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On July 25 2011 08:38 heist wrote: wait is there a secret button for 'ctrl+alt+delete' too? and lol Ctrl + alt + backspace brings up task manager directly (nobody cares about the other crap that comes up when you do ctrl + alt + delete). | ||
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On July 25 2011 09:31 Tackster wrote: LOL @ COMPLETE FAKERY Also det checks > night kills??? Not likely.. Clearly you have not played with Drazerk yet. He has a new fake claim at the start of every cycle. | ||
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Blue hunting isn't really a scumtell this game IMO. Because everyone is blue. Beware though, seemingly Town roles can be given to Mafia/3rd and vice versa. Secret alignment is probably Cult. sandroba, how effective was your plan last game? And what are its merits? I ask because we can still do it if it's OP. Everyone will suffer the penalties ergo Mafia/3rds hurt just as much as Town does. Only complication is if Mafia picked roles for some of their own buddies they can fake who they picked for. | ||
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It's a day 1 plan so that's hardly applicable. It would be nice for Town since Mafia can freely talk about the roles they've picked I assume as it's in their QT and not in the thread. But I don't know if it's worth the shitstorm sandroba, since we don't know what the penalties are. I know the one I made up for sure would hurt Town more than Mafia. @yongminii I don't understand the point of your thing at all. Your role picker already fully knows what your role is, what use is hinting at your role to them going to do? Unless you want to subtly tell them what you're planning to do with your role, but you have no assurance that they are Town. | ||
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One idea: everyone can claim their own roles. That doesn't activate the penalty AFAIK. Then if anyone lies at all then their role creator can call them out. This allows us to coordinate everyone's powers and dissenters can be lynched. Effectively we can coordinate everyone's actions and avoid hero syndrome or people using their powers in an Anti Town way (can also somewhat cripple the Mafia's powers). The only weakness I can see is that it lets the Mafia pick and choose their targets among who has the most powerful roles. However, they already know many of the roles of Town (the ones they themselves created) so it's not all that debilitating. Thoughts? | ||
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If a DT finds himself roleblocked all the time then we know who the roleblockers are and can narrow down the suspect. It's basically operating under full disclosure and I don't see how that benefits anti Town more than Town. @Tackster EVERYONE is a power role, why does that matter? @redFF Derp read the thread, deconduo just explicitly said role claiming does not activate the penalties. | ||
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Don't give that blue sniping BS, every Townie is a blue this game and Mafia already know what several of the powers are. Pure simple DT-type roles are also very unlikely considering deconduo encouraged interesting and whacky ones. | ||
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OriginalName's role line is quite interesting: You are Voldemort, and you are on a mission to kill Harry Potter and keep him from uniting the three Deathly Hallows. Each item you or Harry Potter obtain will grant the holder a power, but unfortunately you can only use one item per night. Is this just fluff or was it part of his win condition? From Jackal's PM: Be aware-- Voldemort has disguised himself as a member of the town and is trying to collect the items, same as you! This seems really odd, why would the PM give any indication to Voldemort's alignment? It certainly didn't in OriginalName's. It's also worded ambiguously enough that were Voldemort to flip Town Jackal isn't damned right off the bat, but I really really doubt any original role PM would have any indication of another player's alignment. It really doesn't make sense for Harry to be Mafia IMO since Voldemort's additional win condition (if that part wasn't just flavour in ON's role PM) would then just be the same as the normal Town win condition anyways. This leads me to believe Jackal is Town or 3rd Party, with a much heavier lean towards 3rd Party. More speculation: if Jackal is Mafia then I think we can assume that everyone who has a Hallow is either Town or 3rd party. It would make no sense to have a Mafia aligned player have one of those items since they'd just immediately pass it to Jackal. Actually even if Jackal wasn't Mafia I think it'd be unlikely they'd give them to Mafia or 3rd Party since they have no reason to pass it around to benefit people they know are not allied with them. I wouldn't use it to paint people as absolute confirmed Town but I think it adds Town cred. It sucks that we don't know what happens to these items when people die because that might be a justification for Mafia to have one of these items but still I highly doubt it since they can just pass it around themselves when in danger of lynch. I doubt youngminii is Mafia, he played exactly like this as Town in WaW2. Give him a KP he can use and he will fling it around at the smallest reason. In AA where he actually was scum he was much less rash although his opinion did change around ADHD style. He's doing very valid analysis too at the moment, which was sorely missing from AA. kitaman's posting a whole bunch of one liner nothings, please share some more of your thoughts kita. | ||
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I still think he's a 3rd Party though, so unless something better comes up I'm all for lynching him. | ||
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It has nothing to do with randomization unless two people decided to make their roles together. dec stated he doesn't want any role organization plans or w/e so I think it's most certainly dec's creation. Then again I don't understand how they are exactly identical roles and the decision to place Hallows around, since Jackal claimed he has a Mason-type role and that was what ON's was too. The possibilities I see are: 1) Two people decided they wanted to put Harry/Voldy in the game and collaborated together to do so (against dec's urging not to) 2) Dec created two roles for people by himself (???) 3) Dec took two roles that were Mason roles and decided to add onto them himself I highly, highly doubt someone just decided to put it into their role to kill Harry Potter as he can't even know Harry Potter would be in the game. I'm almost certain this is dec's doing, and if so then what I am saying makes sense. | ||
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No picking plans I don't want this game to revolve around a super pre-defined picking strategy. If you want to ask for advice in the thread thats fine, but ultimately pick roles that you think would lead to a fun, interesting game. This was in your OP, does this mean you expressly forbid people to collaborate together to make their roles? | ||
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 .I don't see what Wiggles's issue is, can you clarify that for me Wiggles? What I said about the Hallows makes sense IMO since pure randomization really defeats the purpose of having the Hallows game sine you'd ensure they'd never be given away if they randomized into the hands of Mafia or malicious 3rd Party. Win conditions are surely not made up by the players themselves so I don't think dec would have put in an extra win condition for Voldy then made it a redundant one. @Foolishness It's already generating discussion. What behavior do we have to go off of atm? @Tackster I didn't say a thing about Jackal's claim being well founded. Can you point out to me where I ever said Jackal's claim is legit and I don't want to lynch him? All I said was I think he's 3rd Party rather than Mafia but that makes a good lynch too. And did you even bother to read OriginalName's role PM? He chooses people to Mason that changes each day, he doesn't start the game Masoned with a set someone. | ||
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As for the thing about Voldemort, I think my post most clearly pointed out that I doubt it's legit because it doesn't make sense for any hint at player alignment to be in a role PM. | ||
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I don't think you've read my posts at all because this: Or that Jackal is red because he lied about voldy 'hiding in town' yet when potter says he need to kill voldy that's just flavour text and he's really a mason. Makes no sense to me at all. Why do I have no reason to suspect Potter is non-green if he's a Mason? He gets to CHOOSE one person to Mason each cycle and then picks a new one after, this is no way shape or form any indication of green-ness. I'm so confused about what you are trying to say. | ||
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Clear? I also did not assume Voldy's role PM to kill Harry was flavour. I said it might be, and if isn't then it doesn't make sense for Harry to be Mafia because that's a completely redundant win condition. Clear? I did not say it's weird for them to be the same alignment. I said it'd be weird of them to be Town-Mafia, and ON is certainly Town. I said it's possible they're both Town. I think Jackal is a 3rd because I think that he made up part of his role PM cause it didn't make sense to have anything hinting at alignment in his PM. Clear? | ||
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Anyways let's just discontinue this train of thought because it hinges on ON having a separate win condition (we have no way to know) and that there would be no redundancy in win conditions (we have no way to know). I understand what you're saying now Tackster but the reason I think Jackal's is a lie is because having an indication of alignment in a role PM is really nonsensical. Flavour is supposed to be flavour, having a straight up thing about someone else's alignment in your role PM actually affects the game. Again we have no way to verify whether ON's thing was flavour or an actual win condition because his death didn't reveal that. | ||
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DropBear's version is clearly not right (not saying he's lying, just that it was modified by host). Tackster copied supersoft's role but we didn't get any PM when Tackster killed YM. It makes no sense for supersoft to be Mafia because if he was, he would just claim that yes he did kill YM and could provide his reasoning for it. Tackster goes safe, supersoft probably goes safe too, he had no reason to shoot Tackster if he was Mafia. If he's a 3rd then putting an alignment check in his hands, who gives a crap? BloodyCobbler, WHY ARE YOU ARGUING AGAINST AN ALIGNMENT CHECK? The only people this hurts are Mafia and 3rd Parties. Why does Town care if they get checked and it reveals Town? Because it makes them confirmed Town so they must die? LOOOOOL. So not having confirmed Towns is somehow better than having confirmed Towns? It's not like confirming someone gives Mafia an extra KP that they can use just to kill that person. And yes, we DO control the power because we pick who quotes supersoft. Refuse and you get lynched and the next suspect quotes him, it doesn't create a clusterfuck in any way. People are not volunteering to be checked, we are making them get checked. I don't see any way you can reasonably not want to have a free alignment check if you are Town. ALSO: Other Rules No VI type roles. No post restrictions. These might seem amausing but are just irritating to deal with. Role that rely on randomness or coin tosses should be avoided if possible, but aren't banned. dec, does this mean there are no natural post restrictions in this game? Natural as in not-penalty Let's look at all the people flying under the radar too under disguise of this shitstorm and not contributing any opinions. Nisani201 Drazerk Mr. Wiggles ketomai Foolishness - actually here but being useless Mig Lanaia What are your thoughts about recent events? ##Vote: BloodyC0bbler | ||
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On July 26 2011 05:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote: In a normal game, on day 1, if someone claimed dt and said x was red, I would kill the dt first. Every time. In a setup where mafia, third parties, or town can be a dt, I will never trust the claimant ever on day 1. Nor should anyone else. Difference in a normal game scenario, DT is willingly outing himself to buy Town cred. supersoft was forced out and as I explained in my above post there's very little chance he's Mafia unless he is actively trying to hurt his team. If he's a 3rd Party then he has no reason to lie about his alignment checks anyways, since if he lies we kill him. You're arguing about relying on behavior analysis and not powers to find scum and it's true but in a game where everyone is a friggin blue role it'd be absurd to ignore powers especially one as heavily Pro Town as a DT alignment check. | ||
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On July 26 2011 05:53 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Also, what are you talking about Curu, are you posting without reading the thread completely? I'm embroiled in an argument with BC about whether to use the DT check or not (We should), and I called out DB for being mafia for not suffering a penalty for revealing SS' role. As well, lynching Jackal just because of his role is incredibly dumb. Sorry bra, my mistake <3. | ||
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It's a Pro Town power because it massively helps Town and very minimally hurts it. We are not saying he's very likely/confirmed Town because of his power. We are saying it because: It makes no sense for supersoft to be Mafia because if he was, he would just claim that yes he did kill YM and could provide his reasoning for it. Tackster goes safe, supersoft probably goes safe too, he had no reason to shoot Tackster if he was Mafia. If he's a 3rd then putting an alignment check in his hands, who gives a crap? You yourself agreed he is likely Town (but that it doesn't mean confirmed Town, which is right). Well, why so vehement against a likely Town player using his free DT power and giving us information? On the offchance that he's going to lie as 3rd Party (3rd Parties have no reason to lie about the alignment check, as he would get killed the instant he is caught lying) or the teeny tiny chance he's Mafia? And yes he was forced out but if he was Mafia then when forced out he would merely have just said yeah I shot YM cause I thought he was scum, my mistake sorry guys instead of willingly revealing that he wasn't the one and then shooting Tackster. There's no reason not to use his power. I would much rather have BC checked at this point unless you guys are up for lynching him. | ||
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We as town cannot trust his checks fully, but third party or mafia can. They get far more information from a check than we as a town do. They can fire their shots based on his checks, etc... Stacking hits is a normal strategy, they know who to rb, etc.... We are giving freebie shots to non town groups based on his checks if he is in fact town. If he is third party doesn't matter much other than it builds him credibility to live, and as red again builds credibility to live. This is just ridiculous. Mafia gets more info from an alignment check than we do? Mafia knows everyone's alignments (in terms of Mafia vs not Mafia) anyways. How is supersoft pointing at someone and saying he is Town giving Mafia information? Herp derp, they knew that already. Unless you're somehow convinced Mafia getting 3rd Party alignments will lose the game for Town. "If he is SK he will most likely out the reds" Yep, that's the whole point of us wanting to use his ability. Point out reds. If we're in a position where we can't trust his checks, ie he's Mafia, then Mafia isn't getting anything from his checks either because they know it's BS. Mafia shooting YM pretty much shows how afraid they are of alignment checks and BC is falling right into it. Please people, lynch BC. | ||
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On July 26 2011 06:29 Foolishness wrote: Wiggles is probably an SK. Lanaia does not  seeM to be posting with a pro-town state of mind.What. Why do you think Wiggles is an SK? You pointed out yourself that you don't like people who don't do behavioral analysis because they're lazy, can you enlighten us with your thoughts? | ||
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BC, would you submit to having supersoft check you? | ||
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Check the bolded part. In almost every case of someone asking or begging for a dt check they are town or covered role. I guess you don't fall into that category. Acting scummy and Anti Town is less likely to get you killed than being confirmed Town. Hmm. On July 26 2011 03:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Check me and laugh. Whoever dt checks will laugh almost as hard as i cringed at my role. You're so open to being checked here when you were in no real danger of being checked. On July 26 2011 04:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Super soft is likely not red as he killed a red, you are correct. Confirm that supersoft is likely not red yet unwilling to let him use his check for some farfetched reasons. We're lynching BC today folks. | ||
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You said the exact same thing I said in WaW2 to sandroba as scum rofl. Nice gambit, worked for me there, I hope it won't work for you here. The only reason you would say that unless you think I am 100% scum is to save yourself. | ||
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On July 26 2011 06:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Because then I do die tonight. See I have this thing called self preservation and when I get confirmed as green by your magic dt, I get shot. As mafia / sks will want a confirmed BC dead and an angry town vig who thinks im a gf, or some other scum flavoured role immune to alignment checks will shoot me. The check only makes sure I die. So then if you're shot we know supersoft is legit. Because if Mafia is trusting his claims then they must be legit. You wanna pull out another WIFOM argument? You think I'm scum BC? What about everyone else who has disagreed with your faulty reasoning? | ||
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Do you think I'm scum? | ||
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If you don't think I'm scum then there's no possible Pro Town reason for proposing your bet besides to shake pressure off yourself by making yourself appear willing to die. I know your thought process, I did this exact same thing to sandroba. Why are you so sure getting yourself checked by supersoft will get you killed? You yourself said that behavioral analysis rather than power is far more important, so by your logic scum would much rather kill the most effective scum hunters rather than someone who was "cleared' by a completely unreliable (in your words) power. You don't want supersoft to use his power because we can't rely on it, but you also don't want supersoft to use his power because it will confirm someone as Town for Mafia to kill? Your ideas are completely contradictory. I stand by my read that you are the best lynch today. If you really want to promote the atmosphere that Town should never try to lynch unless they are 100% sure the person is guilty, then we sit on our asses waiting for DTs to win the game for us (oh hey, but you don't want the confirmed DT to use his power either). Should we just no lynch every day then? | ||
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kita I would want to see him post more first but I wouldn't be against lynching him if I can't get a BC wagon to form. BC is so against having a DT check someone that we choose (we can even just not use his checks until after he dies, then use them) at no cost except providing extra information that I have to think he has an ulterior motive. | ||
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If we want to enforce this check, then we lynch anyone who refuses to do it. Remember that people we want checked are people that we probably want lynched too. | ||
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O hi there hypocrite. | ||
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I notice your vote is on Jackal, do you mind giving your reasons? | ||
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So do you feel strongly enough about lynching Jackal that you'll be a Vig hit or next lynch if he flips green? Because you think he lied about his role PM. That's your conviction for starting the wagon on him? And to answer your own question, no one defended redFF in your own game and he turned out scum. | ||
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The only doubt I have right now is I now see Jackal as equally as good of a lynch because he has been useless since coming in (and pulling the same martyr bullshit you are to get out of telling us anything if we lynch him) and his vote fell to you as the easy way to get himself out of a lynch. But unless this is some bizarre bus, that means you are both Town or one red one green. Palmar, his reasoning is that supersoft did that to buy Town cred because Mafia acting against Mafia's best interests is the best way to hide that you're Mafia. I explained why supersoft is almost certainly Town but BC's counter was a convoluted WIFOM claim. And if he's 3rd he has no reason to lie, therefore his check is trustworthy unless he's insane/paranoid or something (which I highly doubt). I can't get behind that plan sandroba. Drazerk is useless and trolling (Kurumi is too, what's to differentiate between the two?) but Jackal is equally useless and BC is scummier than both to me. If we want to consider Drazerk I want to do it next day. | ||
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And no, people were suspecting YM. supersoft could easily have cleared himself by saying he thought YM was scum, I doubt he would have been lynched for it. And in any case, 100% chance of losing a Mafia (Tackster) and still having the lynch open vs less than 100% chance of losing a Mafia (if supersoft was Mafia, and no guarantee supersoft would have been lynched) and tying up the lynch, it's obvious that supersoft acted with only Pro Town intentions. If you were so willing to believe Fishball was Town because of some Meta reasons (oh when he's not Town then he kills me) then I can't see any reason you can't believe supersoft is Town for much more solid reasons. My vote's staying on BC. Your OMGUS (Vigs kill everyone who is voting for me) doesn't help. | ||
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In any case I think this matter is closed, talking with BC is going nowhere. He is my preferred lynch target for today. Lots of people not posting at all during the massive BC argument and still not posting. | ||
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If we lynch him and Jackal flips Town I'd like the pressure back on BC. | ||
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##Unvote: BloodyC0bbler ##Vote: Jackal58 | ||
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Jackal has done nothing and voted BC with no analysis, which I take as a sign that he's just using his vote to try to save himself. | ||
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All back aboard the BC train! | ||
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It really makes no sense to me if supersoft is Mafia because he did kill one of his buddies with no reason to. | ||
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SUPER you ABSOLUTELY 100% checked BC right? You aren't faking it? | ||
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YM got a super Jack with a day and night kill and BC gets a neutered Tracker/Watcher. I feel for you bro. | ||
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syllo you know Foolishness's role? | ||
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Nisani is completely useless every game sandroba. He's the most unreadable player because he appears scummy as hell/lurkery as hell every game he's in regardless of side. So if you want to shoot someone who is a guaranteed lurker or prime mislynch fodder if he's Town, then by all means Nisani is fair game. | ||
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On July 25 2011 23:20 Tackster wrote: I honestly believe that the 'disguise' in Jackals role PM was simply a misuse of the word and intended for effect. Seeing as we all assumed that Voldemort would be a red or black role the mods probably wanted to point out the possibility of a green Voldemort by saying he disguised himself as town. Probably they meant to say he's converted to town or established himself as town. The Potter and Voldy roles were obviously a creation of the mods. Like they said they take a role and 'change' it. In this case they took a role and duplicated it - probably because there were 2 existing roles too alike. I believe the above to be the case. In general I am for a Jackal lynch as policy. However as this time the ONLY thing we have to go on is a disagreement over the meaning of disguised I suggest we delay in our actions until later on. There was no lie here. I suggest YM, heist and kita as possible targets. I am not feeling comfortable with a sandroba lynch. We can simply check jackal tonight. If he's town we have +1 KP, if not no losses - he's a powerless mafia, a confirmed SK or some weird 3rd party shite I hardly believe could be the case. **rant over** On July 25 2011 16:00 Tackster wrote: Well in fairness I can't see the problem with your response either so I suppose my scumhunt has failed... Onto my next victim! And by the way - I'm basically in agreement with the statement you just made. I would go so far as to say there is probably an anti-town in the group of Jackal, Heist and YM - but in general on day one i still prefer to lynch someone i can't analyse rather than someone active. On July 25 2011 17:58 Tackster wrote: I just noticed - people are voting in the voting thread without posting in the forum! Tsk tsk tsk - does this have to be explained every time? notify us of votes here too please or i will scold you severely! On July 25 2011 23:24 Tackster wrote: Oh and to explain my target choices: YM - That vig shot was just awful and to cover yourself with 'mafia would never do this' is pure drivel Heist - You seemed too into the item game from the start and seemed to be breadcrumbing you had an item or were harry (not scummy but close to lying IMO) kita - this has been explained at length. Lurk much? On July 26 2011 00:28 Tackster wrote: Suspects: Kitaman Jackal heist sandroba YM (dead) If Jackal is mafia this is an EXTREME wifom... But if Kita is mafia this is stupid too. It has to be a stupid shot whether or not we did it or maf did it.. Did YM mention who he was going to check tonight? I've never played with Tackster before, is he one to bus teammates at all? | ||
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If there's a reason you're trolling hard like this and want us to help you, can you just post your role PM? | ||
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Does your check reveal alignment too? | ||
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) but you're obviously one of the most active here and you have no fear of getting shot (or if you are shot as Town, then Town loses a weak as hell role).If you're Mafia and got that role...lol I feel sorry for you. | ||
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Also, this puts Tackster's quoted posts into much clearer context IMO. I'd still like to know if anyone's played with him previously. | ||
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Why Amber? He was advocating we lynch Jackal instead of BC. | ||
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On July 28 2011 05:40 Kurumi wrote: People who will die tonight: Mr. Wiggles chaos13 Foolishness One of the DT checks will return guilty, the other one will tell innocent Gambler will roll 2 Lanaia will ask me for a date I will survive I know for a fact two of the people on your list had night actions done to them. | ||
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sandroba and heist, can you pass me your two items? I'll give them right back, just want to make sure you both still have them. | ||
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I'm still a bit iffy on how you knew that it has no recipient message though heist, have you been passing this thing around already? | ||
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Also please answer sandroba's question Foolishness. I'm still feeling the Nisani lynch but like I said every single game I'm in I find him scummy regardless of his alignment. Maybe a better Vig shot. | ||
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Still, the only way it makes sense for sandroba to be scum is if neither him nor Jackal talked to each other about their role PMs before coming into the thread, which I somewhat doubt. Also chaos, please explain this to me: [QUOTE]On July 25 2011 14:52 chaos13 wrote: [QUOTE]On July 25 2011 14:43 Curu wrote: OT: What gets me is that even if he is mafia, Jackal would have no reason to include a false statement in his claim. He's a good enough player that I'm sure he would be able to get ON lynched based on the simple premise of "Voldemort = scum". As I mentioned before though, we're discussing lynching someone based on role claims. There's a whole lot of WIFOM going on here, and that's just not good. Vote based on analysis rather than roles. We have a confirmed role PM from decon on Voldy. We have a claim from Jackal that is quite similar, except for some minor differences. So Jackal is almost assuredly not lying about his role claim. Why then, would he include a false statement? Even as mafia, why? That's the thing that isn't making sense to me here. I think what needs to be done is examine the behavior rather than the claims. I'm with DropBear. I can understand why you're coming from this angle, but the evidence isn't enough to sell me. Decon, are you able to clarify whether these roles are made by players or made by you? Once he comes in and answers that question we can bring the topic up again. Until then I suggest we stop basing arguments on WIFOM and contribute something of more substance.[/QUOTE] | ||
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On July 25 2011 14:52 chaos13 wrote: As I mentioned before though, we're discussing lynching someone based on role claims. There's a whole lot of WIFOM going on here, and that's just not good. Vote based on analysis rather than roles. We have a confirmed role PM from decon on Voldy. We have a claim from Jackal that is quite similar, except for some minor differences. So Jackal is almost assuredly not lying about his role claim. Why then, would he include a false statement? Even as mafia, why? That's the thing that isn't making sense to me here. I think what needs to be done is examine the behavior rather than the claims. I'm with DropBear. I can understand why you're coming from this angle, but the evidence isn't enough to sell me. Decon, are you able to clarify whether these roles are made by players or made by you? Once he comes in and answers that question we can bring the topic up again. Until then I suggest we stop basing arguments on WIFOM and contribute something of more substance. | ||
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On July 25 2011 17:23 syllogism wrote: It makes no sense for mafia to fake role PM like that as it could only lead to town lynching ON and confirming his alignment. I'm more inclined to believe the whole alignment thing in the PM is a red herring or that he is third party. Weren't you saying the exact same thing? Your quote there pretty much mirrors Syllogism's, just in many more words. | ||
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Foolishness could not have been roleblocked by Mafia. The only power he was softclaiming in the thread was Veteran, and if Mafia were to roleblock him it makes no sense for them not to shoot him too. Also LOL: On July 28 2011 23:47 sandroba wrote: I really think we should ignore the penalties and claim whoever we made the roles for. This creates acountability and will make it easier to identify mafia acording to the actions so far. Is everyone in favor of this? This is exactly what I said Day 1 and Jackal (the scum) called me scum for it and everyone else thought it was a terribad idea too. Going to look over chaos and Foolishness now, if ANYONE can in any way, shape, or form somehow form a read on Nisani please do so. | ||
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His day 1 contribution consisted of randomly offered lynch targets with no desire to push or analyze any of them. Two of these have flipped Town already: On July 26 2011 20:34 Foolishness wrote: Wiggles is a serial Killer, Lanaia and RedFF are good lynches but are sadly not going to get lynched. People are incapable of stepping into another persons' shoes (particularly BC's shoes) and seeing things from a different perspective. This leads to foolproof logic arguments of "you don't agree with me? you must be mafia!" which reminds me that if I don't believe in another persons' religion I'm automatically going to hell. If he was actively Pro Town and those were his reads, he would be pushing for one of them to be lynched instead of appearing to contribute without actually contributing. On July 25 2011 15:14 Foolishness wrote: I don't see anyone making any arguments against Jackal based on his behavior thus far. I read through his posts and frankly there's nothing indicating that he needs to hang from the noose. I am not convinced that a mafia would roleclaim straight up on day 1, that's just an lol newbie move. Of course his responses tomorrow will greatly help us, but lynching him off of flavor text is like lynching off of day 1 clues. It never works, and inactives sit and mafia twiddle their thumbs. I decided to  Start counting the number of posts where kitaman asks a question. I gave up because I was starting to run out of fingers. It would be nice to see him make a post longer than 2 lines.Soft defense of Jackal. He didn't think BC was a good lynch but did nothing to try to stop the wagon. Taking a stand to save one of the more experienced and renowned players is the natural reaction from a Pro Town player that thinks BC is Town, but he was content to stay on the sidelines and post random stuff. Also his vote conveniently fell on a player that had no other votes rather than Jackal; he was content with the mislynch but didn't want to be a part of it, and also didn't want to vote Jackal in case the wagon managed to derail. Since then his contribution has consisted of nothing but walls of text defending himself and a FoS/vote onto Nisani. Nisani is the EASIEST target to attack in the world as either Town OR Mafia, and I can't believe Foolishness's contribution is a throwaway analysis/vote like that. Now sandroba, the information I said I could give: I was the Role Thief. I could steal someone's role, and I stole Foolishness's. His post restriction is complete and utter BS, there was no restriction. What's the motivation behind it? Likely so he could draw out his role creator to snipe him. That or derail the Town into discussing it. Either way it's not real. He doesn't have a history of purposeful trolling like Kurumi does. He also has not publicly claimed his role was stolen and I have no idea why a Town player would withhold that information. But I can see a reason Mafia would: he's the Godfather. My theory is that he made his role description the same as the power he originally held WITH the added caveat of a post restriction and a Townie alignment. But now he can't claim his power was stolen, because any role check on him would reveal that he still had his old role and out him as the Godfather. One final bit of evidence, Mafia clearly tried to snipe active/vet players last night. Wiggles, Mig, and likely Amber (based on Wiggles's role and him being double stacked) were the hits last night. redFF was Lanaia's Vig shot. Why not Foolishness? If what I've heard is correct, he's senior to all of them. ##Unvote ##Vote: Foolishness | ||
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On July 30 2011 01:02 sandroba wrote: Afaik, godfather just changes your aligment to town, not your actual role. An easier explanation is that foolishness' role creator is also mafia. This is what I thought too, but in TL Mafia apparently you can choose what you want to appear as as Godfather. Looking through a few old games, you pick what role you want to appear as as Godfather or you default to Vanilla Townie. | ||
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Nisani's voting patterns. Clearly he doesn't give a fuck who he votes for, jumping around from wagon to wagon any time an easy one forms. However, he never touched Jackal's wagon. I am leaning very far towards him being scum, but he also voted Foolishness and I don't think Nisani would ever bus a teammate. My original theory was that it was either chaos and Nisani (both look scummy as hell) or Foolishness. But Foolishness looks very Anti Town too, though if my Godfather theory is incorrect he may just be a 3rd Party. That's why I want Nisani flipped ASAP. | ||
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On July 30 2011 06:13 sandroba wrote: K heist why the fuck did you kill foolishness so close to the dead line? Heist made Foolishness his puppet, Mafia day hit heist, Foolishness died in his place. Mafia has at least 2 Day Vigs. Hopefully they're one-shot. | ||
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Should analyze his posts though. | ||
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Through your link to the One Power you are able to manipulate weaves to produce extraordinary effects. The more you use saidin, the more you learn of it and the more powerful the weaves at your disposal. Beware however, using saidin too often will make you insane! Being insane will have debilitating effects on your abilities; the stronger the ability, the worse the effects. You will not know what effect being insane has. Different abilities add a different amount of insanity. You will not be aware if you go insane cause hey, it’s everyone else that’s crazy! That's the coolest part, Mafia doesn't even know my role because I unlock the powers as I go. I know Foolishness was roleblocked because I didn't unlock the next ability until right before the night post. | ||
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Things always seem to go your way, the result of your subconscious channeling. During the day, you may place an extra invisible vote on another player. This vote will not be revealed in the vote lists. Air (Night) You are able to master channeling the flow of air, as such you can freeze your would-be attackers in place. Using this weave grants you an extra life during the night cycle you use it on (temporary life, goes away after the night)." This is what Mafia knows I have atm. | ||
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Looking at his posts, I agree with sandroba against DropBear being Mafia. His votes suggest he is but the motivation in his posts suggests otherwise. | ||
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And I always thought it was Nisani + Chaos or Foolishness. Guess it's actually Chaos + Foolishness. Bow chicka wow wow. | ||
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You get hit with a KP if you choose to do the action? Or do you have KP? | ||
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On July 31 2011 07:49 sandroba wrote: Do you think I'm scum and my teamate tried to kill me? O.o Or I'm sk and risked lying about my role in thread and have someone out me instantly? That you're SK crossed my mind because of in exchange for 1 KP part. SKs start with 2 KP, the way your role is posted suggests that you lose 1 to roleblock everyone? But I doubt you're careless enough to slip like that, and in any case there are far more pressing targets since sandroba is essentially confirmed not Mafia. | ||
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-kitaman27 killed amber -sandroba inducted amber into a cult -amber visited chaos13 Palmar claims chaos attacked sandroba. I doubt Palmar lied because if we lynch chaos and he flips something without a KP, Palmar has signed his own death warrant. This means chaos probably did hit sandroba. But how did sandroba survive? He claims chaos was the only one included into his PM circle, so no other Medic saved him last night. The only possibility is that Amber did indeed visit sandroba with a Medic prot but sandroba wasn't informed of the PM circle because Amber died. This means the third one can't be true. tl;dr lynch chaos today because we can't be completely sure which one of Varpulis's statements were true. | ||
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On July 31 2011 11:38 Varpulis wrote: btw i forgot a part of my claim, looking through the pm. It's going to sound fake as hell, I warn you. Forgot to mention the italicized part. On July 31 2011 07:46 Varpulis wrote: day two the only voice i heard said that a caped crusader visited Jackal. That pointed to palmar. Conveniently has an anti alignment check, penalty somehow perfectly aligns with your role? Day 2 you heard stuff about a caped crusader but day 3 you get full out names on everything? | ||
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I don't understand why yours says: You will receive information for each person to die that night. Yet you only get information for one? Flavour is one thing, discrepancy between what the role says it does and what it actually does is a whole nother animal. | ||
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Varpulis's is the most convenient with its "oh I might actually show as any alignment so if I show red I'm not really lolz." However with chaos/Palmar we have one of them straight up lying. Unless Palmar is for some reason willing to trade 1 for 1, I'm inclined to go with him for now. | ||
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sandroba is the most Pro Town player thus far. I'm not banking on him lying. chaos's action against sandroba must have gone through for them to be in the circle. That means it was not a kill, unless sandroba is the SK and/or can somehow survive night hits. Palmar and DropBear must be lying or this game has the weirdest mechanics I've ever seen. The only thing that gets me is I'm almost certain Foolishness was RBed night 1 and DropBear claimed that one as well. | ||
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DropBear, your full role PM please. There is a daykill ability still out there (supersoft's death) but no one claiming a power related to it, someone is BSing. And for the cult thing, once again unless sandroba lied about his ability (I don't believe he did) then he was not the one. supersoft never did any action to sandroba either. | ||
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Someone is lying about their role, but it doesn't appear to be Palmar. | ||
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On July 31 2011 16:55 Palmar wrote: Btw, this role-message looks so edited. Do you gain a KP for roleblocking your cult? If you need to pay a KP to do it, where does that KP come from? On July 31 2011 11:25 chaos13 wrote: Sandroba's role does not have a day kill. I can confirm this beyond doubt. Yes, I made it sound like a cult. I even made him appear third party to DT checks, but I guess that was removed. However, it's basically just a mason circle that gets 1 kill/night at the cost of roleblocking every member, and only if it is full. Whoever that kill was, it was not Sandroba. Sandroba is not anything harmful. The role PM was worded extremely badly, but chaos explains it. You have to treat roleblocking the Mason circle as a bad thing for it to make sense. Bad: All members roleblocked Good: In exchange for that bad, you get 1 KP I'd still like chaos's explanation for why he chose me to be a Medic prot Night 1. | ||
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I still think chaos's claim is BS though, I mean why in the world would anyone want to Medic prot me Night 1? I led the BC mislynch. | ||
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Varpulis and chaos (and me I suppose) are the only ones who haven't had their power confirmed in some way by the maker or by someone's actions. Their roles both look like BS, but Varpulis's is so convoluted he can't be making that stuff up, and I see no reason for him to fake it unless he really wanted kitaman dead or something. chaos looked scummy on the day of the Foolishness lynch (I was debating pushing a case for him or pushing a case for Foolishness, decided on Foolishness) and his role claim is just weak. He also claims to have protected me night 1 when there was absolutely nothing to paint me as a good Medic prot. | ||
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On August 01 2011 02:14 sandroba wrote: Lemme just say that from a behaviour stand point kita/chaos/palmar all fit mafia paterns imo. What I was thinking, hence I think chaos is the better lynch out of him and Palmar because Palmar at least has one other person verifying his ability and we know one Mafia member is lying about their ability. | ||
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On August 01 2011 02:03 Kurumi wrote: there is no sk there is no more kp scum have 1 kp there are 2 scum start thinking god damnit If you think this why is your vote on chaos? He was roleblocked last night but a KP still went through. If your setup guess is correct and Varpulis isn't BSing then kitaman must be the last Mafia. | ||
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On August 01 2011 04:27 Kurumi wrote: You are Oracle. Because You hate Kitaman27 every cycle You're given his naked photo with Palin's face photoshopped in his face place. Post pics or you get lynched for lying. | ||
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On August 01 2011 07:51 sandroba wrote: One thing that seems off to me is that curu was pushing nisani/chaos early in the day and only revealed stuff about foolishness later on in the day. Can you please explain this curu? Because I was trying to decide whether I wanted to push Nisani/Chaos or Foolishness, as I thought both sides were scummy (but that they wouldn't be all scum due to my impression of Nisani never being capable of busing a teammate). That's why I wanted to flip Nisani first - if red, Chaos was probably scum, if green then Foolishness probably was. I also asked you to clarify on what you were saying when asking what Foolishness tried to do last night as I said I had information about Foolishness that I could reveal, but you never said anything so eventually I just decided to reveal it anyways. I wanted to wait and see if Foolishness would claim that his role had been stolen, and when he hadn't I had no idea what his motivation for not doing so was. Later in the day, I became aware that Godfather was a role AND alignment change; previously I had thought that it was just an alignment change, so finally I could find a motivation for Foolishness not to reveal he had been hit by the Role Thief. I clearly wasn't lying about being the Role Thief and I don't think you can find a reason for why I would steal Foolishness's power and then out him if I was Mafia. If I had the desire to push in Chaos/Nisani that day I'm pretty sure I could have, since people weren't absolutely sure about Foolishness until I outed the Role Thief stuff. | ||
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I did not/do not want to activate a penalty, I had the power to steal a role. Original Message From Eiii: You are the Role Thief! Since your role creator is too lazy to make a super awesome role for you, he is allowing someone else to do all the work! At night, you may select target player and receive a copy of their role the following day. The status of the role remains unchanged. (For example, if you steal a veteran role who has already been hit, you have no additional lives remaining). The selected player is now the Role Thief. Put yourself in my shoes and think about what you would think as soon as you first got this role. | ||
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And do you really think a role as cryptic as this: "You are Rand al’Thor from the Wheel of Time! Through your link to the One Power you are able to manipulate weaves to produce extraordinary effects. The more you use saidin, the more you learn of it and the more powerful the weaves at your disposal. Beware however, using saidin too often will make you insane! Being insane will have debilitating effects on your abilities; the stronger the ability, the worse the effects. You will not know what effect being insane has. Different abilities add a different amount of insanity. You will not be aware if you go insane cause hey, it’s everyone else that’s crazy! That relies on the user not knowing so many things in the role would couple the creator and recipient together on a scum team where they can easily communicate the full role to each other? I'm quoting the Role Thief PM from my inbox. | ||
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Read this part of my post again now: On August 01 2011 11:34 Curu wrote: I did not/do not want to activate a penalty, I admit that I was being a bit selfish with not outing Foolishness immediately since I did not want people to know what power I held (and did not want Foolishness to be able to steal it back), but if you read back you can see that almost at the start of the day I was willing to out the information when I asked you what your plan was regarding seeing what Foolishness had done in the night. I also wasn't sure of Foolishness's scum status until later when the Godfather thing clicked, since I was fixed on Nisani randomly voting people but never hitting Jackal. I got my role and alignment PMs from Eiii, if you really think I'd make a slip forging something like that: Eiii you sent out some of the role PMs confirm? | ||
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Keeping discussion active and transparent as well as an open mind about other players is not a bad thing and gives more room for scum to make a mistake and slip. Once again, I admit that I was selfish in not being transparent right from the start of Day 2 but I hadn't thought of Foolishness as confirmed scum yet and didn't want to possibly push in another mislynch. I thought it very odd that Nisani jumped from YM to BC (clearly voting wherever the bandwagon was easiest), further compounded on day 2 when he just voted for whoever voted for him, but never ever hit the Jackal wagon so I thought there was a good chance that he was scum. He accused Foolishness, which made me more hesitant about calling Foolishness scum because I don't think Nisani is capable of a teammate bus. It was a combination of finding out about Godfather's role changing, reading the TL Quiz thing that Foolishness was always a night 1 scum hit, and realizing that Foolishness was regarded as a great player that confirmed it for me (great players don't just push wall of text defenses of themselves and then only push Nisani who is always the scummiest player in the game regardless of his alignment). | ||
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Defends Foolishness day 2, on the fence about everything and not committing. Lots of apologizing for being wrong with reads. Did have some spats with Chaos though and scumteam using their Vig hit on redFF does seem unlikely. I would prefer Lanaia or bum simply because Palmar's role is so OP for Town. Palmar was also at Chaos before anyone else was. | ||
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Confirmed not Town Wants to kill a crapload of players (gain majority) Can't be killed by Mafia (Culted the Mafia so their KP won't hit him) Knows the Mafia (Culted a Mafia member who told him the rest of them) | ||
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On August 03 2011 07:27 Drazerk wrote: wait what the fuck? First of all - protection does not last past additional nights. Second - I was away I didn't teach anyone So you were away and didn't use your power? What crap, you used it on Palmar. Palmar's not a Survivor, he has even said he wants a shitload of Town to die to win. | ||
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"I can't be killed by scum but I can be killed by Town" this is crap, the only way it would've made sense if if he was a Cult Leader with the Mafia in his Cult but since neither me nor sandroba (the obvious Cult targets) are Culted, Palmar is full of shit. He was going to use this to try to get bum killed today. I'm pretty sure Drazerk's ability means every second night, not strictly odd nights. | ||
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I thought you were killing Palmar Lanaia. ..... Fine bum dies either way now, lynch Palmar pretty please? | ||
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Palmar. The same guy who says he's a 3rd Party that wins by killing off every confirmed Town player we have. A 3rd Party that gets a full Mafia list and for some reason a Watcher/Tracker power to complement it. And that wins by killing the all of the Mafia that he conveniently has a list of, but also the majority of Town. And that he's not allowed to scumhunt or anything, but he had no problem bussing chaos. What do you guys think more likely? That bum is actually telling the truth about being Roleblocked and either DropBear is Mafia (but kita confirmed him) or Drazerk's ability actually meant on alternating nights and he protected Palmar. Or that Palmar is really a 3rd Party that has a full list of Mafia but can't scumhunt, wins by killing all Mafia and most of Town, and is immune to Mafia KP but not Town KP. | ||
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You think bum is Mafia because he didn't kill Palmar. (but really, if bum was Mafia he would've used his Mafia KP on Palmar) So basically you're going on Palmar's word. Palmar is BSing out the wazzoo. The only things he's not lying about are that he has the Mafia list (cuz he's Mafia) and that Mafia can't win. And also, I haven't. | ||
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I'd rather Drazerk be shot tonight but he's essentially bulletproof so we might as well get rid of you like you've been calling for since the start of the game. Why are you so blindly trusting Palmar? If he flips neutral with all the bullshit conditions he said he has, then we kill bum easy. bum's roleblock story is much more likely than Palmar's super alien zombie Caller-type role and either way once Palmar dies we see who was lying. You're either epicly stupid or scum . Drazerk and DropBear are on the list because they're the only ones capable of roleblocking (and if Palmar flips red then there's a Mafia aligned roleblocker), Drazerk before Drop because kita confirmed Drop's RB on him.kita probably isn't scum because the whole scum team was after him since day 1 and I'm pretty sure he's the one who created my Role Thief role. Lanaia probably just confused Townie, heist confirmed Town, Varpulis no Mafia intentions that I can see, I'm Town to the core. | ||
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Just doing a voting analysis is bad. Palmar actually actively tried to start a wagon on sandroba and heist when the two lynch candidates were him and chaos. Do you really believe all the shit Palmar is saying? He's not a Survivor, that's not how the Survivor plays, he's doing Caller-type shit from WaW1 and you're lapping it all up. If Palmar does flip 3rd Party-Town kill only-Mafia immune-whateverthehellelse then we can kill bum. | ||
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Just look at all Palmar's actions and claims, none of them make sense. He's scum. At this point in the game scum probably isn't going to be abstaining from using all their KP so bum didn't purposefully not shoot either. | ||
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I don't see anything as nonsensical as 3rd Party with the scum list but is immune to Mafia KP and can't scumhunt. Not shooting Palmar just ensured bum that he's the next to die if Palmar is indeed a mislynch. He isn't epicly stupid scum, but I don't need to convince you anymore anyways, it seems like every other person here can see what I see. | ||
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He purposely didn't shoot Palmar so we would lynch him? That was just going to get bum killed as soon as Palmar flips anything not scum then. Only way it makes sense is if they were both scum and bum was trying to bus Palmar, but then you should have no problem with lynching Palmar anyways. | ||
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On August 03 2011 23:50 Kurumi wrote: lanaia protected sandroba bum doublestacked sandroba because he was a mason Lanaia's protect was for this night, not the previous night. So no, sandroba wasn't protected. | ||
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I'll make sure to engrave "Curu's Nemesis" on your gravestone for you. | ||
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I wasn't in PTP1 if that's what you're referring to. kita can you confirm DropBear roleblocked you? If not he's who should be dying next. | ||
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On August 05 2011 01:42 kitaman27 wrote: The voting is far too close for my liking. It only takes a combination of a vote swap, a day vig or a vote controlling role and we're stuck with Palmar for another whole cycle. heist or Dropbear, don't suppose you'll switch back to prevent any last minute shenanigans? And it's fine, one person vote switching would just bring it to a tie at 5-5 but Palmar reached it first so he'll still be getting lynched. DropBear voting bum has me suspicious of him though, can you confirm he did RB you last night? | ||
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If he's really 3rd Party that can't be killed by Mafia but can be killed by Town then I'll come eat all the crow I deserve. | ||
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bum was roleblocked (Drazerk and Drop need to die) bum didn't actually shoot Palmar (bum needs to die) They all die we win. | ||
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On August 05 2011 05:59 Kurumi wrote: bum did not shoot palmar because he thought he was on his team you dodo omg All that would have accomplished is getting Palmar lynched then bum dies after if bum chose not to shoot Palmar. Which is what is derp derp going to happen anyways! Too bad we can't make bum kill Drazerk. I really question how TL Towns think if they would rather win by having all of Town die then relying on Palmar to kill all the Mafia. Sigh. | ||
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And if game still isn't over kill DropBear. | ||
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Whatever, this is only relevant if bum flips green first. | ||
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bum faking roleblock is incredibly stupid if he was scum Mafia obviously doesn't have 2 KP like everyone says they do (if bum were scum) Lanaia's got some gut feelings going on (they were all wrong before, this one has to be right) Maybe not so much the third but yeah. ##Vote Drazerk | ||
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On July 31 2011 08:37 deconduo wrote: Yes Depends on information not disclosed to you. If Drop did indeed block bum it couldn't have been him. bum was supposed to block you but I suspect your role makes you unblockable. | ||
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Ugh, I doubt dec will answer this because your role is so specific but Can Drazerk be completely roleblocked by just one person? Completely as in no actions whatsoever | ||
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No, Palmar's role was to kill all of Town first. He would have needed to keep his Mafia buddies alive so he doesn't have to kill so many Townies, which would make his life easier. In fact pointing that out kinda solidifies bum's position a bit, lol. | ||
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Drazerk, how likely do you think it is that one of you or bum is the remaining Mafia member? I don't see your case with DropBear, where his block goes has been confirmed by multiple people and Lanaia has confirmed his role. | ||
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(3) Fire (Night) You are able to control the threads of Fire, incinerating a target of your choice (1 KP). And let me theoretically explain the possible power that I may or may not have two nights from now: (4) Balefire (Night) You are able to summon forth destructive balefire, wiping your target from existence. Any actions that they have recently committed are null as they are cut from the Pattern. Target dies regardless of any protections or immunities that they have (will die no matter what), target is also roleblocked on the night they die. However, I am fairly sure that if I use this theoretical Balefire power I will go insane. So seeing as you are sure the last Mafia is within you and bum, the best way to go about business is for you to be lynched and if game isn't over for bum to die to my normal Vig hit. This also prevents an extra round of night since I don't have to wait for my theoretical last ability. And no, you did not out Jackal in any way, shape, or form. On July 28 2011 07:13 Drazerk wrote: Right work sprung up on me these past few days and I've basically had zero time to read the thread. I am catching up now. Also to explain my case on jackal a bit better and probably get him lynched/shot if he is still alive - I created his role and that's why I know he is lying about needing to kill Voldemort so if we can kill him please do. I am going to read through the thread now sorry for my activity. Also bring on the penalty it's worth it for a scum kill. This post happened after Jackal had already died. Also note that Jackal's role PM was actually exactly as he said it was (so people were voting after him, yes, but for the wrong reason). To quote sandroba (RIP): | ||
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On August 06 2011 08:36 Drazerk wrote: And what if neither of us are Mafia. What then you will of lost because you got rid of your immortal team mate with medic protection. Screw time the thread isn't going anywhere - We do this right. Hey you yourself just told me you are sure it's one of you two. I'm sure of it too. | ||
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So why are you claiming you blocked Drazerk??????? Also Drazerk is the only one unwilling to die. Lanaia is fine with being killed if it narrows down the suspects, bum is fine with being killed if it narrows down the suspects. Notice Drazerk is the only one who comes up with reasons over and over he should live. I'll post more when I get home. | ||
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He's lying about the bullshit buff he said he got, nothing that happened in the game would justify making it so Lanaia's ability doesn't kill bum. | ||
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One of the roleblockers or bum is lying, so the scum is between those 3. bum will be dying today if you don't change your lynch, DropBear will be dying tonight, if game isn't over PLEASE kill Drazerk. | ||
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Look, one of Drazerk, bum, and DropBear is the last Mafia. Drazerk is UNACTIONABLE, which means he HAS to be lynched. Me and Lanaia can kill bum and DropBear at night. Kurumi just tell me what you'll do if bum flips Town. | ||
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I'll be killing Kurumi tonight, which means I'm very likely dead as well. Lanaia or Drop, whichever one of you is alive, please please please see that Drazerk gets lynched. | ||
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On August 03 2011 07:34 Drazerk wrote: You are Steven Seagal. You are the fucking boss of crappy martial arts. Despite what they say, your shit is not lethal, so you role block the first person who visits you every night by front kicking them in the face! Every odd night you may choose a student and that person will get the same ability for the following night. Lanaia, please put your block on Drazerk now. DropBear, please also block Drazerk at night. I will then be shooting Drazerk. He can't stop it all. | ||
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Yes but if you were so sure that Jackal was scum like you claimed you would have done something to stop BC's mislynch. Instead you disappeared until after Jackal was already dead to show it to try to buy cred. Here are the facts: Palmar didn't die, only explanation is one of you/bum/DropBear is Mafia. bum is going to die now unless some miracle happens. If he flips green that leaves you and DropBear. I highly doubt it's DropBear because kita confirmed he was blocked last night, so it wasn't him that saved Palmar. Your only post of content before trying to make sure you don't get lynched was this: On July 29 2011 07:18 Drazerk wrote: [/b]Foolishness actually comes across as a great lynch in my eyes he is doing the same thing as I did in WaW2 - Faking a posting restriction. When you couldn't possibly know Foolishness was faking. You didn't create his role and you have no role check and this was before I outed him. Yet you were somehow sure but didn't say anything about it on day one, didn't say anything about it until Foolishness was already coming under fire from syllo and sandroba. You tried to bus him for cred and slipped in the process. | ||
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On August 06 2011 18:02 bumatlarge wrote: A roleblocker stopped me from killing palmar, and from killing drazerk. I am town so I know mafia has a roleblocker, as a townie would have claimed to the block on the night I hit palmar. Once I die, this will be a fact. That's why smart people are voting drazerk, because deconduo said he buffed his role (?) which he never clarified as to what that was, and he obviously visited me (kung fu he claimed that himself) Do the math or point out what part of it doesn't make sense. bum did you do something retarded last night? No lies, just tell us what you did. | ||
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D razerk must die R really kill him please A all Mafia will be dead when Drazerk dies Z zzzzzzzzzzz kill Drazerk E nd of the game comes when Drazerk dies R remaining Mafia member is Drazerk K ill Drazerk! There I put it in easy to understand terms. | ||
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D razerk must die R eally kill him please A ll Mafia will be dead when Drazerk dies Z zzzzzzzzzzz kill Drazerk E nd of the game comes when Drazerk dies R emaining Mafia member is Drazerk K ill Drazerk! There | ||
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On July 29 2011 07:18 Drazerk wrote: [/b]Foolishness actually comes across as a great lynch in my eyes he is doing the same thing as I did in WaW2 - Faking a posting restriction. On July 28 2011 21:25 chaos13 wrote: Yeah Foolish has been cluttering up the thread with his apparently worthless TLPD thing. So far I haven't seen him post anything of worth. Right now I will either put my vote on him or Palmar, I haven't decided which yet DEM SCUM SLIPS Only two people to know Foolishness's post restriction was worthless before I outed him. | ||
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Jackal58: Hey guys let's all be lurkers and then claim work it'll be cool. chaos: K Drazerk: K Foolishness: Hey guys I'm faking a post restriction, bus me later when I start to get pressured to buy yourselves town cred chaos: K Drazerk: K LOL I knew you would try this sooner or later. If I was the scum I would not be pushing for you at all since I had confirmed Town status. I would just keep you alive till the end where I win. Or kill you with my ability I get soon. | ||
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Somehow you and chaos were the only ones who were sure Foolishness was faking his restriction without me confirming it. Coincidence? I THINK NOT. And now you're floundering cause you know if you get double blocked and die tonight you lose the game. So why were you so sure I was Town before? But now when I can get your scummy scum butt killed, suddenly I'm the Mafia huh? Die die die die die die | ||
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I wouldn't have said a thing to try to stop bum's lynch if I was scum. What purpose does it serve if he flips green? To buy Town cred? I was already the Towniest mofo in this town. | ||
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So why weren't you calling for me to die when I was so sure bum would flip green before? Not until I figured out the plan to get you killed Mr. Scum. | ||
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DropBear's not the scum, I'm not shooting him. Drazerk is. Lower his protection so I can win this game. | ||
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DropBear, let me kill Drazerk. If he isn't the last scum, you lynch me tomorrow. ezpz lemon squeezy. | ||
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Hey Drazerk, you should have no problem with this. If I'm the scum I get lynched tomorrow. | ||
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Hey Drazerk I'm the last scum according to you. What's wrong with the plan? I'm getting lynched tomorrow. Hahahahah Floundering scum. | ||
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On August 07 2011 06:21 Kurumi wrote: hey curu what was that power which would drive You insane and what it did (4) Balefire (Night) You are able to summon forth destructive balefire, wiping your target from existence. Any actions that they have recently committed are null as they are cut from the Pattern. Target dies regardless of any protections or immunities that they have (will die no matter what), target is also roleblocked on the night they die. [Insane]: Rand burns himself out of the Pattern. Self kill. Adds 3 to insanity counter I don't have it yet, sadly, or I would just kill Drazerk now with it. | ||
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I'm on a collision course brah, I'm taking you down. Derka derka. | ||
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On August 07 2011 06:48 Drazerk wrote: Town wins but we should just kill you and have it done with. I hate being killed as scum. Fixed it for you! Only person that can kill me is....me. Oh and you, cause you have your Mafia KP. So too bad, we'll have to do it in this order. You die the night, I die the day. Woot woot. | ||
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On July 25 2011 10:13 Drazerk wrote: Ok lets consider for a moment... apparently both Voldemort ( Presuming the scum Godfather ) and harry potter ( Some random townie bonus role? ) are searching for the hallows. It could be very possible this is an additional win condition for scum / town and we should NOT give them out so willingly. On top of this stick = wand = KP. We don't want to give away that power so willingly. Already trying to paint Voldemort (the Town) as Mafia and Harry Potter (the Mafia) as Town. There was no indication whatsoever that this was the case, and role name =/= Mafia should have been obvious. In fact before the game syllogism was talking about naming his role The Mafia Godfather and hoping it was a Townie. Also note the scumslip about the wand = KP, nobody knew that at the time except ON and Jackal. Oh and all of Jackal's scumbuddies. On July 25 2011 10:38 Drazerk wrote: You kill people and steal the items considering your Voldemort? also I'm going to sleep please sort this wand discussion out before I wake up. More of trying to paint ON as the bad guy. On July 25 2011 18:36 Drazerk wrote: Watch him not be harry potter but in fact a detective! at any rate I am suspecting jackal as clearly he lied about his role ( Voldemort being townie ) and it's pretty obvious that he is an alternate alignment to Voldemort so either way he needs killing. Also I am guessing heist wrote the role or is there a third harry potter role out there? Final note - If you vote in the voting thread without telling anyone why I will start the bandwagon on you myself. This post came right after Palmar's post about Jackal. At that point it was clear Jackal was going to die sooner or later since ON had flipped, distancing themselves from Jackal was the smart move. But notice he never actually tries to push aggressively for Jackal, even though he later claims that he's the role creator and he knew Jackal lied (which is also BS, Jackal didn't lie about anything in his role). AKA this: On July 28 2011 07:13 Drazerk wrote: Right work sprung up on me these past few days and I've basically had zero time to read the thread. I am catching up now. Also to explain my case on jackal a bit better and probably get him lynched/shot if he is still alive - I created his role and that's why I know he is lying about needing to kill Voldemort so if we can kill him please do. I am going to read through the thread now sorry for my activity. Also bring on the penalty it's worth it for a scum kill. Is just stupid. If he was so sure and so willing to bring on the penalty to get Jackal lynched, he would've done it at a time when it actually mattered (ie when BC was getting mislynched and Jackal was going to survive the day or even at night after the mislynch when a night Vig could've used the information). Yet note he doesn't actually post anything or even try to push Jackal despite his conviction that Jackal was scum until after Jackal is dead. Stupid attempt to buy Town cred. On July 29 2011 07:18 Drazerk wrote: Right I've caught back up ( Again ) Foolishness actually comes across as a great lynch in my eyes he is doing the same thing as I did in WaW2 - Faking a posting restriction. I can't remember who said it but basically they referred to me as a distraction, someone who was only there to disrupt the game the best they could and then go out in a blaze of glory. Even though I was town in that game the only reason scum kept me around is because I would of been a great lynch for them. Foolishness could be doing the same tactic but as scum. The argument is very wifom but he isn't someone I'd like to keep in the game ( Especially since I lost town the game thanks to this ) Since my vote can be manipulated ill be voting for him until one of his scum buddies ( Or kurumi ) votes for me. ##Vote: Foolishness AGAIN, he is somehow sure that Foolishness is faking a post restriction. Another scumslip. The SAME scumslip that chaos had. The only people that were sure that the post restriction was fake at that point were me, Foolishness, and all of Foolishness's scumbuddies. And AGAIN, though he claims to be sure Foolishness was faking and was pretty sure he's scum, he doesn't say a peep day 1 or until after syllo, Amber, and sandroba have all brought the heat onto Foolishness already and he looked like the most likely lynch. Rest of the thread is just him riding the person most likely to get lynched (still not contributing or pushing for them though). Most damning thing though is his defense of himself. No it's not that he's defending himself, it's how he did it. He was pretty inactive throughout the entire thread until suspicion got piled on him. He has 1 and a half pages of filtered posts pre-defense that were all non-contributing, and then 6 and a half more pages of defending himself. That he chose me as the scum is completely laughable and ensures he is scum. Besides Kurumi, who is verified by his Cloak but not his actions, I am the most Pro Town looking player in the game. He has no choice but to attack me because I am the only one that can kill him. None of his reasons for thinking I'm the scum remotely make sense, because none of my actions make sense at all if I was scum. In fact I'd go so far as to say that were I scum, I would have already won the game by just lying low and leading Town into a mislynch each time. There's plenty of fodder; Lanaia, Varpulis, DropBear, bum, none of them looked absolutely Pro Town. I spoke up so much and stuck my neck out because I am sure Drazerk is the last scum. The fact that he is unwilling to go 1-for-1 when he supposedly is "absolutely sure" I am the last scum means two things: 1) He doesn't actually think I'm scum 2) He's the last scum and needs to do anything possible to ensure his survival Were he Town, his natural response would be to try to convince me that it was Lanaia or someone else rather than him because he can't possibly think I'm scum. But as soon as I came up with a plan that would result in him dead, he had no choice but to try to stop it by trying to discredit me instead. | ||
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On August 08 2011 01:09 Drazerk wrote: Time and time again it has been proven that I can not be scum and Curu just relents on. If I am alive Curu can not win if I am dead Curu wins by default as he made the most over powered role in the universe stole it back using his role and then bused Foolishness for town credit. Since I am the only medic left in the game Ill be protecting drop regardless. He's the only one I trust this game because of how idiotic you have all been. This is also a non-reason. If I were the last Mafia, I would win when nobody is left in the game but me and Drazerk. His protection is a nonfactor, since it's delayed and I could just kill whoever he protected each night. I'm also 100% sure I could've just gotten him to put the protection on me each night and skated to a mislynch lylo win. He doesn't have any real reason for me to be scum but he has to push it because he loses otherwise. And he has to make it sound like he must survive, which is absolutely not the case if he was Town. | ||
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DropBear looks pretty bad but outing supersoft and RBing Foolishness N1 and chaos later on buys him a lot of cred. The fact that Drazerk voted for every scum doesn't mean shit, he voted for them when it was clear they were going to die. He didn't contribute anything to any of their lynches. That you "weren't around" is crap too. You were LRing in SC2 threads and your recent activity obviously shows you do have the time to be around every day. You just didn't care to be active when it didn't serve your Mafia agenda. | ||
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It's not fair but deconduo damned you too. Why on earth would you of all people get a rolebuff for a mistake he made? It also makes 0 sense that it was to survive Lanaia's shot, you're lying about that being the buff. Let me know the logic behind a mistake somewhere and that being the resulting buff. How I see it deconduo either made the booboo by letting you somehow protect Palmar so he had to retcon your ability, or he made a booboo by letting Palmar live which put suspicion on you so he had to buff you in some way to compensate. Either way even the mod is pointing at you. | ||
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Yeah no. You posted as if you would be willing to take the penalty and wanted absolutely to get Jackal lynched, yet you never revealed any of it in the like 2 and a half days you had of day 1 + night 1 for it to actually influence anything. And believe me I tried, but you have so many LR posts that searching you doesn't go back that far. | ||
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Just block Drazerk and if he's not it you kill me tomorrow. I'll put my vote on myself too. Kurumi will put his vote on me. You will most definitely put your vote on me. There's no way I'm worming out of it. Varpulis completely forgot about this game and announced in Kurumi's game that it was his first time as scum. Some intense metagame play maybe, but not likely. I also explained to you the correct voice was Amber putting medic on sandroba but you didn't listen to me that time either. | ||
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Well, Drazerk's dead. | ||
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For example he landed a 5 on Night 1, which let him Day Vig syllogism Day 2. | ||
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No my dear boy, you are the first on the list of deaths. | ||
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Picking for Foolishness Role: You are Rand al’Thor from the Wheel of Time! Through your link to the One Power you are able to manipulate weaves to produce extraordinary effects. The more you use saidin, the more you learn of it and the more powerful the weaves at your disposal. Beware however, using saidin too often will make you insane! Being insane will have debilitating effects on your abilities; the stronger the ability, the worse the effects. You will not know what effect being insane has. Different abilities add a different amount of insanity. You will not be aware if you go insane cause hey, it’s everyone else that’s crazy! Text written in green is for mod use only and should not be told to the player. Player is not told what the abilities are until he gets them Player is not told what the insanity threshold is Player is not told how much insanity each power adds Player is not told what being insane does to each ability (effects after being insane listed after [Insane] brackets) Player is not told when he is insane Number in brackets is how often they have to use any ability to unlock this one Each time the player unlocks an ability, PM him with the description of the new ability. Just to clarify, insanity numbers have nothing to do with the numbers in brackets; the number in brackets is just the amount of times he has to use any ability at all to unlock that ability. Every ability regardless of how much they add to insanity will only count as 1 towards the number in brackets for unlocking new abilities Player can choose to use any abilities that are currently available to him as many times as he chooses Players will only have the insane effect if they are already insane at the time they use their power; if the player is at 9 insanity and uses balefire, it has its normal effects since he was fine pre-use but goes insane after use Abilities that are (0) are ones that the player starts with Insanity threshold is 10. Maybe increase insanity threshold if they become 3rd party (0) Wild Channeling (Day) Things always seem to go your way, the result of your subconscious channeling. During the day, you may place an extra invisible vote on another player. This vote will not be revealed in the vote lists. [Insane]: The extra vote falls on the person who: 1) Has the most votes 2) Rand is not currently voting for Adds 0 to insanity counter (0) Air (Night) You are able to master channeling the flow of air, as such you can freeze your would-be attackers in place. Using this weave grants you an extra life during the night cycle you use it on (temporary life, goes away after the night). [Insane]: Will instead roleblock the first person on Rand’s team to submit a night action (Rand is not informed, can also just use someone random if you want to use a RNG) Adds 1 to insanity counter (1) Warding (Night) You are able to create wards to monitor and guard you during your sleep. Using this weave will alert you to anyone that targets you during that night (their names are given, abilities are not, does not roleblock). [Insane]: Rand gets results that the first two people to submit night actions that did not actually visit him visited him (again, can just use RNG too but more work for you) Adds 1 to insanity counter (2) Compulsion (Night) You are able to bend others to your will, surrendering their secrets. You will get the role description of one player of your choosing at night (not alignment). [Insane]: Picks the player on the player list closest below his intended target (or you can do a random player) and reveals their role. Male channeler will NOT be informed that their target was changed. Adds 1 to insanity counter (2) Healing (Night) You have mastered the Healing flows, able to save someone from the brink of death. However, they will be exhausted upon receiving treatment, for the strength of Healing comes as much from the receiver as the giver. Target receives Medic protection and is saved from all KP if hit, but is also roleblocked if hit (not roleblocked if not hit). [Insane]: Target is attacked instead (1 KP). Adds 1 to insanity counter (3) Fire (Night) You are able to control the threads of Fire, incinerating a target of your choice (1 KP). [Insane]: Rand instead uses the Healing ability (pre-Insane effects) on his target. Adds 1 to insanity counter (4) Balefire (Night) You are able to summon forth destructive balefire, wiping your target from existence. Any actions that they have recently committed are null as they are cut from the Pattern. Target dies regardless of any protections or immunities that they have (will die no matter what), target is also roleblocked on the night they die. [Insane]: Rand burns himself out of the Pattern. Self kill. Adds 3 to insanity counter Penalty: If penalty is active has to talk about current gossip in the world in an extremely feminine and ditzy manner and can’t comment on the Mafia game for the rest of the day/night cycle. So thanks kitaman for letting me steal my own ability. | ||
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On August 08 2011 02:54 Palmar wrote: gg, I was terrible this game, sorry. Well you had the impossible win con lol. After the impossible Joker win con. Retribution for your win con of "win with the host" in WaW2. | ||
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Kurumi's role nominated for worst of all time lol. | ||
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Also wut, Wiggles saved me? I was a terrible save  . But I love you man.How did you guys know I created Foolishness's role? | ||
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bum's action: shoots bum bum never ever lie to Town again holy shit. If I wasn't so convinced already Drazerk was Mafia your lie that you did something to Drazerk could have lost the game for Town. wtf were you thinking | ||
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On August 08 2011 04:39 bumatlarge wrote: Um what the fuck are you talking about? I said I tried to shoot drazerk, and I got roleblocked. I'm still not exactly sure how everything went down, but everything I claimed in thread is what I did, and everything I did I claimed in thread. Please read the conversation deconduo and drazerk had, this is rather insulting. My bad if you did then, but the Google spreadsheet shows you tried to shoot yourself. And then before you got lynched you said you actioned Drazerk, when deconduo had you down as shooting yourself. Led to a wtf moment because if you and Drop had both actioned Drazerk he would've been dead or unable to commit his kill. | ||
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On August 08 2011 05:11 bumatlarge wrote: Why would I ever shoot myself? I'm curious too dec can you explain this? That's why I was like WTF bum. My apologies, I assumed that you just actually did that. | ||
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I also knew I was stealing Foolishness's power as soon as I got my role cause I made that one OP as hell lol. | ||
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