EPTAlso his case is even worse than the other Sandroba cases. Does he seriously think that Sandroba's day 1 play was strongly pro-town? Toad at least got that description right with "trolling".
Is Hiro reading all the guides backwards?
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jaj22
United Kingdom1376 Posts
Also his case is even worse than the other Sandroba cases. Does he seriously think that Sandroba's day 1 play was strongly pro-town? Toad at least got that description right with "trolling". Is Hiro reading all the guides backwards? | ||
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
However I don't like the people telling me it's wrong either because there's nothing they got to say. The only ones I like right now are people you are not commenting it at all but that's not helping me at all :p | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 19 2012 10:56 Toadesstern wrote: I'd actually be willing to lynch BM + GGQ tomorrow. I still think my case is good but I don't like the arguments of the people joining me :p However I don't like the people telling me it's wrong either because there's nothing they got to say. The only ones I like right now are people who are not commenting it at all but that's not helping me at all :p EBWOP: it's every time the same when I try posting at 3am... corrections withing my quote  | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
........except that the vets wanna lynch GGQ. You think you can convince those dudes to do anything a non-vet says? I don't think so. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5239 Posts
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jaj22
United Kingdom1376 Posts
Hopefully he'll get shot tonight and free up some space for more productive discussion. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On January 19 2012 10:53 Scamp wrote: Guys stop relying on meta. and rely on what? Not doing anything? Seriously, what have you done all game except whine about how other people play? | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
I'll try to post again in a bit. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
High up on that list currently are: BM Toad Scamp GGQ lower down on that list are: you VE Jackal Adam guy probably all not scum, some are very likely just bad townies, but it would be nice to see all of these people die. Jackal mostly is on there for still not doing anything, VE is on there for...still not doing anything, Toad is on there for being super annoying and disruptive, while constantly using faces and in general having no balls or valuable opinions.GGQ is on there cause he hasn't done anything. BM is #1 on my kill list cause he fucking scares me with his retardedness. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On January 19 2012 11:18 EchelonTee wrote: ? I thought Toad was one of your lynch candidates, but you support his views on Sandroba? You also said that GGQ was your other lynch candidate, but you don't like it because it's vet supported? I haven't liked his play on the whole, but scum tend to not push a candidate like Sandroba with as much fervor as Toad has...plus his case is pretty good aside from it being based mostly on what Sandroba has NOT done instead of what he HAS done. And I DO like GGQ as a candidate, and never ever said that I don't support it "because it's vet-supported". I only assumed that GGQ was the sub-out of HIS lynches because BM is far scummier (imo), and once vets set their sights, they're not moved by the likes of Toad and I (and you and ANYONE who's not a vet.) It's not their way - and it's what makes them good at what they do. Now, care to explain your blatant misrepresentation of my post? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Raise up off me dude, I'm tryin. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
There's too many scum to take the risk of just letting someone slide by. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 19 2012 11:34 wherebugsgo wrote: Toad is on there for being super annoying and disruptive, while constantly using faces and in general having no balls or valuable opinions.#1 You're telling me I'm on that list for being disruptive. I'd atually say you're the one being disruptive trying to lynch me for days WITHOUT a thing you said about me. That's the very first thing you said about me #2 #3 yeah I'm not having balls. Are you referring to the fact that I gave up on my sandroba read ? ... oh wait #4 I'm having EXACTLY the same reas/thoughts about scummy players you have and am agreeing with pretty much everyone on that list we had earlier, except for palmar and Sandroba. Everyone you think is scummy is on my scummy list is as well. So you're telling me the fact that I thought Palmar ist TOWN, while you thought he is mafia and the fact that I think Sandroba is mafia while you think he is Town is enough reason to lynch me. Because that's what it comes down to. So if you don't try again with a little more effort I'm going to ignore you from now on because you're just wrong all the time and talking bullshit + Show Spoiler + | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5239 Posts
On January 19 2012 11:36 VisceraEyes wrote: I haven't liked his play on the whole, but scum tend to not push a candidate like Sandroba with as much fervor as Toad has...plus his case is pretty good aside from it being based mostly on what Sandroba has NOT done instead of what he HAS done. And I DO like GGQ as a candidate, and never ever said that I don't support it "because it's vet-supported". I only assumed that GGQ was the sub-out of HIS lynches because BM is far scummier (imo), and once vets set their sights, they're not moved by the likes of Toad and I (and you and ANYONE who's not a vet.) It's not their way - and it's what makes them good at what they do. Now, care to explain your blatant misrepresentation of my post? 5 pages ago you said Toad was one of your lynch choices. But then you said you support Toad's view on Sandroba. I don't usually support the viewpoints of people I think are scum, which is why your post looked glaringly weird. If you changed your mind on Toad, whatever. Just a little inconsistent is all as you never indicated a change. I didn't say you don't support GGQ as a candidate. I wasn't sure if you were just being insecure about vets being more right than you are, of if you were being uneasy because you felt vets were wrongly tunneling. ...yeah. No, I didn't blatantly misrepresent your post. I asked you questions. | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
Right now I think it's important to figure out who the second lynch candidate will be. I've been sifting through the candidates (all of which I listed here) and I think the best choice is kingjames01. Yes, I do think Bill Murray is suspicious. But I also feel it's too early to be lynching into the elected officials. Many towns have been led astray because they spend the first few days agonizing over and killing the elected officials. Once they realize that they were silly to do so (even if they killed a mafia along the way) the mafia have secured a big lead in the game, and the town struggles to find direction. Let's put it this way. Say that one of BC/BM is mafia. If we let them be and keep lynching into our other red candidates (which I remind you from my post we have a lot of) eventually whichever one of them is mafia will have to put their foot down and interfere. They cannot just stand by and watch us kill their entire mafia family. We already have a good list of people we think are mafia. If we keep lynching mafia, eventually BC/BM will reveal to us whose side they are on. Back to kingjames01. Let me remind you of BC's analysis of him here. I think BC says it best when he says, "Given his extreme distrust of me here and his refusal to vote for me (didnt vote for anyone at all) you would think given the entire days worth of posting he would opt to push specifically at me when he returned, or analyzed me extensively." If you quickly go through kingjames01's filter, you will notice that ~75% of his posts summarize to "BC is mafia!". There is nothing wrong with that, and a few of his posts make some good points about the election. What is wrong is that there is no follow-up. Day 2 was a rather lackluster day for kingjames01. He made a post here and there about BC being mafia, makes a few one-liners, posts his suspicious list, then disappears. As far as we know, he still thinks BC is mafia (nothing wrong with that). Yet he has never voted for him, never pushed to convince others of his thoughts. This is definitely a mafia favored objective. He wants to insinuate doubt in the town about the elected officials, get our minds off of scumhunting and worry about the elections. Furthermore, he never mentions Macpo or GGQ except in passing. Halfway through day 2 he makes a mafia list, and votes for L. Now believe me, as someone who thinks L is mafia I'm all aboard that idea, but he never posts a thorough analysis, and again never pushes to actually get him lynched. Check out his most recent post after night started: On January 18 2012 12:54 kingjames01 wrote: I'm just dropping in to check on the game. I had such a long day and I'm too tired to sit here and read through the posts I missed. I'm actually surprised that the day ended so early. I'll be up in the morning and I'll catch up then. Good job on the Macpo lynch guys! Where is his contribution to the town? He thanks us for a job well done but what has he done to help us find mafia? The beginning of day 2 was a clusterfuck for the town and it seems like he was content with that. He never voiced his own opinion besides giving us his mafia list. While that is a good start, there was never a thorough analysis on anyone, and his vote on L seemed largely out of place when the town discussion was focused on GGQ and Macpo. In summary, kingjames01 put forth an effort to show that BC is mafia, but never had any follow-up. He did not push for his lynch, and sat back while the town flailed around day 2. It should be immediately clear that kingjames01 does not care about the town. kingjames01 should be our second lynch tomorrow. | ||
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Protactinium
Canada550 Posts
On January 18 2012 13:12 GGQ wrote: Yeah so I hard defended macpo because I thought he posted like I did when I was new. It's probably better to vig me tonight instead of wasting a lynch. Mafia don't send out reminders that they defended mafia. Mafia also don't ask to be vigged, since they can't influence vigs, but they certainly can influence lynches. Nobody lynch him today, keke? Here's the new list of mafias. L kingjames BM Toadesstern SANDROBA Jackal bumatlarge opz chaosquo Now this list is too big for them to all be mafia, but is the best place to start. Brief explanations on the new people on the list: BM. In contrast to BM's day 1 posting, his day 2 is abyssmal. Its also become less frequent too, which exactly fits my prediction if he is mafia, as his mafia play deteriorates rapidly (for cross reference, TL Mafia XXII where he is the mafia GF). And yes I should be one to know this read as I was mafia with him in that game. Toadesstern On January 19 2012 10:56 Toadesstern wrote: I'd actually willing to lynch BM + GGQ tomorrow. I still think my case is good but I don't like the arguments of the people joining me :p However I don't like the people telling me it's wrong either because there's nothing they got to say. The only ones I like right now are people you are not commenting it at all but that's not helping me at all :p Filter all of Toadesstern's posts. Search for all instances of GGQ. Confirm that Toadesstern has never made a case on GGQ, and has in fact been preventing his lynch all yesterday. "I still think my case is good"? Lol. Bullshit. See a trend here? Also combine with my pressure yesterday, which showed that Toadesstern somehow knew what happened behind the scenes with sandroba influencing BC with Palmar's lynch. Sandroba. Again, abyssmal day 2 posting compared to day 1. The case totally makes sense if you consider that Toadesstern somehow knows what goes on between sandroba/BC. As for explanations related to Ciryandor, yeah, mafia usually don't do that. But they do avoid pushing too hard where they can avoid it. Sandroba was never a viable mayor candidate, never votes for mayor (neutral, I suppose, but he doesn't vote for the person who brought up the Ciryandor case - read: me), and influences the Palmar lynch. Over Ciryandor, the person whose death he has supposedly been calling for all game in thread. Combined, these points outweigh his in thread support of Ciryandor. I know I vocally said he was town yesterday. But I lied. I only said that because I needed to get macpo lynched first lol. bumatlarge. His apathetic posting and general lack of enthusiasm is strikingly different from his usual active town play. And now I'm out of time. Need to post this before I potentially bite the dust. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
The assumption that there was a scum mayoral candidate among BC, BM, and prot may be likely, but its not set in stone. If you think one of the players is scummy, build a case. The following argument is not logically sound: BC and prot look town, therefore BM must be scum. At this point, I strongly question why a mayoral candidate needs to be lynched, while there are several other better alternatives. However, if BM comes out saying he has jailed random player with 3 posts x as his strongest scum suspect, hold him accountable. Remember his reasoning for protecting Lanaia is 100% invalid. It was not possible to reduce the scum kp on night one. As mafia, if BM were town, I would doublestack/withhold a kp/claim a hit tonight. By hiding the kp, you incriminate the sheriff target. Keep the possibility in the back of your mind. There is too much focus on the same 5-6 players. We may have done a good job at pulling for two scum kills, but we have not done a good job at drawing out all players to contribute. There is no incentive to actively post as scum currently because there are so many other players that have failed to contribute. I still support an L lynch tomorrow. As for the other candidate, I'll have to take another look through the thread, but we don't necessarily have to go after two high profile targets. Opz, if you are willing, I'd enjoy a mason chat. | ||
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