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jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
January 20 2012 23:23 GMT
#3057
On January 21 2012 08:08 Jayjay54 wrote:
how is a GGQ lynch information free? if he flips red, chaos is red too. I don't see how a KJ or BM lynch provides more information.

Yeah, you're right. If Chaosquo shows up, I'll switch to GGQ.

jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
January 21 2012 00:25 GMT
#3091
On January 21 2012 09:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm here and my votes are for sale. Protact pushing Sandroba so hard is SOOOOOOOO suspicious to me. Like, think about it: he's been "scumhunting" all game - why lynch Sandroba? There's no new information (although arguably that is part of Protact's problem with him), so what makes him more likely to flip red today than yesterday BEFORE Macpo got lynched? I mean, if it's about his activity, why not go after someone like BrownBear or evantrees or something?

Sandroba's recent inactivity is certainly my problem with him. There are a whole bunch of lurkers including BrownBear and Evantrees with little to choose between them, so voting for them is like half a vote for Bill Murray.

jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
January 21 2012 00:57 GMT
#3122
EchelonTee's only game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=296791&currentpage=22
Very strong scum play for a first game IMO. I wouldn't underestimate him.

jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
January 21 2012 01:08 GMT
#3127
@Hiro: Yeah, I thought you might be. It explains why your case on Sandro was both balls-out and shit

jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
January 21 2012 01:11 GMT
#3133
Hmm. That wouldn't be the first mistake in the OP.

Does the detective get the role, the alignment or both in this game?
jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
January 21 2012 01:32 GMT
#3154
Also nothing BM does makes any damn sense, so while it's true by normal playing standards that he shouldn't have been campaigning for mayor, it's not a strong argument here.

jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
January 21 2012 02:09 GMT
#3177
On January 21 2012 11:03 GGQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2012 11:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
On January 21 2012 11:00 wherebugsgo wrote:
On January 21 2012 10:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
I like how I'm like, marked for death tonight and no one gives a shit what I say.

Cool guys. Consider this my last post.


why the fuck do you always think you're going to get shot?



BECAUSE I GOT SHOT LAST NIGHT YOU FUCKING TARD


chill out, if you die we'll check your filter

Man, that was so funny that I almost don't want to kill you anymore.

jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
January 21 2012 12:30 GMT
#3304
@Bill: You seem to be implying that you only have one night action. I don't think this is correct. Also your mayor run makes even less sense from a town perspective if that's what you believed.

If Bill is a Mad Hatter, he could remove a bomb, plant a bomb and jail someone in one night, correct?

Regardless, your absolute priority as a townie should be to remove the bomb from Protactinium, so if you claim to have done otherwise, I'll assume it's just a scum survival gambit and vote you tomorrow.

jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
January 21 2012 12:49 GMT
#3307
On January 21 2012 19:56 Jayjay54 wrote:
Do you REALLY think they have the commitment to fake lake 8 pages of skyping? This looks genuine to me. It is a fuck ton of work to fake something that well. I am not even capable of faking a conversation that well.

I don't think it's a fake conversation, but that doesn't mean that BC isn't scum. The way to do this is to build up your PM log during the day in realtime as if you really were masoning. Check it for anything too incriminating before posting it, and you're done.

On January 21 2012 19:56 Jayjay54 wrote:
We actually might consider L being the scum candidate. He ended up being godfather, so apparently scum wanted to give him DT immunitiy. If L was the red candidate and just couldn't get the leverage behind his campaing...

Yeah, I think there's a possibility that mafia completely screwed up and failed to get any candidates into a good enough position to use their voting leverage without exposing themselves. L & Sandro's no-votes and a lot of suspicious players avoiding the top 3 supports that.

Overall I can see valid arguments for 0, 1 and 2 scum in the elected positions, so we'll just have to judge them individually on merit.

jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
January 21 2012 13:07 GMT
#3310
On January 21 2012 21:55 rgTheSchworz wrote:
I am expecting hiro to claim jailed, regardless of whether it is the truth or not. This actually helps town nail BM, is a relatively undetectable lie, as if he isn't Jailed/RB he can give his reads with 1 day delay. So unless hiro is SCUM,
prepare for a jailed claim.

No. Hiro would have to be madder than BM to pull something like that in this situation, regardless of whether he's town or scum. This post together with the one where you assume there's a roleblocker have made me somewhat suspicious of you.

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jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
January 21 2012 13:18 GMT
#3312
Because:

1. Most of town wants to lynch BM anyway.
2. Hiro would have to think that his own read of BM was much better than average.
3. Someone else might claim jailed.
4. The downside is monstrous compared to the upside. Want to waste a day lynching a DT?

jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
January 21 2012 18:21 GMT
#3346
On January 22 2012 02:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2012 18:17 Bill Murray wrote:
yeah lynch me when i was all over sandroba, and didnt want to lynch kingjames
sandroba flipping red makes you look terrible
foolishness's list is a joke, I am seriously doubting both of your abilities to lead the town right now, so I'm going to have to take over the reigns, gentlemen.


Why? would you be taking the reigns? Between myself, foolishness, and protract a total of 4 reds have been called out who have flipped red. More to the point however, the lynches that hit two of those reds were pushed/directed by us. You were "all over sandroba" yet you never analyzed him, or strongly and vocally pushed him as a lynch option and instead just voted alongside everyone else. You sheeped.

I don't think this is true. Bill Murray has pushed Sandroba hard from day 1, and made a substantial case back then. Whatever else you can say about him, he does come out of this flip with some credit.

jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
January 21 2012 21:02 GMT
#3367
On January 22 2012 04:52 Jayjay54 wrote:
After looking through his filter, I am sure evantree is scum.
[snip]
a) ZERO contributions. He actually has some posts, but none contribute scumhunting in any way. He never accused anyone.

Yeah. Unfortunately this is exactly how he played in Election Mafia. I'd have had him lynched easily if it wasn't for his proven blue claim (it was a very weak role). I even told him after the game that he needed to start accusing people, so his play here has been very disappointing to me.

I wouldn't vig him personally because the meta gives him a low chance of being mafia, but if he doesn't step up his play soon I'll get angry.

@Evantrees: Three scum reads please. With reasons.

jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
January 21 2012 22:29 GMT
#3379
On January 22 2012 07:20 Lanaia wrote:
Can someone direct me to the BC/Protact logs? I'm having trouble finding them.

BC hasn't posted them yet, just the Foolishness and VE ones.

On January 22 2012 07:20 Lanaia wrote:
igabod (hasn't posted since the 14th...? or was he replaced and I missed it?)

I replaced him.

jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
January 22 2012 14:03 GMT
#3555
On January 22 2012 20:40 Jayjay54 wrote:
Look at the time stamps, look at how much time they spent! They were talking for like 5 hours straight. So the timestamps are real. Roleplaying for 5 hours? Just for the case sandro gets lynched? If sandro wasn't lynched that log is practically worthless. There is so little benefit and so much work?

If they really spent 5 hours of their life "falsetalking" just in case one gets lynched, they need to chekc the life priorities

Dude, we're all playing this damned game, and your filter is huge

I have no doubt that those logs could be mafia vs mafia, written realtime. Note also how little of it is actual scumhunting. There's a lot of general chat, a lot of Protact-defense from Sandroba and some light commentary. Also note that BC is allegedly better at this stuff than Sandroba, and enjoys it a lot more.

jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
January 22 2012 14:38 GMT
#3558
On January 22 2012 20:07 Cwave wrote:
Got mason'd by Jitsu last day and i can confirm that BM atleast provided the same two names as BG's to us. With that, we also saw BC list one of the Bg's as scum that BM provided us. Why would a mayor list one of his bg as scum?

Actually I think this move makes more sense from a town-BM perspective than anything else he's done in this game, given that he's paranoid, crazy, likes to claim towntells and has a strong scum read on Sandroba.

Let's say Bill has one of his "towntells" on one of the BGs, but he's quite suspicious of the other. Two reasons for naming Sandroba instead of the townie:

1. He might get a two-for-the-price-of-one scumlynch if he gets killed.
2. He might get a reaction out of Cwave or Jitsu if they're scum because they'll know he's lying.

jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
January 22 2012 14:40 GMT
#3559
Although BM lying about the bodyguard(s) also makes sense from a scum perspective, as an attempt to push suspicion away from Sandroba.

jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
January 22 2012 14:46 GMT
#3561
Yeah, the only question is whether it tells us anything about BM's alignment. I'm not sure that it does.

jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
January 22 2012 15:11 GMT
#3568
On January 23 2012 00:01 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2012 23:46 jaj22 wrote:
Yeah, the only question is whether it tells us anything about BM's alignment. I'm not sure that it does.


quick question: need to know who you replaced. could you do me the favor and tell me? :p

Igabod. I linked his filter in my second post.

Also I think I completely misread Cwave's post about the bodyguards so don't take too much notice of my shit

Need more sleep.
jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
January 22 2012 16:04 GMT
#3575
Google translate is fine, really. They're talking about whether I should be an orange read for flopping on Macpo and Sandroba at the end. To which I'd reply:

1. Macpo had something like 16 votes on him and was basically dead when I defended him. That would be some seriously dumb scum play. I eventually voted for him because he quit playing, like I said in the thread. I suspect scum had a lot more warning about that than I did.

2. I read a lot of Sandroba's games during day 3 to check his meta and came to the conclusion that he was at least plausible scum. Then he posted one drunken line in three days so I guessed he'd quit playing too.

I'm happier with those votes that my KingJames one, because I have a bad habit of reading people as scum just because they're abusive. I'd have voted GGQ otherwise in the situation though, and I'm pissed off at him for not trying even after Protact switched his read.

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