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On January 14 2012 11:49 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 11:39 Jackal58 wrote:On January 14 2012 11:13 bumatlarge wrote:On January 14 2012 11:06 bumatlarge wrote:On January 14 2012 10:50 Jackal58 wrote:On January 14 2012 10:48 bumatlarge wrote:
ATTENTION THOSE WHO READ BUM'S POSTS
I like BC, and I think his goals are pro-town, but I also feel our best move is to not make him mayor based on that. He has stated to me that he is not expecting to win from his claim, but I would like him to live up to that self-less expectation. If he has a good lynch candidate, then I'll get behind him. Town masons, it's up to you how you feel you shoul act based on BC's proposal, but be prepared to explain exactly why you haven't followed up on it already.
Cyber_Cheese is my lynch choice at the moment if I get voted in. He had a very "why not?" campaign, got himself into multiple players scopes early on and I feel like people are actively not discussing candidates for lynch. If there are a few people who are actual scum, distractions like endlessly swamping BC with point-less accusations about his claim, scum tend to not like talking about them.
BC, if you vote for me, I'd prefer to have you as sheriff where you can mantain your protection while being ut under the microscope with your claim. That sounds reasonable, no?
@meapak: I'm not reliable? lol please bro, I'm the most reliable person in this game. I'm readable and smart, and as mayor I can nail that one-time lynch, and then my votes will always be reliably placed. I HAD RESPONSIBILITY COMPLETELY UNDER MY THUMB... regardless of what my voting history said lol. You said this a while ago so, if you think I'm not good enough to be mayor just come out and say it cupcake.
Who is still running? THREAD PRESCENCE PEOPLE. If I can't remember if you are running or not, then you might as well opt out. Any half-assed campaigns by townies are detrimental, because I'll take your ass to court in analysis if you said you were campaigning and coughed up empty in the useful department. RPGs dude. You killed us.  Please stop bringing this up, I had posted multiple times in the QT what we were going to do, and I had to manage your massive failure in the item game, as well as all these items in the black market that were OP as hell. You wanna push this, then blame it on the mods or something. As far as I was concerned, I was 1 of the only two useful townies that game, and I would have won it single handedly. Bringing this up is just a testament to how amazing I am as a leader. Thanks jackal, I'm expecting your vote any minute now. EBWOP: Forgive this post, I got angry. If you really think I'd play this game exactly the way I would play insane mafia 2 where I was the police chief and the mayor, and you think someone here would have done a better job in the same position, then fine. I'm opting out of the race. I'm clearly not meant to be mayor on TL ever again. That said, Slardar, the strength of the mayor is how much ressure is put on them by deciding the lynch. Scum can run bullshit campaigns if all they need to live up to is having +3 voting power and night protection. Scum mayor's get massive amounts of flak very quickly because it becomes apparent rather quickly that they don't have town's best interest. I'm sorry Bum. I had no intention of pissing you off. You are one of my favorite people on here. Aw, you're one of my favorites too. But prepare your anus if you bring that up again. I'd probably vote for someone who was going to lynch cyber_cheese, or explains a better candidate. I don't see why ciryandor or palmar are scum over cheese.
look at any day 1 where Palmar is scum and compare it to this game.
There is a certain specific one I want you to look at. Wiggles knows what I'm talking about.
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On January 14 2012 11:56 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 11:46 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 14 2012 11:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
Wiggles go vote for me right now and don't move your vote DUDE
I'll be the bestest Mayor Liquidia has EVER SEEN. shut up about being mayor and start doing something useful. This is why I hate mayoral elections; they bring day 1 to shit by muddying everything up and allowing scum to just prance around happily doing whatever the hell they want. Stop giving the mafia fields of flowers to frisk around in. Start scumhunting. Give me your opinion on Palmar to begin with. I was starting to think he's not a good lynch for today, but honestly he's been more useless than his 'useless D1 town' meta would suggest, so I think he's probably scum...he's not hiding it or anything. I'll never understand what his deal is - the thing about playing scum is you just play like a fucking townie, and we all know how much he LOVES playing town...fucking dumb. But yeah, I think he's probably scum, but it's too early in the day to say if he's a good lynch or not (he might bring the pain here in a few hours, who the fuck knows?) I'm ABSOLUTELY down with killing it with fire if he doesn't step it up before the lynch tomorrow. Where the shit were you like 8 hours ago when I was having this conversation with Palmar? I could have used the backup. My 'g' key is fucking broken.
I was asleep 8 hours ago. I stayed up till like 5:30 lol. (8 hours ago was 11 am here)
also Palmar's day 1 meta as town is not be useless. It's establish himself as town. He's done nothing so far to do that. That's a common theme among his scum games; on day 1 he keeps posting one liners and not doing anything.
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=87086
bum I don't know what you see, but what about any of these posts has utility in any way shape or form for town?
In what world is Palmar "not 100% useless" in his current state?
None of his posts have breached one line and almost all of them have 0 content. He says Meapak is good, which isn't very helpful, he calls kita's (very valid concerns about his play, mind) dumb, he calls VE dumb and bad, he asks a noob how he knows his meta, and he wants to vote Protact because of a half-assed early game case on ciryandor.
If you seriously believe Palmar is not useless then I have to question your angle.
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no, lynching Palmar is not like lynching a lurker. It's like lynching someone whose meta you know really well because you play with them all the time and you know they can't be town because when they are town they don't do this stupid shit that they do when they're scum and blah blah blah run on yeah you get the idea palmar scum cause he sucks as scum and his play sucks
lol
anyway Protact's posting makes sense, but I'm not fully on the trust Protact wagon yet. Not sure if BC is a great lynch today because he hasn't been useless. He's been making contributions. It's true that he has derailed the town into talking about masons, but part of that is the town's own stupidity. As I said before, what BC has done can be a calculated risk to go for the mayor position. I'm not willing to elect him, but I'm not willing to lynch him either. This is mostly because BC is very hard to read and what he has done so far is not conclusively alignment-suggestive.
Palmar, on the other hand, is one of the easiest players to read. Routinely in games he's the first person I have a town read on (or a scum read, in this case). Having played many games with Palmar, (almost all of my games have had Palmar in them) I know what he looks like as scum and as town. This is not a townie Palmar.
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On January 14 2012 14:54 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Are you saying this to get Palmar to post more? For instance if he kicks up his game and starts posting a lot, will you still think he is scum?
I realize I'm ignoring the rest you said about Prot and BC, I agree with you mostly on that as well. From knowing my fair share of people who when they roll scum they play with very little posts (in fact my first game I feel scum lost because of Palmar's inability to post or even make an attempt) so I'm definitely not saying to trust Palmar, just I don't think we've given him enough time yet.
no, I'm saying this to get you guys to realize that he needs to be lynched.
I don't care what potential he has as town to improve, because he's almost certainly not town and he's been given more than enough time to "improve" so far. He's not town. Kill his ass.
Since none of the current candidates want to lynch Palmar, vote me if you want to see him die. I will run on the platform that Palmar dies today.
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people who need to die:
Palmar
opz
cyber cheese
people who need to post more, and if are consistent with their current state, should die eventually:
sheth
people who are neutralish but if continue to say stupid things should die:
bumatlarge
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On January 14 2012 17:38 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 17:29 wherebugsgo wrote:
people who need to die:
Palmar
opz
cyber cheese
people who need to post more, and if are consistent with their current state, should die eventually:
sheth
people who are neutralish but if continue to say stupid things should die:
bumatlarge Palmar you covered. Why opz/me/sheth/bum?
nvm upon rereading you're not necessarily scum.
just kinda slow
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On January 14 2012 19:40 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
If I'm elected, I'm going to lynch BC for two reasons.
It's much easier to post as town. PM games are pro-town, and masons are a step closer to that. Posting on a mason QT and in the thread is much easier than having to appear townie on two fronts. Mafia masons only exsist to allow us to doubt the allegiance of town masons. BC seems to trying to scare us out of using one of our advantages.
BC seems like an intelligent player, and as such, I doubt he would have offered a plan unless he knew it was going to assure him some sort of benefit. Contrary to what someone said, people did have some time pre-game to speculate on the setup. BC showed in mafia XLVIII? (the 80p game) that he did put effort into thinking through strategies before games started.
this doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
Also, you have a snowball's chance in hell of being elected because your campaign is awful. This is actually why I thought you were scum. You very well might still be scum, and I might just be overestimating your badness, but I guess I'll wait and see on that one since I believe Palmar to be nearly 100% scum at this point.
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On January 14 2012 19:52 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 19:46 Palmar wrote:On January 14 2012 07:19 GGQ wrote:
By the way, Palmar should not be given a free pass to post badly on day 1 so that he won't be killed night 1. That's just silly logic. Should kenpachi be? Palmar, you know you're playing bad, I know you're playing bad, WBG knows you're playing bad. Right now I think you were trying to see who jumped on you for your play. Gambit's over, it's time for you to be useful. And the fact that you compare yourself to kenpachi should really indicate that you've taken this little game as far as it's gonna run. Tell us what you learned by doing what you did.
this is definitely not a gambit, not after the way the previous games unfolded for Palmar. Steamship, XLVII, XLVIII, and another one that I will not name. Palmar KNOWS that the #1 priority for any and every townie day 1 is to establish his or her own innocence. He has failed to do anything to even come close to that. With less than 24 hours left in the day we don't have time to screw around anymore.
We kill him today.
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On January 14 2012 19:57 Palmar wrote:
Wherebugsgo, can you summarize your case against me in one post so I can break it down and tell you why you're dumb and bad, possibly scum.
I don't explain shit to scum
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On January 14 2012 20:02 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 19:59 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 14 2012 19:57 Palmar wrote:
Wherebugsgo, can you summarize your case against me in one post so I can break it down and tell you why you're dumb and bad, possibly scum. I don't explain shit to scum Explain it to me then.
go read my filter
in one word, meta.
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On January 14 2012 20:08 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 20:04 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 14 2012 20:02 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On January 14 2012 19:59 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 14 2012 19:57 Palmar wrote:
Wherebugsgo, can you summarize your case against me in one post so I can break it down and tell you why you're dumb and bad, possibly scum. I don't explain shit to scum Explain it to me then. go read my filter in one word, meta. So, knowing each game is a different game, and that meta is not valid unless it's applied very precisely (you can't say something like x has posted less than usual, what's important is how, why and what he has posted), you still think that you have a valid enough case? Would you bet your abilities as a player on this case?
if I'm wrong about you being scum right now it reflects more on how bad your play is right now than mine.
The fact that you are willing to try and guilt me into laying off you suggests you already know I'm town. Otherwise, you wouldn't ask whether I am willing to bet my abilities as a player on this case, since if I was scum I'd have no vested interest in something like that.
So, that just strengthens my case even more.
TL;DR, go die, scum.
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On January 14 2012 21:01 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 20:02 Macpo wrote:
It's getting clear that Bill Murray is the way to go.
Mr Wiggles, a good town, but he just doesn't want to be on the stage too much, so I guess the mayor role doesn't suit him very well.
BC: way too unclear and risky for me; he is trying too much stuff, going for a thousand contradictory stuff, taking back what he said and so on.
Bill has shown a lot of presence, and has made reasonable analyses, plus he is not afraid. That's enough for me up to now, I think we won't have better than that.
To those complaining about me being rational, it's getting obvious that they prefer random one line crap to argumentation. I'll answer back when they'll meet my standards.
Also, I changed my mind on Cybercheese, as he opened my eyes on the the BC case.
To bill: some people here have NOT posted yet at all!! I feel fine about lynching sandroba, as he acts quite scummy, but I suggest that if you are elected, you lynch someone who has not talked yet. statistics we'll be that it is mafia. Your list of election candidates is lacking. My post there was heavily inspired by Protactinium. I'm not voting him because outside of that post focused purely on BC, he doesn't seem to have left many opinions on anything, or made any promises we can hold him to, but as is, he seems like one of the better candidates. Also, what are your stances on Kitaman, VisceraEyes and MrWigglesShow nested quote +On January 14 2012 20:51 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 14 2012 20:08 Palmar wrote:On January 14 2012 20:04 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 14 2012 20:02 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On January 14 2012 19:59 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 14 2012 19:57 Palmar wrote:
Wherebugsgo, can you summarize your case against me in one post so I can break it down and tell you why you're dumb and bad, possibly scum. I don't explain shit to scum Explain it to me then. go read my filter in one word, meta. So, knowing each game is a different game, and that meta is not valid unless it's applied very precisely (you can't say something like x has posted less than usual, what's important is how, why and what he has posted), you still think that you have a valid enough case? Would you bet your abilities as a player on this case? if I'm wrong about you being scum right now it reflects more on how bad your play is right now than mine. The fact that you are willing to try and guilt me into laying off you suggests you already know I'm town. Otherwise, you wouldn't ask whether I am willing to bet my abilities as a player on this case, since if I was scum I'd have no vested interest in something like that. So, that just strengthens my case even more. TL;DR, go die, scum. WBG, you might be right, but with meta alone you aren't very convincing. Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 20:57 Palmar wrote:On January 14 2012 20:51 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 14 2012 20:08 Palmar wrote:On January 14 2012 20:04 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 14 2012 20:02 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On January 14 2012 19:59 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 14 2012 19:57 Palmar wrote:
Wherebugsgo, can you summarize your case against me in one post so I can break it down and tell you why you're dumb and bad, possibly scum. I don't explain shit to scum Explain it to me then. go read my filter in one word, meta. So, knowing each game is a different game, and that meta is not valid unless it's applied very precisely (you can't say something like x has posted less than usual, what's important is how, why and what he has posted), you still think that you have a valid enough case? Would you bet your abilities as a player on this case? if I'm wrong about you being scum right now it reflects more on how bad your play is right now than mine. The fact that you are willing to try and guilt me into laying off you suggests you already know I'm town. Otherwise, you wouldn't ask whether I am willing to bet my abilities as a player on this case, since if I was scum I'd have no vested interest in something like that. So, that just strengthens my case even more. TL;DR, go die, scum. No, because you don't have a case. My play is in no way, shape, or form bad. Take away the Palmar name, and you have someone you'd probably have a town read on. This means you're not reading the game objectively, and thus it's your play that's bad, not mine. If you remove meta from a case, it should still have some merit to it. Does yours? The only possible way you're playing well right now, is if you're scum. You always get trapped in an 'I'm being accused, the person must be scum' state of mind Palmar. Remember what happened with Ace in XLVIII?
I'm not in the least bit surprised in your response; I didn't bother to reiterate myself because I knew you wouldn't understand my argument to begin with.
Go back and read my filter again if you are town.
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also for anyone who is legitimately concerned that I am tunneling Palmar so early in the game, go look at what I did in Steamship, XLVII, Resurrection, etc. After I saw Palmar's scum play in XLV I have found that there are consistent patterns in his play that almost never change. He admits this himself; he knows his scum play is not good.
However, his town play is incredibly easy to figure out. This is actually why it makes him a pretty good town player; he establishes his innocence very quickly. This is why, in Resurrection, in Steamship, and in XLVII I spent almost no time at all in concluding that Palmar was town. It's just stupidly easy to do so.
In this game, there is absolutely no reason to think Palmar is town. In over 24 hours, there has not been a single reason to do so. That's an incredibly long amount of time for someone who is normally as active as Palmar. Of course there isn't going to be anything much stronger than a meta argument at this stage in the game for someone like Palmar, with the kind of scum playstyle that Palmar has. This is true almost by definition; scum Palmar puts next to nothing in thread, and is, quite literally, absolutely worthless to town.
I personally am surprised that players like Wiggles and bum have not caught onto this yet. Maybe I'm paranoid, maybe I'm seeing things. But certainly I believe 100% that the best lynch for today is Palmar. I wouldn't say this if I didn't fully believe it, since I probably have played more with Palmar in the last 3 months than anyone else here. I know his current play. If you don't believe me, that's fine, but I don't see anyone pushing anyone better for lynch.
Let's stop this stupid mason discussion shit and actually move on to hunting scum. Too many of you have been saying you'll do it and then not actually following up. We have around 15 hours left in the day and no candidates have any real momentum, and the scumhunting is still extraordinarily minimum.
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alright, I need to get my sleep schedule back -_-
I'm here, I just have around 15-20 pages to read.
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lol
this game is stupid.
Mafia are leading us all in every which way and none of you have yet to realize it. In fact, I'll bet a lot of money that at least 8 out of 10 of them are literally doing nothing while one or two are doing the majority of the posting.
The two players that have stood out to me most today as scummy are opz and Palmar. I think they need to die. Protactinium changing from BC to macpo after Foolishness says he's suspicious of macpo is incredibly suspicious. IMO Protactinium is probably scum too, mostly because I don't actually see how Macpo is anything other than a noob, and the timing of the suspicion change is in itself suspicious.
We also very obviously have a lot of masons, which makes stuff like this:
On January 15 2012 06:20 Palmar wrote:
I think this game is infested with masons and jacks, and I think the sooner we realize this, the sooner we can actually start getting something done.
useless filler.
On January 15 2012 06:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Also wtf is up with the triple vote on WBG? That look suspicious as hell and I'm not going near that with a 10 foot pole.
I don't know what that was about, but imagine how stupid it would be if I was scum. I'm pretty sure it was just coincidental. I don't know the alignments of the players who voted me, but I personally don't find it suspicious, just coincidental.
At this point I'm pretty far from winning (I think, I only have 4 votes? and BC and Protact should have more from what I saw in the thread) and no one seems to agree that Palmar needs to get lynched. Which is, honestly, depressing. It probably means whoever gets elected into office will lynch some noob who ends up flipping town, and then we find out nothing about the alignment of the elected official.
Foolishness: If you are here, I would like to hear your opinion on Palmar and also on who you think we should lynch. Is it Macpo? If so, why are you pushing such a new player despite the fact that plenty of other players have played similarly to him? Why are you concerned with a player who is potentially much harder to read than the dozens of veterans in this game?
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Lanaia, if you agree with lynching Palmar can you explain why you don't want me elected?
Who are you looking at voting for?
I don't particularly care for getting elected. All I care about is scum dying. So far I don't think macpo is scum and none of the other candidates have come up with anything promising. So, that means the only option to get Palmar lynched is to elect me in to office.
(this is suboptimal, for reasons I won't explicitly explain)
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On January 15 2012 10:24 Palmar wrote:
So, it's 1 am my time now.
WBG, I think you're town, however, you're playing terribly. You don't have a case on me, you've never written one up. If you remove meta from your case you're literally stuck with nothing.
I suggest we put visceraeyes and protactinium in the office. I would prefer a BC or Cyri lynch, maybe even sandroba.
Anyone who's town and voting for someone that intends to lynch me, needs to take a look at what they're doing, because I'm not the one playing badly, I've simply posted less than usual. There is nothing you have on me expect meta, thus the case is completely invalid, and when I flip town, you will have proven yourselves to be really dumb and bad.
It's one thing voting for a bad case, but voting for a non-existant one?
Anyway, make the right decision, nighty.
I don't need an explicitly written case just because someone who I think is scum asks for one. I really don't understand what mafia players attempt to accomplish when they insist there's no case on them and then demand one. It's just a waste of time.
Which, I suppose, is a win for you. You love wasting time as scum.
Cases don't become invalid because they use meta. The fact that you're suggesting something that Cyber_Cheese would agree with is pretty damning of you. (no offense, Cyber_Cheese, but it's clear you don't actually understand how powerful meta is)
Also, it's funny you choose to defend yourself and have not put forth ANYTHING about anyone you think is scum, and go to sleep only a few hours before deadline instead of actually doing something productive. You have no interest in town affairs beyond looking townie or at least surviving till day 2 because this town is full of pussies who aren't willing to lynch a vet day 1.
Man up, all of you, and lynch this guy.
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Get your votes off Protact+VE.
At least one of them is very likely to be scum at this point.
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On January 15 2012 10:20 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 10:14 wherebugsgo wrote:
Lanaia, if you agree with lynching Palmar can you explain why you don't want me elected?
Who are you looking at voting for?
I don't particularly care for getting elected. All I care about is scum dying. So far I don't think macpo is scum and none of the other candidates have come up with anything promising. So, that means the only option to get Palmar lynched is to elect me in to office.
(this is suboptimal, for reasons I won't explicitly explain) you think sandroba is town?
not at this time, no.
I have no reason to believe sandro is town, but likewise I don't have much reason to believe he is scum either.
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