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On August 14 2011 12:58 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 12:30 Kavdragon wrote: CRAP. I just lost about two hours worth of a post, and I'm a little frustrated about it so I'm going to say this out of character so I don't have to type that up again:
There are 11 people who have posted under 1 post. More than half of them haven't posted once, and the remainder has not posted anything meaningful. This constitutes more than third of our player base and is a REALLY BAD THING. We need to drop the kurumi/jackal argument if we are to make any progress at this point. We need to put pressure on the lurkers, and I don't mean your typical "Should we lynch inactives" type of pressure. I mean real nooses, real stakes, real lynches. We absolutly cannot allow that many players to get off the hook.
Amongst those players are some of the best mafia players in the game. BC, Flamewheel, Fishball, RoL, and Dr.H are just a few of those that come to mind from the list I made earlier. I don't think that we should lynch people who are really good day one, but I do think that we should lynch those who are not as big a risk to lynch. (Not as much to lose by the lynch). These include Barundar, Aidnai, and Node, and perhaps one or two others.
I repeat, we need to focus on the completely inactive because this is worse than I have ever seen in a game before.
Barundar Aidnai Node
Who's it gonna be? it starts already huh? bwahaha, this is amazing-- you know who you're messing with, yet you post it anyway? Ladies and gentlemen, in the interest of full disclosure, I would like to inform you all that Kavdragon is aware that I have not had internet access until now, as we just arrived home from a road trip today. Additionally, he is in the habit of seeking my opinion for mafia games, which I believe shows a certain amount of respect for my abilities. Now, whether I'm actually any good isn't the point--what is amazing to me though is that I get tossed into a bin of "not much to lose if mislynched" players. Quick recap: 1) Kavdragon puts me on a lurker list even though he knows why I haven't posted yet 2) Kavdragon downplays my skill in this game when in other games he has repeatedly asked for my advice. One to add to the list... 3) Deliberately being useless and trolling even after multiple people requested that it stop. Wanna hear an explanation for all this, since the only thing I can think of off hand is that kav is scum.
Well I must admit, that was much faster than I expected. I thought it would take at least a few hours, but I guess if you are paying attention to the thread (but not posting) you can respond quickly.
Right, so in case it wasn't that obvious, lynching someone who has zero posts is almost always a horrible idea because mafia will ALWAYS get one of their own to post something before the lynch. The purpose of calling on people to lynch them was to get them to talk. Those that are legitimately afk, and unable to post don't respond to pressure. Those that can, do. So the question is, why weren't you posting before, Aidnai? (And don't tell me "I've been gone on a road trip." As you yourself admitted I was with you. Yet here I am, posting. )
Anyways, this is pretty much textbook. Mafia will respond right away, and be really defensive. Nobody even so much as mentioned my post about lynching one of those three, and yet Aidnai comes with a really defensive tone. It's interesting that he brings up the fact that I ask for his advice sometimes, as evidence that he should be included in the higher bracket of players. I'm sorry, but I don't hold you in the same regard as BC or Flamewheel. I'm not talking about "just good" players. I was pretty clear that I meant really really good players. I won't lynch BC unless there is extremely convincing evidence day one. I wouldn't hold the same true for someone of my skill level though. (Unless it was in a mini with a bunch of noobs or something).
Then the finishing touch on the textbook response, he accuses me of being scum. LOL. Chainsaw defense anyone?
##Vote: Aidnai
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On August 14 2011 13:42 aidnai wrote: it's OMGUS not chainsaw, dumbass
Also, you conveniently left out the part where YOU got home from the road trip last night, I crashed there and didn't get home till late this afternoon...
for spewing bullshit nonstop this game: ##vote: kavdragon you are a disgrace to the brown empire
AI told you it was OMGUS, you oaf.
Well sorry, I got mixed up a bit. Here, I'll apologize if I must.
Aidnai, Sorry, I got mixed up, OMGUS, not chainsaw.
+ Show Spoiler [response to spam] + Uh...That wasn't home? I offered you my laptop? Can we stop the pointless and unconfirmable details war?
Ha! You accuse me of bs'ing through the thread? Have you even read what I've written? And you call ME a disgrace to the brown empire. You are completely undeserving of it. You are nothing of the glorious leader that started the Brown Empire.
You, old fellow, seem quite set on killing me, yet you bring no evidence forward, only saying I'm BS'ing the thread. I have a reason I'm pushing for your lynch. Omgus is anti-town, and it only furthers my argument against you. Give me a reason to think you are town. I have yet to see one, and I see many reasons that make me think you are scum.
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On August 14 2011 23:38 kitaman27 wrote: BC and Flamewheel, you come in here and say how awful the current state of the thread is, yet make no effort to remedy the situation. Do you guys even care about your mid-term grades?
Node, DoctorHelvetica, RebirthOfLeGenD you have one confirmation post. Truancy is not to be tolerated.
Kurumi, can you confirm you no longer are required to troll now that your role has been removed? If that's the case, no Recess for you. Also, since you're now vanilla, could you please claim what your original role was?
I completely agree with this.
Now to today's lynch: Kavdragon
Earlier people asked if they thought personalities were tied to alignment. While I think this is generally not the case, there are two that most likely are: JimboSilvers, the Serial Killer, and Chezinu, the leader of the brown.
Think to yourself as if you were in Ver's position and wanted to give the Chezinu personality a brown related role. Would it be town aligned, mafia aligned, or third party? Earlier when I straight out asked him if he was third party, he made no effort to deny it. A cultist makes the most sense considering the flavor of his role. The last thing we want to worry about is a recruiting role.
He is trolling the thread with his Walton nonsense. He has made no attempt at contributing with the exception of the Aidnai attack. I'm not sure why so many people are so willing to ignore the player who is so likely to be third party. If we can take out an anti-town player on day one, we should take the opportunity. He also currently has the lowest report card score. Time to put him out of his misery.
Not this.
Third Party is Black, not Brown. Silly kita just trying to lynch Kavdragon day one again.
Must I point out everything?
+ Show Spoiler +On August 14 2011 05:03 Kavdragon wrote:Look at the town go round and round with their spammy arguments. I'll be out of a job at this rate my old friend. Everyone is so unhappy with things, why can't we just get along? Brown isn't a third party, it's the ONLY party. Sad...Very sad. Very well, in an attempt to make people happy, I will read you all a letter I just intercepted. I don't know who it was for, but I found that the author is someone by the name of Uncle Screwtape Flamewheel! Show nested quote +Original Message From flamewheel: Dear Walton,
I am pleased to see that your efforts to take over the town seem to be off to a swiming start. The town is caught up in their cute role-playing games, and even those who are calling them out are only role-playing themselves! Ha, this is sure to be an easy victory. First and foremost, you need to let the town do their own thing for a little while, nobody has shown up to really lead the town, and if you let them start the meham themselves, some townie will take the fall for it. So let them be, but once they start getting into the roleplaying, you MUST make sure that they continue posting only roleplay content, and nothing useful. Thankfully stage one is almost complete, and people are in shouting maches already! You will want to step in soon however, to avoid mod-kill, as that would be both a great victory for the town, and a travesty for the Mafia. I'm very interested in how this will all turn out, so don't dissapoint me.
Wishing to an early townie lynch, and swift lylo for town, Flamewheel I found this letter detailing the mafia's plans and published it so that people would stop hiding behind their roleplay, and actually use it to be useful. Oh look. I lead by example too. Just because you don't understand walton, doesn't mean that it's spam or trolling. But I'm told that we've just received a letter from that source, so expect some more news on that end. On August 14 2011 07:19 Kavdragon wrote: Kurumi is being a silly fellow, saying that we are only compelled to fulfill our win conditions. It's called Personality Mafia for a reason...I think. Wait. No. Now I get it. Yes, it's for a reason! Why are you being silly Kurumi?
Next topic: People are ignoring Walton. We must find Walton as I think that there is more to gain from his death than just a scum's head. I realize that I have given you nothing to go by, but I have devised from the letter that he has been inactive. Those who have not posted yet are suspect. Walton is among them.
To those who would accuse me of trolling. Trolling is for mafia. I may do things a little different, but every one of my posts has had a purpose. I even promised (Ver is my witness, unfortunately he's not playing) that I would keep the riddles to a bare minimum!
Point out some stuff, in voice. Give more information I received on Watson. Explain myself while fulfilling obligations. On August 14 2011 07:35 Kavdragon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 07:30 Kurumi wrote:On August 14 2011 07:30 Jackal58 wrote: Never mind Kurumi. nah don't worry tomorrow I will laugh how dumb those jubjubs are and how bad it was to roll town in this game Yeah it sucks, but don't take it too seriously man, It was Pandain who did it. That's not unusual for him as I see it. Plz stay in the game and help the town. If you feel like you have lost your purpose, you could always join the Brown Empire. We feel your pain. I agree, he should join the Brown Empire. He'd be very welcome here, and would be able to help the town better. It's settled then? Yes, it is. Kurumi, your invitation is official. Do you join the Empire? Try to get Kurumi to stop spamming, and make him feel better so that he will try to work for the town, and not against it. On August 14 2011 08:17 Kavdragon wrote: My goodness, there's a LOT of spam.
I completely agree, this must be what Walton was told to encourage...We must be careful, very careful.
Yes, but how are we to stop it? I mean, simply pointing it out might not work.
I know! What if we were to point out the fact that the whole Kurumi/Pandain thing will sort itself out in time, and should be left alone for now. There really isn't any reason for them to keep fighting you know.
Too true! Not to mention the fact that at this rate we'll be swimming in one line posts. Really. You'd think they would know better. But now, we'd better add something to the conversation so that we aren't hypocritical!
Absolutely!, Let's start with the Lurkers. There are a few people who haven't posted yet, and that can't be allowed. I mean, even beyond the fact that Walton is hiding in there, anyone who is not posting is making a perfect hiding place for other mafia.
Yes, I believe that this is the standard question that we usually start our discussions with. It will be interesting if people will be receptive to lynching an inactive...
Oh my! I've just received a message from my source that Walton may be posting soon!
We'll have to cut this short then To work! Also, see if you can't convince Kurumi to help search for him.
Will do!
Oh, and Kav?
Yeah?
Don't let Walton get away. More commentary on how spammy things are, more information on Walton. On August 14 2011 12:30 Kavdragon wrote: CRAP. I just lost about two hours worth of a post, and I'm a little frustrated about it so I'm going to say this out of character so I don't have to type that up again:
There are 11 people who have posted under 1 post. More than half of them haven't posted once, and the remainder has not posted anything meaningful. This constitutes more than third of our player base and is a REALLY BAD THING. We need to drop the kurumi/jackal argument if we are to make any progress at this point. We need to put pressure on the lurkers, and I don't mean your typical "Should we lynch inactives" type of pressure. I mean real nooses, real stakes, real lynches. We absolutly cannot allow that many players to get off the hook.
Amongst those players are some of the best mafia players in the game. BC, Flamewheel, Fishball, RoL, and Dr.H are just a few of those that come to mind from the list I made earlier. I don't think that we should lynch people who are really good day one, but I do think that we should lynch those who are not as big a risk to lynch. (Not as much to lose by the lynch). These include Barundar, Aidnai, and Node, and perhaps one or two others.
I repeat, we need to focus on the completely inactive because this is worse than I have ever seen in a game before.
Barundar Aidnai Node
Who's it gonna be? Set a trap for people who are inactive. On August 14 2011 13:18 Kavdragon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 12:58 aidnai wrote:On August 14 2011 12:30 Kavdragon wrote: CRAP. I just lost about two hours worth of a post, and I'm a little frustrated about it so I'm going to say this out of character so I don't have to type that up again:
There are 11 people who have posted under 1 post. More than half of them haven't posted once, and the remainder has not posted anything meaningful. This constitutes more than third of our player base and is a REALLY BAD THING. We need to drop the kurumi/jackal argument if we are to make any progress at this point. We need to put pressure on the lurkers, and I don't mean your typical "Should we lynch inactives" type of pressure. I mean real nooses, real stakes, real lynches. We absolutly cannot allow that many players to get off the hook.
Amongst those players are some of the best mafia players in the game. BC, Flamewheel, Fishball, RoL, and Dr.H are just a few of those that come to mind from the list I made earlier. I don't think that we should lynch people who are really good day one, but I do think that we should lynch those who are not as big a risk to lynch. (Not as much to lose by the lynch). These include Barundar, Aidnai, and Node, and perhaps one or two others.
I repeat, we need to focus on the completely inactive because this is worse than I have ever seen in a game before.
Barundar Aidnai Node
Who's it gonna be? it starts already huh? bwahaha, this is amazing-- you know who you're messing with, yet you post it anyway? Ladies and gentlemen, in the interest of full disclosure, I would like to inform you all that Kavdragon is aware that I have not had internet access until now, as we just arrived home from a road trip today. Additionally, he is in the habit of seeking my opinion for mafia games, which I believe shows a certain amount of respect for my abilities. Now, whether I'm actually any good isn't the point--what is amazing to me though is that I get tossed into a bin of "not much to lose if mislynched" players. Quick recap: 1) Kavdragon puts me on a lurker list even though he knows why I haven't posted yet 2) Kavdragon downplays my skill in this game when in other games he has repeatedly asked for my advice. One to add to the list... 3) Deliberately being useless and trolling even after multiple people requested that it stop. Wanna hear an explanation for all this, since the only thing I can think of off hand is that kav is scum. Well I must admit, that was much faster than I expected. I thought it would take at least a few hours, but I guess if you are paying attention to the thread (but not posting) you can respond quickly. Right, so in case it wasn't that obvious, lynching someone who has zero posts is almost always a horrible idea because mafia will ALWAYS get one of their own to post something before the lynch. The purpose of calling on people to lynch them was to get them to talk. Those that are legitimately afk, and unable to post don't respond to pressure. Those that can, do. So the question is, why weren't you posting before, Aidnai? (And don't tell me "I've been gone on a road trip." As you yourself admitted I was with you. Yet here I am, posting. ) Anyways, this is pretty much textbook. Mafia will respond right away, and be really defensive. Nobody even so much as mentioned my post about lynching one of those three, and yet Aidnai comes with a really defensive tone. It's interesting that he brings up the fact that I ask for his advice sometimes, as evidence that he should be included in the higher bracket of players. I'm sorry, but I don't hold you in the same regard as BC or Flamewheel. I'm not talking about "just good" players. I was pretty clear that I meant really really good players. I won't lynch BC unless there is extremely convincing evidence day one. I wouldn't hold the same true for someone of my skill level though. (Unless it was in a mini with a bunch of noobs or something). Then the finishing touch on the textbook response, he accuses me of being scum. LOL. Chainsaw defense anyone? ##Vote: Aidnai Shut the trap.
Except for my first few posts, NONE of my posts have been trolling or spam. They all have a purpose. You just have to look beyond the voice that I'm using. (It's not hard.)
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Well well, what's it say!?
I don't know, I've not opened it yet!
Well hurry up you oaf! Read it out loud now!
Hmph. Let's see.
I am pleased to inform you that I have discovered the identity of the Walton in the letter. You really are as good as they say...you already found him. His pseudonym is...Aidnai. But listen to me now. I have found far more devious information, and although I'm afraid I may have put myself in danger finding this out, I must tell you: You are in grave danger. I cannot tell how, or when, but. Well. I'd stay away from Bars.
You realize what this means?
I believe so. We must show the town that he is scum.
Yes, but we must also do it quickly. Very quickly.
Hmm. I've an idea. We are 100% sure that he is scum, right?
Correct. 100%. The letter confirmed our suspicions.
So...well. A 1-1 trade benefits the town.
Are you suggesting....
Yes my friend. It's been good, but even though our analysis of Aidnai was correct, people aren't listening, and they probably aren't even thinking about the fact that Aidnai just disappeared after that.
Yes, that's an excellent point. Aidnai came in, defended himself, accused us of not contributing anything to the thread, and then left. Ironic, isn't it?
No, I think that would be Hypocritical, but whatever. The point is we MUST kill Walton/Aidnai, and if that means we die too, then so be it.
Hello town. We'd like you to kill Aidnai and Us I. Preferably in that order so that I don't actually have to die, but if not, I'll accept the 1-1 trade, as it still benefits town. Beyond his obviously scum like reactions, I know from my source that he is Evil Scum.
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On August 15 2011 05:02 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 04:18 Node wrote:First, hai guys. Busy weekend, family's in town, yadda yadda yadda. Second, what. The. Fuck. This is beyond bad. There's a reason a lot of people aren't contributing: it's almost impossible to contribute to this mess without making it worse. I propose that everyone simply stops posting so damn much, and tries to consolidate what would normally be 3 posts down to 1, so that there's a lot less fluff for everybody to digest whenever they want to figure something out or make a point. I kinda-sorta agree with Pandain's actions so far, and I'm really disappointed that he seems to have been shot. I think Kurumi's been detrimental to the town, and I think he knows this. He's done a huge part in establishing the terrible atmosphere we've currently got, and his actions have made it impossible to just ignore the spam he's throwing around. He's gone straight to the chainsaw defense when people call him out, and claimed one of the few roles that would be worth playing risky to keep around. Pandain just made one crucial mistake: even if he's not roleplaying Bill Murray, kurumi is still kurumi. He's still gonna spew nonsensical BS. Personally, I would've rather he just be shot, as it still covers the VI possibility and saves us from any future thread-destroying shenanigans from that particular source. I also find it hard to buy that the Qatol personality would be mafia-aligned, no matter how much everyone says personality != alignment. And since nobody's counter-claimed him, I'm inclined to believe Pandain is both Qatol and town-aligned. On August 15 2011 02:32 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay guys, I'm going to go ahead and vote for Kavdragon. After rereading the thread (/wrist) I've determined that he's one of the most obviously anti-town players in the game. This nonsense about 'brown' and his ridiculous fake letters are clearly attempts to confuse town. If I had to guess, I'd say he's probably an alternate faction of some kind - the cult leader hypothesis has merit, but I'm leaning more toward an alternate scum faction. I'm not sure. But he's almost certainly not town, because not only is he ignoring the scum-hunting of others in town, he's also ACTIVELY trying to divert town's attention to his shenanigans.
Kavdragon, I'd like to see you hang today.
##Vote: Kavdragon This is an interesting way to interpret kav's actions. I'm not sure I agree with it, though. You say that he's trying to divert our actions. I ask, what exactly is he trying to divert us from? Considering how aimless this game has been, Kav might be one of the few trying to put us on a worthwhile track. I don't think he's necessarily town, but I'm willing to wait and see in this case. It looks like a very obvious (and very successful) attempt to keep town from ACTUALLY hunting scum. Yes, I believe his nonsense is related to his role...but it's still nonsense guys. Waldon? Mysterious communications with anonymous players? Intrigue? NONE of it is scumhunting. ALL of it is ridiculous. I think he's trying to divert us from real scumhunting by claiming that he's doing so with...whoever. Node, you're smarter than this and I think the fact that you're entertaining this farce is extremely suspicious.
I would like to point out that I am the only person thus far who has done any "scumhunting" thus far. (As most "analysis" have been poor and not anything that would set a lynch.) I set the trap for inactive people, and Aidnai jumped in it. Silly VE doens't want to give me the benefit of the doubt. A better question: Why not Aidnai? He's only come in to defend himself, and then dissapeared. Do you dissagree with my analysis of his reaction to my pressure?
You will notice that I almost never posted something about Walton by itself. I always gave advice to the town, tried to get people to stop spaming, or commented on some situation, and then, as an addendum, added the Walton stuff on. I did this because I knew that nobody would understand Walton, and that it could NOT be the only thing I contributed.
Deconduo: + Show Spoiler +We both arrived at a location that was NOT our respective homes, but had internet, firday night. I received my role PM then, and offered to log out and let him check his. He declined. After that he had a few opportunities to get on, but nothing much until about 3 PM PST. He had about 5 hours to post at that point however, yet he didn't even say Hi. So yes, it's not as strong as if he had been looking all day, but it's still extremely suspicious that after being on for ~5 hours, he responded very quickly to my attack.
To those of you who think that I'm a cultist: "Recruiting" Kurumi was an attempt to get him to stop spammign, and make him uesful for the town. You will notice that every public action has the hashtag form, and I have never used that. This means that if I have a recruiting power, it would have to be private, in which case why would I make it public that I was recruiting Kurumi? It makes no sense. I am not a cultist, I amd town. (Oh, and there. I deny being anything other than town. Not so sure what's magical about those words, but if you want them, there they are.)
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Hmm. This seems to be going the right way for the town, but there are so many straglers.
Yes, we need to make people accountable for voting someone who is clearly not a lynch candidate.
Alright then, let's lay out the facts for the town:
Whereas, I am offering a 1-1 trade, Aidnai has confirmed this. 1-1's are a good trade, and we have no better leads atm,
AND
Whereas, Not lynching someone today is a BAD thing for town, and we need a majority of votes.
Let it be resolved:
Everyone needs to vote for Aidnai or Kavdragon. Anyone not voting for one of us is doing something anti-town.
Jackal Fishball Curu Palmar Syllo LSB Kenpachi BloodyC0bbler Meapak
These people need to put there votes on one of us two.
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On August 15 2011 07:37 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 07:35 Kavdragon wrote: Hmm. This seems to be going the right way for the town, but there are so many straglers.
Yes, we need to make people accountable for voting someone who is clearly not a lynch candidate.
Alright then, let's lay out the facts for the town:
Whereas, I am offering a 1-1 trade, Aidnai has confirmed this. 1-1's are a good trade, and we have no better leads atm,
AND
Whereas, Not lynching someone today is a BAD thing for town, and we need a majority of votes.
Let it be resolved:
Everyone needs to vote for Aidnai or Kavdragon. Anyone not voting for one of us is doing something anti-town.
Jackal Fishball Curu Palmar Syllo LSB Kenpachi BloodyC0bbler Meapak
These people need to put there votes on one of us two. And what happens if you're wrong about Aidnai? Are you going to push for your own lynch?
I won't be. Obviously it would be againts my win condition for me to push for my own lynch. I am 100% sure about him.
On August 15 2011 07:37 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 07:35 Kavdragon wrote: Hmm. This seems to be going the right way for the town, but there are so many straglers.
Yes, we need to make people accountable for voting someone who is clearly not a lynch candidate.
Alright then, let's lay out the facts for the town:
Whereas, I am offering a 1-1 trade, Aidnai has confirmed this. 1-1's are a good trade, and we have no better leads atm,
AND
Whereas, Not lynching someone today is a BAD thing for town, and we need a majority of votes.
Let it be resolved:
Everyone needs to vote for Aidnai or Kavdragon. Anyone not voting for one of us is doing something anti-town.
Jackal Fishball Curu Palmar Syllo LSB Kenpachi BloodyC0bbler Meapak
These people need to put there votes on one of us two. For those of us who have read two posts in the entire thread (including this one) care to elaborate on why one of you is confirmed somethingsomething?
On August 15 2011 06:48 Palmar wrote:So I'd like to present you with three options for a lynch today. This should be the focus of discussion until the lynch actually happens. [list] [*] Aidnai - His vote is based on actively lurking and being overly defensive when accused. Here is a short summary from Sandroba: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10856660 . In addition, Kavdragon breadcrumbed an information role (his sources) and says he's ready to 1-1 trade himself with Aidnai.[*] Kurumi - His vote is based on his constant trolling in the thread, it seems like he is not even attempting to get around the post restriction to contribute. More damning is the things I pointed out in this analysis: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10841897[*] Scamp - he's using the same shitty logic Pandain used for shooting a day vigilante shot. He popped into the thread, wrote some random ##Kill thing and the disappeared again after calling us bad. Pandain is "masoned" with Mig, although they need to explain how the lovers role works this game. If Pandain flips town then Scamp should absolutely be the one hanging.
On August 15 2011 07:38 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 07:35 Kavdragon wrote: Hmm. This seems to be going the right way for the town, but there are so many straglers.
Yes, we need to make people accountable for voting someone who is clearly not a lynch candidate.
Alright then, let's lay out the facts for the town:
Whereas, I am offering a 1-1 trade, Aidnai has confirmed this. 1-1's are a good trade, and we have no better leads atm,
AND
Whereas, Not lynching someone today is a BAD thing for town, and we need a majority of votes.
Let it be resolved:
Everyone needs to vote for Aidnai or Kavdragon. Anyone not voting for one of us is doing something anti-town.
Jackal Fishball Curu Palmar Syllo LSB Kenpachi BloodyC0bbler Meapak
These people need to put there votes on one of us two. I can't. Somebody kill Kurumi and I'd be happy to.
If what you say is true, that sucks. But w/e.
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On August 15 2011 08:44 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 06:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:This game makes me angry. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=252145&user=117978Voting VE for terrible post history, plus I read the last couple of pages and I still don't understand why aidnai is scum. LSB BloodyC0bbler Youngminii Barundar Misder Visceraeyes Chezinu Bumatlarge ~opz~ Node Fishball DrH RoL Most if not all of the scum team is in this bunch of players. They're either there because I have active red reads on them or because they're so inactive I have no read on them. VE today then bum, YM, or LSB tomorrow. Could Pandain, Flamewheel, Mr. Wiggles, Kitaman, syllogism, and scamp please post opinions on the recent goings on? I'm still trying to make up my mind on you guys and some more content would be helpful. If there are scum outside of the earlier list they're in this one. Just roll with me town, I kill scum. Well, I just posted a thing about VE, and actually ##Vote: VisceraEyesI personally don't like the Aidnai lynch very much right now. He made some defensive posts, but I'm not actually sure if they were necessarily scummy. It seems more like he just wants to fight with Kav for some reason. At this point, I'd much rather vote for VE, who: -Made constant, shallow observations about the game -Voted for Kav and was hellbent on lynching him, until -The aidnai wagon started picking up speed and he easily hopped onto that, just dropping his previous convictions about Kav This looks really scummy to me, and a lot like a mafia trying to find the path of least resistance through day 1 by moving along with whatever the most popular bandwagon is at the time.
VE is not going to be lynched in the last few hours. It's just not going to happen. I agree he looks scummy, but one thing at a time. Voting him now is hurting the town. Stop it, I've already explained why you should be voting for Aidnai.
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We do not have a majority vote right now. We have 16, we need 17. There are many people voting for other people. This is a problem.
Foolishness, why did you vote Mig?
Node, it's come down to it. Vote Aidnai. VE isn't going to get lynched in the last few minutes.
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Oh lol. Hmm. I'm not long for this world am I. That....was NOT at all how it was supposed to go.
Interesting.
So...I am green. There were certain things that lead me to believe that Aidnai was absolutely scum. Those apparently turned out to be false. Fml. If I die, it's my own fault.
Now that I can speak without that voice (for the most part) I will try to contribute as much as I can, without the troll-like stuff included. I will answer any and all questions to the furthest extent that I can without violating the rules. Something good DID come out of this, but it does make me just as mad as you (believe me) that he didn't flip scum.
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On August 15 2011 12:23 redFF wrote: meh, are you now confirmed scum kav?
Sigh. I _did_ promise the town a 1-1 trade. I was not trying to deceive the town into fulfilling a secondary win, I was trying to get someone who I was positive was scum lynched. You will note that he was the EVIL twin, no? (Not that I would base everything off of that.)
If town lynches me I will have done even more harm to the game, so beyond just playing to win, I will try to survive so that the town doesn't get a 2-0 trade.
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On August 15 2011 12:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Now that the lynch as flipped as it has, can people stop being retards now?
Because of the lynch, Yes.
On August 15 2011 12:29 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 12:28 Kavdragon wrote: Oh lol. Hmm. I'm not long for this world am I. That....was NOT at all how it was supposed to go.
Interesting.
So...I am green. There were certain things that lead me to believe that Aidnai was absolutely scum. Those apparently turned out to be false. Fml. If I die, it's my own fault.
Now that I can speak without that voice (for the most part) I will try to contribute as much as I can, without the troll-like stuff included. I will answer any and all questions to the furthest extent that I can without violating the rules. Something good DID come out of this, but it does make me just as mad as you (believe me) that he didn't flip scum. tell me exactly why you thought aidnai was scum. Also you understand my apprehention in believing you considering you could be lying about all of this.
I've talked to Ver and the most that I can say is "My role PM lead me to believe that Aidnai was my Evil twin, and was Mafia." I wish I could be more specific.
I will reiterate that i did NOT do this just to get rid of my evil twin. I did this because I thought it was a sure lynch for town on day one, and that is exactly what the town needed at that point.
I'll have to check with mods before I comment on my sanity (Or previous lack there of), but I think it's safe to say that you will see a difference in my posting.
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On August 15 2011 13:00 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 12:55 Kavdragon wrote:On August 15 2011 12:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Now that the lynch as flipped as it has, can people stop being retards now? Because of the lynch, Yes. On August 15 2011 12:29 redFF wrote:On August 15 2011 12:28 Kavdragon wrote: Oh lol. Hmm. I'm not long for this world am I. That....was NOT at all how it was supposed to go.
Interesting.
So...I am green. There were certain things that lead me to believe that Aidnai was absolutely scum. Those apparently turned out to be false. Fml. If I die, it's my own fault.
Now that I can speak without that voice (for the most part) I will try to contribute as much as I can, without the troll-like stuff included. I will answer any and all questions to the furthest extent that I can without violating the rules. Something good DID come out of this, but it does make me just as mad as you (believe me) that he didn't flip scum. tell me exactly why you thought aidnai was scum. Also you understand my apprehention in believing you considering you could be lying about all of this. I've talked to Ver and the most that I can say is "My role PM lead me to believe that Aidnai was my Evil twin, and was Mafia." I wish I could be more specific. I will reiterate that i did NOT do this just to get rid of my evil twin. I did this because I thought it was a sure lynch for town on day one, and that is exactly what the town needed at that point. I'll have to check with mods before I comment on my sanity (Or previous lack there of), but I think it's safe to say that you will see a difference in my posting. you have an evil twin? That you suspected of being mafia? If you have an evil twin wouldn't that suggest that you are both differently alignments, or if nothing else that eliminating your twin is a separate win condition? If so you were playing for your own benefit more than towns.
You confuse me. You are making my arguments for me. I have an evil twin, this makes me think that he's not the same alignment as me, and since I am town, that means he is anti-town. (I mean, comeon, what kind of townie is an "evil" twin?) If I were mafia it would make no sense to do what i just did, unless it was a wincon. Killing Aidnai was not a separate win con, otherwise I would have left the game.
Also, the mods just informed me that my previous statement that my sanity would influence my posting was incorrect. So pretty much I fail at understanding my role PM. However, I will try to change my voice to be more useful, as hard as that may be.
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On August 15 2011 13:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 12:55 Kavdragon wrote:On August 15 2011 12:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Now that the lynch as flipped as it has, can people stop being retards now? Because of the lynch, Yes. On August 15 2011 12:29 redFF wrote:On August 15 2011 12:28 Kavdragon wrote: Oh lol. Hmm. I'm not long for this world am I. That....was NOT at all how it was supposed to go.
Interesting.
So...I am green. There were certain things that lead me to believe that Aidnai was absolutely scum. Those apparently turned out to be false. Fml. If I die, it's my own fault.
Now that I can speak without that voice (for the most part) I will try to contribute as much as I can, without the troll-like stuff included. I will answer any and all questions to the furthest extent that I can without violating the rules. Something good DID come out of this, but it does make me just as mad as you (believe me) that he didn't flip scum. tell me exactly why you thought aidnai was scum. Also you understand my apprehention in believing you considering you could be lying about all of this. I've talked to Ver and the most that I can say is "My role PM lead me to believe that Aidnai was my Evil twin, and was Mafia." I wish I could be more specific. I will reiterate that i did NOT do this just to get rid of my evil twin. I did this because I thought it was a sure lynch for town on day one, and that is exactly what the town needed at that point. I'll have to check with mods before I comment on my sanity (Or previous lack there of), but I think it's safe to say that you will see a difference in my posting. Ok, so did you actually think that what aidnai was posting was scummy, or did you just get blinded by what you thought was confirmed scum and you tunneled the crap out of him? I'm wondering if you actually thought his posts were scummy, or if the primary motivator for his lynch was just your role PM.
I honestly thought that his response was scummy. I pressed him harder than I would have otherwise because of my role PM however. I "knew" that he was scum, but had to prove it to you, so I tried to use a "trap". He fell in it just like I thought scum would, and my arguments were completely legitimate and I meant every word that i said in them. The only thing that was different was the that I pushed for his lynch really hard because of my PM.
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On August 15 2011 13:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 13:41 redFF wrote: nahh i have town read on kav. jackal is 3rd party tho. Evil twin? the evil twin flipped town -_-. He even admitted he believed that since aidnai was his evil twin he must be a different alignment? the guy flipped town. Kav based on actions based on his role screams not town -_-
Telling the town that we have a gurranteed 1-1 trade is horrible play for mafia, and even worse for SK's.
The fact that I thought Aidnai was a different alignment combined with my actions is a town tell. If I were mafia and thought he was town/SK I would want to keep the entire thing quiet. There is no doubt in my mind that neither I, nor Aidnai would have been lynched if it were not for my actions this game.
If I were mafia I would not want the town to know that there is a twin style 1-1 trade possibility. If I were SK I would not want to put myself in a position that would make me extremely likely to be lynched. If I were town it makes sense because you don't mind trading 1-1, that is a good trade.
1-1's are only good for town. Not to mention the fact that i'm the implied "Good" twin, not that that's solid proof by any means.
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On August 15 2011 13:54 tnkted wrote: Kav, you need to claim your entire role or you're going to get vigi'd mighty quick.
Also... don't we get to see what his role was?
As far as I know, I've told you all that I am allowed to. I'll double check with the mods, but I'm pretty sure I can't tell you everything about me, as much as i would want to.
I checked with the mods, no. I can't reveal any more than I already have. Chances are SOMEBODY will kill me tonight anyways (mafia or vigs, who knows, maybe both).
However, without revealing anything from my role PM I can point out the fact that Aidnai was my twin and presumably had the same role PM as me, except that he was "evil". Despite that he also thought that I was scum enough that he agreed to the 1-1 trade. The obvious implication is that there was something convincing enough for us both, and it was not the fact that he was the "evil" twin since that would obviously implicate the reverse for him.
On August 15 2011 22:41 BarBaPoPPa wrote:I don't think Kavdragon is scum. His gambit makes no sense as scum, and occam's razor tells us he's therefore town.
Beyond this it's not WIFOM.
Wifom is when you start predicting someone's actions while taking account for their knowledge of you, and your probable actions. For instance,
A medic knows that the mafia will try to kill someone, so they will try to protect someone that is likely to be killed. That is not wifom.
The medic knows that the mafia will try to kill someone, and they know that you will try to pick someone they are likely to shoot. Therefore you should pick someone that you would other wise be unlikely to protect. (On and on in circles as long as you like)
I'm may be a fool for my assumption, but I'm not scum.
+ Show Spoiler +Kurumi was just temp banned for 2 days by Nyovne.
That account was created on 2010-04-20 03:31:14 and had 2006 posts.
Reason: TL.net Bot was all out of the by you requested reasons. It however did have plenty enough Ban left.
Don't mod shop.
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Dang it, why are none of the mods on line...
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Eh, you are on my scum list so I don't mind if you are.
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On August 16 2011 14:40 bumatlarge wrote: ##Nuke Kavdragon
"Be Strong, Be a Martyr, Be Brown."
As the battle rages on, and the nuke becomes reality. This is war...War never changes...
Flames come upon me...Flames come upon me.
The Man within is scorched. The flames shall cleanse me...Nothing shall stop me now... Nothing...
I no longer have conflicts within my soul. For death is imminent. I can now speak without repercussions.
My town, forgive me. I disappointed not only myself but the town as a whole. What have I done? What can I claim that benefits the town for the lynch of my twin brother? Alas, even then I cannot speak.
The Truth... I may have been invincibly insane in the past but in the present I'm nothing but a sane vulnerable player.. An illusion of greatness... Winning is deceptive.. For it is fleeting.. One moment, you're in the valley, the next you are on the mountain top and get nuked. Does it matter what greatness you've witness on the peaks when you are blinded by the flash of bombs? Maybe so..maybe so.. For that is where one can gain his strength back. In hope that one day, through the sacrifice of a martyr he might one day stand on the peak, and still live. But what martyr can one hope in to be willing to give up his life to save another? Especially to save someone like me who is sane yet unrepairable by all means of psychiatric help.. How would they know if I would behave well just below the mountain top? How would they know that I wouldn't abuse the opportunity given to me? If I were to be saved... I have changed myself.. For my evil desires that lured me into insanity are dead... Was that the way to kill the evil within, or is fire the answer? Will the fire consume the evilness within me and burn it into a crisp? Will this fire birth in me a new desire? A desire that will spread out of me and consume those around me? That they too will be free from there wickedness?
Brown Forever, Forever Brown. What can stop this cycle of brownness? A hero is needed, A martyr who is stronger than brown itself, a priest willing to resurrect him whom sacrificed himself. For the hero, the martyr, and the priest shall unit together to form an unstoppable town force that will use fire to burn the impurities from brown earth. For brown is always slaking because it is always dearth.
+ Show Spoiler +For my last act, I will destroy you all! Behold, Bum made a mistake: NOT DEAD YET, NENEMEY!
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