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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=238699 My opinions on the lynch candidates so far: Sandroba: Day 1 mostly drunken trolling, but day 2 looks fine. Nothing suspicious in the BC mason log. I'm more worried about some of the people who made cases against him. Protactinium: After that n1 post? Really? What's more interesting is that all of his targets ignored it except Evantrees. Macpo: I wouldn't be able to call him noob scum rather than noob town personally. There's a definite change in posting style but I found one post coaching him in the thread between the offending posts: On January 14 2012 05:39 Jitsu wrote: RE: Macpo Why are you pointing out that you are such a newb? In the post I recall, you really try to drive home the fact that you are a newb and that you wish people pardon you're small mistakes! Take responsibility for you're actions. I feel that you are being wishy-washy. Don't be wishy-washy. Could be a coincidence, but Macpo appears to be following this advice to the letter. GGQ: Terrible posting. Could be a very time-poor veteran townie, I suppose, but it's not excusable at this stage. | ||
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Oh, nothing against you. Just that a major part of the case against Macpo seems to be that he's been scum-coached between those two posts, but he could simply have been following your advice from the thread. | ||
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On January 18 2012 01:50 Jayjay54 wrote: BMs latest action made no sense, you got a point there. The thing is, they make no sense from a scum perspective either. Even as a scum sheriff there's no reason to waste a jailtown without reason. He basically acted like a mad scientist and is probably gone insane or trolling. I don't know about scum though, because, like I said, those actions were neither town nor scum favoured. What would you expect a scum sheriff to do? No point keeping the jailings for an open roleclaim because you'd just get lynched for it, so the obvious choice is to go blue-hunting. The nightkills certainly look like blue hunting to me, so it fits. | ||
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On January 18 2012 02:04 Jayjay54 wrote: In conclusion, town fucked up big time voting  Given the low vote count on the three main candidates (32 votes, 10 scum), it looks implausible that a mafia didn't get elected unless they really weren't trying. It's quite possible that mafia even spread their votes between (scum) BM and (town) BC on the basis that BC was going to lynch Protactinium or Palmar. | ||
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Looks like a lot of people don't like Bill Murray any more than I do, but I guess he can wait until tomorrow. Hopefully we'll get some mason logs or posts by then. On January 18 2012 05:35 VisceraEyes wrote: It's scummy for me to consolidate our votes on one candidate and avoid a no-lynch? After XLVIII? Pull the other one Jackal...seriously. I'll tell you what...I'll go look at this dude's like 4 posts and make a judgement for myself, but I know that it's going to take something REALLY pro-town for me to move my vote because the vets have set their sights, and I do NOT want a no-lynch today. Something I think a lot of people are missing: It's not a majority lynch system. Whoever gets the most votes dies. There is no possibility of a no-lynch. | ||
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On January 18 2012 10:24 ~OpZ~ wrote: What's your take on Protactinum? I think he's been the best town player in the game, frankly. If Macpo and GGQ both flip green then I might start to worry, but fundamentally his play looks like good scumhunting to me, and there's not too much of that going on in this game. | ||
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I'm seriously worried about some of the votes Bill Murray is picking up. Maybe he's terrible town after all. Or maybe he's scum and they're trying to make me think that he's terrible town. Gah. | ||
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On January 18 2012 10:57 ~OpZ~ wrote: And his contradictions of himself are just good town play too? Claiming to of provided foundation to a day in which he really did next to nothing? I can't say I noticed any significant contradictions. If you mean switching targets during day 1, I'd much rather see three cases than one repeated. He posted three substantial cases in day 1, one of which flipped red. I'm struggling to think who did a better job of giving town direction. Post count isn't everything. Too tired to stay up for the lynch, so voting Macpo to avoid nasty surprises. | ||
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On January 18 2012 15:27 vaderseven wrote: What does everyone find to be most important event or two most important? I want kany of you to answer. Convince me of what you see as important as something I should focus on. VE's failclaim: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13141361 Ok, not that important, but still a bright spot in d1. d1 mayor votes, noting how few: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13145147 Protactinium's n1 post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13156314 Sandroba/BC mason log: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13156712 Mason claims for reference: Mattchew: Masoned Foolishness d1 (no logs?), modkilled for posting inbox. BloodyC0bbler: Masoned Sandroba d1 (log above), unknown since. ~OpZ~: Masoned BC d1 (log above, short), unknown since. Jitsu: Masoned VisceraEyes d1 (no logs?), masoned Bill Murray d2. Bill Murray claimed another unnamed person masoned him on d2 as well. Filters to read: Bill Murray and L at least. GGQ is claiming scum so I wouldn't worry about him. There were some interesting side-cases made in d2 which I didn't read as well as I should have. Some of those should probably be here. | ||
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On January 18 2012 21:47 EchelonTee wrote: LOL GGQ claimed scum? Slight artistic license, but that's certainly what it looks like if you do the absolute minimum to dodge a modkill. | ||
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On January 18 2012 21:46 EchelonTee wrote: Does anyone else think that this post is horrendous? It's incredibly neutral, saying that "man there's a lot of people who look scummy, don't know what to do", which is kind of trivializing discussion. and slightly discredits jay's post, and his conclusion that sandro is scum. Eh. He has a valid point about JayJay's post though. I had a real wtf moment when I got to the conclusion: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13162408 Probably just confirmation bias though. He has a scum read on Sandroba already, and he's desperately looking for confirmation in data that doesn't really support it. | ||
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OpZ's opinion on BM: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13179743 Foolishness's opinion on BM (somewhat old): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13168300 Really important post there. Should have been in my list for VaderSeven. | ||
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On January 19 2012 01:43 Toadesstern wrote: another important thing would be a blue being modkilled in your list I guess  Modkills are less important than any other kill. We're not modhunting here. Your post here concerns me because it smells of "I'm so town that I still weep for our stupid dead mason". Besides, haven't you ever caught up on a game? Unless you're just reading for fun, the first thing you read is the player roster. | ||
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On January 19 2012 02:35 L wrote: It should be pretty obvious to anyone who looks at the final stretch of voting that mafia wanted BM in office, but weren't worried by a slow vote bus for BC to close out the night, which implies that out of the three candidates, at least two were mafia. In the last 2 minutes of voting, A Proact mayor/BM Jailor result turned into a BC Mayor/Proact Jailor result and then switched to a BC mayor/BM result. What about the theory that mafia were happy for BC to get elected regardless of alignment because he was going to lynch Palmar or Protactinium? | ||
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On January 19 2012 03:26 VisceraEyes wrote: Whatever, everyone seems to be discounting the idea that Protact is scum - why is that? Huh? He certainly makes more sense as the scum candidate than BM does, as far as I'm concerned. Looking at the list of players who voted (election) for Protact, all I can say is that if he's a scum candidate, scum weren't actually trying to elect him. I suppose that's marginally possible... | ||
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