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Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
January 16 2012 23:16 GMT
#1876
supersoft, who would you most like to lynch today?
<3 If you chase a mirage, the desert will swallow you.
Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
January 16 2012 23:40 GMT
#1889
On January 17 2012 08:17 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Protact is suspected strongly mafia to me and should be to everyone else, plus annoying as heck, example: They've been asked repeatedly, by multiple people, to post which one of them are posting. It's not hard or difficult to comply with that, and seems reasonable I believe.


I'm going to echo this. I very much agree it would be helpful, though I'm not sure if it's that common with hydras.

On January 17 2012 08:19 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
@Lanaia + Opz

What are your thoughts on GGQ + Macpo?


I think GGQ is scum. Hence why I said I'd be willing to lynch him out of the three main candidates.
Macpo has good cases against him and terrible defenses. I'm not a huge fan of his "i'm a noob" thing (nor anyone else's for that matter).
I quoted a post
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 16 2012 02:19 Macpo wrote:
Now I feel my only chance is to be as transparent as possible. So here I am: my strategy was two sided.
1.I should be honest and rational (the simpler, the better), as the first thing you read in guides is that mafia was always trying to flood/spam/lack of argumentation. So I kind of spoke my mind, and especially shared my uncertainties (only liars want to appear to be certain). I tried to do some constructive stuff, at my skill level, like going through the filter and gather information on who is posting and who is not; instead of saying "=> YOU are guilty", without any kind of evidence as so many did, with the brilliant results we know. I am still not sure why I should give up this attitude, as I feel it's more constructive than lots of other stuff.
Some people say I didn't want to take responsibility, but that's precisely being responsible: not to attack without any kind of reason. Not to mention the fact that I was one of the first to vote, for Bill Murray (who so nicely now wants to kill me).
2. Also, I definitely tried to make friends so that we can back up each other in case we were under attack (like Mr Wiggles and Echelon toe); I take that from my experience of previous games where it is essential (for those knowing Junta). Maybe it's a bit clumsy, it obviously didn't work, but hey! can you even call a piece of argument against me?
But now, because of all this, I feel badly trapped!
So I beg you kindly: don't lynch me! If there is any other evidence or question I can answer to, in order to prove my innocence, just let me know.


but I have no idea why anymore. So I'm rereading and have new stuff I want to talk about.

He wants to show that he's uncertain. This isn't necessarily scum, but if he thinks only liars are certain, then the majority of people in the game would be scum, no?
He begs not to be lynched. You should NOT be begging.
He's possibly scum but I feel more strongly on the GGQ front.


Also thanks evantrees for the filter list.
Connection is really shitty right now and I'm not sure why. Refreshing has become a chore.
Also there seems to be a lot of hostility in this thread. More than feels normal.
<3 If you chase a mirage, the desert will swallow you.
Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
January 16 2012 23:41 GMT
#1892
Supersoft/BillMurray

Do you guys think a doublelynch is a good idea?
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Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
January 16 2012 23:55 GMT
#1902
On January 17 2012 08:48 Jayjay54 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 08:45 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Despite me going after Opz a bit here, today I still want us to lynch Macpo for all of the reasons before stated.


aren't you afraid that he actually IS a newbie town player? I mean stressing to be newb may be a newb mistake afterall.

Don't get me wrong, I'd lynch him, but IMO he might flip town.


See, that sort of fear is the reason I'd prefer a GGQ lynch.

Jay, I had some questions for you a while ago and I'm not sure you answered them. Looked in your filter, didn't see it.

On January 17 2012 05:54 Lanaia wrote:
@Jay, do you think both sandro and BC could theoretically be scum? Also how is the late posting of the logs bad? I think it makes sense, as we have more complete logs than if they'd posted them 24 hours previous to that (given they haven't altered them).

Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 02:20 Jayjay54 wrote:
b) How does BM know that he saved her? Does he get notified? And why would he want that if he thinks shes scum? And why on earth would the mafia use a pretty NK to kill a pretty neutral person who even was a lynch candidate to some? Please enlighten us BM.

=> Don’t know what to make out of it. But I don’t believe whatsoever that the mafia used a NK on her.

Unless he was notified, I am positive I wasn't killed.
Well, if scum had me pegged as an important blue, do you think they might risk a shot?

bold = editted.
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Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
January 17 2012 04:58 GMT
#2085
I've been meaning to post but school internet keeps going down.

On January 17 2012 13:53 Bill Murray wrote:
oh shit
rgshworz associative tell city
i'm voting macpo


Wanna do me a favour and explain to me what an associative tell is or at least give an example?
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Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
January 17 2012 06:28 GMT
#2118
I'm going to vote macpo because he does feel scummy. As well as everything everyone else has said.

I'm really not sure if I want to vote for a double lynch right now. The majority of my townreads have so, maybe I should consider it.

What are the benefits of this? We know it is very possible something ridiculous like what happened in the 80p game has the potential to happen at some point (but it would be stupid). We have a chance to either get rid of two scum if all goes well, or a scum and a lurker if all also goes well. Isn't it prone to manipulation more than a single lynch is?
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Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
January 17 2012 21:34 GMT
#2259
On January 18 2012 05:31 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Wait, I feel like I just put two and two together. Maybe I should listen more.
Here's a train of thought;

BM calls Lanaia is scum.
BM protects Lanaia to 'reduce mafia KP', even though it didn't, nor could it have.

So what did it achieve?
It saved her from kp.

There were plenty of options, why Lanaia specifically?
Why does BM want to protect someone he has a scum read on?
I see scum buddies or blue hunting as possible reasons.


Didn't save me from shit all.

BM doesn't make sense to me whatsoever.

He very well could be scum.

Decided I'll cave and vote for the DL.

I'd prefer to lynch one of the two people I mentioned when WBG asked a while back, but no one else seems to even be talking about them and consolidation is important. I just don't know if I want to lynch BM today.

Now, WBG's kill-list.

On January 18 2012 05:24 wherebugsgo wrote:
Must kill:

Bill Murray
Lanaia
Toadesstern
Meapak
Scamp
Bumatlarge

Should probably kill:

Jackal
Sandro
L
Protactinium


I agree with scamp, jackal, L, and BM.
Of those, I'd be willing to lynch only BM today for being contradictory.
I'm unsure about toad, sandro, and protact.

People I wish to hear more from (given they aren't modkilled):
Maxella
igabod
slardar
kenpachi
munk-e
macpo
evantrees
zeks
blahz0r
glurio
brownbear
And I think that's all I want to hear more from.


My vote will remain where it is until I am back from class. It may even remain after then.
I'm gone now to study between now and when class starts.
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Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
January 18 2012 01:36 GMT
#2308
My gut is saying "lynch BM for not making any goddamn sense in his actions."
My brain says to lynch someone who feels scummier (aka macpo).
dammit, what do I do...
I have 1 hour 45 minutes to decide. I'm sure you guys don't think it's worth it to lynch macpo.

However, if BM is lynched today, we lose something potentially lifesaving (however it appears to be in the wrong hands).
On the other hand, it might be better to just get rid of him and spare us the trouble. I'm sure you can imagine my surprise when I got the notification of having been incarcerated.

Okay...

On January 18 2012 10:24 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 10:09 jaj22 wrote:
@OpZ: Given that you think BM is easy to read, what do you reckon about his play so far?


For Foolishness maybe. I can't read BM like that. I like him, and used to PM him regularly. I've always said I'd cohost a game with him. He's prone to bouts of tyranny when he has power or a power role (see -TL maf 30, where he was Ninja [i don't know if its in thread, but it might be in the post game discussion, he threatened our town circle repeatedly because he wanted us to give up the other Ninja, whom was BC], and games he has hosted), so it makes his use of his sheriff power on Lanaia somewhat understandable. If Bill Murray has a power he will use it. As for his direction, and all that jazz? His posts are what he's thinking at any given time, and he distrusts atleast one of us masons. Other than that I haven't seen anything blatant from him.


If you are telling the truth, then this post gave me my decision. I'm not voting BM today. I think. Hell, we can afford to give him another day, no? I've never played with him outside of IRC before so I'll take your word for it.
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Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
January 18 2012 06:28 GMT
#2355
Not a surprise. Also not a huge fan of L's last post.
Not sure who I'd want to lynch today, but we'll see who's left tomorrow.
<3 If you chase a mirage, the desert will swallow you.
Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
January 18 2012 19:13 GMT
#2409
On January 19 2012 03:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
Whatever, everyone seems to be discounting the idea that Protact is scum - why is that? Huh? He certainly makes more sense as the scum candidate than BM does, as far as I'm concerned.

May I ask why you think it makes more sense?


On January 19 2012 03:48 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Well, I'd recommend we choose several candidates keeping it to 7-8 (double 3-4 because of the double lynch) and lynch two from there.

+ Show Spoiler +

On January 17 2012 13:28 Foolishness wrote:
READ CAREFULLY! DON'T LOSE THIS POST! REPOST MANY TIMES

I am making this post as a way of compiling the thoughts of the few people in this game who are making sense and posting good analysis. A lot of it will be my own thoughts, but it's heavily based on a few people (should be obvious) who are the most transparent and the most obvious townies.

9 Mafia remaining. Here's the preliminary suspects: Macpo, GGQ, L. These are the people I feel we have the best case for and most of the transparent people in the thread seem to agree about these 3. Personally I think GGQ is town and we should avoid lynching him for now. Protact already gave viable reasons why Macpo is better than GGQ today, and I feel there is little to argue there. sandroba pointed out how L is acting like in Ver's game, and I couldn't agree more. We also have Incog's analysis against L.

Secondary suspects: Bill Murray, chaosquo, evantrees. These 3 people have garnered attention from a few people but not from everyone, so they are listed as secondary candidates. I am of the belief that all 3 of these people are mafia. evantrees is already mentioned by Incog. I think Cyber_Cheese highlighted a good summary of chaosquo here. Most of it is similar arguments to Macpo.

Bill Murray as red? I think so. Others have cast suspicion but there's not been a full analysis anywhere. A few people have commented that the election "feels" weird in some way, and I definitely sympathize. The votes for Bill Murray come across as the most suspicious: lots of random votes there. Personally I was surprised he even got into office (remember I was out all day so I saw the results without reading the previous 20 pages). I do realize I may have initially pushed him into candidacy, but I shall take responsibility for that and see to it that he's lynched in the near future. But to be simple: Bill Murray posted a lot, and got into office. Since then he's been pretty passive at the helm (so has BC I realize). That's good enough reason to warrant a ton of suspicion, as he should be actively scumhunting and posting without fear at this point.

Remaining mafia candidates: Jackal, Opz, kingjames, zeks. Incog has an analysis against Jackal as we know. I am not on board with him being mafia yet. Traditionally when he is mafia he posts paragraphs, and not one-liners. However he warrants suspicion for having an apathetic attitude.

Opz is someone who I believe Sheth was the first to cast doubt on, and I must say Sheth is definitely onto something. I know of the past Opz as a town player who is aggressive, not afraid to call people out on their bullshit. That's something we aren't seeing much of this game. He's posted a few of his own thoughts, but there is a clear lack of effort. Bored townie who is facepalming at having to read 100 pages? Possibly. Mafia hiding in the shadows? Fits better.

kingjames is called out on by Incog, and there's further analysis by BC. His last sentence is the perfect sum to kingjames: "The key thing to note is that in contrast to his town play where he is outgoing and analytical, his posts in this game are very subdued, seem artificial and feel overly planned." kingjames has yet to do anything to contradict this.

zeks I felt strongly about yesterday, he made a bad post which is nothing like his normal outspoken attitude (though it's been a while since he's played I think). He has since asked for a replacement and hasn't posted, but should still be looked at in the future.

Meapak_Ziphh is someone I would like to throw out there as a candidate (which shouldn't be a surprise from the few of my recent posts). What has Meapak done this game? Tried to get GGQ lynched, and unfortunately that's about all he's tried to do. There is a very aggressive push from him to kill this guy, which I find a little suspicious and slightly out of character.


Mafia: Macpo, GGQ, L, Bill Murray, chaosquo, evantrees, Opz, Kingjames, Meapak_Ziphh.

Substitute a few off candidates and I think we've found our 9: Jackal, BrownBear, zeks, Munk-E, other random inactive player goes here.

DONT LOSE THIS POST ITS SO IMPORTANT!

Writing all that I think the usefulness of this post is immediately made clear. The most prominent townies and the ones doing the analysis are all right on most of their reads. It's just each person has found 2-3 mafia on their own, and most of the time they are all different. Pooling this information together I realize it's hard to call anyone and their analysis wrong, as when you analyze the big picture everything fits together.

Anyone in their right mind would look at this game and think "wow this atmosphere is perfect for the mafia". Ver once told me that lots of times it's easier to find the mafia when the town atmosphere sucks because they will not be the ones causing chaos and disruption. Instead they will be sitting on the sidelines enjoying the show while the townies flail around. Look at all the names I've listed above. Everyone (yes everyone on that list) is guilty of apathy and does not have the interests of the town in mind. They are not thinking long term, or analyzing the big picture. They aren't playing the game, they are watching.

Macpo

Many others have said so, and though I may be biased, I still think it's best we lynch him today. I believe his case is still by far the strongest we have at the moment, especially since he has responded to his threats (with even more reason to kill him). At the time of writing GGQ has yet to say anything. We kill him (Macpo) today and spend the night figuring out who has the next best case. In the meantime, I'm going to be looking for connections between the above players to see if anyone can be ruled out or automatically included.

IF YOU HAVE FINISHED READING AND YOU ARE A COMPETENT TOWN PLAYER PLEASE READ AGAIN

Also, after sifting through this information, I feel we have a strong enough lead to start killing like there's no tomorrow.
##Vote: double lynch



I'd be happy including Toad and Schworz into this list and choosing two from it to lynch. Again the importance of what I'm saying here is lets keep it to these 8-9 and find a good reason for who we lynch.

GGQ, L, Bill Murray, chaosquo, evantrees, Opz, Kingjames, Meapak_Ziphh, Toad, Schworz (This is already 10, but I'd like to lynch from this pile of candidates if possible) I feel like adding 1-2 to the list is fine, but I'd like to see it stay small so we can get the best reads from these people and choose correctly on who to lynch.



I like your lynch choices, but I'd definitely not lynch meapak today.
However, I'd like to see what my townreads have to say.
I'll be around a lot today because SNOWDAY. So if anyone wants to ask me things, go ahead.

Adam, I'm really sorry to hear about that. <3
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Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
January 19 2012 04:31 GMT
#2594
On January 19 2012 13:16 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2012 13:12 p4NDemik wrote:
Holy shit guys stop spamming. We have people with actual accusations to consider here. Namely me.

I'm more concerned about the possibility of a scum triumvirate trying to gain control of town than what Supersoft may or may not be.
BC, Proactinium, Flamewheel. Mutually supporting scumteam. That possibility scares me. They trust each other way to much.

Hrm... Not really sure how I feel about this. How sure are you of this?
How do you feel about BM, then, Jackal?

Also I like BM lynch. Not sure KJ is the best second.
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Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
January 19 2012 15:15 GMT
#2646
On January 19 2012 19:33 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2012 14:11 Bill Murray wrote:
I didn't get to send in anything last night, and I'm like 80 pages behind on reading
I don't mind being lynched
I've failed you all as a Sheriff

On a night where jailing scum would have reduced mafia KP, he didn't incarcerate. Is anyone surprised?


He could have at least pretended...

Now that I recall, L had been roleblocked n1, or claimed it.
Which indicates a lie OR another jat we haven't been informed of.

Wait, BM claimed hatter? WTF.
I think I have to reread him now.
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Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
January 19 2012 15:17 GMT
#2647
Okay, I see it now, I straight up missed that part of his post.

Okay, he can definitely have another night based solely on that. We do have others to lynch.
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Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
January 19 2012 15:56 GMT
#2652
On January 20 2012 00:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 00:24 jaj22 wrote:
@Lanaia: You want Bill to blow up two of Foolishness/Protact/BC?


Is that what she posted? That's not what it looks like she posted.

Lanaia, BM claims to have one bomb left, and that one is placed. Who would you put his one remaining bomb on if you had control of it? Your thoughts on this matter are important, as you've been pretty waffley with your reads so far. Keep in mind that this isn't a democracy - I'm not asking who you would push for a lynch. I'm asking who you would make explode because by your estimation they're definitely scum.


Slardar. Without a doubt, slardar would be bombed if it were up to me.
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Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
January 19 2012 20:15 GMT
#2695
On January 20 2012 05:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
at this point it's pretty damning of kingjames to be so fervently pushing a random lynch we've never heard of.

Granted, this is exactly what he did in XLVIII, just always pushing random people who never had a chance of being lynched. Knowing this, though, it becomes hard to determine whether he is actually scum or just playing like he normally does

At this point I don't care because I don't think kingjames is the best kill for today. I'd much rather we kill BM and Toad.


Do you think BM is lying about hatterism?


Toad's bothering me a bit. He keeps asserting himself as town because he's pegged people correctly. It's gotten to the point of overemphasis.
Tell me, guys, is this typical of town?
To me, it feels overeager. How I usually hunt scum is by looking for people who are overeager.
Toad is one of these people.
Gut is yelling at me to lynch him.
But gut alone probably will get me into trouble (as it has repeatedly before).

I'm voting Slardar.
I'm also going to vote GGQ because this has been a long time coming and I feel it is in our best interests to do so.
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Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
January 20 2012 02:27 GMT
#2789
On January 20 2012 10:56 Jitsu wrote:
One thing that bugs me. It seems like you are purposefully trying to take as much credit as possible to buy town-cred by saying all you're reads we're accurate.

I like you. And I like that that's exactly what I thought.


On January 20 2012 11:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
also, 8 confirmed people running around in pms is ridiculous -_-


Did you expect less? It was bound to happen as it was initially going to be a PM game.


Given BM's target claim, are you still wanting to lynch him, everyone? It's not like he's 100% confirmed scum.


On January 20 2012 10:48 Bill Murray wrote:
I've got to vote kingjames, even if I have a townslip from him;
I KNOW I'm a mad hatter, he could be a townie
sandroba needs rope really badly
My one bomb is on Protactinium, so when I'm lynched, I guess he's coming with me
My Night 1 was jailing Lanaia, and then I was going to fake that I "derped" on the next 2 nights
Why else would I jailkeep N1? It was a bad idea in retrospect, but I thought I would either die N1 if BC was mafia, or I would have until BrownBear and Kitaman were alive.

Cwave masoned me yesterday
Jitsu masoned me yesterday
one of BC or OpZ are probably mafia
GG guys I'm dead in an hour if you all don't unvote and there goes the sheriff


Why him? Why not on sandro?

Did Cwave even talk to you?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=232648
If he did, that's actually going to really piss me off as he's said next to nothing in thread.
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Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
January 21 2012 00:34 GMT
#3100
I'll consider switching my vote on slardar for the day, but the vote on GGQ stays.

However, I'm not sure who to switch to. I'm not touching the BM wagon. I'm not touching sandro.
Quickly rereading KJ to see how I feel about lynching him.


On January 21 2012 09:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Ok we're not going to lynch BM. The risk of him being hatter is way to high. Protact is probably the most valuable asset town has at the moment, there's no point putting that in jeoprody. Here's what's going to happen. BM moves him bomb tonight to Bum or BrownBear. we vote DL tomorrow and tomorrow night BM puts his other bomb on whichever person he hadn't previously. Then we lynch BM. This utilizes BM's role properly, and it also gives a set date for BM to die so he won't just get away from this if he's scum.

People seriously need to get off BM now.


I agree with this; however bum may not be the best choice.
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Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
January 21 2012 00:42 GMT
#3107
On January 21 2012 09:34 supersoft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2012 09:08 hiro protagonist wrote:
On January 21 2012 09:05 supersoft wrote:
who replaced erandorr btw? (or am I completely wrong right now?)

I did


Funny that erandorr refuses to play games when he rolls scum... :-(


He stayed in the 80p game, didn't he? Thought I bussed him that game.

I've made up my mind and am changing to kj. He feels scummy in a way that intimidates me.

Sorry I haven't said much today. Friday is my busy day.
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Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
January 21 2012 03:37 GMT
#3252
Okay, sorry I was away. Had I been here when whoever the dt claimed sandro was scum, I would have changed off KJ.

There are still a bunch of people I want dead.

I ALSO WANT THE LURKERS TO TALK MORE.
(By lurkers I mean people who talk even less than I do.)
10% of our game has been modkilled and they've all been town. We don't need any more.

I'll be rereading the thread in the morning. I need to revise my reads.

<3 If you chase a mirage, the desert will swallow you.
Lanaia
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Canada1142 Posts
January 21 2012 03:56 GMT
#3259
On January 21 2012 12:50 Bill Murray wrote:
I'm not taking a bomb off
I'm either putting another bomb out, or jailing to try to protect someone like a medic like if someone like Foolishness was just a townie, I could jailkeep them for 2 nights to guarantee they get to late game. That is more valuable. I am 50% protactinium is scum based on the election - it's either him or BC. I'm not moving that bomb, unless we're lynching BC.


However, you can only jailkeep the same person one night in a row, no?
<3 If you chase a mirage, the desert will swallow you.
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