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jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
January 22 2012 18:08 GMT
#3599
My scum-VE theory hinged on BM jailing a scum-GGQ on night 2 to protect him from vigs, and I don't have another theory that makes much sense. Surely mafia wouldn't deliberately blow their 4th KP just to give VE a bit of towncred?

You're right that it looks weird as hell. Medics covering VE? Mason but no shots from VE?

jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
January 22 2012 18:10 GMT
#3600
@Toad: I went breadcrumb-hunting in Protact's filter and I reckon he checked Macpo on day 1 (defending Sandro repeatedly because he just had to lynch Macpo) and you on day 2 (Red->"innocent").

jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
January 22 2012 18:44 GMT
#3609
On January 22 2012 08:40 Cwave wrote:
If a bodyguard is killed, will it show that he was a bodyguard?

If this is the case, BM lied to me in the pm's.

Ok, I confused two posts earlier. Is it correct that one of the "bodyguards" Bill listed is dead, and therefore not a bodyguard? If so, can you provide the name? Just the dead one, not the other.

I don't think there's any harm in giving the name of a dead fake bodyguard.

jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
January 22 2012 18:47 GMT
#3610
@VE: On which night did you use the vet power?
jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
January 22 2012 21:20 GMT
#3641
Do town bodyguards know that they're bodyguards?
jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
January 22 2012 21:54 GMT
#3647
On January 23 2012 06:26 rgTheSchworz wrote:
The fact that you weren't medic saved means scum don't want you dead. Since some ppl suggest that scum doublestacked, why the F didn't they doublestack you?

Inconsistency alert. rgTheSchworz thought it was obvious that Hiro would get roleblocked rather than shot last night:

On January 21 2012 21:19 rgTheSchworz wrote:
No, they'll RB him continously, if they haven't got any other obvious target. Why risk protection?


I'd be surprised if scum didn't at least double-stack Protact. Triple stack is possible given that both GGQ and Scamp were reasonable vig targets. This looks bad for Bill Murray, because it'd be a hell of a risk for scum if he was town. Jailing Protactinium was the obvious choice (for a sane town player) once a DT was splitting the medics.

jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
January 22 2012 22:13 GMT
#3651
If Hiro is DT, they wouldn't bother killing him tonight except maybe if there are other strong claims. Plenty of blues left to hunt and only one good RB target. Also, now that there's suspicion of Hiro, there's no reason for them to do anything except RB him.

jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
January 22 2012 22:42 GMT
#3655
There are other reasons that VE may not have been roleblocked:

1. Mafia thought VE was probably lying.
2. Mafia thought VE was probably a veteran trying to draw hits. This was dispelled by night 2, I think.
3. Mafia thought VE was likely to shoot a townie.
4. Mafia didn't want to reveal their roleblocker so that they could throw suspicion on a DT or medic later.

jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
January 22 2012 22:52 GMT
#3660
On January 23 2012 07:44 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 07:42 jaj22 wrote:
There are other reasons that VE may not have been roleblocked:

1. Mafia thought VE was probably lying.
2. Mafia thought VE was probably a veteran trying to draw hits. This was dispelled by night 2, I think.
3. Mafia thought VE was likely to shoot a townie.
4. Mafia didn't want to reveal their roleblocker so that they could throw suspicion on a DT or medic later.


1) yeah if they thought so they would have thought it's #2
2) yeah if they thought THAT they would have rb-ed him while shooting because rb eliminates the 2nd live
3) that could be true
4) everyone knows mafia has 1 RB as far as I can see.

2. The OP is explicit that the veteran ability cannot be roleblocked. This may not be true for the Jack's one-shot veteran ability, so RB & shoot night 2 makes more sense. However, mafia may have thought VE was a plain mason at that point, and shot him just because he was pressing Sandroba.

4. No, the existence of a roleblocker is unproven, although personally I think it's extremely likely.
jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
January 22 2012 22:55 GMT
#3661
On January 23 2012 07:47 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 05:00 hiro protagonist wrote:
Yes, I realize my actions helped keep BM alive day3. I will not make the same mistake, Of course I will help you lynch Bill today. I thought It was obvious in my last post thats what I wanted to do. I also want to re read the thread, which is what Im doing now. better to check twice than make a rash decision at this point. also, everyone should vote for the DL today.

##Vote: Bill Murry
##Vote: Double Lynch

As for the results of my day 2 check, I will release that if it becomes relivent. As for now, I Have a good reason for keeping that info quite

Give us the name and alignment, so we can work with that.
We don't actually need to know the persons role.

Not until Hiro's under genuine threat of a lynch, at least. Just name & alignment is fine for the moment.

jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
January 22 2012 23:14 GMT
#3669
Toad, VE and Kitaman get benefit of the doubt by occam's razor and some strong pressure on Sandroba, Sandroba & L respectively with no sign of a mass bus. I'm finding Toad quite town lately anyway.

supersoft and risk.nuke haven't had much thread presence by their usual standards but I haven't seen anything worth lynching them for yet.

Players who I like rather less so far: Brownbear, ~OpZ~, glurio, Munk-E. It's a bit of a lurker list but they all had no contribution apart from dubious votes on day 3.

jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
January 22 2012 23:20 GMT
#3671
On January 23 2012 07:58 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 07:55 jaj22 wrote:
On January 23 2012 07:47 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Give us the name and alignment, so we can work with that.
We don't actually need to know the persons role.

Not until Hiro's under genuine threat of a lynch, at least. Just name & alignment is fine for the moment.

What? Are you bluefishing?
The alignment is all that a townie should care about.

No, they should also care about not mislynching. If Hiro is likely to get mislynched, he may be able to avoid it by revealing the role of his other check, and depending on the role, this may be worth the cost. Unless that happens, he absolutely shouldn't reveal the role.

jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
January 22 2012 23:35 GMT
#3674
On January 23 2012 08:22 bumatlarge wrote:
I really think hiro has said that the person he checked is blue, so giving us a name now would kinda be a giveaway. Keep the name until he thinks it's relevant.

Just checked, and he said Green. I can't figure out whether the pros and cons of releasing the name are worth it in that case.

jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
January 23 2012 11:53 GMT
#3739
Sweet, OpZ is back with a bang and glurio came out of the woodwork.

@glurio: If you don't want to die, I suggest that you mason someone you think is active and strongly pro-town, and use instant messaging rather than TL PMs to give us as much information as possible.

Also some scumreads here would be nice.

jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
January 23 2012 12:17 GMT
#3745
/facepalm

##vote Bill Murray

jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
January 23 2012 18:43 GMT
#3817
On January 23 2012 23:06 Bill Murray wrote:
[center]The Setup: Notice how Foolishness trolled by running me for office?

Yup. He also lied, by implying you were actually readable. Either that or he's scum.

On January 23 2012 23:06 Bill Murray wrote:
There was this guy, you see, names Foolishness. That's where this game starts. He was a good man, bold, and didn't want to wait for his role. He knew that role would be town, in all likelihood. What better to help the town, but to save a great lategame scumhunter?

I am indeed that. A scumhunter. Anyways, back to Foolishness, he was confirmed town to me from day one, and not because of deductive reasoning. It was because he was too mafia to be mafia. Elect Bill Murray? Foolishness!

I have a better theory. Foolishness is scum, and he knows you'll be an easy mislynch target and will grossly misuse your powers, so he gets you elected in hope of causing chaos in future.

Paranoid rambling? Yeah. I've lost the plot.

Meanwhile BrownBear shows up for the first time in four days and posts... a defence of Bill. This game has jumped the goddamn shark.

jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
January 23 2012 19:20 GMT
#3829
The mods never replied to my green question about whether bodyguards know that they're bodyguards. What's normal in these games?

And what the hell is with all these players who think it's acceptable to do the absolute minimum modkill dodge? Since GGQ flipped green, apparently they're not even all mafia. I still want to kill them.

jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
January 23 2012 23:07 GMT
#3897
I'm getting the impression that a lot of people have missed BC's other logs. They're interesting stuff, particularly Foolishness/BC where they do a lot of scumhunting:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13231931

I don't think BC posted his log with Protactinium.

Interesting that OpZ was the only mason who used PMs rather than realtime chat with BC.

jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
January 23 2012 23:35 GMT
#3905
Oh, I forgot about the Kita/OpZ logs:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13236558

Some evasive stuff from OpZ. Dodges questions on Bill Murray and L, doesn't volunteer any theories on nightkills. Does that "Quid pro quo, Clarice" thing but doesn't ask any questions himself. Not sure there's any reason for a townie to be that tight-lipped.

jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
January 24 2012 00:15 GMT
#3926
Wondering about the BM meta thing yet again, so I compiled a list of the opinions of veterans who I think have played with Bill. Correct me if I'm wrong:

Kitaman: Reckons he's scum.
Foolishness: Reckons he's scum.
Protactinium: Reckons he's scum.
Brownbear: Reckons he's unreadable (day 4), switched vote to him silently six hours later.
OpZ: Reckoned he was plausible town-BM (late day 2).

I think OpZ and Brownbear are scum anyway, so the most likely conclusion is that Bill Murray is scum too.

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