showing that Kurumi believed Ciryandor to be mafia. and of course, From Occam's Razor I had already assumed that Kurumi was the vigilante responsible for Ciryandor's death. I recall encountering some doubt after the Day 2 Post. Also, I don't want the idle speculation about whether the mafia used one of their KPs on Ciryandor. Finally, kitaman27: I read through your filter again but don't see an updated suspect list. Since I believe that you were targetted for death last night, I am very interested to hear who you would like to lynch Day 2. I also believe L to be mafia and I'm glad that you agree. | ||
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On January 17 2012 22:34 Toadesstern wrote: Ok I'm awake / re. As mentioned, sandroba has not enough supporters so I'm switching votes. I still don't see how sandroba is NOT fitting foolish's analysis as well but I won't get you on sandroba at this point so I'd might just help you lynch macpo and lynch you all afterwards if this turns out to be wrong. Alright, have to run to TA but this post alone makes me think that you're mafia. FOS: Toadesstern | ||
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I had such a long day and I'm too tired to sit here and read through the posts I missed. I'm actually surprised that the day ended so early. I'll be up in the morning and I'll catch up then. Good job on the Macpo lynch guys! | ||
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Consider what I've posted and what my intentions were. When the Town was pushing for Macpo, I voted for L. If I really was mafia, why would I not just hide myself and join the bandwagon? Voting for someone DIFFERENT put me out there. Furthermore, I voted for a mafia! So was I attempting to bus L so that I could earn Town cred? He wasn't even close to being lynched. I vote for who I think is mafia. That's just the way I play. When the Town was going in circles, I cut to the heart of the situation and summarized why I thought we had a chaotic day. I believed then and I still believe now that mafia must have attempted to win an elected position. I put pressure on BloodyC0bbler because I perceived him to be, at least partially, responsible for the confusion from Day 1. I continued to question BC and BM's about the DIFFERENCES between their STATED goals and their ACTUAL effects on the game. Just because more well-known players say that I am suspicious doesn't mean that I am. Think for yourselves! Look at what I've done. Players attempt to draw me out into an argument. Why am I not using that opportunity to muddle up the thread? Look back on my previous games. If I want to, I can dominate pages of this game just arguing. THAT IS NOT PRO-TOWN. I am not acting against the Town. I have not been killed because the mafia want to set me up for a mis-lynch. I am pro-Town. Don't let anyone tell you different. | ||
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There are a few vocal voices pushing this agenda: Protactinium, BloodyC0bbler and Foolishness being the Big 3. I wanted to find proof that Foolishness is mafia but reading through his filter coupled with the timing of each post has turned up nothing. The content of his posts, as well as, the intent and the results garnered by his posts seem innocent enough. He had many opportunities to sow confusion and disrupt the game, but he never joined in with, propagated nor instigated chaos in the Town. He might be too clean to be Town, but if that's his gameplan, then he's pro-Town for now. Alright, I'm moving on to Protactinium. | ||
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It isn't that they are picking the right players to target, it's that they go right to the crux of the post itself. They are scumhunting based on intent which is the right way to play. The only thing that I can conclude is that Protactinium is pro-Town. HOWEVER, when reading through their posts, I am VERY surprised that they missed p4NDemik. They quoted the exact post that made me look at his filter. I am repeating it here: p4NDemik reveals his true nature On January 17 2012 06:02 p4NDemik wrote: Nisani your argument is actually pretty compelling. I'm also extremely suspicious of Protactinium now. Especially considering that Ciryandor actually was "torn" about voting for him after he came on so hard for his own lynch. Prot came on hard with a long accusation, to which Ciryandor posted no reply for 2 days. I don't understand why Prot wouldn't find it suspicious at all that someone who he so adamantly accused a day ago was now considering his corner without even speaking to his accusation. I feel like one thing that very consistently annoys town (especially someone who is trying to be high-profile and win an election) is when their questions go unanswered, and we have a clear cut case of it here. Even if your focus changes to another person who you think is more likely mafia you still don't let someone completely off the hook like that. Nisani's argument was not compelling. This was just an attempt to establish a base-line for future votes. In fact, after this brief period of doubt, p4NDemik never EVER again engages Protactinium. Let's all take a look through his filter together: A statement that says he has no real position on anything. On January 14 2012 10:43 p4NDemik wrote: OK so I just finished reading everything from the start of the game yesterday to this point in time. I hate getting behind like this as last game I played I was a sub and was even farther in the dark. Nevertheless moving forward! So, I'm going to side-step all this mason talk a bit because I have never played a mafia game with this role. I don't know whether it is stronger in the hands of town or in the hands of mafia etc. The only thing I'll say about it is that mass-claim sounds like a really bad idea to me. Whatever power (that I have yet to see in action) we take out of the mafia's hands we give them more in that they have an even better picture about town structure and where other blue roles may lie. I'd like to discuss who I'm going to support for mayor but honestly all of this mason talk has completely sidetracked my thought process while reading and now I'm gonna have to go back and go through filters. Before BC came out as mayor I have to admit I was leaning towards his corner but now I'm going to reassess everyone's candidacies before I cast my ballot. Provides an excuse to cast a vote with no real substance. On January 15 2012 10:14 p4NDemik wrote: It's taking me like 2-3 hours a day to catch up on what I've missed while I slept and was out during the day. -_- Anyways its due time to be voting for mayor and I'm going to throw in my vote for Protactinium. For reasons very similar to Sheth's I'm happy to vote for someone who isn't distracting town with this discussion about masons, isn't idiotically outing himself, or had his initial candidacy proposed by someone other than himself. He seems focused on getting mafia and that's what I want in a mayor. The obligatory "I KNEW Palmar was Town!" post. Also a 'promise' to scum-hunt which we will see has no truth to it. On January 15 2012 16:36 p4NDemik wrote: Quite funny as miller he was acting exactly like his apparent scum meta (or so said WBG and crew). Every time you guys went to meta it just further cemented in my mind he wasn't. If he was mafia surely he would change something up, whereas he was so unabashedly arrogant about his style it seemed clear it was either a) an intentional play to get a rise out of fellow vets and gauge their reaction, or b) he really just didn't want to deal with this nearly 60 page clusterfuck that was day 1. Tomorrow I'll have to look through all the cases built against Palmar to see if there is actually anything to glean from this but I really doubt there is much. At the least though it should help get some reads on his accusers. The "Don't look at me! I don't know really know what I'm doing" post. On January 16 2012 07:36 p4NDemik wrote: Since someone pointed out earlier that my filter wasn't working correctly I'll provide it here. Hopefully that works, otherwise I'm not sure why it wouldn't be functioning properly. I'm not sure how I'm really confirmed town in anyone's eyes either as I've been more or less fairly inactive compared to many of the veterans that post in here. You're right in that pretty much my only focus was the election and I explained my reasoning for that: I've never played in a game with masons, I don't have personal experience to draw upon in the argument as to whether it is a role used better in the hands of town or mafia, and due to this I found the whole debate about them to be quite detrimental to what should have been the main goal in my mind. There was also a large fuss made about this Palmar lynch which however WBG want's to portray it was, in my eyes, 100% based on a meta that I had no knowledge of and therefore didn't care to speak to, either for or against. I don't see how my focus on the mayoral election is really a bad thing. I wish we had more of it and less extraneous mason talk now. Next we'll see that he has a very long string of posts where all he does is question other players with no real intent to find scum. These ones are especially funny. On January 16 2012 15:27 p4NDemik wrote: evantrees what the hell just happened a few posts ago you are saying how its too early for a double lynch now you're voting for it all of the sudden. On January 17 2012 06:10 p4NDemik wrote: Protactinium can you speak to why you didn't follow up at all on your original plan to lynch Ciryandor? No follow-up questions after he became active like a day and a half after you accused him? Going back your campaign looks like 100% presentation with little actual pro-town behavior going on in between them. I'm a bit ashamed now that I actually got caught up in those big flashy posts and didn't question you actions (or lack there of) in between. On January 17 2012 08:22 p4NDemik wrote: Toad can you please be less ambiguous are you talking about Proact or Sandro? On January 17 2012 08:41 p4NDemik wrote: WBG why are you all of the sudden posting in 3rd person? That's like the most suspicious thing I've ever seen lol. Now I need to read your entire filter. On January 17 2012 09:02 p4NDemik wrote: Repeat. wherebugsgo: Why are you all of the sudden posting in 3rd person? On January 17 2012 09:06 p4NDemik wrote: People speaking in 3rd person is odd in all walks of life man. You haven't done anything similar to this all game so I find it very strange. On January 17 2012 09:10 p4NDemik wrote: And you referred to yourself in the 3rd person, even if you weren't narrating the entire post that was it is a marked diversion from how you were previously posting and I don't like it. I don't like it one bit I say! On January 17 2012 09:20 p4NDemik wrote: No. I'm most definitely getting carried away with this but I'm not joking. This one even comes with an appeal to sympathy. "Stop picking on me! I don't get it!" On January 17 2012 09:34 p4NDemik wrote: Kenpachi can you stop trying to make me feel like I'm an idiot and explain to me why I am an idiot. Actually explain anything please because you seem to have done nothing in the grand scheme of things. The remainder of his posts can be summarized as follows: + Show Spoiler + That's right, a real load of nothing. No real comment on the state of the game or its atmosphere. Some superfluous scum-hunting. More justification to cast his vote. Conclusion: p4NDemik is mafia. PS. Protactinium I did a quick check. I didn't play in TL Mafia XXXVIII. That doesn't invalidate your argument, I assume that you made a mistake on the number of the game. On January 17 2012 06:19 Protactinium wrote: kingjames In this game, kingjames proposes that bodyguards be made public, posts a consideration that BC may be the mafia jack, and then disappears. A fear mongering post that asks what happens if BC is red, with no opinion or followup. Another case of apathy. Contrast this with TL Mafia XXXVIII where instantly gives strong opinions on some of the proposed policy plans (random lynching, zodiac lists), immediately jumps into trying to find mafia, posts some detailed analyses, and does a lot of poking and prodding. In this game, kingjames does not attempt to find mafia. He instead discusses outing bodyguards, and casts doubt on BC without providing any opinion. The key thing to note is that in contrast to his town play where he is outgoing and analytical, his posts in this game are very subdued, seem artificial and feel overly planned. | ||
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On January 19 2012 18:30 Cwave wrote: Went through your filter Kingjames and found this interesting. Now that the election is long over, how do you feel about this post(which you posted prior to the election). Still think BG's should claim? Vocal meaning? I never said THEY should claim. I supported the Mayor and/or the Sheriff releasing their names. The reasoning was laid out multiple times. However, I'm satisfied that the names are out there in one form or another. | ||
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On January 19 2012 17:40 p4NDemik wrote: Protactinium is regularly catching mafia. So yeah, I haven't been calling him out or anything. If he keeps giving targets that flip red I'm going to continue to think he's pretty green. I don't know why this post drew you to me. Day 1 during the Mayor vote we had like 20 pages of useless Mason talk, so I spoke to that, what little bit I could but mostly I was disappointed as I said it was very difficult to focus on who was the best candidate during that mess. Yes I didn't make a stand at that exact moment but it was very difficult to do so at the time. The thread was in ruins. Again I don't see what you are trying to prove by showing my reasoning for voting Protactinium for mayor. I feel that while it isn't the most verbose explanation it is very to the point and says exactly why the other candidates were deficient. It doesn't leave anything to the imagination. I wanted to get a mayor who wanted to hang some mafia members and I voted for one who is 2 for 2 thus far. As for the Palmar thing, yeah it doesn't help so much when you say "I told you so!" after the fact but I couldn't help myself. The lynch Palmar drive based on meta didn't sit well with me and that was another big factor why I voted for Protactinium. I know I made a promise to go through the thread again, but sometimes I just have to get away from this game it is very time consuming as is and eventually you have to pull yourself away to do other things. That said, I feel I just presented a very strong case and we have 2 for-sure mafia who just exposed themselves in BM and supersoft. I trust that town will see these two for what they really are and take them down. In the next quote I am not using this "I'm a n00b" defense at all. Kitaman raises a question about why I didn't care about masons/Palmar meta discussion and instead only cared about the election. I told him I don't have experience with masons and I have never played with Palmar to know the meta that the lynch was based upon. But I never said "I'm a n00b." You're really grasping at straws here if that's what you got out of it. Now you list a hoarde of posts that are short questions. I saw what I thought were questionable actions by players. In a few of the cases they were misunderstandings and mistakes in reading what was posted. They were very real. I thought wherebugsgo made a serious slip for a second and voted for him but I was proven wrong and shown that he was just paraphrasing what someone else said. It wasn't obvious and it was quite confusing as there was no context given. Kenpachi swoops in being the troll he is and gets under my skin a little. I'm human. Whoop de doo. My case against you is not predicated on your support for or against Protactinium. My suspicion against your formed when I read that you thought Nisani presented a "pretty compelling" argument against Protactinium when in fact he did not. When I then look through the remainder of your posts it becomes clear that you spend an inordinate amount of time committing to nothing, attempting to justify your lynch votes and never any actual scum-hunting. On January 19 2012 17:46 p4NDemik wrote: If this is the best mafia can do to discredit me then that's pretty sad. We have them on the ropes townies don't let up on the pressure. BM and supersoft clearly are into some dirty business here. On January 19 2012 19:47 p4NDemik wrote: I'm headed to bed please read over my case against supersoft and BM I'm convinced we have a 2 for 2 day here and I hope everyone can see through whatever weak accusations kingjames brought against me. I don't know what his intentions are or if he is trying to get his buddies out of a tight spot but the best part is we've still got like 40 hours to analyze further suspects after we decide on this lynch. We're getting close guys, should have their KP reduced even more very soon! You're not one of us. Your posts and your actions make that clear. Is it a weak accusation to say that you don't ever attempt to help to improve the condition/atmosphere of the Town? Is it a weak accusation to say that you don't ever take a solid stand to outlining your position on major issues? Is it a weak accusation to say that you don't have not done any real public scum-hunting? | ||
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On January 20 2012 00:24 jaj22 wrote: @Lanaia: You want Bill to blow up two of Foolishness/Protact/BC? What? Do YOU want Bill Murray to blow up two of those 3? Analyse Foolishness and Protactinium for yourself. They ARE and HAVE BEEN pro-Town from the beginning. Until that changes they should not be targetted. On January 20 2012 01:21 jaj22 wrote: I'm suggesting that if Bill Murray is telling the truth, he's likely to bomb two of those three. He said so in the claim post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13195276 Looking at Slardar: Wow, this guy is terrible. Trolls most of day 1, complains about attempts to scumhunt, does absolutely no scumhunting himself. Transitions into lurking. ##Vote Slardar Post your scum reads or die. On January 20 2012 02:02 jaj22 wrote: I'm having doubts about BM too. Maybe OpZ is right and he's just a bad player posting whatever random junk comes into his head. Jitsu: What do you think? Any chance of a mason log? Also I don't like anything in Protact's latest scumread post, which is scaring the shit out of me. What about Protactinium's latest post don't you like? Analyse it for us and tell us what you think. | ||
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On January 20 2012 00:49 Toadesstern wrote: I'm not sure if we should vote for double lynch yet. The lynches we're attempting are kind of risky. I am on BM and KJ. If BM turns out green we lynched an office and there's enough people saying there's one mafia within BC/BM and I'd agree with that. If kingjames flips green we got a bunch of players who accused him and actually KJ just dir a case himself. For me the lynches we get tonight are a turning point to see which "side" is right I don't know if I'll be able to make 2 decisions tomorrow. Of course if both flip red that's going to be easy, but if both flip red we surly can take a single-lynch to go on as well because we'd already be in a huge lead. If it's only 1 or 0 reds I don't know if another doublelynch is the way to go. Imo doublelynch is a low-medium risk with 0 gain if it turns out to be the right move and little to medium drawback. I don't think I want that right now Finally, Toadesstern, I have been suspicious of you for a large portion of this game. I pegged you correctly early in TL Mafia XLVIII because of the things you say and do. EVERYONE: Reconsider my case. Actually take some time and look at my posts. Think about the intent behind the words and the effect that they achieved in the game. Think about what would happen if I chose to do or say something different. Think about the different people that I have targetted this game and how I have been working to make sure that: 1) I don't contribute to the myriad of conflicting voices 2) I don't compound any confusion or chaos 3) I keep the Town aware of who I deem to be suspicious or not suspicious Finally, note that if I really wanted to, I could have fallen back on the Macpo lynch easily instead of drawing attention to myself and voting for someone different. In fact, note that I VOTED FOR L who turned out to be the GF. If I wanted to earn credibility by bussing a mafia, why would I choose the GF? Now look at my actual case that I built against p4NDemik and compare his actions and posts to mine. Who is more pro-Town? Who is more likely to be mafia? Vote for p4NDemik | ||
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On January 20 2012 02:40 Toadesstern wrote: wat? I'm cooking right now and I'm only checking tl when I got some time. Is that something good or something bad about me? Ah, I actually incorporated what I wanted to say to you directly into the next part. Don't accept lynching me for 'information'. That won't do anything. I will flip and then everyone will argue about what it means and then the next bad lynch will be against Protactinium or Foolishness. Just heed my words and look through my posts. Do some analysis. If you ACTUALLY find something suspicious, then come back and report it. | ||
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On January 20 2012 03:07 Toadesstern wrote: But I want to lynch for information so badly I'm not even talking about you, it's still about Sandroba. I'm either spot on and people are not trusting me for a reason (= safe sandroba/chainsaw-defence) or I am the town moron this game who's all like "herpaderp, Annul dayvigged a townie, therefore he has to be a townie himself, herpaderp!". I'm dying inside and want to know what's going on. So far my 3 choices are either you (because I kind of trust protact or want to know if I can trust him), BM and Sandroba (because I trust myself and want to know what's going on). Needless to say that Sandroba is the only one I'm having an easy time to put my vote on. You got some drawbacks and BM might end up being town (just like you) but he's our sheriff. That'd be pretty bad. But yeah I'll read your filter and tell you tomorrow what I think about it (19:00 in ger, leaving in 1hour). Voting you because I trust or wan to trust protact isn't exactly a good reason to vote someone so I'll have to check that. After analysing him, I trust him too. Just realize that trusting someone to be pro-Town doesn't equate with that person is instantly correct. If you want to lynch for information, lynch p4NDemik. He's not pro-Town and I'm gunning for him hard now that I've noticed. | ||
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On January 20 2012 03:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote: So, he said he only had 1 bomb out. He said to keep him alive on this. Reading his filter he does not state who is one bomb is on. So we already know if he is lynched today that even if his bomb is on one of those 2 players that 1 will live. However it is interesting that to confirm my alignment you are for the carpet bomb killing of 3 other players. Two of which are actively analyzing and catching reds. Massive FoS on this. Next as to reply to jackal. I am fine with keeping you around another day now. HOWEVER. You have stated that you were herp derping because you had a role you wished to use before dying, thats great. That means you should be turning into the jackal that has no reason to herp derp. Continue doing so will result in me believing you just shot your gf to build cred for yourself as L was dead in the water anyway. You have a day to step it up. on to the current lynches, Kingjames01 is an easy first go. Why? Because he has done near nothing this game until he was actively pushed. Then he stops being helpful till again being pushed. His first bit of "analysis" that wasn't on me came at the point where people said lynch him. If he is required to be lynched to actively "analyze a player" this does not scream best interests of the town. Factor in he was trying to get cred from the "i voted for L, why would I vote for mafia gf if I was red" I would say it was easy to read the thread to know L was going to die sooner or later, having at least 1 member jump on that train now makes sense. As for BM, Claiming to save his life, running for election with a role that requires him dying (the fuck) to activate, his wtf jailing of lanaia with reasoning like Note that he said he was trying to jail to lower mafia KP. At that point in time, jailing a red would not have lowered mafia kp (anyone with half a brain would know this). He says he believed to save her from a hit, but someone had already claimed that missing hit in thread. That displayed he was not actually reading properly. I will be voting both of kingjames and bm for now, and heavily watching the thread to see how the day goes. I respect your mafia play and I know that you are attempting to draw me into an extended conflict and ruin any chances we have to actually scum-hunt. Because of this, I will concede your twisted interpretation of my play without engaging you directly on that front. However, I need to point out to everyone that BloodyC0bbler is trying to force me to make excuses. I make none. But, I will counter you, BC, on this point: what will you have gained when I don't flip red? Where do you go next? My final assertion to the Town is as follows: I have been attempting to draw a hit during the Night. I have been a continued voice of reason rather than a seeder of dissension. I have pointed out logical inconsistencies between words and actions. I have ensured that if I were to be shot at night, that my suspects will be known. I don't need to be the loudest or the most active player, as long as my presence cannot be erased easily. In essence, my game plan all along has been to force the mafia to silence me. It is my duty and honour to soak up a shot so that our scum hunters and power roles can continue to work unfettered. Factor that into your analysis of me. Now that it is obvious that the mafia is attempting to mislynch me today rather than to shoot me at night I must change tacks and point out that my actions have all been pro-Town. Indeed, I am Town-aligned. That is what matters here. Vote for p4NDemik. | ||
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Also, I just did a quick count of the votes and I'm second-in-line with 5 votes. sandroba is 3rd with 4 votes. That means at any time, the mafia can seal my fate. If I'm going to argue to stay in the game, I have to do it now, not later. I have one last thing up my sleeve but I will see how the day goes before I use it. | ||
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On January 20 2012 05:03 wherebugsgo wrote: at this point it's pretty damning of kingjames to be so fervently pushing a random lynch we've never heard of. Granted, this is exactly what he did in XLVIII, just always pushing random people who never had a chance of being lynched. Knowing this, though, it becomes hard to determine whether he is actually scum or just playing like he normally does At this point I don't care because I don't think kingjames is the best kill for today. I'd much rather we kill BM and Toad. It's not random and you have heard of it. From me. Perhaps you just missed it. You should go back and look at what I am pointing out. I've given quite detailed analyses as to why he has demonstrated mafia behaviour. Just take a look through the analysis and see what you think. It's quite apparent once you read through p4NDemik's history. | ||
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On January 20 2012 06:52 jaj22 wrote: I don't like kingjames or p4NDemik as lynch candidates at the moment. I don't have an issue with kingjames's vote for L as he reposted Kitaman's very good case against L. p4NDemik just looks newish town to me, and his case against Supersoft is worth a look. That's an interesting defense of p4NDemik. He's a "newish town". Now didn't we ALREADY hear that argument used for TWO separate players? Who were those two? Oh that's right, Ciryandor and Macpo. hm... They ended up dead, right? Let's go check to see what they flipped... Wow... So they were BOTH mafia??? Would you like to rescind your defense of p4NDemik? | ||
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On January 20 2012 06:57 p4NDemik wrote: I'd just like you to go with your brain and critique by kingjames' logic. There, I thought I would just fix that up for you. | ||
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On January 20 2012 06:57 p4NDemik wrote: I'd just like you to go with your brain and critique kingjames' logic. There, I thought I would just fix that up for you. | ||
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On January 20 2012 11:21 gumshoe wrote: Sorry if my post was somewhat vague and out of turn, I'm kinda unfamiliar with the mafia scene on tl but it seems spectacular, I'll go read the op because it'll probably say right there in detail how to get involved, I apologize for not doing this in the first place, I guess its just hard to dispel the notion that someone would go out of there way to craft someone they've never met into an able player. Which is especially ridicules considering this is a game of wits that relies heavily on what the player already knows of deceit and cunning. I just read through this guy's filter. He hasn't posted EVER. gumshoe is mafia. Lynch him. ##Vote: gumshoe. + Show Spoiler + Welcome to TL Mafia. I hope you enjoy yourself! | ||
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On January 20 2012 11:22 BrownBear wrote: Wait what. This is nonsensical and silly. Why on earth do you have a bomb on Protact if you're MH? I thought you had a town read on him, or was I just imagining that? No. It's clear that he's just saying that to forestall the lynch on him. Since the majority of us are convinced that Protactinium is Town, he's attempting to threaten us into saving his lynch until the next day. That's kind of a really shady way to stay alive, but he's playing to win. | ||
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On January 20 2012 11:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: OK folks. Lynches for today until a better round of analysis comes out via myself, foolishness or protract, obvious scum slips by reds or the like. kingjames Now, we have analyzed him already, but you guys seriously need to take a step back at what he is doing. The only person he analyzed all game till p4n was me. Not only that, but he only started to analyze other players when he started getting votes slapped on him. He has down nothing to help the town, and claimed he was attempting to draw a mafia hit. If this was true, why has he been so unhelpful and not just that, assume that a mafia would shoot him based on 3 players analyzing him as red? The only bullet he was taking last night would have been from a vig. Not only this, but most analysis on him always seems to get buried quickly or ignored. He is one of the primary people that should be lynched today yet only the BM one has taken up real steam. Hell if you notice, the only people voting for him atm are myself, protrac, foolishness, hiro and BM. Mafia does not want this guy dead, cap him now. As for the secondary target? Everyone is hopping aboard the BM wagon which at the moment has me slightly uneasy at how fast it is thus far. He seems like a solid candidate thus far but it is starting to seem almost like a misslynch. If you guys don't like BM then move to Meapak. I will have an analysis post up on him shortly, but he is most likely red. However Kingjames should be everyones primary vote today. I am almost starting to feel bad for you BC. You're like that pathetic little kid that always wants to be heard. You're saying all the same things but you're missing one key fact. IF you really believed me to be mafia, you should be attacking my posts. Am I wrong about p4NDemik? Why don't you use your mafia logic and discuss that? What are you so afraid of? I DARE YOU TO TAKE A STAND ON p4NDemik. | ||
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That's not a stand. You are attempting to equivocate. On January 20 2012 11:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Regardless, Your posts attacked him for the same general points you were analyzed for. That's a dismissive lie. If you ACTUALLY care or at least want to MAKE A SHOW OF IT, then read my analysis on p4NDemik. Compare and contrast my intent with his. Compare and contrast the choices we make. TAKE A STAND. Let's see who you really are this game. | ||
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That's not a stand. You are attempting to equivocate. On January 20 2012 11:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Regardless, Your posts attacked him for the same general points you were analyzed for. That's a dismissive lie. If you ACTUALLY care or at least want to MAKE A SHOW OF IT, then read my analysis on p4NDemik. Compare and contrast my intent with his. Compare and contrast the choices we make. TAKE A STAND. Let's see who you really are this game. | ||
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On January 20 2012 12:09 Toadesstern wrote: hey there KJ: Vote sandro, he's 2nd atm and may be your pass to life another day! I am not going to cast a vote against another player until I have an adequate reason to, even if it's to save myself. Note that even if I do end up being mislynched my motives are clear. I will force BC out into the open. He based his candidacy on accountability and I want us all to see the hypocrisy of his words. If I am such a good lynch candidate then why have I been so pro-Town? I look forward to BC's next move. | ||
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kingjames01
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On January 20 2012 12:27 Scamp wrote: kingjames01 I have a question for you. Who do you think is mafia other than p4NDemik? Well let's wait until BC has a chance to do his 'analysis' and then we can all decide together. Until then I am not going to respond anymore. Too many posts and we're all going to lose focus. If I am going to get mislynched I want to draw out a few of my suspects. I hope the mafia are wishing that they had killed me already. | ||
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kingjames01
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BloodyC0bbler is a good mafia player. BloodyC0bbler's mafia play isn't restricted to playing from the shadows. He is not afraid to be active in the game. But he is patient. He doesn't jump on every opportunity to wreak havoc. The reason why he's so good at being bad is not because he is smarter than the average mafia player. It is because he is so careful about being caught in a trap which makes him such a good mafia player. BloodyC0bbler only engages people when he thinks that he can draw someone into an argument. We can't check his alignment nor can we verify his role because he is Mayor. The power of having the weight of 3 votes will become more powerful as the game progresses. It is abundantly clear that his choices made in the first Day were chaos-inducing but is that enough to conclusively state that BC is mafia? When it became clear that I was going to be the next mislynch target, I switched tacks and decided that if I'm going out, then I'm going to use my last Day alive to draw BC out into the open. I want him to take a real stand on a very simple analysis. When I don't flip red tonight, I don't want him to be able to say, "oops! Well, I guess I was wrong. kingjames01 was really hard to read." However, that is exactly what BC is attempting to do. I asked him to do one thing. On January 20 2012 11:53 kingjames01 wrote: That's not a stand. You are attempting to equivocate. That's a dismissive lie. If you ACTUALLY care or at least want to MAKE A SHOW OF IT, then read my analysis on p4NDemik. Compare and contrast my intent with his. Compare and contrast the choices we make. TAKE A STAND. Let's see who you really are this game. He agreed to do so. On January 20 2012 12:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote: King james I will do what you ask But then he didn't. In his entire mess of a post, he did not do what he agreed to do. BC skirted around the issue so that he did not have to commit to any position. He avoids making a conclusive judgement on p4NDemik by focussing on me entirely. On January 20 2012 14:02 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Now this is an awesome post. See you went for a player that protrac missed. Then began to analyze him to death. Normally I would be like, awesome, good job. However. YOU DID THIS ONLY AFTER PRESSURED. He starts off with invalidating p4n because nisani's argument was not convincing. He does not quote this argument, he does not explain why it was bad. He then throws suspicion down because he believes p4n is establishing future votes. Instead he FoS protrac for his sudden change in how he has acted in thread. He makes a leap to interpret a line of thinking that was not stated. Futhermore he says p4n never interacts with protrac after that. Guess what, Protrac called kingjames out and rather than responding, kingjames promptly ignored the analysis as if it didnt exist. He then continues to analyze posts saying that p4n threw in an "excuse to vote" on a day that kingjames did not vote period. His reason is actually not a bad reason yet is "scumlike" He attacks p4n for not scumhunting which is something til this point that he himself is guilty of. He then brings up a ton of posts that say near nothing. Except one thing. The posts are questions that are trying to get answers for suspect behaviour. He then chooses a line of posts that are asking a question that were not answered that was weird as hell. He then asks someone who called him out to explain why rather than sitting back making general statements. Guess what, thats townlike behaviour. King james analyzed someone who is clearly playing in the towns interests while obviously not doing so himself. This is a post thats designed to target what would be viewed as a weaker player and making a case where there was none. Near all the points made against p4n were actually trash and it was only designed to bury decent posts and create a scene to distract the town. He then continues to tunnel p4n. Telling people to only vote for him if they want to analyze him. Meanwhile telling people if they want to vote for information that they can kill p4n. This is a complete contradiction in that if they want to kill p4n they should be analyzing him as well if they have to analyze kingjames to lynch kingjames. He is NOT clear about his position on p4NDemik. Does he ACTUALLY believe that p4NDemik "is clearly playing in the towns interests"? WHERE IS HIS ACCOUNTABILITY NOW? BloodyC0bbler: I DARE YOU TO TAKE A STAND ON p4NDemik. Why is that so hard for you to do? You make a few posts here and there. Surely, with your ability to play the game, you can make a real analysis on p4NDemik. That should be child's play for you. Stop using excuses to focus on me. Take some time and analyse p4NDemik. You agreed to do it. You still haven't produced any results. | ||
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kingjames01
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On January 20 2012 23:19 kingjames01 wrote: I asked him to do one thing. He agreed to do so. But then he didn't. In his entire mess of a post, he did not do what he agreed to do. BC skirted around the issue so that he did not have to commit to any position. He avoids making a conclusive judgement on p4NDemik by focussing on me entirely. He is NOT clear about his position on p4NDemik. Does he ACTUALLY believe that p4NDemik "is clearly playing in the towns interests"? WHERE IS HIS ACCOUNTABILITY NOW? BloodyC0bbler: I DARE YOU TO TAKE A STAND ON p4NDemik. Why is that so hard for you to do? You make a few posts here and there. Surely, with your ability to play the game, you can make a real analysis on p4NDemik. That should be child's play for you. Stop using excuses to focus on me. Take some time and analyse p4NDemik. You agreed to do it. You still haven't produced any results. | ||
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kingjames01
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On January 21 2012 04:20 Protactinium wrote: The fact that there is no opposition to the BM lynch, but that strangely nobody wants to vote for kingjames suggests to me that kingjames indeed is mafia, and that BM could be innocent (although if he truly is a hatter I don't trust his bomb placement lol). Considering voting sandroba instead, gotta read thread though. There you are. Consider if you will the following: Why is BloodyC0bbler trying so hard to avoid taking a stand on p4NDemik? In fact, at the moment, they are attempting to distance themselves from each other. It is one thing to invalidate someone's analysis, it is another ENTIRELY to refuse to analyse. | ||
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kingjames01
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Question your assumptions and don't give up! We're in a real good position here! I'll explain during post-game! =) | ||
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