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On January 24 2012 07:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:well toad allow me to speculate as well. If BC is mafia then he had to spend literally hours faking a chat log with sandroba. HOURS. do you get how long they talked? And how casually as well? That's not something that can just get faked like that. Maybe I'm getting played like a boss, however I cannot mentally accept that BC and sandroba faked that entire convo when both were scum. Now let's talk opz. He's a vet, he's been around for several years iirc. If you think that a mason has to be a vet then opz fits your bill just about as well as BC. This is completely ignoring play as well. I would argue that BC has been more or less helpful to the town, meanwhile opz has been fairly bad. Also since we're speculating, no one who's gone after BC hardcore has ended up dead. Meanwhile the person who went after opz the hardest ended up dead. Just consider that while we're speculating toad 
That goes out to both, you and BC:
Yes I considered opz as well, that's why I said "probably BC + opz or only BC" early on.
It's not even meant to be a case to lynch someone but rather a defence. I thought glurio might be scummy but given what I just said I'm not going to lynch him, same with jitsu and cwave because I don't think mafia would chose them to be masons at all.
It's a fos and something to discuss about. Yeah I see the problems you mention BC and those are the reason I haven't said that I want to lynch you.
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ahm. it's my fault. most of this post comes from my brain.
i was a little paranoid and saw a possibility that you faked the logs to bus sandro.
the masonclaimplan fits to this story, because only this plan allows you to claim and publish the logs without drawimg too much sudpicion.
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On January 24 2012 07:23 Cwave wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 07:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 24 2012 07:10 Toadesstern wrote:
ok glurio right, forgot about him, that makes:
BC
Supersoft
opz
jitsu
glurio
I'd say out of those two BC & opz sounds reasonable or only BC. This is speculation but let me explain my train of thoughts:
What we lynched so far: Godfather + Goon + Goon + Goon
So 6 people are left and we only found 1 powerrole, their beloved godfather. Let's just assume mafia HAS at least 1 mason. Do you think they would give mason powers to people like jitsu? I mean mason? They could give him another power role, no problem because those new people get away with lurking way more than people like BC. Therefore he's more safe and they can talk about how he would use it. Let me get this clear: I am NOT sayin jitsu is mafia, it's a thought experiment (wtf, dict.cc says it's "Gedankenexperiment" in english as well? That's german :p ).
Especially mason is hard to do for new players so BC makes perfect sense. Also Godfather on L makes perfect sense if BC is mayor because they don't need to godfather BC if he gets mayor. He's immune to DT's.
Given what I just said and yes it is speculation it sounds perfectly reasonable that BC might as well be a Mason and those other 3 power roles might or might now be hidden within lurkers. However again, I doubt mafia would give people like glurio or jitsu mason. I could see opz or Supersoft as reasonable but other than that?
Of course that implies that there's no other masons around who did not claim until now but since noone said a thing I'd say there's noone left. If there is another mason or you've been masoned by someone you're a moron and need to tell us.
I really don't see how mafia gave mason powers to someone like I already mentioned. Why did L flip without mason? Why did Sandroba flip without mason? Because there's another good player in here who's got mason powers, and that player is BC. Do you think I faked logs day 1? Do you think if I was a mason rather than masoning a town member I would "mason a mafia"?Do you think that I would ever expose myself in pm's when I could easily fake them for my team members with little to no heat on myself? Opz and glurio are the clearly best choices for the mafia masons. If you truly believe I am red analyze me please. Talking about "what makes sense" when you completely ignore the continued use of my role thus far this game is hilarious. If I was mafia, do you really think I would wait 2 days of letting protract rape my team before killing him? You can say all those points are wifom, however you are basing an entire argument on guess work and not real analysis. It is all speculation that at no point in time can be proven. Make a real case, don't pretend to make real cases. Hello mafia jack!!! If you "were" a mason"? You ARE a mason or so you claimed............! ##VOTE: BloodyC0bbler
really? I'm already a proven fucking mason dickweed. -_- I've masoned protract, roba, foolishness and meapak. thats 4 uses. So you could argue I am red and that 3 of those people are red as well as a jack cannot use the same ability twice. So what is it?
Meapak myself and foolishness all red to support your theory.
Also, your trying to make a case of me using the past context of a word. I was a mason then, I am a mason now, I will continue being a mason in the future.
Why the hell are you guys making cases off of grammar when you're not doing event doing it properly?
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On January 24 2012 07:23 Cwave wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 07:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 24 2012 07:10 Toadesstern wrote:
ok glurio right, forgot about him, that makes:
BC
Supersoft
opz
jitsu
glurio
I'd say out of those two BC & opz sounds reasonable or only BC. This is speculation but let me explain my train of thoughts:
What we lynched so far: Godfather + Goon + Goon + Goon
So 6 people are left and we only found 1 powerrole, their beloved godfather. Let's just assume mafia HAS at least 1 mason. Do you think they would give mason powers to people like jitsu? I mean mason? They could give him another power role, no problem because those new people get away with lurking way more than people like BC. Therefore he's more safe and they can talk about how he would use it. Let me get this clear: I am NOT sayin jitsu is mafia, it's a thought experiment (wtf, dict.cc says it's "Gedankenexperiment" in english as well? That's german :p ).
Especially mason is hard to do for new players so BC makes perfect sense. Also Godfather on L makes perfect sense if BC is mayor because they don't need to godfather BC if he gets mayor. He's immune to DT's.
Given what I just said and yes it is speculation it sounds perfectly reasonable that BC might as well be a Mason and those other 3 power roles might or might now be hidden within lurkers. However again, I doubt mafia would give people like glurio or jitsu mason. I could see opz or Supersoft as reasonable but other than that?
Of course that implies that there's no other masons around who did not claim until now but since noone said a thing I'd say there's noone left. If there is another mason or you've been masoned by someone you're a moron and need to tell us.
I really don't see how mafia gave mason powers to someone like I already mentioned. Why did L flip without mason? Why did Sandroba flip without mason? Because there's another good player in here who's got mason powers, and that player is BC. Do you think I faked logs day 1? Do you think if I was a mason rather than masoning a town member I would "mason a mafia"?Do you think that I would ever expose myself in pm's when I could easily fake them for my team members with little to no heat on myself? Opz and glurio are the clearly best choices for the mafia masons. If you truly believe I am red analyze me please. Talking about "what makes sense" when you completely ignore the continued use of my role thus far this game is hilarious. If I was mafia, do you really think I would wait 2 days of letting protract rape my team before killing him? You can say all those points are wifom, however you are basing an entire argument on guess work and not real analysis. It is all speculation that at no point in time can be proven. Make a real case, don't pretend to make real cases. Hello mafia jack!!! If you "were" a mason"? You ARE a mason or so you claimed............! ##VOTE: BloodyC0bbler
calm down, look at the context, it's supposed to say "mafia mason"
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On January 24 2012 07:10 Toadesstern wrote:
ok glurio right, forgot about him, that makes:
BC
Supersoft
opz
jitsu
glurio
I'd say out of those two BC & opz sounds reasonable or only BC. This is speculation but let me explain my train of thoughts:
What we lynched so far: Godfather + Goon + Goon + Goon
So 6 people are left and we only found 1 powerrole, their beloved godfather. Let's just assume mafia HAS at least 1 mason. Do you think they would give mason powers to people like jitsu? I mean mason? They could give him another power role, no problem because those new people get away with lurking way more than people like BC. Therefore he's more safe and they can talk about how he would use it. Let me get this clear: I am NOT sayin jitsu is mafia, it's a thought experiment (wtf, dict.cc says it's "Gedankenexperiment" in english as well? That's german :p ).
Especially mason is hard to do for new players so BC makes perfect sense. Also Godfather on L makes perfect sense if BC is mayor because they don't need to godfather BC if he gets mayor. He's immune to DT's.
Given what I just said and yes it is speculation it sounds perfectly reasonable that BC might as well be a Mason and those other 3 power roles might or might now be hidden within lurkers. However again, I doubt mafia would give people like glurio or jitsu mason. I could see opz or Supersoft as reasonable but other than that?
Of course that implies that there's no other masons around who did not claim until now but since noone said a thing I'd say there's noone left. If there is another mason or you've been masoned by someone you're a moron and need to tell us.
I really don't see how mafia gave mason powers to someone like I already mentioned. Why did L flip without mason? Why did Sandroba flip without mason? Because there's another good player in here who's got mason powers, and that player is BC.
That is exactly the road I was going to go down, since L is the "best scum", have to get inside his mind and put it hypothetically down on paper. More or less agree with this 100%, I was in compliance with anti-OpZ since Sheth posted his ideas, but he got killed the following day so I layed off and he posted a good defense. I think I've been pretty vocal about the BC thing since the beginning of this day.
Again with BC vs BM , if everyone is convinced to wipe both off the face of the planet, it will be much easier to take out BC first, since if he's scum, and BM isn't scum and dies today, they will have nearly 50% of the votes (21 vs 9) which will make it a lot more difficult to lynch him. BM on the other hand, everyone wants him to die so I don't see how that would be an issue the following day.
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Hey slardar, you ran for eleciton day 1, As such you should be fine with being slightly in a spotlight for a moment. What are your scumreads at this point in the game?
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well it's something like this:
if BM flips green I'd like to lynch BC+opz tomorrow.
If BM flips red I'd like to lynch ops + someone else
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I still believe that no sane man would fake a log like that.
Keep also in mind that the second log (with Opz) looked completely different (I know WIFOM).
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and about solid reasons about BC:
Well what about the fact that you lynched 2 townies so far? What happens if BM flips green? A green hattrick? We probably not going to get someone else lynched but if that happens you're going to hang.
What about the fact that you've done nearly nothing for town so far? Sure you're mason and have important stuff to do in pm-land but that's also a nice excuse isn't it?
What about the fact that you said early on that we won't lynch someone today but BC (if I recall correctly here) and for the rest of the day you've been standing next to us, doing nothing but watching the thread? Sure that's what a townie does.
What about all your talk with foolish and protact? Am I the only one who thinks that you're desperatly trying to get towncred?
Like you really HAVE TO point out that you're so protown?
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On January 24 2012 07:43 Toadesstern wrote:
and about solid reasons about BC:
Well what about the fact that you lynched 2 townies so far? What happens if BM flips green? A green hattrick? We probably not going to get someone else lynched but if that happens you're going to hang.
What about the fact that you've done nearly nothing for town so far? Sure you're mason and have important stuff to do in pm-land but that's also a nice excuse isn't it?
What about the fact that you said early on that we won't lynch someone today but BM (if I recall correctly here) and for the rest of the day you've been standing next to us, doing nothing but watching the thread? Sure that's what a townie does.
What about all your talk with foolish and protact? Am I the only one who thinks that you're desperatly trying to get towncred?
Like you really HAVE TO point out that you're so protown?
EBWOP
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United States13896 Posts
certainly some interesting developments while I've been gone. I'm currently on p. 189 will catch up after dinner and give my thoughts.
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On January 24 2012 07:43 Toadesstern wrote:
and about solid reasons about BC:
Well what about the fact that you lynched 2 townies so far? What happens if BM flips green? A green hattrick? We probably not going to get someone else lynched but if that happens you're going to hang.
What about the fact that you've done nearly nothing for town so far? Sure you're mason and have important stuff to do in pm-land but that's also a nice excuse isn't it?
What about the fact that you said early on that we won't lynch someone today but BC (if I recall correctly here) and for the rest of the day you've been standing next to us, doing nothing but watching the thread? Sure that's what a townie does.
What about all your talk with foolish and protact? Am I the only one who thinks that you're desperatly trying to get towncred?
Like you really HAVE TO point out that you're so protown?
I'm confused. Are you saying you want to kill him because he was wrong about lynches and is not playing well, or because you think he is scum?
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On January 24 2012 07:43 Toadesstern wrote:
and about solid reasons about BC:
Well what about the fact that you lynched 2 townies so far? What happens if BM flips green? A green hattrick? We probably not going to get someone else lynched but if that happens you're going to hang.
What about the fact that you've done nearly nothing for town so far? Sure you're mason and have important stuff to do in pm-land but that's also a nice excuse isn't it?
What about the fact that you said early on that we won't lynch someone today but BC (if I recall correctly here) and for the rest of the day you've been standing next to us, doing nothing but watching the thread? Sure that's what a townie does.
What about all your talk with foolish and protact? Am I the only one who thinks that you're desperatly trying to get towncred?
Like you really HAVE TO point out that you're so protown?
Find my horribad pro mafia moves please. Palmar was scummy as hell day 1. You can say "well he flipped town" no excuse for shitty behaviour.
KJ played exactly like a red. Did I push for his lynch the hardest? Yes, however he was also on at least two other scumlists.
Find my extremely anti town posts. If people want to analyze me, go ahead. Making a case based on "well in my world bc did x because of y so z must be true" is essentially horseshit.
Making bogus reasons on why someone is red is not a case its fear mongering. Also, on the offchance said case was somehow correct, it means you would actually be red along with said case subject as that would be the only way to get it correct while discounting all other scenarios.
Also if your going to point at someone for appearing "pro town" should we bring out your posts of pointing at how right all your reads have been?
Stop building terrible cases. Make real analysis.
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Everyone is spamming my Hiro lynch away. Woe is me.
VisceraEyes is sad-face panda.
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Hey! Balance guys! What do we think of 700 Masons and more than one DT? Huh? HUH? LYNCH HIRO!!! AAAAARRRGGGHHH!!!!
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On January 24 2012 07:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Hey slardar, you ran for eleciton day 1, As such you should be fine with being slightly in a spotlight for a moment. What are your scumreads at this point in the game?
To be honest this point I was riding along the waves, but I didn't like how the previous days Lynch's went so I'm trying to be more active.
Well I originally was suspicious of the "Big 3" , You, BM, Protract. I guess that still remains in my mind, and at the rate we're going probably heading down that road that'll bring about some more definitive responses. When I signed up, I thought we were going to get a storyline and some clues to go on like in the previous Mafia thread that I read, can't fault Flame and Jcarl if they don't have time.
I agree with those though, that your log with Sandroba would... be stupidly hard to fake. I hope you as a scum don't have that much mind-games and effort, if so then gg and wp LOL.
MSL (Rest in Peace) My Scum List
- You or OpZ or both
- BM? (Leaning to less scum now that he's actually saying stuff....don't know how that's helping though since he's lying half the time)
-If you (You + BM)are both Green, I want to say both Bodygaurds should be scummy, yet neither of you have been killed by the Mafia. So.. results on that will vary
-Glurio, Cwave
-More Lurkers. I have my suspicions on the few predominant posters but I really don't like accusing too much without substantial evidence cause that just derails.
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I'm getting the impression that a lot of people have missed BC's other logs. They're interesting stuff, particularly Foolishness/BC where they do a lot of scumhunting:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13231931
I don't think BC posted his log with Protactinium.
Interesting that OpZ was the only mason who used PMs rather than realtime chat with BC.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On January 24 2012 06:36 Jayjay54 wrote:
hey kita / opz. any chance you can post that log?
Page 171.
BrownBear, any reason you haven't said anything this game? You have 15 out of 4000 posts and that's counting the spam and /ins. The things you do decide to comment on are strange, considering all the more important topics. Are you just waiting until you have to argue out of a lynch or do you actually plan to start playing 250 hours into the game?
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Okay fuq it. BB has GOT to be mafia, which means that at least one of the elected officials are scum. I don't think it's BC, but he's fucked me over once so I'm not ruling it out. I'm just far more inclined to believe it's BM at the moment.
No one wants to lynch Hiro in spite of him being VERY OBVIOUSLY FAKE...so
##Unvote: hiro protagonist
##Vote: Bill Murray
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On January 24 2012 08:08 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 06:36 Jayjay54 wrote:
hey kita / opz. any chance you can post that log? Page 171. BrownBear, any reason you haven't said anything this game? You have 15 out of 4000 posts and that's counting the spam and /ins. The things you do decide to comment on are strange, considering all the more important topics. Are you just waiting until you have to argue out of a lynch or do you actually plan to start playing 250 hours into the game?
must have missed it. thanks bro.
at least he claimed BG 
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