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Toadesstern
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imo he seemed more like a stubborn towni. He did the EXACT SAME THING he did this game last game and had to change it because people called him out. He tried it again and told himself that he won't change it this time and try something different (again) just this time he went with it. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 16 2012 01:43 risk.nuke wrote: Look I won't bitch with you two, alot of people seem convinced jayjay is town for very inadequate reasons. Which is scummy in itself because first of all smart townies doesn't let the scum know who they have townreads on. That is just bad town play. Speaking of it bad play that brings us to rg. Distinguishing bad townie play from scum play is very hard and as for now rG might very well just be a bad townie. But I'm watching you. depends. If you want to lynch someone I got a townread on I'm going to tell you to shut the fuck up because I think he's a townie. So no telling people your townreads is obviously not always bad. Furthermore it makes reading BM pretty nice. Depending on where I disagree or agree I'm able to say he's probably town or mafia. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
I'd gladly lynch scumdroba or bum. I think sandroba is more scummy however I am a little afraid that we might end up lynching a townie because BC might be a mafia too. If BC's a mafia I don' think sandroba is mafia. Conclusion: I want to lynch sandroba. I'd rather not risk lynching BC so early and lynching sandroba is way better information for us while giving pretty decent chance to hit a red mine | ||
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Toadesstern
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Yes I'm talking about vigs. The point here is that probably both teams are going to protect their vets. So if you think you found someone scummy and he's a vet that's all fine and nice but that guy is probably going to be protected. Find yourself another target or whatever. I don't want you to shoot that guy. I really see it this way: You're either wrong and you're hurting town A LOT or you're right and won't do shit because that guy is going to be protected = your shot was a waste. Just do be a favor and don't do that. Sry it's so late I was on my train without internet like every weekend  Also I think this post is fine and is not problematic at all because I'm not telling what I want you to do, which would be bad indeed. Also that's not helping scum at all. They still have to protect their vets. At this point in time they have to think that maybe we've got a vet that already pm'ed the host. Furthermore there's always a bunch of morons that are not reading the thread (like me, I'm still catching up with the last 2 pages and just arrived) and will just shoot because they never read what I just posted. Obviously that's only for newer players. I'm not going to tell our vets what to do, I just think what I said is a good idea for players who don't know what to do. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 16 2012 06:22 wherebugsgo wrote: @ Toadesstern: Please explain why you find bumatlarge to be scummy. Also, summarize your thoughts on Protactinium and sandroba while you're at it. I want to know things from you. had a townread on bum early on. Later on he said he wants sandroba to be sheriff (who I think to be scum) and he said trusts palmar to be town without giving a reason while everyone else who said he trusts palmar gave a reason why he does so. Although he said he wanted sandroba to be sheriff he voted kita, switched to BM and ended up on proc as far as I know. Another thing is him regretting his vote so early: klick me Feels weird overall but I'm not so sure. Also there's a lot of connections between him and bc+sandroba which I both think might be scumm. I thought protact is town. I'm really unsure about what to think off him right now. Certainly don't like those vote boosts he got. In a game of lol, you'll get my thoughts about sandroba in about 40 mins :p | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 16 2012 06:22 wherebugsgo wrote: @ Toadesstern: Please explain why you find bumatlarge to be scummy. Also, summarize your thoughts on Protactinium and sandroba while you're at it. I want to know things from you. as promised (sry took longer because I completly forgot it ) about sandroba:I don't like the fact that BC lynched Palmar at all. Sandroba was the guy who made BC lynch Palmar instead of whoever he wanted to lynch first. I asked BC and Sandroba to show me their pm logs, neither one did it and I don't like the coincidence of bc masoning sandroba although I have to agree that that one point probably is circular reasoning because I think it's something that makes bc scummy Sandroba's budding with Palmar (without a reason) and with BC (without giving an explanation). Also he voted BC. If you now look at what I posted about bum and BC you realize that there's a lot of mentioning each other within this circle of BC-Bum-Sandroba. I've got the feeling sandroba is trying to trick me/ us his picks and his style obviously is not helping at all. My highest priority to lynch right now would be sandroba, followed by bum. I won't support a bc lynch although I think he's leaning scum for me right now because I'm not sure about my judgement of bc yet. I'd say he's got a 30-50% of flipping red instead of true 10 out of 50. | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 16 2012 08:42 wherebugsgo wrote: I don't agree that Protact has been giving town direction at all. Notice how absent they have been for the vast majority of the last 24 hours? well yeah but he I consider him being right with some points about BC. I think the talk about masons was not good for town. We could have discussed something else as well, we had enough stuff (like who's acting scummy) and who we want to lynch. BC kind of produced a mass claim. I still don't know if it's that bad but it certainly was not was he intended, at least not without discussing it but discussing it took way too much time when we needed to get a defined picture of our mayors. So yes, protac posted very little, I am scared of him as well and I'd love him to be in no office at all. Still what he posted gave me town vibes. What are your thoughts about sandroba, bum, bc and protac? I think I answered them good enough from my point of view. | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 16 2012 09:26 wherebugsgo wrote: [...] Bum, I'm unsure of so far (haven't read through his posts thoroughly tbh). From the initial read I was getting, townish. However, I don't think I've given him as much attention as I should have. I will reread the thread again a couple more times with the flip in mind. [...] The thing about the Palmar flip is that it makes people like zeks, opz, and several others look bad. Lanaia looks bad as well; she has not commented on anything concrete and so far has had no scum reads. It looks rather similar to her play from XLVII. At any rate, I still want thoughts from people on Protac and opz. Sandro/zeks/Lanaia thoughts would be nice too. Yeah I had a town read on bum early on too. The scary thing about protac for me btw (because I did not explain why I called it scary) is that he looks townish to me but I can't realy put it down with words. I'm not trusting myself there at all because I don't even know why I got that townread, it just feels townish because I really liked the big post he did. Sure that' something but that' should not be enough to give me a townread when he's lurking so hardcorde. Why does palmars flip make people like zeks or opz look bad? I'm going to be honest here: They're both a big blank note for me. | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 16 2012 09:52 kingjames01 wrote: Why was Mattchew modkilled? Maybe I misunderstood the situation. as far as I know you are allowed to post pms unless they are from a host. However you are not allowed to post a pic of your inbox. | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 16 2012 11:04 blahz0r wrote: So you went from liking him to not liking him because of the people he likes. [1] Now you want to lynch him? [2] Yes you did say a little about it but all you have now is a feeling. Why did it go from people he trusted to just a feeling? [3] Go back to bum. Is he MAFIA or not? Can you explain more besides this "I got this bad feeling because so and so are together". I'd like to believe you but there is uncertainty for now. Is there also a possibility that one of them could be town led astray? [4] Still reading a day or two worth of text =\ 1) kind of yeah. At least that's what made me look into him and I now longer had a town feeling. I've got the feeling I was tricked by something. This whole thing looks weird but I can't put my finger on it where I'm wrong beause surly I am wrong somewhere 2) Again: Kind of. I'd much rather see sandroba dead, more explanation at [4] 3) It's a feeling because it's a day1-read. So as my palmar is town, mattchew is town, VE is town were. I'm saying were because palmar and mattchew are both dead and I still call VE a fakeclaimer and I want to know why, I won't call anything based on d1 analysis without a flip something different than a feeling. 4) Most certainly scum and yes I am most certainly wrong somewhere. My point is and always was that I think something is wrong within BC - Bum - Sandroba. I think either one or 2 (maybe all 3 but I doubt they're that stupid) are scum. I think all 3 are scummy to some degree but yeah I'm going to be wrong on one of them at least I guess. I think my scumread on BC is wrong. I'm pretty sure I am right on sandroba and I think I am right on bum, won't call it anything like a 100% call however and neither will I call sandroba a 100% call. The big issue I have is that I think at least one of them is screwing with us by giving fake reads. You know, they're asked to give us 3 townreads and end up listing 2 people I think to be town and 1 I am think to be mafia to screw with us and make it hard to judge them based on their reads because being wrong is hardly something bad as long as it's for a reason. I don't see a reason however especially in what sandroba posts. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 16 2012 12:03 VisceraEyes wrote: I took no action tonight. Just so there are no surprises. of course you did not, you don't have any night actions | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 16 2012 12:38 Protactinium wrote: Nah its simpler than that. Sandroba was the first person who supported my case on Ciryandor, when everyone else was ignoring it. The thread was very chaotic, and my case was otherwise being ignored. There's no reason for the mafia to resurrect suspicions on one of their members if it is long gone and buried. sandroba does that as mafia if he's not enough time to or will to play and therefore looks mafia. He does that to screw with other people's "radar". At least that's what he calls it, it worked last time with radfield and I still believe he's doing the same move this very moment. I think he's tricking us again and still support a Sandroba lynch until you give a pretty damn good reason not to lynch him. Cyriandor flipping scum is nothing that makes sandroba look good at all. But I'll take another read about how that ciry-mafia-read started. | ||
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Toadesstern
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Again, not something that makes sandroba look good at all. ##vote sandroba | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 16 2012 13:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: except sandro supported a cyri lynch when protrac supported it? and I believe he mentioned he supported that lynch in skype. Makes sandro look fairly decent actually. I already mentioned that issue and I don't think it is one. What's the reason you wanted to show us the logs now instead of, you know, when we asked you like 24 hours ago? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
We not going to lynch a new guy who barely posted. Theses guys turn out to be unreadable early on and flip by true chance. I've got to admit that I'm not done reading yet but I don't think lynching GGQ is a good idea yet although I would hardly call it a bad idea. We simply got better people. Finding mafia is going to be easier the longer this game takes. You really want to lynch a new guy who HAS to screw up sometimes if he really is mafia? Just lynch the guy we're capable of reading RIGHT NOW: Sandroba | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 17 2012 07:02 Jayjay54 wrote: so you still would pick sandro over GGQ and Chaos? Have you read that? Looked very much like scum... As I stated a billion times before, I think either Sandro or BC is scum. If both were town, the logs would be faked. I mean there was enough time, but this is soooo much effort for little gain. I might be wrong here. If one of them is town, I am leaning towards BC. But I am not sure... quoted this, saw your EBWOP: Well it's pretty much the same for me. Just that I think it's BC who's town, Sandroba is just incredible scummy this game and needs to die. Furthermore we're getting way much information out of him after lynching him. I hardly have information about GGQ and Chaos. I couldn't even tell you who they voted or who they want to lynch right now, but yeah I'm still reading. My point is, if both GGQ and sandroba are equally mafia I'd rather lynch sandroba for several issues: I never player with GGQ. Looks like a new guy to me and that's hard to judge from time to time. I'd be way more scared to mislynch GGQ because I'm not capable to understand him because of the fact that he's new. Another thing is that I'd like to get townies on ONE lynch. n1 we had a lot of people saying we need to lynch sandroba (myself included) and there's hardly anyone who disagrees in lynching sandroba although there's a bunch of people who are neutral about him. I think it's easier to get people on sandroba on a hard d2. After all d2 is still a day with little information and we're bound to have a lot of people who think they found scum as well and therefor think they need to vote the guy they found instead of say sandroba or GGQ. | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 17 2012 07:10 Protactinium wrote: Lets stop discussing Sandroba/BC being mafia for now. There are bigger fish to fry (all the apathetic people). That's something I've got problems with. Why to you want to lynch into apathetic people at all. Those people are the kind of people you lynch when you've got nothing going on and need to get at least something going. Just let our vigis shoot into lurkers and deal with them once we run out of obvious targets like sandroba. That's what our vigis are good for after all. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 17 2012 07:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: It's posts like these that only solidify GGQ is scum. Look at the way Toad defends GGQ, he recognizes the merits of the case but says we have better people. This is a common theme with people who think GGQ is a bad lynch, let's take a look at another such person. are you kidding me? I pushed for a sandroba lynch way before people even started to think about GGQ. If anythin GGQ is the guy who is supposed to safe Sandroba | ||
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Toadesstern
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+ Show Spoiler + On January 17 2012 07:42 Protactinium wrote: Apathy is not inactivity. Apathy does not mean that a player is unreadable. On the contrary, look at how this game has unfolded as a whole. Day 1 is full of chaos. The thread explodes to 75 pages, and hardly anyone is looking for mafia. You have some hardline players like WBG and company who want to throw Palmar off a cliff, and a bunch of useless mason discussion. The mafia have no reason to be actively at the front of the stage because it inherently carries risk. The town is already in a natural state of chaos anyway. Thus, the mafia are the ones who are going to be slacking off. A sandroba lynch is absolutely ridiculous and the amount of support it is getting is shockingly disturbing. No mafia digs up a case on a fellow mafia when it is dead and buried. Lets look at one of your posts about sandroba: Explain how you know Sandroba made BC lynch Palmar, when he never said such a thing. starting from the bottom: On January 15 2012 06:05 sandroba wrote: Palmar you need to try harder, you are too easy to spot as scum nowadays. I'd rather not lynch any vets day1 but you make it so hard not to lynch you. Please go die in a corner. I'll vote BC since we came to a compromise in pms. Gotta roll. ##Vote: BloodyC0bbler That's what he's talking about: + Show Spoiler + [14/01/2012 3:53:12 PM] james: i have foolishness, palmar, protact, brownbear and wiggles [14/01/2012 3:53:16 PM] james: on a list of possible red vets [14/01/2012 3:53:21 PM] Sandro Maculan: lol [14/01/2012 3:53:28 PM] Sandro Maculan: i want to lynch none of those [14/01/2012 3:53:35 PM] james: most wont [14/01/2012 3:53:41 PM] james: brownbear hasn't posted that I remember [14/01/2012 3:53:47 PM] james: if i had to choose former mayor candidates [14/01/2012 3:53:50 PM] james: is shoot slardar [14/01/2012 3:53:51 PM] Sandro Maculan: bb might even get mkéd [14/01/2012 3:53:53 PM] james: but hes so obviously not red [14/01/2012 3:54:12 PM] james: so many vets have done [14/01/2012 3:54:13 PM] Sandro Maculan: tbh i don't even remember reading his posts [14/01/2012 3:54:15 PM] james: dick fuck all [14/01/2012 4:01:44 PM] Sandro Maculan: man I'll compromise don't lynch fool or incog then you get my vote [14/01/2012 4:04:25 PM] james: fine, ill agree to that [14/01/2012 4:05:49 PM] Sandro Maculan: k gotta roll [14/01/2012 4:05:54 PM] Sandro Maculan: I'd totally support palmar [14/01/2012 4:06:00 PM] Sandro Maculan: fuck him he is scum so yes. I'd say sandroba made BC lynch palmar About digging up: That's no mafia digging it up. He only commented on that AFTER someone else digged it up and that IS totally scumdroba play. A lot of people think he's scum => he accused a scumbuddy to be mafia to make people think "hey, if sandroba thinks that guy is scum that guy can't be scum at all". That's what he did with radfield / annul last time and it worked too. Sadly we did not have an irc log off the game I'm talking about but I'm sure VE and Jackal can tell you what I'm talking about. If you want you can even check out the game yourself. It's not hard to find within the thread if yu want to (which I doubt). | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 17 2012 08:01 ~OpZ~ wrote: I want to lynch Lanaia. Every post is wishywashy, and that big post with probably 30 people on it was a huge attempt to appear to be doing something. Just doesn't feel right. she is that wishy washy as town. I don't think she's mafia at all unless she does that on purpose to look like her town play. I'd say the first one is more likly. | ||
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