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On January 16 2012 11:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


hi kingjames

It is so glad to know the mafia are reallllllllly angry with me right now as it makes it really obvious when you guys leap out at me. I say this because people who should have been far more active during this game cycle and risked modkills are suddenly "spurred" into playing a game and instantly doing exactly what I would expect you to. Jump at me instantly. Why do you ask that I expect this? Because I did the most town move throughout the entirety of day 1.

From what I remember day 1 about the elections was very much what you would see in a game with no real movement. Everyone was discussing the candidates but most of it came down to experience in the players to narrow down the running. Before my claim and even after my claim up until the last 4-6 hour mark I had been solidly in the lead via votes. The "swinging" of votes towards me to give me mayor over bm was not a surge. I gained 3 votes near end of deadline. In the last 4 hours bm lost 3-4 votes then gained like 6-7. Protact who had near no solid voter base till the last 4 hours went from a very low amount of votes to just missing an elected spot. Those two had voter surges, I did not.

All the reasoning for those 3 people voting me near the end of the day were all posted within the thread as well.

You are right that we cannot forget what we learned day 1 and into night 1. Mafia is pissed at the mason situation. Town is moderately so, however you can immediately tell a player like wiggles is town based on how he is aiming to fix the situation. Not only that he is attempting to turn it into a group of scumhunters that the mafia has to risk infiltrating to fuck with (thus potentially losing one or more of their own members) or give up the idea of infilitrating it and letting town have an exclusive spot to talk.

Are their issues with wiggles plan? Yes, however it is clearly more pro town than players saying "lets trust people with near no experience with pms to use them properly"

Forcing people who can do damage or make massive gains for the town accountable for their actions and able to be analyzed properly is far more pro town than letting people work around in the dark with no guidance or real "negative" to fucking up in pm's. By forcing people to operate in the public eye with a far more insidious role than most hinders mafia, benefits town, and also created a topic of discussion day 1 that is not rehashing old games. This is a polarizing discussion. Through it, regardless of what some people may try to convince you, a ton of information was placed upon a large majority of the active player base. Did some players skirt by without posting? Why yes they did, you are one of them who did dick all day 1.

However, every game possess; players who will skirt by doing the bare minimum who will never join in on a discussion unless near forced to by mods, or by being actively called out / put up for lynch or vig shot. That is the nature of the game. However, the "active" players who comment badly on major topics but do near nothing else in the thread are typically scum being told to join in on a discussion. Is this always true? no, but it is a good starting ground.

Everyone can look back at day 1 and realize that the mason discussion did in fact take up most of the day, however near everyone should also see how many people actively sharing opinions that gave a huge amount of information that we would otherwise not have had.


You can argue that had I not done what I had that the same amount or more information would be garnered, but till my claim how much solid information had been produced on any player aside from "x is good, but if hes elected and mafia it could be bad, etc..."

Day 1 mafia games need elections to kickstart discussion, however it is near down to a formula that catching reds is far harder unless one slips up hard. By forcing people to participate in a discussion that opinions will clearly show a mafia or town bias, the chances of slipping up are far higher.

people can argue till the town comes home if I made the right move or not and that is fine however what is done is done and their is now a ton of information people can use as a starting ground to work with.



Now onto current shite.

BG names were encrypted and given out into seperate pieces. In the case both bgs are red and Myself / bm or myself on my own or bm on his own die, you will now have people able to give the bg names out to get them killed.

If people are afraid that it was possible I was linked to two reds, if the bgs both die instantly you will have 4 people who will have known the information. either myself or bm as red, or both people I gave the encrypted info to.

However in the case both bgs die, it is far more likely that the reds are the two people I gave information to than myself or bm. Why? Because if either of us is red, or if both of us are red, town bgs protect us and we would have no reason to off them fast. This is obviously wifom, but you get the idea.

Veteran well known players need to shape up, now. Palmar was lynched because of his play. If you join a game this size and intend on trolling or contributing very little useful information chances are you are going to be pegged as scum and dealt with as such. Vets should know better than to create an atmosphere that mafia can hide in, palmar was doing just that. Kurumi is also guilty of this, regardless of if he does it frequently or not.

All people that fw chose to not replace who are not modkilled, post. Kingjames is posting now and has yet to inform us as to where he was for 48 hours without posting, why he didnt vote, and why he is solely centered on continuing the mason debate while ignoring almost every other event that happened in the thread?

I will quote a few posts of kingjames to give everyone an idea of why he would make an excellent lynch target for this coming day



See this post everyone? He is advocating the divulging of "blue roles" I put that in quotations as they could be red. He also makes a point on saying that hes fine with lynching a bodyguard to prevent mafia from taking the role.(note that jackal just wanted the threat there, not actually doing it unless there was reason to) Why would you do this? Outing their names in thread or saying you will lynch one only gets bgs offed and makes the mayor/sheriff more vulnerable. Thankfully I figured out an alternative and acted on it that didn't require giving mafia the ability to snipe the bgs at no cost or suspicion as we were nice enough to hand them out.






Contradiction in this post insanely. He is fine with outing the bgs that could be either mafia or town (and they protect the sheriff/mayor who could be town/town, mafia/town, or mafia and mafia)

But is against another role that could be either alignment that could do an insane amount of damage to the town in mafia hands hidden away. His argument is mafia would know more players in the game and narrow their shots down, guess what, so does handing out the bgs. Note he also calls the mass mason roleclaim a terrible plan.

Yet when he returns from his 48 hour absence all he can talk about is how he thinks either i or bm is mafia, and the terrible mason plan that he had already said his piece on.

He doesn't analyze any player. He concentrates solely on me. Read his last post before he vanished for 48 hours



Given his extreme distrust of me here and his refusal to vote for me (didnt vote for anyone at all) you would think given the entire days worth of posting he would opt to push specifically at me when he returned, or analyzed me extensively.
Instead he opted to suggest 1 of 2 people could be red, attempt to shut down a pro town idea, request the names of the bgs.

A player of his ability knows he has to provide far more than he has given this game and I am taking notice.

On January 17 2012 06:19 Protactinium wrote:



In this game, kingjames proposes that bodyguards be made public, posts a consideration that BC may be the mafia jack, and then disappears.



A fear mongering post that asks what happens if BC is red, with no opinion or followup. Another case of apathy. Contrast this with TL Mafia XXXVIII where instantly gives strong opinions on some of the proposed policy plans (random lynching, zodiac lists), immediately jumps into trying to find mafia, posts some detailed analyses, and does a lot of poking and prodding. In this game, kingjames does not attempt to find mafia. He instead discusses outing bodyguards, and casts doubt on BC without providing any opinion. The key thing to note is that in contrast to his town play where he is outgoing and analytical, his posts in this game are very subdued, seem artificial and feel overly planned.