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On January 13 2012 15:29 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 15:22 Ciryandor wrote:On January 13 2012 14:56 Protactinium wrote:On January 13 2012 14:26 Ciryandor wrote:
/confirm
LOL I won't vote for Kitaman after XLVIII's disaster. He was an absolute derp in that. Waiting for people to put in a serious campaign with a decent policy. This is why I'm waiting for Mr. Wiggles and Cyber_Cheese to provide us with good reasons; and right now, Wiggles has the best campaign of the lot.
I of course wonder if Sandroba or Palmar will try to get to the elections again. I'm running for mayor on the platform of lynching Ciryandor. There's no way you seriously think Mr. Wiggles has the best campaign. LOL that's a good reason to get you voted in. Lynching someone for having an opinion. Your posts have been very bad so far. Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 13:49 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Oh fail, didn't realise there was elections...
##Unvote
I'm going to run for mayor.
Lynch all lurkers/liars is standard pre-game chat, and it's mostly useless. Let's skip that.
It's all too situational, and we rarely follow through with it. This post is also bad.
scumcoaching
On January 15 2012 12:02 GGQ wrote:
havent caught up, I'm at page 57, but I skipped ahead. don't vote in Protractinium. Seriously, don't. Macpo is pretty clearly a newb town imo
into defending his scumbuddy
##Vote: GGQ
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On January 21 2012 07:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
For those uncertain about their second vote and uncomfortable voting sandroba I highly recomend GGQ.
Alright, I'll swap to BM/GGQ
I'll probably push Chaosquo again if he shows up again.
+ Show Spoiler [Chaosequo case re-hash] +On January 17 2012 02:15 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Is it just me, or is that some timing? Just as Sandroba decides GGQ as his vote Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 02:02 Chaosquo wrote:
ggq: posts quite aggressive and short, but wherebugsgo and palmar made similar posts. I leaned scum, but null read right now. BAM! SOFTDEFEND So I took a look at Chaosquo's FilterShow nested quote +On January 14 2012 01:27 Chaosquo wrote:On January 14 2012 01:18 Palmar wrote:On January 13 2012 14:56 Protactinium wrote:On January 13 2012 14:26 Ciryandor wrote:
/confirm
LOL I won't vote for Kitaman after XLVIII's disaster. He was an absolute derp in that. Waiting for people to put in a serious campaign with a decent policy. This is why I'm waiting for Mr. Wiggles and Cyber_Cheese to provide us with good reasons; and right now, Wiggles has the best campaign of the lot.
I of course wonder if Sandroba or Palmar will try to get to the elections again. I'm running for mayor on the platform of lynching Ciryandor. There's no way you seriously think Mr. Wiggles has the best campaign. Hey I agree with this guy, so I'm voting him. I am very much a fan of killing Ciryandor. What is it with Ciryandor? 1 Palmar, are you now trolling us? I agree with Toadesstern that a) you are mafia and dont care about the game or b) you have a special tactic, but randomly accusing him does not help .. 2Wiggles: Does your post mean you are stepping down as candidate? 3On that topic, could all people that are serious in their campaign make it clear? For me, right now there are: BC, BM(?), kitaman and risk.nuke. I think the number of candidates has to be limited to enable a clearer choice. Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 01:44 Chaosquo wrote:On January 14 2012 01:32 Palmar wrote:On January 14 2012 01:27 Chaosquo wrote:
a) you are mafia and dont care about the game Prove it. I was just commenting on your playstyle. I was just following the meta on you (town=vocal, scum=lurking), but seeing as you were quite active as "scum" in resistance, I retract my statement. But still posting one-liners is not helping much, no? 24 Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 01:46 Chaosquo wrote:
I have to ask: Is the kill Ciry thing a meta thing? Because I didnt see much scummy things from him.1 Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 08:38 Chaosquo wrote:
I still think BC is quite towny, as he put himself quite into the spotlight and his posts didnt raise suspicions. I just cannot imagine he would risk his quite good shot at an elected role by claiming mason if he was scum. Therefore, I think for the time I'm going to vote BC for mayor. I could be totally outplayed, but so be it. Or maybe I put too much value into an elected scum.
I am a new player5, so I can imagine that good scum team can manipulate a inexperienced player, but he will probably only influence the game with his single vote (if he's green), so I can see why masons staying hidden is advantageous for town.
Also, since I got ignored the first time, why is there so much hate towards Ciry?1 I dont think his posts are very scummy, but there are 3 people (sandroba, proactinium and sheth) pushing for his lynch. I also dont think this alone is a scumtell, but its still pretty irritatiting .. 1 - Protects Ciryandor multiple times. 2 - Casts doubt on both Palmar 3 - And Wiggles 4 - Apologetic 5 - Calls attention to his inexperience ##Vote Chaosquo
I'm convinced Chaosquo scum mostly for protecting Ciry multiple times and not doing much else D1.
Not sure if he's up for a modkill at this rate anyway...So...
He defended GGQ, and that's enough to be worth a GGQ vote for me, let alone the GGQ cases themselves.
##Unvote Chaosquo
##Vote GGQ
On January 21 2012 07:09 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 06:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 21 2012 06:50 p4NDemik wrote:
None so far proven but I feel I have one under the spotlight and I'm with you on BM.
Why are you and BC so self-unassured and relying on Proact? You guys are supposed to be super good veteran townies. Have more faith in yourself and have more faith in some of your fellow town. And most of all have faith in your read we all still think it is good. BM is BM. All reads on him although could possibly be accurate could be summed up with its BM. The risk of losing protract earlier because BM decided to troll us all is an actual possibility. We still have other leads which is why we opted to move to those. This isn't unreasonable to want to keep a strong analyzer alive longer. As for whoever said if he is a hatter and has a bomb on protract isn't that more a reason to lynch him? are you a friggen moron -_- I made that argument when he was first pushed as a lynch and was ignored. This is beginning to look more like one, if not more than one, of your triumvirate knows BM is most likely a hatter. If that is the case lynching him would be a most excellent thing to do. And don't start telling me how many scum you guys have outed. 2 were killed by Vigs. Plus outing your entire scum team is en vogue atm. Several of us in this game just did it with very successful results. I am leaving shortly and won't be back on until late tonight. I foresee a real clusterfuck occurring over the next several hours and am sorry I shall have to miss it.
I must have misinterpreted that when I though scumslip, no?
On January 21 2012 07:10 p4NDemik wrote:
His only actual ban has been a 2 day that plexa gave him because of a mafia incident but I don't have any context as to what it is. Mafia matters are mostly carried out through mafia and I don't know any of what Bill's transgressions are. This is so frustrating that his bad history is coming into play like this to try to discredit a perfectly good lynch. If he acts like this as town he shouldn't be allowed back into games this is idiotic. If he is town won't he just get another ban immediately? If he cared enough to come back into this game why does he have motive to be an idiot again?
I'm not seeing this BM is a troll town case and this is feels like a cop out.
Bans are for breaking the rules in the OP.
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so I come back after a few beers and a heavy defeat of bayern munich.
and all of a sudden everyone switched to sandro? without any new information? I don't really get it.
I also don't get all those KJ votes, not because I think he's town, but GGQ seems so much better right now. meapak, I got your back on this one.
this post made me mad:
On January 21 2012 04:31 Protactinium wrote:
OH I'm being bombed. Lol. Voting Sandroba. Even if BM is mafia we have plenty of other good targets.
Also please stop voting people who are not on my list. WBG is a non-sensical lynch.
supersoft is likewise.
the people still voting for GGQ are ...
ima look at the vote lists later when i get out of class.
"all right, GGQ is cool guys, I figured it out. Everyone who is still voting him is a retard." so condescending.
wtf? GGQ lurks hardcore and he is instantly connected to chaos who is lurking as well. We would get an additional lynch right now. this gives us plenty to lower scum KPs. How on earth is that a bad lynch, just because you find one post to defend him. And honestly, to me that post was a last resort meassure to at least take a vig hit instead of just being lynched.
How is that KJ case better in any way? What information do we get if he flips green?
I will switch to sandro from BM however. I don't believe his hatter claim, but I don't know his meta well and I'll have to rely on your judgement on this one.
=> As I posted one hundred times: I believe, exactly ONE of sandro or BC is scum. So either you're cleared BC and you have my 96% trust all game long from know on or I'll be on your ass!
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The problem I have with this meta thing defending BM is that no matter what it can be brought up.
I also just can't believe how much freedom he is being given after posting that he thought he was hours from death and that he has a bomb on exactly one player who happens to be the guy that is outing scum left and right.
Doesnt that just STINK?????????
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that jayjay is a smart man
I'm disliking VisceraEye's vote on me the most of all the votes on me right now. It feels like a cankerous sore. Here is why: He was the first person to cast doubt on me over how many masons the mafia have. I had no idea how many masons the mafia had to the point that I didn't even know what the fuck he was talking about.
"BM just scumslipped saying there are 2 mafia masons u guize" bullshit.
Now he limps onto my wagon with little reasoning? I thought he was already voting me.
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Also I've unvoted WBG in favor of Sandroba. I feel like not only is he a safer bet for scum, his lynch will be very telling for the power-trio's intentions. Sandroba called out L and Macpo, so them basing their lynch choice based on activity goes directly against the way they've been scumhunting so far when there are other, better candidates like WBG and GGQ.
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How about we not talk about BM's previous transgressions and focus on this game. My own view on BM is completely null. I cant make heads nor tails why he acts the way he does, and I have never played a game with him, so I have no meta to gauge off of.
With that said, I can argue both ways for him being town, and for being scum. I can see the arguments against him. I just feel much more confident on my read of sandroba. I think he has a WAY bigger chance of flipping scum, and the fact that all of the sudden the Big 3 agree with me does not change my read on Sandroba.
I think Foolishness saiys it best:
On January 21 2012 07:07 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 07:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On January 21 2012 06:51 p4NDemik wrote:
Seriously these three are beyond reason right now. This is super fucking fishy. Ok ok ok everyone hold your horses. We'd all like to hear a coherent case out of the triumvirate. However let's not let things get blown out of porportion. Yes, we'd all like them just to spell it out, yes we are frustrated at their collective inability to explain wtf is going on. However now is not the time for veiled attacks on their credibility. This is the kinda thing I called out opz (still scum btw) for. We can be frustrated but it's not necessary to start spreading doubt yet. If they can't get their shit together by the lynch and the lynch falls apart and one or two townies die then we can start calling for some heat. Until then let's give them an oppertunity to respond to our requests. I think we (and by we I once again mean the recently active people) have made it clear what we need to hear. Let's not go overboard and start heaving accusations till we've heard their responses. I think we're all blowing this out of proportion and thinking too hard about this. Why are we saying let's not kill BM? Well what if he is a hatter and telling the truth? We not only killed a townie but lost our best scumhunter as well. Do I think it's likely BM is telling the truth? No, but it's a possibility. Is town in a desperate situation where we need to take chances? No If BM is mafia, then mafia will not kill Incog cause they want to keep BM from getting lynched. That's okay cause Incog can stay around to find the rest of the mafia team. If the mafia do decide to kill Incog, then we can go straight ahead and kill BM, and I will not ask questions lol This isn't supposed to be complicated. We don't need to be taking chances at this point so why bother? Incog and BC have both been suspicious of sandroba, and sandroba has yet to contribute all game so we have decided to go with that. Do I think there are better lynches than sandroba? Yes. But that's okay because sandroba fits the theme. I'm not going to sit and argue for better targets, it's important that we are all on the same page. Incog and BC know who I think is mafia, and that will be the starting point for tomorrow's lynch.
Also, Toad, come on man! you have been with me the whole way on Sandroba, lets lynch the guy!
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On January 21 2012 07:35 vaderseven wrote:
The problem I have with this meta thing defending BM is that no matter what it can be brought up.
I also just can't believe how much freedom he is being given after posting that he thought he was hours from death and that he has a bomb on exactly one player who happens to be the guy that is outing scum left and right.
Doesnt that just STINK?????????
well he was number one on his lynch lynch lynch list right before he submitted the first night action.
so even if it's not a good read imo, it is in line of what he thought or wanted us to think he thought:
On January 15 2012 21:52 Bill Murray wrote:Town
supersoft
Cyber_Cheese
Toadesstern
Adam4167
Foolishness
Nisani201
EchelonTee
Jayjay54
L
Liquid`Sheth
kitaman27
BloodyC0bbler
Kurumi
p4NDemik
Meapak_Ziphh
wherebugsgo
Dont want to lynch:
VisceraEyes
Jitsu
Mr. Wiggles
~OpZ~
Ciryandor
Jackal58
hiro protagonist
GiygaS
BrownBear
Where have you been? Wouldn't mind lynching these lurkers:
igabod
zeks
evantrees
Chaosquo
Cwave
Slardar
rgTheSchworz
Scamp
glurio
rtgICEMAN
Maxella
blahz0r
GGQ
Lynch, Lynch, Lynch!:
Protactinium (Mystlord/Incognito)
sandroba
risk.nuke
Munk-E
scumatlarge
Lanaia
Macpo
Mafia
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i think sandro and BM are town... :-/
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My view on you is not null. Your case on Sandroba was what kept my fire fueled a few days ago.
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yeah, and who was #3 on my list? Risk.nuke.
The guy who started tunneling me for no reason after my list? Yep.
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On January 21 2012 07:43 Bill Murray wrote:
My view on you is not null. Your case on Sandroba was what kept my fire fueled a few days ago.
EBWOP: @ hiro.protaganist
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BM what are your thoughts on WBG? What about BC?
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On January 19 2012 14:33 Bill Murray wrote:
I agree with KingJames
The mafia are making moves on scumhunters. This is either BC, Foolishness, or Incognito's handywork. I am not going to sit by and watch this happen. I know 4 people who I believe to be town due to role related information. Take that as you will. I really don't need to be dying today.
I don't think mafia subbed BGs, or I'd be dead, and they wouldn't be wasting their time lynching me. I'm a jailkeeper to them at the least, and dangerous, as I am a protown power role even if I don't have another role.
However, I actually HAVE another role.
I am a Mad Hatter, but I only have one bomb out. You all need to allow me at least tonight so that I can get maximum utility out of my role. Thanks. I'll be on tomorrow.
On January 20 2012 10:48 Bill Murray wrote:
I've got to vote kingjames, even if I have a townslip from him;
I KNOW I'm a mad hatter, he could be a townie
sandroba needs rope really badly
My one bomb is on Protactinium, so when I'm lynched, I guess he's coming with me
My Night 1 was jailing Lanaia, and then I was going to fake that I "derped" on the next 2 nights
Why else would I jailkeep N1? It was a bad idea in retrospect, but I thought I would either die N1 if BC was mafia, or I would have until BrownBear and Kitaman were alive.
Cwave masoned me yesterday
Jitsu masoned me yesterday
one of BC or OpZ are probably mafia
GG guys I'm dead in an hour if you all don't unvote and there goes the sheriff
Questions to masons: Did BM ever claim or talk about mad hatter to you guys?
BM, you make it sound like you had to choose between abilities each night. Is that the case?
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On January 21 2012 07:44 Bill Murray wrote:
yeah, and who was #3 on my list? Risk.nuke.
The guy who started tunneling me for no reason after my list? Yep.
If you had a list then, is it maintained?
E.g, is there a 'latest version' so we can see where you're at?
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I'm uncomfortable at the amount of buddying up there is among certain players (Meapak, BC, Foolishness, Prot). I don't like hearing: "I'll support this lynch, even though it isn't my preference, because player X supports this lynch and he has been showing good results so far." Even if that player is pushing all the correct lynches, it doesn't give us information later on if everyone is blindly following a player without providing an explanation.
With the BM situation, when you're scum and you know you're getting lynched, the ideal move is to always role claim to buy time. BM is currently threatening the town, stating that if we kill him off, "he is going to take one of our strongest scum hunters with him". Under the assumption that scum will always role claim to avoid the lynch, I feel people should be unvoting him if they think he is town or hope to utilize the sheriff ability, not because of his threat.
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On January 21 2012 07:07 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 07:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On January 21 2012 06:51 p4NDemik wrote:
Seriously these three are beyond reason right now. This is super fucking fishy. Ok ok ok everyone hold your horses. We'd all like to hear a coherent case out of the triumvirate. However let's not let things get blown out of porportion. Yes, we'd all like them just to spell it out, yes we are frustrated at their collective inability to explain wtf is going on. However now is not the time for veiled attacks on their credibility. This is the kinda thing I called out opz (still scum btw) for. We can be frustrated but it's not necessary to start spreading doubt yet. If they can't get their shit together by the lynch and the lynch falls apart and one or two townies die then we can start calling for some heat. Until then let's give them an oppertunity to respond to our requests. I think we (and by we I once again mean the recently active people) have made it clear what we need to hear. Let's not go overboard and start heaving accusations till we've heard their responses. I think we're all blowing this out of proportion and thinking too hard about this. Why are we saying let's not kill BM? Well what if he is a hatter and telling the truth? We not only killed a townie but lost our best scumhunter as well. Do I think it's likely BM is telling the truth? No, but it's a possibility. Is town in a desperate situation where we need to take chances? No If BM is mafia, then mafia will not kill Incog cause they want to keep BM from getting lynched. That's okay cause Incog can stay around to find the rest of the mafia team. If the mafia do decide to kill Incog, then we can go straight ahead and kill BM, and I will not ask questions lol This isn't supposed to be complicated. We don't need to be taking chances at this point so why bother? Incog and BC have both been suspicious of sandroba, and sandroba has yet to contribute all game so we have decided to go with that. Do I think there are better lynches than sandroba? Yes. But that's okay because sandroba fits the theme. I'm not going to sit and argue for better targets, it's important that we are all on the same page. Incog and BC know who I think is mafia, and that will be the starting point for tomorrow's lynch.
What chances? If he was a mad hatter, why would he waste putting a bomb on someone who has and still is actively finding mafia. His bombs would be better used on these other mafia targets that you have all believed to be mafia.
To me he went from "oh I don't have much time and effort so whatevers" to "oh I'm gonna kill our scum hunter if you lynch me lols". WTF is this ?
I'm voting Bill Murray, this looks like bullshit to me.
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Also guys, I know you love guys who make lists <3. So I went and created a sorted version of the filters for you to bookmark. It annoyed me to look in that 50 player list and not finding the one I was looking for. enjoy.
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I replaced zeks so ur filter list lacks some there.
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On January 21 2012 07:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
BM what are your thoughts on WBG? What about BC?
WBG I am leaning town on. However, when I caught up on the thread, I saw something around him I didn't like. When he was
talking to supersoft, revolving around the GGQ/L shit, I feel like 2 of them are probably mafia. It was a fishy situation.
BC has been the most contributing person in the thread so far, and I don't want to lose that, if he's town. If Protactinium would have bussed Ciryandor d1, would we be where we're at?
On January 21 2012 07:50 vaderseven wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 14:33 Bill Murray wrote:
I agree with KingJames
The mafia are making moves on scumhunters. This is either BC, Foolishness, or Incognito's handywork. I am not going to sit by and watch this happen. I know 4 people who I believe to be town due to role related information. Take that as you will. I really don't need to be dying today.
I don't think mafia subbed BGs, or I'd be dead, and they wouldn't be wasting their time lynching me. I'm a jailkeeper to them at the least, and dangerous, as I am a protown power role even if I don't have another role.
However, I actually HAVE another role.
I am a Mad Hatter, but I only have one bomb out. You all need to allow me at least tonight so that I can get maximum utility out of my role. Thanks. I'll be on tomorrow. Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 10:48 Bill Murray wrote:
I've got to vote kingjames, even if I have a townslip from him;
I KNOW I'm a mad hatter, he could be a townie
sandroba needs rope really badly
My one bomb is on Protactinium, so when I'm lynched, I guess he's coming with me
My Night 1 was jailing Lanaia, and then I was going to fake that I "derped" on the next 2 nights
Why else would I jailkeep N1? It was a bad idea in retrospect, but I thought I would either die N1 if BC was mafia, or I would have until BrownBear and Kitaman were alive.
Cwave masoned me yesterday
Jitsu masoned me yesterday
one of BC or OpZ are probably mafia
GG guys I'm dead in an hour if you all don't unvote and there goes the sheriff Questions to masons: Did BM ever claim or talk about mad hatter to you guys? BM, you make it sound like you had to choose between abilities each night. Is that the case?
Why would I claim hatter when I didn't have 2 bombs out? You can say "oh, you already did that", but when I'm a serious mislynch, I have to claim my role. There is no way I would have claimed my role to those masons. The only reason I claimed the BGs was in case me/BC both died, or just me? I'm not really sure how it would work - because mafia substituted them
I assumed I had to choose. I had a red or blue read on Lanaia, hence why she was a scum read d1 and isn't now.
On January 21 2012 07:50 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 07:44 Bill Murray wrote:
yeah, and who was #3 on my list? Risk.nuke.
The guy who started tunneling me for no reason after my list? Yep. If you had a list then, is it maintained? E.g, is there a 'latest version' so we can see where you're at?
No, only in my head, but I can rectify that
On January 21 2012 07:56 blahz0r wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 07:07 Foolishness wrote:On January 21 2012 07:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On January 21 2012 06:51 p4NDemik wrote:
Seriously these three are beyond reason right now. This is super fucking fishy. Ok ok ok everyone hold your horses. We'd all like to hear a coherent case out of the triumvirate. However let's not let things get blown out of porportion. Yes, we'd all like them just to spell it out, yes we are frustrated at their collective inability to explain wtf is going on. However now is not the time for veiled attacks on their credibility. This is the kinda thing I called out opz (still scum btw) for. We can be frustrated but it's not necessary to start spreading doubt yet. If they can't get their shit together by the lynch and the lynch falls apart and one or two townies die then we can start calling for some heat. Until then let's give them an oppertunity to respond to our requests. I think we (and by we I once again mean the recently active people) have made it clear what we need to hear. Let's not go overboard and start heaving accusations till we've heard their responses. I think we're all blowing this out of proportion and thinking too hard about this. Why are we saying let's not kill BM? Well what if he is a hatter and telling the truth? We not only killed a townie but lost our best scumhunter as well. Do I think it's likely BM is telling the truth? No, but it's a possibility. Is town in a desperate situation where we need to take chances? No If BM is mafia, then mafia will not kill Incog cause they want to keep BM from getting lynched. That's okay cause Incog can stay around to find the rest of the mafia team. If the mafia do decide to kill Incog, then we can go straight ahead and kill BM, and I will not ask questions lol This isn't supposed to be complicated. We don't need to be taking chances at this point so why bother? Incog and BC have both been suspicious of sandroba, and sandroba has yet to contribute all game so we have decided to go with that. Do I think there are better lynches than sandroba? Yes. But that's okay because sandroba fits the theme. I'm not going to sit and argue for better targets, it's important that we are all on the same page. Incog and BC know who I think is mafia, and that will be the starting point for tomorrow's lynch. What chances? If he was a mad hatter, why would he waste putting a bomb on someone who has and still is actively finding mafia. His bombs would be better used on these other mafia targets that you have all believed to be mafia. To me he went from "oh I don't have much time and effort so whatevers" to "oh I'm gonna kill our scum hunter if you lynch me lols". WTF is this ? I'm voting Bill Murray, this looks like bullshit to me.
Go ahead. You're wrong, though. Either BC or Protactinium is mafia, 100%, book it, one is fooling the other.
Incognito is better at blending in than BC. Incognito is Protactinium, by the way. If you've noticed, reading my filter, I have grilled BC a few times. I didn't really get much out of it, but his actions up until now have seemed sooo protown. He has made huge walls, and has been a very good mayor. I want him to be town. I hope I'm not just being naive.
I also hope I'm not being naive in that you guys aren't going to lynch me after I put forth all the effort reading 40 pages of text walls last night, but if you do, I guess I should improve my town game. It wouldn't be the first game I've been mislynched as town on Teamliquid.
Speaking of that, a little WIFOM for you - I am always lynched as town, and not ever as mafia
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