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p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
January 20 2012 20:48 GMT
#2981
You guys have done very little talk in the thread about sandroba recently and if this is what you've suddenly come to why are you just dropping the case against BM like this? How is sandroba magically a better lynch now at this point in the game? How is kingjames a better lynch?

This triumvirate's actions are just puzzling and I simply can't fathom why you guys are acting this way as town. Surely you aren't all mafia but someone here is rotten. I dk this is driving me up a wall atm I need to get out of the house for a moment and do something else. I'll be back shortly in like 30 minutes to an hour.
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 20 2012 20:51 GMT
#2982
On January 21 2012 05:47 Jitsu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2012 05:00 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On January 21 2012 02:46 Jitsu wrote:
On January 20 2012 22:22 Jackal58 wrote:
On January 20 2012 22:21 Jitsu wrote:
The reasoning behind asking for the bodyguard's was a choice that I weighed for awhile. In the end, I decided to go along with it.

If on the off chance BM flips town I'd have no problem hanging you.


On January 20 2012 22:41 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On January 20 2012 22:21 Jitsu wrote:
The reasoning behind asking for the bodyguard's was a choice that I weighed for awhile. In the end, I decided to go along with it.

Wait, you specifically asked him to? If so, can you prove all logs between you two?



Use logic, bro's. Yes, I asked him. There was reasoning behind it. Saying you want to hang me before even hearing any part of the idea is pretty stupid, I feel.

On January 21 2012 02:13 glurio wrote:
I didn't mason anyone on day 1, was busy reading the thread.
Tried to mason with BC on day 2 he never answered.
+ Show Spoiler +
To: BloodyC0bbler [ Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Mason
Date: 1/17/12 19:31
Hey so what do you think is our best course of action right now?


So there really isn't anything i can post yet.


Did anyone else think "Mafia Mason" at this post?

So why did you not provide the reasoning yet exactly? If it was good reasoning, you would have shared it by now.


Ok.

Initially, BC and BM would be the only two people to know the identities of the Bodyguards. If the Mafia had replaced both Bodyguard's and killed BC and BM in the same night, the identities of the two Mafia Bodyguard's would remain a secret, and it would have died with our Mayor/Sheriff.

I asked to have the names of the Bodyguard's revealed to me so that, if that were the case, I would be able to identify the names of the two mafia bodyguards, essentially trading two-for-two. At the same token, it would be fairly obvious to deduce if I were mafia, since, more than likely, the Bodyguard's would be killed the following nights, and BM would be able to identify me, as well as have evidence to that fact. I would be pretty screwed.

I was hoping to keep this fact under wraps, so that I wouldn't be targeted for having extra knowledge, and would be able to bring it out as a simple back-up if the whole chain of events worked in order.

I think the benefit's out-weighed the negatives. Also, I thought it would be effective since I wouldn't be known to the general group to have this special knowledge, since this was done in means beyond the thread. Obviously, this isn't the case anymore.

Can we end the bullshit now?

Foolishness, you are here. I think BC agrees with me. What do you think of Glurio?


Asking bm to tell you the names of the bodyguards is fine and is good. In fact both a mafia and a town mason should do that imo. A mafia obviously wants to know the name and a town mason is a danger for mafia. The only question really is if the mayor should tell you the names. Nothing else is in question.
But telling town that YOU know the names is not a useful talent toi have.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 20 2012 20:53 GMT
#2983
On January 21 2012 05:48 p4NDemik wrote:
You guys have done very little talk in the thread about sandroba recently and if this is what you've suddenly come to why are you just dropping the case against BM like this? How is sandroba magically a better lynch now at this point in the game? How is kingjames a better lynch?

This triumvirate's actions are just puzzling and I simply can't fathom why you guys are acting this way as town. Surely you aren't all mafia but someone here is rotten. I dk this is driving me up a wall atm I need to get out of the house for a moment and do something else. I'll be back shortly in like 30 minutes to an hour.


as far as I get it bc and foolish are both "sheeping" protact because they trust him. Protact said he thinks sandroba is a good lynch as well yesterday.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Jitsu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States929 Posts
January 20 2012 20:59 GMT
#2984
@Toad

Quoted from C_C
So why did you not provide the reasoning yet exactly? If it was good reasoning, you would have shared it by now.


I'm pretty sure that that statement is putting my motives in question.

That is the [third?] time someone has questioned me regarding it. Obviously some people think I have ulterior agenda's for asking, and I want to clear it up now. That, or they are trying to throw suspicion at me.

Enough.
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Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
January 20 2012 21:04 GMT
#2985
On January 21 2012 05:46 hiro protagonist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2012 05:36 p4NDemik wrote:
This is so messed up you three have invested all day into BM and Kingjames. I've been like 95-99% sure on these lynches for hours upon hours and now you guys are randomly switching your vote to sandroba.

Whatever trust and goodwill you have been building up, it is quickly evaporating. You need to explain this.


I think what is happening behind the seanes is that there seemed to be vary little in opposition to lynching BM, where as Kingjames01 still does not have many votes. Also, if your scum suspects are voting for BM, then you might rethink who would be the best lynch. I would be suspicious too, in your shoes, but for me, BC,Protac, and Foolishness reads are similar to my own, so its easy for me to except this.

Sandroba is today's best lynch along with Kingjames01.

Cyber_Cheese and Jackal, sense your here, wanna help lynch Sandroba?

In a word, no.
I don't blame Foolishness/Protract/BC for being scared of BMs claim, their fear of losing Protract is why Sandro is suddenly popular.
I have the best feeling about BM at the moment. Short of that, Chaosquo seems best.

I'm not convinced by arguments on Sandroba, they were essentially made day 2, and he seemed townie enough to me on day 2.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
January 20 2012 21:06 GMT
#2986
On January 21 2012 05:47 Jitsu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2012 05:00 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On January 21 2012 02:46 Jitsu wrote:
On January 20 2012 22:22 Jackal58 wrote:
On January 20 2012 22:21 Jitsu wrote:
The reasoning behind asking for the bodyguard's was a choice that I weighed for awhile. In the end, I decided to go along with it.

If on the off chance BM flips town I'd have no problem hanging you.


On January 20 2012 22:41 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On January 20 2012 22:21 Jitsu wrote:
The reasoning behind asking for the bodyguard's was a choice that I weighed for awhile. In the end, I decided to go along with it.

Wait, you specifically asked him to? If so, can you prove all logs between you two?



Use logic, bro's. Yes, I asked him. There was reasoning behind it. Saying you want to hang me before even hearing any part of the idea is pretty stupid, I feel.

On January 21 2012 02:13 glurio wrote:
I didn't mason anyone on day 1, was busy reading the thread.
Tried to mason with BC on day 2 he never answered.
+ Show Spoiler +
To: BloodyC0bbler [ Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Mason
Date: 1/17/12 19:31
Hey so what do you think is our best course of action right now?


So there really isn't anything i can post yet.


Did anyone else think "Mafia Mason" at this post?

So why did you not provide the reasoning yet exactly? If it was good reasoning, you would have shared it by now.


Ok.

Initially, BC and BM would be the only two people to know the identities of the Bodyguards. If the Mafia had replaced both Bodyguard's and killed BC and BM in the same night, the identities of the two Mafia Bodyguard's would remain a secret, and it would have died with our Mayor/Sheriff.

I asked to have the names of the Bodyguard's revealed to me so that, if that were the case, I would be able to identify the names of the two mafia bodyguards, essentially trading two-for-two. At the same token, it would be fairly obvious to deduce if I were mafia, since, more than likely, the Bodyguard's would be killed the following nights, and BM would be able to identify me, as well as have evidence to that fact. I would be pretty screwed.

I was hoping to keep this fact under wraps, so that I wouldn't be targeted for having extra knowledge, and would be able to bring it out as a simple back-up if the whole chain of events worked in order.

I think the benefit's out-weighed the negatives. Also, I thought it would be effective since I wouldn't be known to the general group to have this special knowledge, since this was done in means beyond the thread. Obviously, this isn't the case anymore.

Can we end the bullshit now?

Foolishness, you are here. I think BC agrees with me. What do you think of Glurio?


No, we can't. I want the logs where you convinced BM that it was a good idea. Or the logs of how it went down failing the need to explain it. And while you're at it, any other logs.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
January 20 2012 21:08 GMT
#2987
On January 21 2012 06:06 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2012 05:47 Jitsu wrote:
On January 21 2012 05:00 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On January 21 2012 02:46 Jitsu wrote:
On January 20 2012 22:22 Jackal58 wrote:
On January 20 2012 22:21 Jitsu wrote:
The reasoning behind asking for the bodyguard's was a choice that I weighed for awhile. In the end, I decided to go along with it.

If on the off chance BM flips town I'd have no problem hanging you.


On January 20 2012 22:41 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On January 20 2012 22:21 Jitsu wrote:
The reasoning behind asking for the bodyguard's was a choice that I weighed for awhile. In the end, I decided to go along with it.

Wait, you specifically asked him to? If so, can you prove all logs between you two?



Use logic, bro's. Yes, I asked him. There was reasoning behind it. Saying you want to hang me before even hearing any part of the idea is pretty stupid, I feel.

On January 21 2012 02:13 glurio wrote:
I didn't mason anyone on day 1, was busy reading the thread.
Tried to mason with BC on day 2 he never answered.
+ Show Spoiler +
To: BloodyC0bbler [ Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Mason
Date: 1/17/12 19:31
Hey so what do you think is our best course of action right now?


So there really isn't anything i can post yet.


Did anyone else think "Mafia Mason" at this post?

So why did you not provide the reasoning yet exactly? If it was good reasoning, you would have shared it by now.


Ok.

Initially, BC and BM would be the only two people to know the identities of the Bodyguards. If the Mafia had replaced both Bodyguard's and killed BC and BM in the same night, the identities of the two Mafia Bodyguard's would remain a secret, and it would have died with our Mayor/Sheriff.

I asked to have the names of the Bodyguard's revealed to me so that, if that were the case, I would be able to identify the names of the two mafia bodyguards, essentially trading two-for-two. At the same token, it would be fairly obvious to deduce if I were mafia, since, more than likely, the Bodyguard's would be killed the following nights, and BM would be able to identify me, as well as have evidence to that fact. I would be pretty screwed.

I was hoping to keep this fact under wraps, so that I wouldn't be targeted for having extra knowledge, and would be able to bring it out as a simple back-up if the whole chain of events worked in order.

I think the benefit's out-weighed the negatives. Also, I thought it would be effective since I wouldn't be known to the general group to have this special knowledge, since this was done in means beyond the thread. Obviously, this isn't the case anymore.

Can we end the bullshit now?

Foolishness, you are here. I think BC agrees with me. What do you think of Glurio?


No, we can't. I want the logs where you convinced BM that it was a good idea. Or the logs of how it went down failing the need to explain it. And while you're at it, any other logs.

PS, if you are town, this won't take long to procure.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 20 2012 21:09 GMT
#2988
On January 21 2012 05:59 Jitsu wrote:
@Toad

Quoted from C_C
Show nested quote +
So why did you not provide the reasoning yet exactly? If it was good reasoning, you would have shared it by now.


I'm pretty sure that that statement is putting my motives in question.

That is the [third?] time someone has questioned me regarding it. Obviously some people think I have ulterior agenda's for asking, and I want to clear it up now. That, or they are trying to throw suspicion at me.

Enough.


yeah I know I was not fosing you. I actually don't recall how it came to the situation in the first place. I know you claimed mason but I don't know if BM asked you (specifically) to mason him to tell you the names or if someone else was like "so... BM told two masons the name of the BGs. Who are those 2 masons?" and therefore you went ahead and told everyone it's you.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
January 20 2012 21:31 GMT
#2989
On January 21 2012 05:46 hiro protagonist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2012 05:36 p4NDemik wrote:
This is so messed up you three have invested all day into BM and Kingjames. I've been like 95-99% sure on these lynches for hours upon hours and now you guys are randomly switching your vote to sandroba.

Whatever trust and goodwill you have been building up, it is quickly evaporating. You need to explain this.


I think what is happening behind the seanes is that there seemed to be vary little in opposition to lynching BM, where as Kingjames01 still does not have many votes. Also, if your scum suspects are voting for BM, then you might rethink who would be the best lynch. I would be suspicious too, in your shoes, but for me, BC,Protac, and Foolishness reads are similar to my own, so its easy for me to except this.

Sandroba is today's best lynch along with Kingjames01.

Cyber_Cheese and Jackal, sense your here, wanna help lynch Sandroba?

I have no problem voting for Sandroba. He was scum with me in XLVIII. I see what appears to be the same game from him here.
Life can only kill you once.
blahz0r
Profile Joined December 2010
3030 Posts
January 20 2012 21:32 GMT
#2990
On January 21 2012 05:43 Foolishness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2012 05:36 p4NDemik wrote:
This is so messed up you three have invested all day into BM and Kingjames. I've been like 95-99% sure on these lynches for hours upon hours and now you guys are randomly switching your vote to sandroba.

Whatever trust and goodwill you have been building up, it is quickly evaporating. You need to explain this.

Well I'm sorry that we don't want Incog to die when he has caught 3 mafia already. Do ya blame me?


If these guys were almost certain that Bill Murray was Mafia, how would Protactinium die to a bomb? That's not possible. This dramatic lynch change is disturbing... Still reading on from this quote/post.

I also understand that some of you think I am not town but I will say that my posts were based off my assessment of what I have read so far and I feel the way I've posted is probably not the best method to go about to try to get answers.
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
January 20 2012 21:33 GMT
#2991
On January 21 2012 06:04 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2012 05:46 hiro protagonist wrote:
On January 21 2012 05:36 p4NDemik wrote:
This is so messed up you three have invested all day into BM and Kingjames. I've been like 95-99% sure on these lynches for hours upon hours and now you guys are randomly switching your vote to sandroba.

Whatever trust and goodwill you have been building up, it is quickly evaporating. You need to explain this.


I think what is happening behind the seanes is that there seemed to be vary little in opposition to lynching BM, where as Kingjames01 still does not have many votes. Also, if your scum suspects are voting for BM, then you might rethink who would be the best lynch. I would be suspicious too, in your shoes, but for me, BC,Protac, and Foolishness reads are similar to my own, so its easy for me to except this.

Sandroba is today's best lynch along with Kingjames01.

Cyber_Cheese and Jackal, sense your here, wanna help lynch Sandroba?

In a word, no.
I don't blame Foolishness/Protract/BC for being scared of BMs claim, their fear of losing Protract is why Sandro is suddenly popular.
I have the best feeling about BM at the moment. Short of that, Chaosquo seems best.

I'm not convinced by arguments on Sandroba, they were essentially made day 2, and he seemed townie enough to me on day 2.

I still want to lynch BM. If he's scum as Protact and company insist then they have no fear of being blown up. They can't have it both ways.
Life can only kill you once.
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
January 20 2012 21:41 GMT
#2992
Very well put Jackal. Their reasoning is "well we don't want to risk the mad hatter claim being true" is just bogus because they put together a very solid case against BM and now they are acting irrationally in response to yet another irrational BM defense ploy. This all is oddly contrived.
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Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
January 20 2012 21:43 GMT
#2993
On January 21 2012 06:33 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2012 06:04 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On January 21 2012 05:46 hiro protagonist wrote:
On January 21 2012 05:36 p4NDemik wrote:
This is so messed up you three have invested all day into BM and Kingjames. I've been like 95-99% sure on these lynches for hours upon hours and now you guys are randomly switching your vote to sandroba.

Whatever trust and goodwill you have been building up, it is quickly evaporating. You need to explain this.


I think what is happening behind the seanes is that there seemed to be vary little in opposition to lynching BM, where as Kingjames01 still does not have many votes. Also, if your scum suspects are voting for BM, then you might rethink who would be the best lynch. I would be suspicious too, in your shoes, but for me, BC,Protac, and Foolishness reads are similar to my own, so its easy for me to except this.

Sandroba is today's best lynch along with Kingjames01.

Cyber_Cheese and Jackal, sense your here, wanna help lynch Sandroba?

In a word, no.
I don't blame Foolishness/Protract/BC for being scared of BMs claim, their fear of losing Protract is why Sandro is suddenly popular.
I have the best feeling about BM at the moment. Short of that, Chaosquo seems best.

I'm not convinced by arguments on Sandroba, they were essentially made day 2, and he seemed townie enough to me on day 2.

I still want to lynch BM. If he's scum as Protact and company insist then they have no fear of being blown up. They can't have it both ways.

It is BM though, a lot of his actions can be explained with, "dude it's BM". Besides, at the rate Incog is going at if the mafia don't kill him at night then he's just going to continue steam rolling them, and I'm perfectly fine with that lol. If Incog dies at night then Bill Murray is an easy lynch.

I agree that he (BM) is likely mafia, but we're not in a situation where we need to be taking chances. We got plenty of lynch targets, we can afford to play it cool for now.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
January 20 2012 21:46 GMT
#2994
He's the friggin sheriff and you practically had him dead to rights for all intensive purposes going into these last few hours of today. Why are you finding excuses to give him another day alive if you still think he is mafia and he can wreak havoc in night phase with jailing and the plethora of other night actions they have available.
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vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 20 2012 21:46 GMT
#2995
I would say youvare taking a mch more real chance when you don't lynch who you think is most likely scum.

Thinking about reducing KP amoung other things.

Vote for scummy players DUH.
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
January 20 2012 21:47 GMT
#2996
On January 21 2012 06:46 p4NDemik wrote:
He's the friggin sheriff and you practically had him dead to rights for all intensive purposes going into these last few hours of today. Why are you finding excuses to give him another day alive if you still think he is mafia and he can wreak havoc in night phase with jailing and the plethora of other night actions they have available.

Cause the best scumhunter in this game who has already found 3 mafia might die. Why would you want to take that chance?

How many mafia have you found?
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
January 20 2012 21:47 GMT
#2997
On January 21 2012 06:46 p4NDemik wrote:
He's the friggin sheriff and you practically had him dead to rights for all intensive purposes going into these last few hours of today. Why are you finding excuses to give him another day alive if you still think he is mafia and he can wreak havoc in night phase with jailing and the plethora of other night actions they have available.

I certainly ain't trusting you to lead the town to victory.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 20 2012 21:50 GMT
#2998
Come on foolishness. Isnt the fact that he claims a bomb on a good scum hunter more reason to lynch him than not.

You are acting like protact is a for sure goonee when BM is lynched and there is no resonable reason to think that.
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
January 20 2012 21:50 GMT
#2999
None so far proven but I feel I have one under the spotlight and I'm with you on BM.

Why are you and BC so self-unassured and relying on Proact? You guys are supposed to be super good veteran townies. Have more faith in yourself and have more faith in some of your fellow town. And most of all have faith in your read we all still think it is good.
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p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
January 20 2012 21:51 GMT
#3000
Seriously these three are beyond reason right now. This is super fucking fishy.
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