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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
On January 15 2012 05:33 VisceraEyes wrote: risk.nuke is excluding the very real possibility that I'm scum...is this a scumslip? Now I'm done. I deemed it unlikely of you beeing scum. Because you claimed a powerfull town role. And we won't elect you. So it's going to be really obvious in a few days if you lied. So it's too bad scumplay. | ||
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Jitsu
United States929 Posts
I am a Town Mason. Reasons I didn't role-claim initially: - I was waiting to see if it was a town majority whether the Mason's should reveal or not. I decided against it because it seemed that too many people we're between claiming and ignoring the Mason's. - I felt that if I Buddied with someone, and they thought I was legitimately scum, or at least anti-town, I wouldn't hear any response from them, and they could just oust me in the town forum. VE just did that. Why I chose VisceraEyes: - I had a town-read from him. I felt that my town-read on him was solid enough to be able to communicate with him. - I believe in his scum-hunting abilities. I usually don't preach meta-based choices, but since the only other game I played with him was Election, and he killed a mafia Godfather the first day he was subbed in, I decided for him. I wanted to have someone to bounce idea off of. I felt VE would be a good choice. Where I will go from here: - I will still extend a Mason link with a town read each cycle. The purpose of it will be to continue with that extra analytic mindset, even if the other person decides not to utilize it. My feeling on it - if they decide to talk, more power to them. If not, fuck it. There is no point in letting the power go to waste. Current Reads: RE: Palmar - I don't think Palmar is a good D1 Lynch. He's too powerful a town player to just cut off Day1, and I think it might be a gambit to survive until Day2 and get some reads on people. Even so, he is probably compiling a list right now on scumreads ect. ect. I don't believe in meta, anyway, since I don't have solid meta on pretty much anyone in this game (MAYBE Sheth. Maybe.) I'd rather judge play based on how people interact in the game we are in now, rather than in a game we played before. RE: Foolishness Don't understand the flip-flop from one 'townie' to the other, promoting their gambit for mayor, when there are more obvious, strong choices as who could influence the town. Why would you settle for "ok" candidate when you can have the "great" candidate. Doesn't make sense. Especially when Foolishness said in the PM "I'm not interested in Mayor." It's almost like they will live until tomorrow. Mason Logs [read from bottom to top]: + Show Spoiler + (From VE to myself) That's up to you. _________________________________________________________________________________________________ Original Message From Jitsu: Yeah. I don't really know where to jump in TBH. I'm in the middle of typing up a post on Mattchew right now, but meh. If you want to out me, I would actually rather do it myself. I guess the good part is that now you have given me a more town read than before. -.- Hide nested quote - __________________________________________________________________________________________________ Original Message From VisceraEyes: You're not outted. Just need advice on how to proceed. But I like how you're clearly active-lurking in-thread. _________________________________________________________________________________________________ Original Message From Jitsu: ... Sigh. Original Message From VisceraEyes: I'm trying to figure out what I think of BC/Protract. I think one of Foolish/Matt is scum. Beyond that, I need more time and I'm about to go to sleep. We'll talk more soon. __________________________________________________________________________________________________ Original Message From Jitsu: Right. Also, the only other game I played with you, you killed the Godfather in one day, I believe. So those two combined - yeah, townie read, blah blah. Anyways. I think Palmar should definitly not be a Day One lynch. I'm not really sure if he is town or not, but I think he also might be trying to get by Day One without being shot by the mafia. That's why so many people are jumping on him. My read on Foolishness. Hmmm. Again, I don't have any prior gaming experience from him, so I don't know how his meta-town works. But in one day, he jumps from promoting two possible candidates for mayor (one of which is a newbie town, the other who is despised, I believe, by many players) and than says something along the lines of "I'm not interested in mayor today." Kinda sounds like he will expect to live until tomorrow. Jury is still out on the other players. I'm not too sure on BC at all right now. I liked his campaign, but still haven't read Protact's analysis. Thoughts? __________________________________________________________________________________________________ Original Message From VisceraEyes: Well, I guess I'd like some of your reads. You've got a townie read on me, but if you're scum you'd already know that. Can I assume that you've got a scum-read on Foolishness? Reply __________________________________________________________________________________________________ (To VE from myself) Sup son. As the hosts probably told you, I am another Mason. Yeah, i'm reading it. Posted awhile back about how it's all nonsense. It's almost like he's trying to brutally force himself into the position. I haven't played with him, but I would like to think that Foolishness wouldn't want to put a newb player into a power position, especially with the ability to activate a lynch based on his word. I don't like it. Not help with anything in particular, at least not now. I just have a townie vibe from you so wanted to open a line of communication if you wanted to bounce ideas/communicate. Obviously this doesn't exonerate me, or you, from being red. Thought I would at least shoot it off to one of the more vocal players/townie-leaning players at this moment. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________ (From VE to myself) Sup bro? Are you reading this nonsense about Mattchew thinking he's "confirmed town"? Unreal. Can I help you with something? | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
On January 15 2012 05:40 risk.nuke wrote: Foolishness filter in the op isn't working. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=47499 There's a couple of others that didn't work, but I don't remember them. | ||
Liquid`Sheth
United States2095 Posts
As for the PM's issue, well I don't know what anyone here sounds like in PM's via Mason. The whole game is based on meta meta of someones meta'ing metaness so I'm not sold on mafia having a better Mason simply because there is 10 of them on the team. However I can see your point. | ||
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Liquid`Sheth
United States2095 Posts
IF YOU ARE A MASON OR MASONED WITH SOMEONE, USE CAUTION WHEN ANNOUNCING. MAFIA ENJOY KILLING BLUES. MASON IS A POWERFUL ROLE WHICH CAN BE USED WELL WITHOUT COMING OUT TO EVERYONE. DONT FEEL PRESSURED TO COME OUT BECAUSE OF "MASS ROLE CLAIM THEORIES" Back to your regularly scheduled programming.. | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
Fuck i need to decide fast. | ||
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Jitsu
United States929 Posts
(1/15 2:52) (From VE to myself) That's up to you. _________________________________________________________________________________________________ (1/15 2:51) Original Message From Jitsu: Yeah. I don't really know where to jump in TBH. I'm in the middle of typing up a post on Mattchew right now, but meh. If you want to out me, I would actually rather do it myself. I guess the good part is that now you have given me a more town read than before. -.- Hide nested quote - __________________________________________________________________________________________________ (1/15 2:44) Original Message From VisceraEyes: You're not outted. Just need advice on how to proceed. But I like how you're clearly active-lurking in-thread. _________________________________________________________________________________________________ (1/15 2:36) Original Message From Jitsu: ... Sigh. ________________________________________________________________________________________________ (1/14 15:45) Original Message From VisceraEyes: I'm trying to figure out what I think of BC/Protract. I think one of Foolish/Matt is scum. Beyond that, I need more time and I'm about to go to sleep. We'll talk more soon. __________________________________________________________________________________________________ (1/14 14:54) Original Message From Jitsu: Right. Also, the only other game I played with you, you killed the Godfather in one day, I believe. So those two combined - yeah, townie read, blah blah. Anyways. I think Palmar should definitly not be a Day One lynch. I'm not really sure if he is town or not, but I think he also might be trying to get by Day One without being shot by the mafia. That's why so many people are jumping on him. My read on Foolishness. Hmmm. Again, I don't have any prior gaming experience from him, so I don't know how his meta-town works. But in one day, he jumps from promoting two possible candidates for mayor (one of which is a newbie town, the other who is despised, I believe, by many players) and than says something along the lines of "I'm not interested in mayor today." Kinda sounds like he will expect to live until tomorrow. Jury is still out on the other players. I'm not too sure on BC at all right now. I liked his campaign, but still haven't read Protact's analysis. Thoughts? __________________________________________________________________________________________________ (1/14 14:32) Original Message From VisceraEyes: Well, I guess I'd like some of your reads. You've got a townie read on me, but if you're scum you'd already know that. Can I assume that you've got a scum-read on Foolishness? Reply __________________________________________________________________________________________________ (To VE from myself) (1/14 12:37) Sup son. As the hosts probably told you, I am another Mason. Yeah, i'm reading it. Posted awhile back about how it's all nonsense. It's almost like he's trying to brutally force himself into the position. I haven't played with him, but I would like to think that Foolishness wouldn't want to put a newb player into a power position, especially with the ability to activate a lynch based on his word. I don't like it. Not help with anything in particular, at least not now. I just have a townie vibe from you so wanted to open a line of communication if you wanted to bounce ideas/communicate. Obviously this doesn't exonerate me, or you, from being red. Thought I would at least shoot it off to one of the more vocal players/townie-leaning players at this moment. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________ (From VE to myself) (1/14 12:31) Sup bro? Are you reading this nonsense about Mattchew thinking he's "confirmed town"? Unreal. Can I help you with something? Edit'd into the original. Again, read bottom to top. The late time at which I started the conversation can also be explained. I PM'd both host and co-host to let them know that I wanted to link with VE. I didn't want to start PMing until I had received confirmation. RE: Sheth - I'm pretty sure you posted that because of me. VE had said in his "Town Jack" claim that I had mason'd with him. If I didn't claim at that point, I think it would have looked worse than better. RE: Foolish Understandable. I would just assume that you would want to up you're chances of living until the next day, with the innate survival of the mayor. I got ya. [On a side note, in the PM's, I referred to everyone as a generic male. If you are female, I'm sorry. I didn't mean any disrespect.] | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Jitsu
United States929 Posts
On January 15 2012 05:59 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Am I correct in assuming those time stamps are KST? You should, yes. It's still the 14th where I live. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
I'll vote BC since we came to a compromise in pms. Gotta roll. ##Vote: BloodyC0bbler | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 15 2012 06:05 sandroba wrote: I'll vote BC since we came to a compromise in pms. Gotta roll. ##Vote: BloodyC0bbler Care to explain? | ||
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Liquid`Sheth
United States2095 Posts
On January 15 2012 06:00 Palmar wrote: I'm still giving my support to Protactinium, I have no problem with him killing BC if only for how stupid regardless of BC's alignment his claim is. Palmar do I look scummy to you for defending you? I mean I should look scummier for that. Can you tell me what you think the benefits / cons are for just EVERYONE who is Mason claiming now or being revealed by their mason buddy? @Jitsu It wasn't necessarily directed towards you just towards everyone in general. For those who don't have time to read this all VIGS : Jitsu [bl] Mattchew [/bl] Opz BC I'm posting this because I'm sure the mafia have noticed who they are and I wonder if townies have noticed as sometimes they've been hidden in long posts. I just think its ironic that we as town have revealed possibly 4 blues to mafia for very little reason. I feel like Opz's claim + VE revealing you (Jitsu) were useless claims. I understand Matt / BC's claim, and I'd like anyone else who wants to claim to have a reason for it. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
Wait did he just say..... YES! VE has retardedly outted himself as a Town Jack by trying to daykill C_C. What an idiot, right? But hear me out. My case on CC is this: He's scummily inconsistent in his posting. Like take this post for example. He states in no uncertain terms that A) he's not going to vote for BC and also B) Palmar must be scum based on Occam's Razor. In this post he encourages me to stay in the mayoral race because he's voting for me. Here, he goes a step further and changes his lynch choice to BC. Wait a minute...he already said he agreed with the case on Palmar...Occam's Razor remember? In this post, he tries to shirk responsibility for Macpo's stance on BC (Macpo very clearly cites CC for changing his view on BC) by claiming it was actually Hydractinum that his post was based on. As town, I'd be flattered if one of my posts changed someone's mind, I certainly wouldn't try to say it was SOMEONE ELSE who actually did the legwork...especially if I'm seeking election! Okay, here's the post. In this post, he not only reverses his stance on BC, but he does so by saying "BC isn't as bad a candidate as everyone is making him out to be." Really? You've been one of his biggest detractors! Your campaign is based on LYNCHING BC! Interestingly, he also puts me on a lynch list....WHILE HIS VOTE FOR MAYOR IS STILL ON ME!!! This is so fucking damning guys. Now his vote is on BC. Now, I'm going to probably be roleblocked and killed tonight...we can avoid this by making me one of the elected officials. If I'm elected mayor, I'll lynch the fuck out of C_C. A Vote For VisceraEyes Is A Vote For Town Victory!!!! | ||
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