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On January 19 2012 05:00 Toadesstern wrote:
that's what I'm talking about for 2 days pretty much. Noone gets attacked but me.
That's not really true. The big swings have been against BM and L.
I am pushing sandroba, there's other people pushing someone else but they don't get attacked. I am literally only pushing sandro everything else is exactly the same yet I'm being stoned in here. That is one of the reasons I'm sticking with sandroba :p
Maybe they're just pissed that your logic is so bad that you're unreadable despite a 10-page filter 
Meh. If I'm still alive tomorrow I promise to get off my arse and deconstruct your case on Sandroba properly. Maybe I'll do jayjay's Sandro/BC case at the same time.
For what it's worth you're not in my top 8. I definitely want Jackal in there though. Way too many one-line posts, which fits this game's scum ethos of being completely useless.
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@Toadesstern: I know. Hence the promise.
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The point here is that Prot & Fool are such obvious targets that you want the mafia to fear even double-stacking them. Medics should not consider this an absolute order, however.
One option is to do something like this: Pick your own target that you think is likely to be hit tonight, and RNG them together with Prot & Fool.
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On January 19 2012 10:05 Foolishness wrote:
Does night end at 7pm PST?
My times are all screwed but two hours from now, whenever that is.
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Concurred on Hiro. From what I've seen of his town play he's normally apathetic and useless, while here he comes straight out with an aggressive case.
Also his case is even worse than the other Sandroba cases. Does he seriously think that Sandroba's day 1 play was strongly pro-town? Toad at least got that description right with "trolling".
Is Hiro reading all the guides backwards?
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I don't see how anyone can not want to kill GGQ at this point. If he's town, he's effectively playing for the other side.
Hopefully he'll get shot tonight and free up some space for more productive discussion.
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1. Mason logs please. Especially if they're realtime like the Sandro/BC one.
2. VE hasn't shot anyone yet? Really? I'm a bit puzzled by the lack of vig shots in general. There are plenty of good targets, and scum are shooting into the midfield. Note that scum may be hiding a roleblocker by roleblocking their kill targets.
3. GGQ's vig-begging post:
On January 18 2012 13:12 GGQ wrote:
Yeah so I hard defended macpo because I thought he posted like I did when I was new.
It's probably better to vig me tonight instead of wasting a lynch.
Ok, what if there's also a jack-medic covering GGQ? Or even BM incarcerating GGQ? The latter might not sound like a good plan because of the KP loss, but scum would effectively be extending the game by a day, increasing their cumulative KP. As a significant side benefit, a scum could plausibly claim medic save or vet.
My main issue with this theory is that I'm sure GGQ could have made a much scummier post if he'd tried.
4. BM's Hatter claim:
Given his list of preferred targets, isn't this blackmail? I suppose he's doing it wrong because he'd be claiming to have two bombs down.
5. Sandroba:
On January 19 2012 11:59 Protactinium wrote:
Sandroba. Again, abyssmal day 2 posting compared to day 1.
Really? I thought his day 2 posting looked like standard town Sandroba. It's not like his post quality is ever that great. Can someone name some recent Sandroba town games? I want to check his meta in case I'm misremembering.
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@Lanaia: You want Bill to blow up two of Foolishness/Protact/BC?
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I'm suggesting that if Bill Murray is telling the truth, he's likely to bomb two of those three. He said so in the claim post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13195276
Looking at Slardar:
Wow, this guy is terrible. Trolls most of day 1, complains about attempts to scumhunt, does absolutely no scumhunting himself. Transitions into lurking.
##Vote Slardar
Post your scum reads or die.
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I'm having doubts about BM too. Maybe OpZ is right and he's just a bad player posting whatever random junk comes into his head.
Jitsu: What do you think? Any chance of a mason log?
Also I don't like anything in Protact's latest scumread post, which is scaring the shit out of me.
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On January 20 2012 02:25 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 00:24 jaj22 wrote:
@Lanaia: You want Bill to blow up two of Foolishness/Protact/BC?
What? Do YOU want Bill Murray to blow up two of those 3? Analyse Foolishness and Protactinium for yourself. They ARE and HAVE BEEN pro-Town from the beginning. Until that changes they should not be targetted.
That was my point. I should probably make those clearer.
On January 20 2012 02:25 kingjames01 wrote:
What about Protactinium's latest post don't you like? Analyse it for us and tell us what you think.
Ok. I forgot about a couple of bits that I was fine with, so my statement was inaccurate. Here goes:
On January 19 2012 11:59 Protactinium wrote:GGQ is cool. Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 13:12 GGQ wrote:
Yeah so I hard defended macpo because I thought he posted like I did when I was new.
It's probably better to vig me tonight instead of wasting a lynch. Mafia don't send out reminders that they defended mafia. Mafia also don't ask to be vigged, since they can't influence vigs, but they certainly can influence lynches. Nobody lynch him today, keke?
I covered this in another post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13201470
On January 19 2012 11:59 Protactinium wrote:
BM. In contrast to BM's day 1 posting, his day 2 is abyssmal. Its also become less frequent too, which exactly fits my prediction if he is mafia, as his mafia play deteriorates rapidly (for cross reference, TL Mafia XXII where he is the mafia GF). And yes I should be one to know this read as I was mafia with him in that game.
This is absolutely true except that BM had a really spammy patch in day 2, so I'm not too sure about the frequency point yet. In TL Mafia XXII his post count crashes at the end of day 2 and stays low.
On January 19 2012 11:59 Protactinium wrote:ToadessternShow nested quote +On January 19 2012 10:56 Toadesstern wrote:
I'd actually willing to lynch BM + GGQ tomorrow. I still think my case is good but I don't like the arguments of the people joining me :p
However I don't like the people telling me it's wrong either because there's nothing they got to say.
The only ones I like right now are people you are not commenting it at all but that's not helping me at all :p Filter all of Toadesstern's posts. Search for all instances of GGQ. Confirm that Toadesstern has never made a case on GGQ, and has in fact been preventing his lynch all yesterday. "I still think my case is good"? Lol. Bullshit. See a trend here? Also combine with my pressure yesterday, which showed that Toadesstern somehow knew what happened behind the scenes with sandroba influencing BC with Palmar's lynch.
What? Toad was trying to protect his scumbuddy GGQ and get his scumbuddies Sandroba and Macpo lynched instead? I don't buy the Palmar lynch influence knowledge point because it's quite plausible that Toad just jumped to a conclusion. I don't think it's even an illogical conclusion from the "compromise" post.
I'm guessing this is a pressure case because Protact can't get a read out of Toad's filter any more than I can
On January 19 2012 11:59 Protactinium wrote:
Sandroba. Again, abyssmal day 2 posting compared to day 1. The case totally makes sense if you consider that Toadesstern somehow knows what goes on between sandroba/BC. As for explanations related to Ciryandor, yeah, mafia usually don't do that. But they do avoid pushing too hard where they can avoid it. Sandroba was never a viable mayor candidate, never votes for mayor (neutral, I suppose, but he doesn't vote for the person who brought up the Ciryandor case - read: me), and influences the Palmar lynch. Over Ciryandor, the person whose death he has supposedly been calling for all game in thread. Combined, these points outweigh his in thread support of Ciryandor. I know I vocally said he was town yesterday. But I lied. I only said that because I needed to get macpo lynched first lol.
I thought Sandroba's day 2 posting was better if anything. At least less trolly. Which mayor candidate was going to lynch Ciryandor? I thought Protactinium settled on Macpo. The Palmar lynch influence is a red mark but there was a plausible narrative based on Sandro's posts in the thread and the mason log.
Still not sure about Sandroba personally. I found a couple of his other town games: His LotR (town) filter looks much like his scum play, which this game does too, but his Mini Mafia X (town) posting was vastly superior. Actual care and effort put into posting. If he doesn't raise his game here I'll consider voting for him.
On January 19 2012 11:59 Protactinium wrote:
bumatlarge. His apathetic posting and general lack of enthusiasm is strikingly different from his usual active town play.
This meta-read is beyond me. Any other vets want to comment on Bum?
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@Slardar: Ok, that's a good start. Now post more reads. We're double-lynching today and you've got a lot of scumcred to counter.
That applies to all those other lurkers too. You know who you are.
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I don't like kingjames or p4NDemik as lynch candidates at the moment. I don't have an issue with kingjames's vote for L as he reposted Kitaman's very good case against L. p4NDemik just looks newish town to me, and his case against Supersoft is worth a look.
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On January 20 2012 09:49 Toadesstern wrote:
I defended palmar and everyone wanted him to die. I thought you are town and everyone else thinks you're mafia and now out of the sudden everyone thinks you're fine.
Because Jackal, in his own words, superderped for two days. Since (almost certainly) shooting L, he's played properly. Thinking he was town before he shot L is suspicious.
I am pushing sandroba instead of other people.
I could literally be the town moron. I want to see sandroba flip so badly for that purpose. I mean is there anyone having a problem with lynching sandroba at this time? Anyone?
Apparently Sandroba doesn't have a problem with this because he hasn't posted for two days.
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On January 20 2012 10:31 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 10:21 jaj22 wrote:On January 20 2012 09:49 Toadesstern wrote:
I defended palmar and everyone wanted him to die. I thought you are town and everyone else thinks you're mafia and now out of the sudden everyone thinks you're fine.
Because Jackal, in his own words, superderped for two days. Since (almost certainly) shooting L, he's played properly. Thinking he was town before he shot L is suspicious. I am pushing sandroba instead of other people.
I could literally be the town moron. I want to see sandroba flip so badly for that purpose. I mean is there anyone having a problem with lynching sandroba at this time? Anyone? Apparently Sandroba doesn't have a problem with this because he hasn't posted for two days. No it isn't. Many here recognize my play on day one as being next to useless.
Oh hmm. It was day one that Toad marked you as town, so that works. Maybe he's smarter than he looks.
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@Jitsu: So what do you think of BM? Any chance of some logs?
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On January 20 2012 11:08 Jitsu wrote:
If the majority of the thread wants me to post logs, I will post them. Not because simply one non-determined aligned player asked. Why are you so interested in them anyway? Are you looking for anything in particular?
I'm trying to get a handle on how his mind works so I can work out whether to lynch him. It's less useful if it's PM rather than IRC-style logs, but it's all information.
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Ugh, long day. On the plus side, I now have loads of people that I want to kill:
GGQ: Still alive. Still dodging modkills.
Kingjames01: Changed my mind on him. He's been trying to wind people up all day and his posting is generally anti-town. There are valid reasons for scum to make weak anti-L posts in the situation.
Sandroba: I wanted him to start posting at his Mini Mafia X level. He produced one drunken one-liner in three days. White flag stuff.
Bill Murray: Only reason not to kill him is that allegedly he always plays this badly. Great. Still, if Protact doesn't want to kill him today then I'll respect that because it's his ass on the potential bomb.
Also a bunch of lurkers and near-lurkers. If Chaosquo shows up while I'm still conscious then I may switch to him.
Voting Kingjames01 and Sandroba because lynching GGQ is information-free. Voting double lynch for obvious reasons.
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On January 21 2012 08:08 vaderseven wrote:
Ok I can buy this. I didn't know mad hatters could move thier bombs.
Shit, I completely missed that. Definitely don't kill Bill Murray tonight.
I repeat, DO NOT KILL BILL TONIGHT
If he is town, I'm pretty sure he's trying to be pro-town. Therefore he will remove his bomb from Protactinium tonight.
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