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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
Also your post smells like possible self preservation... | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On January 21 2012 04:25 kingjames01 wrote: There you are. Consider if you will the following: Why is BloodyC0bbler trying so hard to avoid taking a stand on p4NDemik? In fact, at the moment, they are attempting to distance themselves from each other. It is one thing to invalidate someone's analysis, it is another ENTIRELY to refuse to analyse. You do realize you are guilty of what you are attempting to accuse me of? You also realize I destroyed your analysis of p4n. As such I obviously disagree with your case on him. As for distancing? My posts clearly indicated I defended him from you, thus thats association. Stop cherry picking posts. | ||
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 21 2012 04:16 supersoft wrote: I kind of agree. Did wbg post the part when we talked about me masoning L? I lost that part... wait a second... depends. I remember you mentioning L. Something along the lines "I could mason Toad, he's german and I might catch scum" bc agreed and you went on saying "but I'd rather pick someone I can discuss the game with. I'm thinking about L right now". If that's what you're talking about than yes. I'm really having a hard time judging wbg because I can't tell how much he usually tunnels / how stubborn he is. I did an omgus vote yesterday to get at least some reactions and he sounded reasonable. I got the feeling wbg's the kind of player that tends to tunnel a bit so I'm not sure yet. I can understand supersoft thinking I was mafia d1 and d2 an I thought it's fishy that the lynch-palmar actions from supersoft and wbg where so "orchestrated" but now with those logs that makes sense and if supersoft said he's leaning scum on me based on my style I could see wbg believing that. The main issue really is that he pushed so hard against me with literally nothing. He said he does not like my style and after reading those logs I figured our reads are pretty much the same. That doesn't add up. He himself said somewhere in there that sandroba looks fishy and yet he attacks me for pushing sandroba and for my "I'm not sure about palmar, he might be a stubborn townie"-read. That's basicly everything he said about me. | ||
p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
On January 21 2012 04:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote: How am I contradictary? Your case on SS is weak. I am calling glurio out yet I have not said "lets all off this player". If you notice I said the lynch on supersoft was not viable at this point based on the information provided. I have not said lynch glurio. How am I at all being contradictory? As for your case against supersoft being as good as kingjames, I would strongly disagree. You did your initial analysis off 1 post while ignoring the rest. How is that stronger than a case against kingjames who has been analyzed by 3 players, and in one analysis he was shown to be misrepresenting himself on what he claimed to be doing, and was out and out doing dickall to help the town? You have not made overt statements that blatantly contradict themselves but you are dealing with two players in incredibly similar situations. Both of these people claim to be masons. Both of them have questionable plays as masons. supersoft's grand contribution as a "town mason" is discussing the lynch of a townie (Palmar) with WBG and supposedly attempting to mason L to no avail. glurio comes out now after having not even used his day 1 mason (which was actually a better use than what supersoft did after all) and then he tried to mason you but you wouldn't respond (this isn't even his fault, and it is actually confirmable unlike supersoft's story). Both have not been actively playing with the town's interests in mind in the end though. Yet, you choose to disregard my case but jump on glurio out of the blue when there are plausible explanations for his behavior. I analyzed one post I thought was his strongest tell. While I will agree this along isn't as compelling as a contrived multi-quote analysis, I did read through his filter and saw nothing to lead me away from my suspicions and next to nothing that looked like pro-town behavior. I fail to see how the number of players doing analysis weakens my personal work. I have not been campaigning like you, before today my thread presence wasn't something incredible. So I don't necessarily inspire mass support immediately. But I don't think that should be used against me. Again, I don't deny that Kingjames is suspicious at all, but honestly have you seen supersoft's defense posts? Have you seen them? They are a wet tissue. Not even good enough to withstand a sneeze. His reaction to scrutiny has been the polar opposite of Kingjames but just as damning in my opinion. If you acknowledge the similarity between supersoft and glurio you CANNOT deny that a lynch of supersoft says a lot about your alignment. And this is something we as town need to be very sure of going forward. This is what makes this lynch better than kingjames and something that can't be ignored any longer. | ||
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Protactinium
Canada550 Posts
Also please stop voting people who are not on my list. WBG is a non-sensical lynch. supersoft is likewise. the people still voting for GGQ are ... ima look at the vote lists later when i get out of class. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 21 2012 04:28 Toadesstern wrote: depends. I remember you mentioning L. Something along the lines "I could mason Toad, he's german and I might catch scum" wbg agreed and you went on saying "but I'd rather pick someone I can discuss the game with. I'm thinking about L right now". If that's what you're talking about than yes. I'm really having a hard time judging wbg because I can't tell how much he usually tunnels / how stubborn he is. I did an omgus vote yesterday to get at least some reactions and he sounded reasonable. I got the feeling wbg's the kind of player that tends to tunnel a bit so I'm not sure yet. I can understand supersoft thinking I was mafia d1 and d2 an I thought it's fishy that the lynch-palmar actions from supersoft and wbg where so "orchestrated" but now with those logs that makes sense and if supersoft said he's leaning scum on me based on my style I could see wbg believing that. The main issue really is that he pushed so hard against me with literally nothing. He said he does not like my style and after reading those logs I figured our reads are pretty much the same. That doesn't add up. He himself said somewhere in there that sandroba looks fishy and yet he attacks me for pushing sandroba and for my "I'm not sure about palmar, he might be a stubborn townie"-read. That's basicly everything he said about me. EBWOP in [b]-tag. Guess it was clear what I was talking about but who knows. | ||
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Protactinium
Canada550 Posts
On January 21 2012 04:25 kingjames01 wrote: There you are. Consider if you will the following: Why is BloodyC0bbler trying so hard to avoid taking a stand on p4NDemik? In fact, at the moment, they are attempting to distance themselves from each other. It is one thing to invalidate someone's analysis, it is another ENTIRELY to refuse to analyse. If you flip town, we'll reconsider. But until then, stop cluttering the thread with your useless spam thanks. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 21 2012 04:31 Protactinium wrote: OH I'm being bombed. Lol. Voting Sandroba. Even if BM is mafia we have plenty of other good targets. Also please stop voting people who are not on my list. WBG is a non-sensical lynch. supersoft is likewise. the people still voting for GGQ are ... ima look at the vote lists later when i get out of class. The big issue I have with BM is his claim... It's not like it's going to get better. I'm not believing a word he says about his claim but who knows, it's BM  What's going to change tomorrow? Are we supposed to somehow know if he really is a hatter or not, if so how? It's a claim that's not provable until he dies. Other than that I'd be up for a sandroba lynch :p | ||
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p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On January 21 2012 04:29 p4NDemik wrote: You have not made overt statements that blatantly contradict themselves but you are dealing with two players in incredibly similar situations. Both of these people claim to be masons. Both of them have questionable plays as masons. supersoft's grand contribution as a "town mason" is discussing the lynch of a townie (Palmar) with WBG and supposedly attempting to mason L to no avail. glurio comes out now after having not even used his day 1 mason (which was actually a better use than what supersoft did after all) and then he tried to mason you but you wouldn't respond (this isn't even his fault, and it is actually confirmable unlike supersoft's story). Both have not been actively playing with the town's interests in mind in the end though. Yet, you choose to disregard my case but jump on glurio out of the blue when there are plausible explanations for his behavior. I analyzed one post I thought was his strongest tell. While I will agree this along isn't as compelling as a contrived multi-quote analysis, I did read through his filter and saw nothing to lead me away from my suspicions and next to nothing that looked like pro-town behavior. I fail to see how the number of players doing analysis weakens my personal work. I have not been campaigning like you, before today my thread presence wasn't something incredible. So I don't necessarily inspire mass support immediately. But I don't think that should be used against me. Again, I don't deny that Kingjames is suspicious at all, but honestly have you seen supersoft's defense posts? Have you seen them? They are a wet tissue. Not even good enough to withstand a sneeze. His reaction to scrutiny has been the polar opposite of Kingjames but just as damning in my opinion. If you acknowledge the similarity between supersoft and glurio you CANNOT deny that a lynch of supersoft says a lot about your alignment. And this is something we as town need to be very sure of going forward. This is what makes this lynch better than kingjames and something that can't be ignored any longer. Lynching kingjames gives a fuckton of information on my alignment as well. If he flips town im basically up shits creek without a paddle. Why would you go to lynch someone to gain information on me that is nowhere nearly as informative as lynching someone I have invested near most of the day into? I said supersofts lynch wasnt viable today, the case on him isn't extensive enough. I also provided you with a post of his that screams out town to me. I have a complete red read on someone else, whos lynch would give far more information on me than any other candidate at this point, yet you want to lynch someone else for information on me? the fuck dude, seriously. | ||
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
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Protactinium
Canada550 Posts
On January 21 2012 04:35 p4NDemik wrote: Proact I trust your judgment based upon your actions so far this game, why is supersoft a non-sensical lynch? I have already kept an open mind and told myself I would switch (most likely to kingjames if someone could really convince me I am in error) but I have seen some of the most respected TL mafia players step to the plate in you and BC and do nothing to dissuade me. Please tell me where I have gone wrong and why this vote wouldn't be extremely beneficial to town. No time to think about it, but supersoft is CURRENTLY nonsensical. Lets lynch sandroba first. I'll look over it later when I have time although I do recall supersoft being quite useless this game. The thing is, there's no reason to deviate from my list right now. We'll take care of the rest later. Lets just consolidate our votes. This day seems to have produced some interesting information. But right now is the time to lynch, not the time to insist on getting information. I'll sort through all this later if I'm not dead by that time. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On January 21 2012 04:39 vaderseven wrote: BC, tell me how any info about you that a blue or green flip of KJ might reveal wouldnt be wifom? would be two townies I lynched + wasn't on a mafia vote wagon. Ignoring other cases while only pushing my own, etc... I'd be in a hotseat and have alot of explaining to do to avoid getting lynched. Lynching other players to gain information on me when I have said the case on isn't strong. I have read SS's filter and saw nothing glaringly "this guy is red" Me not seeing someone is red isnt a huge tell. Me heavily pushing someone to their death and trying to actively get my targets lynched purely is far more damning. -_- Does no one here actually think? | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On January 21 2012 04:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Lynching kingjames gives a fuckton of information on my alignment as well. If he flips town im basically up shits creek without a paddle. Why would you go to lynch someone to gain information on me that is nowhere nearly as informative as lynching someone I have invested near most of the day into? I said supersofts lynch wasnt viable today, the case on him isn't extensive enough. I also provided you with a post of his that screams out town to me. I have a complete red read on someone else, whos lynch would give far more information on me than any other candidate at this point, yet you want to lynch someone else for information on me? the fuck dude, seriously. I've trusted you to be town, up until most recent posts BC. Please rethink before posting things like this, okay? I masoned Kita, cuz he asked me too, but he just told me he'd be away til 4:30.... -__-...And I gotta go pick up my motorcycle from the shop and might wind up going to work cuz they called me in again. Depends when I can get my bike so I might still be MIA. | ||
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p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
People should not forgive for contradictions and conflicts of interest. Which is what I believe we have uncovered in your discrepancy in handling the supersoft/glurio situations. This would be a way more damning tell than a mistaken lynch that any town could make. | ||
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p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
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Protactinium
Canada550 Posts
BrownBear would also be a good lynch. BC/Foolishness please just pick someone to lynch and focus on that. Don't waste time arguing with people who won't listen. | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On January 21 2012 04:46 Protactinium wrote: Oh one more thing. BrownBear would also be a good lynch. BC/Foolishness please just pick someone to lynch and focus on that. Don't waste time arguing with people who won't listen. I hate you Also, supersoft's post here is a really good example of a townie honestly trying to help communication in the thread. Honest person not afraid to contribute a plan? Town. | ||
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