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 The current starting time is my bedtime D: | ||
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A confirmed townie coordinating blues is brilliant. The only problem I can see is if scum impersonates medics. That could give away blue roles/leave our soldier vulnerable. Solution? Just have all medics protect the soldier for night 1. 1 Night of coordinated abilities is quite powerful and we'll have more info on Day 2. | ||
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On August 02 2011 08:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote: if you read my posts i provided reasons 1. we dont know if there are more than 1 doctor which is kinda important 2. mafia can stack hits to kill the vig 3. vig could shoot doctor ruining everything 4. vig will probably hit town its rare you get a mafia on day 1 much less a successful day 1 vig here ar emore reasons i havent provided yet 5. mafia can use this to keep town focused on the blue network/suspicious of other peoples claims and put attention on the vig and off of post analysis which is what wins games for town what do you consider a real reason it would be nice if instead of unconditional instant support for someone elses plan which is mildly suspicious you read my posts and if my reasons aren't good enough at least say why instead of just saying "youre scum" lol "we've already found 2 scum" its day 1 dont be ridiculous 1. Medics are basically the only problem I see at the moment. I don't think that qualifies as a reason to instantly discard the plan. 2. Having Mafia stack hits reduces their KP, which isn't a bad thing. We'll still have no overlaps on Night 1 from blues. 3. What? 4. That's the case on Day 2 as well. On August 02 2011 07:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote: if this happens which i hope it doesnt i really hope you're not suggesting he openly tells the blues what to do in irc/thread Another terrible attempt to stop the plan. Why would he be suggesting that? | ||
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On August 02 2011 08:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote: so we should kill more townies to get more information? the best thing to do imo is save the town kp for the end when it becomes safer to use, that's how games get won lol' it isnt a skip night 1 simple mafia stack hits on vig ruining everything no wthere are probably 3 dead townies and a wasted town kill power thats a great plan i support it 100%..... If we consider that scum will have to stack the Day Vig, we're trading 1 confirmed town kill for 1 possibly scum kill. It's not a straight up loss and it will be a pseudo lynch effectively. I don't see how this plan will kill analysis either. | ||
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On August 02 2011 08:36 OriginalName wrote: This involves claiming. PM claiming = bad. How is it bad to claim to a confirmed townie? | ||
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On August 02 2011 08:46 redFF wrote: ...lol post the irc chat please, that is not a decent reason. Regardless, have any of you guys a scum saying he's a vig and figuring out who the other shots are at? or a scum saying he's a medic and finding out who's protecting who? I've played games where everyone has claimed to a "confirmed townie" and scum have raped and taken advantage of this, so please don't tell me the plan is faultless. If a vig is willing to use his shot as a lynch then it's ok. But I'm really not sure that day 1 is the best time to have a double lynch. Yeah the day when we have the least information and most likely to lynch town is when we should double lynch! There, that's my opinion if you think it's scummy then vote me. Draz post what was scummy in the irc chat please. How will he figure out who the other vig shots are aimed at? How will a fake medic find out who the other medics are protecting? Who said the plan is faultless? I think I'll take your advice and vote for you! ##vote redFF If there isn't a great candidate for day vig I agree with heist's Day 2 proposal. We don't really want to use our vigi's and hatters on Night 1 anyway, do we? Confirmed townie might be more effective on Day 2. The only problem is the risk of losing him on Night 1... | ||
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I think the only time that we should be claiming is if Mafia only have 1 KP left or if a Day Vig hits a Vet, leaving us with 2 confirmed townies. One of them will survive the night and be able to pass on info~ redFF, forever RED? | ||
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On August 03 2011 03:23 Varpulis wrote: I got called out for wishy washiness in PTP (day 1) as well. Day 1 nothing is solid, there's rarely anything to base arguments off of until late in the day, and I'm usually focused on proving my activity, not calling people scum.[/b] I haven't taken a stance because I don't have a really strong feeling about anybody yet. [b]By the way, if we're going ahead with the plan, could we have a soldier/sniper claim? If there are none we need to reevaluate. Lol dude wtf? I'm struggling to find any non-scum motive for wanting such a claim. Could you provide me with one? And you're focused on maintaining your appearance as an active townie instead of hunting scum? Good stuff. Mig's going crazy at people for not providing great posts on IRC, yet he's not doing what he's hounding others to do? Scum often employ such strategies. What's the dealio, yo? | ||
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On August 03 2011 04:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote: hey aren't you the one that was supporting this plan the most lol why are you taking the easy call out on varpulis for rolefishing when you were basically asking for the same thing lmfao Where was I asking for public role claims? "lmao" And I think you're mistaking my criticism of bad reasons to shut down the plan as support. Like I mentioned earlier, I was operating under the wrong assumption of mass blues. We likely don't have that many so the plan isn't as sexy as I initially thought it was. While there are valid reasons to oppose the plan, some people were presenting atrocious ones seemingly for the sole reason of stopping it - whether there was merit to it or not. | ||
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Can you please stop going on about a mass roleclaim TO A CONFIRMED TOWNIE being a bad thing? It's getting tiresome. | ||
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On August 03 2011 05:32 redFF wrote: on Lucidity. Apparently because people opposed a plan which has very real and obvious faults and holes makes someone scum... Although at this stage he could be just a dumb/inexperienced player not thinking. But calling me and DrH scum because we disagree with the plan is pretty funny. So he see's a vote for me and thinks he can start an easy bandwagon on someone because at that stage in the game the plan had a lot of support. My point was a scum could be like-protecting this guy and if the confirmed townie said don't the scum could infer that that guy already had medic protection. We've already established the plan has major flaws esp on day 1 so i won't go back into that. The vote though doesn't really have any reasoning apart from attacking the plan, the points i was making were valid imo. Also he didn't actually vote for me in the thread, which I find pretty funny. That just seems like mafia trying to kick off a bandwagon and the turning around and looking at the votes and calling people scummy when i flip town... Ok then don't ask other people to do it just do it. This post is complete shit, all it does is ask other people to contribute when he hasn't even contributed himself. ##Vote Lucidity I wasn't saying you're scummy for opposing the plan. Your reasons provided were horrible, which I found suspicious. This isn't worth thread space as it's quite obvious, but if you're interested read the spoiler. + Show Spoiler + On August 02 2011 06:53 redFF wrote: I really dont think vig should shoot day 1. We can't all be redff. Oppose with troll. You seemed to do this in AA also. On August 02 2011 08:46 redFF wrote: Regardless, have any of you guys a scum saying he's a vig and figuring out who the other shots are at? or a scum saying he's a medic and finding out who's protecting who? Horrible. How would they ever figure this out? On August 02 2011 08:46 redFF wrote: I've played games where everyone has claimed to a "confirmed townie" and scum have raped and taken advantage of this, so please don't tell me the plan is faultless. The plan doesn't involve a "confirmed townie". It would be a real confirmed townie. No one ever said the plan was faultless. On August 02 2011 08:54 redFF wrote: So you want one townie conducting every single vig hit/medic protect/hatter bomb? k here's an example. Mafia-I will be protecting player x Confirmed townie-no someone else is protecting him. now mafia know's to not hit player x. This would never happen. Terrible reason. On August 02 2011 09:01 redFF wrote: I'm not comfortable with having 1 townie direct all of the blue actions. What if the townie is wrong about things/terrible? then we are screwed... On August 02 2011 09:39 redFF wrote: I don't see why i am being fos'ed for opposing this plan. Why would we want to enforce a double lynch and use a dayvig shot day 1, when we can use it later game when we have a far higher chance of hitting mafia. All this plan will most likely do is kill 3 townies and lose us a dayvig shot which can be far more useful later on. Idk what the fuck is going on when its a good idea to double lynch day 1. It seems to be the proponents of this plan are just like LETS KILL TOWNIES FASTER!!!!1111ONEONE!!! If anything it's scummy to defend this plan and then just call whoever is against it scum with zero reasoning. We lynch today, vigs for the most part should hold their shots, and we win this game by scumhunting, not by some kooky plan Sandroba made up in 5 minutes. Pros 1. get a confirmed townie 2. Every blue claims to this townie?? Cons 1. Double lynch on the day when we are most likely to lynch town. 2. Mafia can infiltrate pm circle 3. One townie directing all blue actions 4. Confirmed townie will most likely be shot 5. We lose a dayvig shot early when it can be put into far better use later on in the game. Someone please put forward a convincing argument as to why this plan is good aside from pulling a Drazerk and going "lolscum" The pro is coordination and a voice for blues. Avoiding possible death before he uses his shot. 2. There wouldn't be any PM circle. 3. If the townie is super bad it would be bad, but we'd still have the benefit of coordination. 4. Confirmed townie will be shot whether we use the plan or not. The only decent points you raised seemed to be parroting others. Anyway, now you're defending your horrible reasoning again? Your points weren't valid for the most part, except for those that you adopted from others... There's no shame in making mistakes, but trying to defend bad posts' reasoning so that you seem "clean" indicates that you're scared to be wrong. You seemed overly anxious to defend any accusations thrown your way, which is similar to what I experienced as your scum partner in AA. And lol, you're right I forgot to vote for you in the voting thread. I actually find Varp the best scum candidate at the moment after that post I highlighted earlier. But don't worry, I'll vote for you first so that the voting record shows it "when you flip town" (hahaha?) As for the last quote, you might have noticed that I was talking to others who were perma complaining about the plan being a waste of time. I never said the discussion was a waste of time. How is it complete shit? Terrible man ;p | ||
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If you want to continue the discussion about how your reasoning was bad I'd be happy to do it in PM. I feel it's useless spam in the thread. | ||
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On August 03 2011 07:14 OriginalName wrote: BIG IRC LOG POST INCOMING + Show Spoiler + [16:49] <@Kurumi> ok ok [16:49] <youngminii> not that anyone cares [16:49] <@Kurumi> hm [16:49] <CUru> hey munk e [16:49] <@Kurumi> dropbear would care [16:49] <@Kurumi> but he isn't playing [16:49] <CUru> who do you think is scummy? [16:49] <Munk-E> Mainly mig [16:49] <Munk-E> but i'm also analysing varp [16:49] <Munk-E> and lucidity [16:49] <youngminii> oh look syllogism told mig that we're talking about him and now mig is here [16:50] <Lucidity> lol [16:50] <youngminii> /talkingoutofmyass [16:50] <Munk-E> Oh snap when did he get here? [16:50] <mig__> just got here I was just in irc until I had to disc like 15 min ago lol [16:50] <mig__> maybe longer [16:50] <OriginalName> it was like [16:50] <OriginalName> an hour ago [16:50] <OriginalName> when you dced [16:50] <mig__> k [16:52] <CUru> ym why would you want to lynch mig day 1? [16:52] <CUru> he has a ridic track record of finding scum [16:52] <DoctorHelvetica> i agree with curu [16:52] <youngminii> oh that's fair enough reason to not lynch him actually [16:52] <DoctorHelvetica> wait on mig [16:52] <youngminii> yeah [16:52] <CUru> scum would be much more afraid of him than town [16:52] <syllogism> mig was mean to him so he started tunnelling the most active player in a game where the thread is pretty dead, standard [16:52] <youngminii> ok unvoting [16:52] <CUru> if hes scum then we can tell when he doesnt find any scum [16:53] <youngminii> splendid work syllogism, as usual [16:53] <syllogism> it's true [16:53] <OriginalName> So [16:53] <OriginalName> are we down to Varpu/Lucidity [16:53] <OriginalName> for likely suspects? [16:53] <youngminii> what, the fact that your backseat sheeping is splendid? [16:53] <syllogism> what am I sheeping [16:53] <OriginalName> On Mig [16:54] <syllogism> on what [16:54] <OriginalName> when he could theoretically be perfectly wrong [16:54] <OriginalName> and your just not doing any of your own thinking [16:54] <youngminii> on literally everything he has done this game [16:54] <OriginalName> on his lynches [16:54] <OriginalName> Syllogism [16:54] <youngminii> i'm not even kidding, you're just following his every single thought [16:54] <OriginalName> you are not mig [16:54] <syllogism> i've been talking to him and a few others all game on skype [16:54] <OriginalName> think for yourself [16:54] <youngminii> you mean on quicktopic? [16:54] <syllogism> you apparently dont know me very well [16:54] <syllogism> if you think i dont think for myself [16:54] <OriginalName> but you havent shown that yet [16:54] <OriginalName> at all [16:54] <OriginalName> ._. [16:54] <syllogism> in thread yes [16:55] <OriginalName> THEN SHOW IT IN THE GOD DAMNDED THREAD [16:55] <OriginalName> THATS WHERE IT MATTERS [16:55] <youngminii> you haven't shown it in irc either [16:55] <OriginalName> I dont give a fuck about your private behind closed doors shit [16:55] <syllogism> it's a channel with 15 people [16:55] <OriginalName> i want to see it [16:55] <syllogism> not exactly ideal [16:55] <youngminii> so you're showing it in your PMs to mig [16:55] <@Kurumi> I like turtles [16:55] <OriginalName> Because afaik your just sheeping [16:55] <syllogism> what am I sheeping, you still havent said [16:55] <OriginalName> Kurumi are you trying to troll me cause of WaW2? [16:55] <Lucidity> how is it more ideal to show to 1 person syllogism? [16:55] <Lucidity> lol [16:55] <OriginalName> ._. [16:55] <syllogism> all i've done is argue against bad logic by YM [16:55] <youngminii> wtf [16:56] <youngminii> you can't see what you're sheeping [16:56] <youngminii> oh my god [16:56] <syllogism> Lucidity: it's not one [16:56] <youngminii> oh my god [16:56] <youngminii> i can't [16:56] <youngminii> handle this [16:56] <@Kurumi> I am not trolling anyone [16:56] <@Kurumi> _^_ [16:56] <@Kurumi> I am hosting a game [16:56] <@Kurumi> this is serious [16:56] <@Kurumi> _^_ [16:56] <youngminii> syllogism's got to be the biggest troll [16:56] <OriginalName> ._. [16:56] <@Kurumi> but [16:56] <@Kurumi> what happened [16:56] <OriginalName> no [16:56] <OriginalName> the turtle things [16:56] <@Kurumi> I am not paying attention [16:56] <OriginalName> shit [16:56] <@Kurumi> aa [16:56] <@Kurumi> I just like turtles [16:56] <@Kurumi> _^_ [16:56] <OriginalName> mmk [16:56] <Lucidity> is it just me or does [16:56] <Lucidity> ( OriginalName ) So [16:56] <Lucidity> ( OriginalName ) are we down to Varpu/Lucidity [16:56] <Lucidity> 02,02 12,00 2302:125302.1234 02,02 02( OriginalName 02) for likely suspects? [16:56] <Lucidity> scream scum? [16:56] <OriginalName> because [16:56] <Lucidity> lol [16:56] <OriginalName> we want a solid lynch [16:56] <OriginalName> not just [16:56] <OriginalName> herp derp everyone off doing their own shit [16:57] <OriginalName> Dont even try that scum shit on me [16:57] <Lucidity> we're still 24 hours away from lynch [16:57] <OriginalName> so what [16:57] <OriginalName> we tookj [16:57] <OriginalName> 24 hours [16:57] <Lucidity> what possibly reason is there to start tunneling now [16:57] <Lucidity> haha [16:57] <OriginalName> to get that plan away [16:57] <OriginalName> its gonna take 24 hours [16:57] <youngminii> LOL [16:57] <OriginalName> to get our shit together [16:57] <syllogism> tunneling is fine if it creates discussion [16:57] <OriginalName> Im starting early [16:57] <DoctorHelvetica> no it doesnt scream scum lol [16:57] <Lucidity> That's just asking, "Hey guys, who are the 2 candidates I can tag on to without upsetting shit?" [16:57] <DoctorHelvetica> have you read [16:57] <DoctorHelvetica> vers town guide [16:57] <DoctorHelvetica> tunneling isnt a scumtell [16:57] <DoctorHelvetica> jesus [16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> town is more likely to do it than mafia [16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> mafia want to plays afe [16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> they go where the town goes [16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> has no reason to tunnel [16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> as long as mafia doesnt get lynched it doesnt matter lol [16:58] <OriginalName> And i cant tunnel as scum [16:58] <Lucidity> which is exactly what ON is doing? [16:58] <OriginalName> i tried it once [16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> what motivation would ON possibly have as scum [16:58] <Lucidity> roflll [16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> to tunnel you [16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> because youre bad [16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> if it was [16:58] <alanismorisette> wow after that syllo now looks redic scummy [16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> BC [16:58] <OriginalName> it fucking [16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> id understand [16:58] <OriginalName> failed [16:58] <Lucidity> I'm not saying he's tunneling he's scum [16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> what [16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> thats exactly what you said [16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> wow [16:58] <OriginalName> Lucidity [16:58] <Lucidity> I'm saying he's asking the town for 2 safe candidates [16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> lol [16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> jesus [16:58] <OriginalName> just [16:58] <OriginalName> just [16:58] <OriginalName> wow [16:58] <OriginalName> ffs [16:58] <Lucidity> ? [16:59] <OriginalName> No [16:59] <OriginalName> i give up [16:59] <@Kurumi> wanna a replacement [16:59] <@Kurumi> the next in the line is.. [16:59] <@Kurumi> Bill Murray [16:59] <OriginalName> no [16:59] <@Kurumi> so how about that? [16:59] <OriginalName> Im not a ragequit [16:59] <@Kurumi> kk whatever [16:59] <OriginalName> im giving up on explaining [16:59] <OriginalName> why I said that [16:59] <youngminii> if bm was next in line [16:59] <DoctorHelvetica> lucidity its normal if people have a suspicion to tunnel it [16:59] <Lucidity> You think we found the scum [17:00] <youngminii> i'd give my spot just to see him play [17:00] <youngminii> again [17:00] <DoctorHelvetica> because the towns goal is to kill a scum [17:00] <Lucidity> in those 2 candidates? [17:00] <DoctorHelvetica> if you think someone is scum [17:00] <DoctorHelvetica> you tunnel them lol [17:00] <DoctorHelvetica> thats the pro town thing to do [17:00] <OriginalName> i think those two candidates [17:00] <OriginalName> have the highest chances [17:00] <OriginalName> of being scum [17:00] <youngminii> i don't [17:00] <Lucidity> with so little info out [17:00] <OriginalName> From what i have deduced in the thread [17:00] <OriginalName> Ok then [17:00] <Lucidity> rofl [17:00] <DoctorHelvetica> there is a lot [17:00] <OriginalName> put more info in then [17:00] <DoctorHelvetica> to analyse [17:00] <DoctorHelvetica> already [17:00] <DoctorHelvetica> lol [17:00] <alanismorisette> wow@heist [17:00] <DoctorHelvetica> we dont have flip info [17:00] <DoctorHelvetica> but [17:00] <Lucidity> There is a lot more to analyse [17:00] <Lucidity> l [17:00] <Lucidity> o [17:00] <Lucidity> l [17:00] <OriginalName> Lucidity [17:00] <DoctorHelvetica> whats so funny [17:00] <OriginalName> The OMGUS from that [17:00] <OriginalName> doesnt help you [17:00] <DoctorHelvetica> you know what i would do if i ws mafia id say [17:00] <OriginalName> btw [17:01] <DoctorHelvetica> "ignore the day 1 discussion ther eis no info nothing to analyse move on lol" [17:01] <OriginalName> DrH is prob town [17:01] <OriginalName> YM is meh [17:01] <youngminii> ignore the day 1 discussion ther eis no info nothing to analyse move on lol [17:01] <Lucidity> OMGUS? [17:01] <OriginalName> I want to see more from BC [17:01] <OriginalName> oh my god you suck [17:01] <Lucidity> rofl [17:01] <OriginalName> someone accuses [17:01] <Lucidity> I know what it means [17:01] <OriginalName> then you shout back [17:01] <Lucidity> where did I do it? [17:01] <DoctorHelvetica> when you said on is scum after he said youre scum [17:01] <DoctorHelvetica> lol [17:01] <DoctorHelvetica> jesus [17:01] <Lucidity> no [17:01] <OriginalName> [16:56] <Lucidity> ( OriginalName ) So [17:01] <OriginalName> [16:56] <Lucidity> ( OriginalName ) are we down to Varpu/Lucidity [17:01] <OriginalName> [16:56] <Lucidity> ( OriginalName ) for likely suspects? [17:01] <OriginalName> [16:56] <Lucidity> scream scum? [17:01] <Lucidity> You're completely misrepresenting [17:02] <DoctorHelvetica> yes [17:02] <@Kurumi> hey guys, just do what Ace recommended in Mini [17:02] <DoctorHelvetica> that looks like omgus [17:02] <@Kurumi> RANDOM LYNCH [17:02] <Lucidity> It's scummy because he's asking the town for safe candidates [17:02] <@Kurumi> jk jk :3 play mafia [17:02] <Lucidity> not because i'm one of the 2 suspects [17:02] <Lucidity> rofl [17:02] <@Kurumi> now brb [17:02] <DoctorHelvetica> its not scummy hes seeing if people agree [17:02] <DoctorHelvetica> thats normal to do [17:02] * chaos13_ is now known as chaos13away [17:02] <DoctorHelvetica> no matter what side youre on [17:02] <OriginalName> Its called checking your work [17:02] <OriginalName> making sure im not completely off my rocker [17:02] <Lucidity> horseshit [17:02] <Lucidity> roofl [17:02] <OriginalName> ... [17:02] <OriginalName> fuck it [17:02] <Lucidity> what work? [17:02] <OriginalName> Lucid is soooooo scum [17:02] <Lucidity> You haven't posted anything [17:03] <OriginalName> ... [17:03] <OriginalName> oh [17:03] <OriginalName> my [17:03] <OriginalName> god [17:03] <OriginalName> ... [17:03] * OriginalName facedesks [17:03] * OriginalName facedesks [17:03] * OriginalName facedesks [17:03] * OriginalName facedesks [17:03] * OriginalName facedesks [17:03] * OriginalName facedesks [17:03] * OriginalName facedesks End of relevant conversation Im going to point out the arguement between Lucidity and Me. Take what you will from it, but I think hes definitly up there on the scum leaderboard. I already apologised for that on IRC. I thought you joined IRC and asked for 2 safe candidates. I didn't recognise your nick from the thread -.- | ||
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On August 03 2011 03:23 Varpulis wrote: I got called out for wishy washiness in PTP (day 1) as well. Day 1 nothing is solid, there's rarely anything to base arguments off of until late in the day, and I'm usually focused on proving my activity, not calling people scum. I haven't taken a stance because I don't have a really strong feeling about anybody yet. By the way, if we're going ahead with the plan, could we have a soldier/sniper claim? If there are none we need to reevaluate. | ||
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Someone who is also bugging me is Curu. In AA he was a very aggressive scum hunter. In here he has only commented on the plan and made some jokes. | ||
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On August 04 2011 01:44 Curu wrote: Varpulis is currently on pace to be modkilled. Consider letting him die because of that and finding someone else to hit with the lynch, we have a few hours. Is there some benefit to the town that this double lynch would accomplish that I'm missing? | ||
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On August 05 2011 10:37 Curu wrote: 18 out of 21 Players are alive. 15 out 17 Town aligned players are left. 3 out of 4 Mafia team are left. Mafia KP is #/2 rounded up. Mafia KP now is 2. Where Mafia KP is down. Durr. Anything above 2 KP = oh look he was right he's a Vig. Vig is easily self confirmable. TAA fakeclaiming Vig as scum is beyond stupid. This is quite obviously wrong. It doesn't prove that he's a Vig at all. It proves that there is A Vig out there. Does it have to be TAA because he claimed? No. I don't understand why you'd make that post though. Are you trying to push the case that it's a terrible move as scum? So that it looks unlikely that TAA is scum? The logic is too obviously wrong to be a mistake o_o Do Vets and targets who were med protected get notified when they are hit? Do players get notified if they are Role Blocked? Even if they are scouts? | ||
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On August 05 2011 10:42 OriginalName wrote: TAA is likely just an idiot townie, we had a long dissucssion on it. I highly reccommend you read both IRC logs i posted. Lucidity is my biggest scumread at the moment: Primarily because -Scum didnt try to really divert the wagon to him despite him having some votes in the middle of the day. -His reactions on IRC while could be being misrepresented say quite alot on the subject. -Keeps casting doubt on Mig despite his supposed role and all his actions during D1 (Which were quite Pro-town) I need to go over his posts one more time but it will probably be tommorrow when I have a clearer head, i sometimes find the need to step away from a game for a sec so when i come back i can reevaluate and maybe catch things i didnt find the day before etc. + Show Spoiler + [17:48] <BloodyC0bbler> i suddenly like [17:49] <BloodyC0bbler> your day 1 finger pointing [17:49] <BloodyC0bbler> at lucidity [17:49] <redFF1> :O [17:49] <BloodyC0bbler> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=249971¤tpage=8#156 [17:49] <BloodyC0bbler> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=249971¤tpage=29#569 [17:49] <redFF1> yeah [17:49] <BloodyC0bbler> keep in mind mig [17:49] <redFF1> i dont like him [17:49] <BloodyC0bbler> isnt 100% [17:49] <BloodyC0bbler> but [17:49] <redFF1> yeah [17:49] <redFF1> those 2 posts [17:49] <redFF1> contradict [17:49] <Lucidity> Mig is not a confirmed townie [17:49] <BloodyC0bbler> are very [17:49] <BloodyC0bbler> hes not [17:50] <BloodyC0bbler> but seriously dude [17:50] <Original|Laptop> Mig is very close to confirmed [17:50] <BloodyC0bbler> who the fuck [17:50] == Lucidity [~nnscript@Lucidity.users.quakenet.org] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] [17:50] <BloodyC0bbler> shoots trotske [17:50] <Original|Laptop> oh lol [17:50] <Original|Laptop> Lucid [17:50] <Original|Laptop> fucking leaves [17:50] <Original|Laptop> after he knows hes wrong [17:50] <BloodyC0bbler> rofl [17:50] <Drazerk> lol [17:50] <Original|Laptop> and grasping [17:50] <Original|Laptop> wow [17:50] <Original|Laptop> thats so sad [17:50] <BloodyC0bbler> "oh shit i got caught" [17:50] <Original|Laptop> I didnt like him before [17:50] <Original|Laptop> But im almost sure now [17:50] <Original|Laptop> Hes trying to cast doubt on Mig [17:50] <Kenpachi_> loool [17:51] <BloodyC0bbler> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=249971&user=86738 [17:51] <BloodyC0bbler> add in that [17:51] <BloodyC0bbler> he liked idea of day 2 confirmed [17:51] <BloodyC0bbler> townie [17:51] <BloodyC0bbler> -_- On August 05 2011 18:14 Barundar wrote: Mig is pretty clear town, he was already by night time for leading the varp lynch, and the missing kp in the day post just adds to that. I don't see a reason not to claim to him. I'm not sure why no one can see this, but Mig is not confirmed town. The only way to confirm your role is to shoot someone in the Day or to die. Mig hasn't done either. Yes he looks very pro town. No he isn't confirmed. I didn't ragequit IRC as is being suggested. This happened at approx 1am my time. I was tired and busy shutting down programs. I read the thread, I read a few lines on IRC. I replied and I quit. I didn't stay around, because I had plans of putting my head on my pillow, not arguing about Mig. I think my position has produced some interesting results at least. This is my first game with BC, but everyone always suggests that he is a Veteran and an amazing player. The way he reacted to my position suggests otherwise: [17:48] <BloodyC0bbler> i suddenly like [17:49] <BloodyC0bbler> your day 1 finger pointing [17:49] <BloodyC0bbler> at lucidity [17:49] <redFF1> :O [17:49] <BloodyC0bbler> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=249971¤tpage=8#156 [17:49] <BloodyC0bbler> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=249971¤tpage=29#569 Here he contrasts me being pro-confirming to a confirmed townie and being against it when it's Mig. This is a terrible comparison, because Mig isn't a confirmed townie. He's trying to show me contradicting myself by misrepresenting the situation. Essentially scum painting. [17:51] <BloodyC0bbler> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=249971&user=86738 [17:51] <BloodyC0bbler> add in that [17:51] <BloodyC0bbler> he liked idea of day 2 confirmed [17:51] <BloodyC0bbler> townie [17:51] <BloodyC0bbler> -_- Again, he's implying that I'm contradicting myself. I wasn't. A Day 2 confirmed townie is great. Mig isn't one of those. Why would such a great player make such silly mistakes? Now, I've had a slight uneasiness with Mig ever since he PMd me early on Day 1. + Show Spoiler + Original Message From Mig: Hey, I really like your observations and I agree with most of what you had said. Varp starts off with attempting to appear super pro town but shortly after he falls into making bland vague statements without taking any stands. Varp and chaos both attacked trotske and both had very poor reasoning behind their attacks. Along with that I think there were logic errors in both of their arguments against sand's plan. Definitely very suspicious of both of them, although chaos' post defending himself against syllo made him seem a bit more townie to me. Drh really not sure yet. I am not familiar enough with his meta. BC has said that Drh is fearless as scum and very willing to push mafia objectives openly. Where as when he is town he is a lot less sure of himself. So right now I would lean slightly scum but I really want to see him call some people out and see him do some scum hunting before I feel strongly one way or the other about him. Besides them I have been in contact with bc/sandro/curu/syllo I feel like at least one of them is very likely scum just from a balance perspective. Right now I would lean curu being scum because he hasn't been nearly as aggressive as he was in AA as town. However that is just an early suspicion. As you can see I made a very basic reply. He replied with, "I really like your observations!". To me that's not how a townie would react. It's almost as if he's trying to make me like him by complimenting a bland analysis, agreeing with what I had to say. This is something that scum does. They want you to like them. They want you to trust them. When two townies interact in PMs they are both suspicious of the other one. They don't try to have the other like them, because he could be scum. Obviously this doesn't make Mig scum, but it didn't sit well with me and I was wary of him ever since this exchange. In AA we had a similar scenario where Palmar effectively lynched scum on his own on Day 2. Many people hailed him as a confirmed townie and advocated a mass claim to him. Palmar turned out to be an anti-town role. Mig appears very pro-town at the moment, but he is not confirmed town. I don't like mass claiming to non-confirmed town. I have to ask though, why are people so keen to mass claim to him? If he is town, then we gain the benefit of an organised night. If Kenpachi's RB claim was real, then we also more than 4 Blue's most likely, which makes night organisation more useful. If Mig is red though, we lose every blue in the game? It's a gamble when we don't need to take one. I don't like it. TAA's claim is confusing. It's bad as either town or scum. While there are occasions where it is acceptable to lie as Town (RoL in AA for example. His plan was good and had the chance to work), this wasn't one of them. There was absolutely no pro-town outcome on the cards. Then again, I can't see the pro-scum outcome either? Other than possible confusion? But that's quite risky for minimal reward. It's fucked. If we don't find a real scum candidate (i.e. one who actually acted pro-red) we should turn to LAL. It has the added benefit of discouraging townies from lying in the future too. | ||
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On August 05 2011 22:27 Kurumi wrote: Everything is in the OP besides vets getting notified of losing lives. They are notified . Cool beans. | ||
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Sorry that was pro-claiming to a confirmed townie. | ||
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On August 06 2011 01:32 Curu wrote: Then there's only 2 KP in the night and he's not confirmed Vig. Herp. Not true. Another Vig could have killed a 3rd player. Scum/Vigs could hit a Vet/Med protected player etc. The fact is there are too many variables to confirm the player at night. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + 19:37.21 ( taa ) i think 19:37.27 ( taa ) chaos is the 4th scum 19:37.45 ( taa ) like 19:37.54 ( taa ) he tries to divert the votes to munk e 19:41.05 ( ON|AFK ) taa 19:41.07 ( ON|AFK ) wait till 19:41.10 ( ON|AFK ) jeejee flips 19:41.12 ( ON|AFK ) to speculate 19:41.14 ( ON|AFK ) on scum number 19:41.15 ( ON|AFK ) lol 19:41.17 ( taa ) ok 19:42.53 ( Lucidity ) I don't think any scum is under the illusion that the vote can jump to someone else 19:42.53 ( taa ) Wishy-washy doesn't even begin to explain this. He just won't make up his mind! While I'm not sure this indicates him 100% as being scum, it is VERY suspicious. Unfortunately however, I don't think it's possible to brand him as scum from JUST this. but he's certainly quite possibly scum. 19:43.00 ( Lucidity ) they're probably all on the bandwagon already 19:43.12 ( taa ) read that quote 19:43.13 ( taa ) lol 19:43.26 ( Lucidity ) Munk-E is mad scum 19:43.27 ( taa ) but he's certainly quite possibly scum. 19:43.33 ( Lucidity ) I was going to post chaos' analysis actually 19:43.43 ( Lucidity ) if JeeJee filps medic 19:43.49 ( alanismorisette ) yeah 19:43.51 ( Lucidity ) i think BC is scum 19:43.57 ( alanismorisette ) u guys are too set on lynching jeejee 19:44.05 ( alanismorisette ) Lucidity: if u think that why is ur vote on jeejee 19:44.11 ( Lucidity ) my vote is nowhere 19:44.14 ( Lucidity ) I haven't been here today 19:44.26 ( Lucidity ) I was just busy reading now 19:44.27 ( alanismorisette ) oh its not 19:44.29 ( alanismorisette ) k 19:45.01 ( Lucidity ) Munk-E was the much better candidate at the start of the day imo 19:45.07 ( Lucidity ) but JeeJee kind of dug his own grave 19:45.14 ( Lucidity ) culminating with his selfvote 19:45.23 ( Lucidity ) double you tea eff mate 19:46.00 ( Lucidity ) Why did Mig reveal the names of all the claimed medics? 19:46.06 ( Lucidity ) JeeJee was going to be lynched anyway 19:46.08 ( Lucidity ) there was no reason to 19:46.16 ( alanismorisette ) i guess he wants full disclosure 19:46.20 ( alanismorisette ) to town 19:46.22 ( alanismorisette ) ? 19:46.24 ( Lucidity ) But with the names out in the open, when the medics staart dying 19:46.32 ( alanismorisette ) Kurumi: 19:46.32 ( Lucidity ) he can say he wasn't the only one with access to the names Voted JeeJee. If he's really medic he fucked up big time. Also BC should be looked at if he does. Will post more during Night 2 if that happens. Munk-E is scummy scum scum. Basically I agree with the general vibe of chaos' post. | ||
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Why do we definitely have a DT? Explain the 2 greedy scouts or whatever. That sentence confused me. | ||
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Could someone please post the case against me in the thread? I keep seeing myself on scum lists and being called scummy, but I'm not entirely sure why. I'd like to clear up any misconceptions so that we can focus on real scum. I'll address the "cases" so far. On August 07 2011 08:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I find it very strange that no attention was put onto Lucidity when those bandwagons were split. JeeJee went onto Drazerk when Lucidity would have been the easier target for mafia. Both me and Mig felt very unsettled about that fact, I think a DT (if they exist) would be well fit to check Lucidity. YM is an unnecessary check, he's pretty damned as it is. I think the DT should throw their check on Lucidity or Munk-E at this point. JeeJee was fucked right off the bat and now it's clear the mafia tried to get behind BC on lynching Draz. If I'm DT I check Lucidity tonight. That's my advice. JeeJee went to Drazerk, while Varpulis went to me. We only have 2 confirmed scum and they did different things. I'm not sure why I would have been the easier target for Mafia? From what I can see the case against me and Drazerk at that point was the same (voting for redFF), but Drazerk went lurker mode at that point, while I was still active. Drazerk would be the scummier one then? Also note Munk-E tagging on to the Varp wagon at the end when there was no way to change the outcome anymore. He didn't even want to vote for Varp as he found me more scummy........ On August 05 2011 07:58 Munk-E wrote: Lucidity analysis! this first post is very VERY for the plan to the point that he immediately calls scum on people for it. They both later attacked him for this, and Redff even voted to lynch him. I think he is WAY to for the plan here without even considering the consequences. It seems scummy to me to pressure people that disagree with you. Here DH is defending himself from lucidity's aggressiveness quite well, however he just continues to press the issue. He is still calling scum for having a different opinion here. He would give an arm and a leg for this plan it seems at this point. Here he votes for redFF (But doesn't actually vote for him). I find it strange that he's THIS passionate this early on in the game! I mean seriously WTF? He is given A LOT of reasons why the plan is dumb, but he refuses to hear it! He just keeps accusing! By this point, most people were against the plan. Yeah... I'm not sure how much I buy that defense of "Oops, klutzy me! I thought there'd be more medics!" as an excuse to completely change his mind from "This plan is so good that everyone against it is obviously scum" to. "This plan is stupid!" This is the scummiest post I think he's made. I mean it would be hard to make that transition, and it losing popularity requires you to if your against it so hard and you want to be in the majority. and why would you want to be in the majority so bad? If you're scum. This post astonished me. At first i thought since he voted for varp after it was the bandwagony thing to do. However, if you look at the time, at the time of this post Varp only had 2 votes for him from a while ago. This post sort of STARTS the bandwagon on varp! I don't know if this was intentional or not, but WTF! Up until now I was sure lucidity was scum, but this makes me wonder! Here he is completely against the plan now. He was so for it at first and now is completely against it. He even states that no one is for it anymore. His backing of the plan is directly proportional to it's overall popularity. He just wants to blend in, like a chameleon that works for the mafia. In the end, I just don't know! He's VERY scummy with his bandwagon hopping when it comes to the plan, and sure he only voted varp after the bandwagon was rolling, but he was in second and might have done that to avoid being lynched, not to seem inconspicuous.if varp had flipped town, i would think he'd definitely be mafia, but he started a bandwagon on varp, it may be accidental for all i know and he was just trying to distance himself, but it seems strange that he would do this. P.S. sorry about not talking at night i didn't know it was a rule. I think the main issue with this analysis is that of misconceptions. [b]1) I'm scummy for attacking anyone who opposed the plan This isn't really true. Go look at my posts. I pointed out BAD reasons for opposing the plan. At that point in the game I thought the plan was good, so I thought anyone against it for bad reasons was suspicious. drH had some epically bad reasons mixed in with valid ones. redFF only had bad ones and later parroted other people's valid concerns. From my perspective I thought scum was trying to stop a good plan. 2) I only changed my view only because popular opinion changed I'm not sure the plan was scrapped at that point, but even if it was, I didn't change opinion randomly for no reason. If you look at the post just above mine, it points out there that more than 4 Blue roles is unlikely. Up until that point I had it in my head that all the roles mentioned were in the game, possibly multiple medics too. Looking back that seems a little silly in a game of 20 players, but yeah. At that point the benefits of the plan basically reduced to organizing 2/3 blue actions at night and with no way to report on it the following day. That wasn't worth it. The last quote you site where I am against the plan and "a chameleon" is just a complete misrepresentation. If you read it properly again you'll notice that I am addressing certain players. drH/YM etc were whining non-stop on IRC and in the thread about this plan being useless etc etc, but they weren't discussing things they thought were worthwhile. So I called them out on it. Essentially they were wasting time and acting in a way scum would be - wasting time when they know they are and there is no reason to. The post had nothing to do with my views on the plan as you suggested. I hope that clears things up. | ||
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That lynch proved that one of the other Vet claims in the Mig group is false though. | ||
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The only thing that worries me atm is that there could be 5 Vets. I know I'm one (and you'll find out in a day or two), which would mean that at least 1 of that group of yours is lying. But surely scum wouldn't have 2 fake Vet claims? So we probably have 5 Vets. That seems like too many. | ||
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14:41.37 ( Kurumi ) finally 14:41.37 ( Kurumi ) finally 14:41.37 ( Kurumi ) finally 14:41.37 ( Kurumi ) finally 14:41.37 ( Kurumi ) finally 14:41.37 ( Kurumi ) finally 14:41.37 ( Kurumi ) finally 14:41.37 ( Kurumi ) finally 14:41.37 ( Kurumi ) finally 14:41.37 ( Kurumi ) finally | ||
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NO YES NO YES NO YES HAVE TO BE girl! But our great city did not agree with the thesis that preaching młodymałyy. So our brave heroes took hammers, pitchforks, axes and other tools to peaceful negotiations. After a while our młodymałyy was dead in pieces, oh no! In the meantime, our team saw evil jabola cheap at the shop. True DżejDżej and Warrrpoolis no longer alive (well, peace negotiations have different endings, duh). And so another drug addict is not dead! Młodymałyy not because pedonecroskałt Sobieski was killed! Have a good translation of bystrzaki two pennies = PA, here there are no clues, so do not you breathe Make the people in your farmer's murder, which still have to pull rozpieprzone nostrils snuff, glue and asbestos. Listen Read phonetically Rate translation | ||
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On August 09 2011 13:09 OriginalName wrote: Lucidity: Backs mafia plan, when reasonable evidence is posed against it trys to keep it moving by antagonizing DrH. As soon as he realizes its not going through posts a lame excuse to his change of heart. Keeps on pushing Red after a somewhat decent analysis is posted on him. (Red was Town btw). TRYS TO STYM IN THREAD DISSCUSSION. Sheeping. I point back to D2. Uses past games as reasons and he slips through again. HOLY SHIT SHEEP MORE. Fakeclaim moar. I find Lucid Scummy. I can't tell if this is a joke or not... If you're being serious I'll reply to it. Please let me know. | ||
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Filter Drazerk's posts. It doesn't even make up one page and most of it is 1 liner spam. He claimed that his lurking on Day 1 was part of a plan to trap the scum (no one confirmed this?), but he hasn't changed his behaviour since then either. He hasn't been AFK the whole time, he is literally lurking. He should be high on the list of lynch candidates. A lurky scum would complement an active fake claim Vet-scum too. | ||
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As for chaos being scummy for posting Munk-E's case... On August 06 2011 10:40 chaos13 wrote:I'll write up a case on Munk-E later tonight once I've had supper since I still think he's scum, but JJ here is a better lynch today. ##Vote: JeeJee ? | ||
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Why is it scummy that he posted the analysis on the day JeeJee got lynched? | ||
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I don't disagree with chaos as a candidate. The reason you stated for voting for him is off though. chaos voted for JeeJee. He posted the case on Munk-E for the following day/discussion. Would you prefer that we sit in silence as soon as the lynch candidate has been agreed upon? There are many other reasons to find chaos scummy, but you chose one that is objectively wrong. Either you just didn't read the thread properly or you're reading it with inherent scum bias and you're having trouble scumpainting. | ||
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What BC says about syllo is true though. He also only became active when he was called scummy by players on IRC. And what happened to drH -.- (If drazerk and Kenpachi end up being scum I will shoot myself) | ||
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You did not kill chaos13 without trial and legal! What kind of society we live in where the majority can vote to suspend innocent citizens with no other weapon than to their own conscience and fear. But there is at least somewhat funny chaos13 be hung, because he was not as clean conscience and other good men that you have attached I am happy to inform you of an autopsy revealed that chaos13 was part of an international crime identifying acquisitions that have no other goal than to murka lives of innocent civilians. You know the sequel, please send me Kurumi all the games you intend to play tonight. So he was Mafia? Awesome ;D | ||
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On August 12 2011 17:32 Barundar wrote: Kenpachi voted chaos13 yesterday when there was a wagon forming on you. Lucid never vote, and was complaining at votes stacking up on chaos13. Sorry but that seems like the best lynch today for me. You're kidding right? I never complained about votes stacking up on chaos13. I complained about you HAMMERING when there was still a full day left. That is also why I hadn't voted yet. I was waiting for the end of the day. I never defended chaos on IRC or the thread. Where are you and Sevryn getting this from? I didn't like Sevryn's reason for voting chaos at all. I thought he was trying to scumpaint. BC actually attempted to lynch syllo instead of chaos13 and made a case for it. But you ignore that? Wtf. As for Kenpachi, I don't think sandroba was in the game long enough to make any accurate judgment about his alignment. While we have to lynch him before LyLo, we're not at LyLo yet. I'd rather lynch someone who I think is scum at this point, which would be BC. Followed by syllo -.- | ||
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##Vote Kenpachi Come defend yourself son. | ||
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WP syllo on convincing us that you were right. | ||
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