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Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
August 23 2011 03:57 GMT
#1641
aww yee
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 23 2011 03:57 GMT
#1642
This game mindfucked me so hard.
darkness overpowering
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
August 23 2011 03:58 GMT
#1643
On August 23 2011 12:56 chaoser wrote:
node didn't even make any diagrams!!!


node opted to not play im guessing.


#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
August 23 2011 03:58 GMT
#1644
On August 19 2011 23:47 Pandain wrote:
atmosphereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee


GG. Thanks for hosting Ver and Incog.

If anyone wants an amusing read, take a look at around page 66 and on for all of us trying to bait curu to say his bomb trigger :p
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
August 23 2011 04:09 GMT
#1645
gg. I hope mafia enjoyed this game.
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
August 23 2011 04:16 GMT
#1646
Yeah, thanks for hosting, Ver and Incog!!! :p
you gotta dance
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
August 23 2011 04:18 GMT
#1647
The planting ability was amazingly powerful, and sadly that's all I contributed to this game.

Kudos to my team; you guys did a good job.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 23 2011 04:20 GMT
#1648
gg game was absolute torture to play as town

Town definitely played insanely horrible. But I think overall the game was mafia favored. The posting restrictions hurt town a ton and helped mafia. The mafia roles are all godly, the mafia basically has the absolute perfect role setup where as half the town roles are trash. Like tnktd's role is virtually useless for town. Along with that 7 mafia + traitor and 3kp+ the bomb kp + syllos suicide kp is just way way too much kp for mafia. No flips on the roles hinders town as well.

No excuses though town clearly made a huge amount of mistakes and could have done much much more to win, myself included.

Thanks for hosting.
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-23 04:30:34
August 23 2011 04:27 GMT
#1649
Looking from an outside perspective the mafia roles look really, really strong, especially the death framer. The tratior getting a free town kill when lynched is also... odd, I mean he lynches BC in his place, gets a free kp and forces the town to have to somehow kill him? That seems really, really strong. Not to mention the bomberman being a free extra kp, or the suicide bombers destructive potential.

Mafia seems stacked.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 23 2011 04:30 GMT
#1650
Yea the mafia roles are godlike. A bomb kp every single night. A role thief. A scum doctor. A puppetmaster. Pandain is gf + can permanently remove town powers. Syllo was fucking rber and admiral ackbar combined into one role, so anytime he was about to be lynched he could always suicide and kill the best town player. And then to top it off death framer is unreal good.
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flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
August 23 2011 04:32 GMT
#1651
Massively agreed. Posting restrictions don't hurt us at all... Though I thought at first town had crazy powers as well and there would be a Serial Killer.

Still I think the town did well enough after Day 1.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
August 23 2011 04:37 GMT
#1652
Yea the PRs just brutalize town. Like Sandroba could only post 5 times a cycle after being rbd, basically taking him out of the game. YM could only accuse people who had accused him so he can't do anything. And then you have things like kav/aidnai wanting to kill each other to gain powers. Jackal being forced to tunnel a townie, etc.

The PRs made it very difficult to tell between townies playing their roles and mafia trolling. I am sure if the town was really dedicated they could have found ways around it but it definitely made it much tougher.
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youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
August 23 2011 04:41 GMT
#1653
Yeah I was binded with an annoying PR. My usual play is to accuse people all the time, so I looked really weird when I couldn't do that. All game, only like two people accused me, one being Scamp; which is why it looked like I had tunnel vision on him.

:/

Thanks for hosting!
lalala
ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 23 2011 04:59 GMT
#1654
I had such an easy PR, lol. Like, no one ever claimed DT except maybe Curu? Idk if that counts? And he only posted his finds once, and then Palmar claimed Mafia... so disputing it wouldn't do anything anyway.

I still played like an idiot. >_< I don't regret my shot on Kurumi though. I just regret that I can't scum hunt for shit. T_____T
darkness overpowering
Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
August 23 2011 06:14 GMT
#1655
Couple notes.

One: It is really hard not to just say "I had to do it because of my role" or something similar when defending yourself from doing crazy actions. I apologize for doing it earlier in the game. I will note that my character description didn't explicitly say not to do that like some of the other descriptions did, but I also understand that it'd be crazy annoying to have to describe every little thing you can't do. So again I'm sorry for that.

Two: I'm really curious how the mafia were going to get me to say "Jenkins".

Three: I don't feel too bad about my play now that I know Bum was actually townie. I've never seen an ability to frame someone on lynch before and seeing Bum flip scum really shook my confidence.

Four: I had fun. Kinda frustrating to play as town (especially since I didn't really have any crazy abilities. I'm a bodyguard and I get one pardon? FML. If only that shot on Pandain could have been real...) but overall I had a good time and was always eager to see what the hell was going to happen the next day.
Cheese is good for you!
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-23 07:04:55
August 23 2011 06:39 GMT
#1656
Incog, I apologize for always appearing so angry in my PM spam, despite most things going our way. As I said, I knew I was being unreasonable but I had to vent. I'm assigning some blame to flamewheel for saying you are easy to convince . Thanks for hosting, the setup had a lot potential for hilarity and some of that materialized.

We didn't play particularly well, but town was so awful I decided pretty early on that we can win just by lurking and not really by blatantly pushing the mafia agenda (cough). If curu hadn't been lucky with his night action, this might have been a flawless mafia victory. It turns out lurking apparently makes you less suspicious in the eyes of this town, not more.

The setup seemed mafia favored for once, but town did have a lot of KP and failed to use it properly. Sandroba's role was incredibly powerful, but he telling everyone about it on n1 wasn't a good, but I guess he was really paranoid about being hit and thought it was likely that one of the people he contacted early was mafia. We were quite afraid of a mass claim since a lot of town roles were likely confirmable and not very likely to be given to mafia. While comparing PMs isn't allowed, even matching vague role descriptions with appropriate personalities can be risky.

Perhaps the game was balanced around mafia losing some of their key roles early, but as that didn't materialize and town lost some of their own key roles early on, the balance shifted decidedly on n2. Town was warned against role/personality claiming, but kept doing it anyway. Tnkted strongly hinting that he had some kind of vote rigging role was the final nail in the coffin. We used our forced role claiming ability to make sure it really was that, as it was difficult to believe a townie would basically reveal their role during night, let alone end the day prematurely. The ability didn't force him to be truthful, but I suppose he thought that lying would just make things worse for him and didn't anticipate a role thief.

Also, town should have read through PYPI post game balance discussion to get an idea of the mafia roles that might be present in this setup. There was no speculation about the potential roles at all. When Kav suddenly blew up and "another" nuke went off, town just shrugged and moved on. It was possible to deduce based on that chain of events that it had to have been some kind of bomb, unless you thought plausible that he was day vigged AFTER he had already been nuked. Similarly it might have been possible to conclude Bum couldn't be mafia, but a flip framer is such powerful role when unexpected.

Special mention to Kav for his chezinu impression. We also regret that we had to take out the real one on n1.

fake edit: wow town had a lot of roles they never really used
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 23 2011 06:49 GMT
#1657
Also BC why didn't you try to get yourself lynched? Did you even read your role description?
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
August 23 2011 06:53 GMT
#1658
On August 23 2011 15:49 syllogism wrote:
Also BC why didn't you try to get yourself lynched? Did you even read your role description?

Because both You and Town sucked .
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
August 23 2011 07:39 GMT
#1659
On August 23 2011 15:49 syllogism wrote:
Also BC why didn't you try to get yourself lynched? Did you even read your role description?



Both sides sucked, and I had absolutely no idea who had the bc personality at first, factor in that I figured that since it was technically 8 vs town the chances of the bc personality being red were fairly high. As such me dying could have killed one of you guys, I had no way of knowing until i knew who all the red were that my "lynch" wouldn't rape a mafia.

Also you guys ruined all chances of me ever revealing myself to you the moment you had palmar out my role. Had I not been modkilled I wouldn't have done jackshit to reveal myself unless game made it to lylo and I was somehow still alive.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-23 07:47:10
August 23 2011 07:42 GMT
#1660
On August 23 2011 16:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2011 15:49 syllogism wrote:
Also BC why didn't you try to get yourself lynched? Did you even read your role description?



Both sides sucked, and I had absolutely no idea who had the bc personality at first, factor in that I figured that since it was technically 8 vs town the chances of the bc personality being red were fairly high. As such me dying could have killed one of you guys, I had no way of knowing until i knew who all the red were that my "lynch" wouldn't rape a mafia.

Also you guys ruined all chances of me ever revealing myself to you the moment you had palmar out my role. Had I not been modkilled I wouldn't have done jackshit to reveal myself unless game made it to lylo and I was somehow still alive.

When mafia asks the traitor to do something, he should do it regardless of what he thinks is going on in the game. Clearly mafia has more information than you and as such can make a better assessment of the situation. Basically even without that lynch dodging thing, town couldn't lynch you or they would lose and we were going to have a medic on you if you had claimed.

e: i suppose your belief that BC could be a mafia personality is a reasonable explanation, but I don't think that was very likely
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