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notasmurf
Profile Joined June 2011
United States15 Posts
July 21 2011 00:08 GMT
#1181
That is correct
This is for use for mafia only, and is most certainty not a smurf
Kavdragon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1251 Posts
July 21 2011 00:09 GMT
#1182
It didn't matter who I told about my gambit, because it in itself was a test/trap.

I told the person that there was a second person whom I told. If they didn't come forward with the information, then the second would come out, and my informant would have been outed as a liar. Now, you will notice that I told everyone BEFORE notasmurf comfirmed me, that there was no second person in reality! Now, if notasmurf was scum, this would be a perfect opportunity for him to deny it, and see me hang. Of course, he couldn't have known wether or not i actually had a second, regardless of what I said.

Essentially, there was a ton of wifom involved, and not even scum would take the risk.

The specific reason i chose him, was that he was online at the time that I wanted to make the claim, and was immediately available.
I'm currently on an indefinite hiatus from TL =(
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
July 21 2011 00:12 GMT
#1183
shoot kav .. i'm going to bed
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Sevryn
Profile Joined September 2010
698 Posts
July 21 2011 00:51 GMT
#1184
On July 21 2011 09:03 notasmurf wrote:
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This is a really good way to get around the whole people editing pms
just post something encrypted and then send the person a pm with the key instead of the pm and if you need to make it public you post the key.
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
July 21 2011 01:00 GMT
#1185
On July 21 2011 08:16 ghrur wrote:
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On July 21 2011 05:52 Mr. Wiggles wrote:

It says batman is immune to ALL night hits. The only exception, is where it says that Ra'al's hit kill batman.

Do Joker's hits kill batman?

Also, if you read the OP, then why ask if Ra'as/Joker's hits go through protection? It's pretty obvious it says nothing about that, so why ask, and especially when it's directed at the thread and not the mods? It's non-contributory.


You're right. My bad.

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So you're saying I think like a third-party? You never actually stated it. If yes, then of course I think like a third party, when I'm trying to hunt them. Same way I try to think like scum to hunt scum. You're using the logic, that those who talk about the third-parties are third party. I pointed out that it's wrong, because then those who talk about scum i.e. scumhunt, are scum, by that same logic. Also, blues that think like blues are bad, same with scum who think like scum. Scum want to think like greens, blues want to think like greens, and third-parties want to think like greens. The only difference between them is how good they are at it.


First off, you completely ignored my first accusation: that you lied. You lied to defend yourself; you avoided this point. Hey, guess what, you lied earlier to defend yourself when DRAZERK accused you too! So, the question is why would a townie feel the need to lie to defend themselves? The answer, they don't. Town shouldn't lie; it just hurts us.


If what I'm saying isn't true, then it isn't by intent. For Drazerk, I just went by what he was posting, I didn't go back through all my own posts to look for times on them, and even then it was only a few hours difference, between 3 and 8, or whatever it was. It's still a bad accusation.

Also, reading back through some of the posts, can you point out where people talk about the set-up? I see deconduo talking about third parties a little, but that's it. Everyone else was talking about game mechanics or general strategy. If people talked about the traitors in the game or third parties, even GFs and roleblockers, and the number of mafia and what that means for us, then maybe I missed it. So no, from what I remember of the thread I'm not lying. Talking about clues and PMs isn't talking about the role set-up.

I'm not just saying you think like a third party. You act like a third party. I've thrown up an analysis on it too.

Scum CAN'T think like greens, nor can blues, nor can third parties. The reason? Information. They have information we don't. You can't just suddenly ignore it. Curse of knowledge. It's an interesting thing. They'll try, but they'll fail, and that's how we catch them.


The point is they want to think like them. Also, what extra information are you talking about with blues? They have no additional information, only powers. If all blues, scum, and third parties thought like their respective roles in a way which showed in the thread, this game would be very easy.

Also, the analysis isn't that great, if you want me to go through after, I will. There's lots of things wrong with it.

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I'm repeating what I said, for a couple reasons. First, when I'm accused of being a third party, simply for bringing them up, I'm somewhat forced to talk about third parties, aren't I? In the same way that someone accused of being scum must talk about scum and their behaviour. Next, I'm bringing them up, because no one seems to be worried about them at all besides me. They are a threat to town, just the same as scum are. Do you want them to stick around? No? Then why do you try to quash any discussion about them?


See, here is where you're ignoring what I said. I specifically accused you of being SK. How, in any way, does that tell you I want them to stick around? I'm ACTIVELY trying to catch SK. What type of insane logic would make that say to you, "Hey, I want SK to stay alive?" What type of logic turns "You're an SK/Scum" into quashing discussion about them? Moreover, repeating the same thing over and over doesn't do anything for us. We need new information. Repetition of old information just dilutes our new information.

Now, I understand that under the current predicament, we have no choice but to talk about SKs. However, my accusations are also based on a reluctance to analyze, constant lying, defensiveness, and, so far, empty promises for the future. There, that's generalized. You needn't talk about SKs to defend yourself. But see, those are all actions. They're fact.


Where do I say you want SKs to stick around? I answered the question for you in the negative. Now, let's see how this went.

-I talked about Third Parties
-I was accused of being scum for talking about Third Parties
-That changed into being a Third Party myself, somewhere along the way

So, if I'm being accused of being scum for talking about third parties, what precedent is created? It shows town that if you talk about third parties, you will be accused of being scum or a third party yourself. That kills the discussion, because most townies don't want to get accused of being scum.

There is no reluctance to analyze, where do I express that? Where do I promise ANYTHING to you? And lastly, since when did defending oneself become a scumtell? Mafia will just ignore the case against them, because it won't go anywhere. I'm going to address it as a townie, because I want to keep my credibility intact. You're incredibly hypocritical, when you commit the same acts you accuse me of.

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Hmmm? Check the bolded parts. You ask why I need to talk about them, implying that I shouldn't, then say you never inferred we should ignore third parties. What is not discussing third parties at all, besides ignoring them? You haven't stated it explicitly, but you can see it in the actions and posts of certain individuals. Those who are nervous about addressing third parties, those who want to stop discussion about them, or try to attack the credibility of those who do talk about them.


What? Never inferred we should ignore third parties? I'm sorry, I really am, I don't understand that sentence. Do you mean implied? I'll take it you mean implied.

Yes, I never implied we shouldn't talk about SKs. Once again, I reiterate, I'm actively hunting for SKs by accusing people who act like them (see, you). Deconduo talked about SKs, but he was concise about them. Lynch them, they're dangerous, get it over with. Okay.

But your posts, and your PMs, indicate that you've been continuously thinking about each individual SK's actions. Which, it seems to me, to be overkill when you haven't posted a single analysis. So you say you think like them when you're hunting them; where's the hunt?


The hunt is in PM and in my notes. For every suspicious action or sentence in this thread, do you post an analysis? Or do you wait until you have enough to say with conviction that someone is scum? I never make strong accusations on Day 1, because there is not enough information. Anyone who says they can strongly accuse someone of being scum with high certainty on Day 1 is a liar.

Also, where is the "actively hunting" coming from? You've accused one person all game long, and that's me, and it's incorrect, so I'm laughing right now at how you keep trying to play up your own contributions to this thread.

Also, why is detail and length a bad trait? It took me 10 minutes to come up with how each SK should play this game and how they will act. That is not me "continuously thinking" about the SKs. I thought about it once, and I've been saying the same thing all game long. If we want such brevity, why do we even discuss scum? Why do we try to determine their behaviours and possible actions, and don't just say "scum bad, must lynch"? You are trying to make a distinction between third parties and mafia, that third parties are not a problem, and that we must only focus on mafia. In reality, they are all scum, and are all anti-town.

As for the hunt? Well, I've had suspicions of Palmar since early in the game. Those were revealed in one of the IRC logs I posted here. For a while, I thought he was a third party due to his seemingly safe and neutral play, but after talking to him, I'm reconsidering. I still think something's a little off, but I'm not going to worry about it too much for the moment.

Then, I just accused lucidity of being the Joker, due to his constant focus on Batman. He thinks I'm the batman, and so is trying to lure a hit by Ra'as to further his own win condition. Like I've said, there's no reason to continuously accuse someone of being the same third party role, especially at night, unless you're trying to bait a hit.

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Why do you ask for scum hunting? Did I ever promise you any? I don't think so. Don't worry though, I'm doing it. The point is it's just in private, and not the thread right now, until I can form a strong case against someone. Why throw out pointless accusations if I can't realistically get that person lynched yet?


Because.
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Mr. Wiggles wrote:
We always want people to scum-hunt. There's never an excuse not to scum-hunt; everyone can do it. This provides us with many benefits. First, it's the primary method for actually finding scum. It also means that people have to give their actual thoughts, and have to come up with things beyond "I agree". This gives us information, and information is good. It lets us know what you're thinking, and it puts pressure on mafia to have to contribute. Also, forcing mafia to scum-hunt means that there's a good chance of catching them just based on their analysis, because it's hard to find people who are scummy, when you know they aren't scum.

Therefore, why in private? How do you know you can't get the person lynched? In the words of Jackal, can you be 100% sure? Can you guarantee it? Why not post your thoughts? Why not "give us information?"


So where in there, do I promise any analysis on Day 1? I've told you I'm scumhunting, do you need me to share every single one of my reads, too? I can't guarantee I can't get someone I think is scummy lynched, but on day 1, when two people I thought were scummy (RoL and redFF) were on the block, why in the hell would I want to try to start another wagon on a third person, who I have a weaker read on? There is no reason for it.

Also, by not revealing each of my reads right away, I can press people for information and continue to observe them before I accuse them and they become aware of my suspicions. This way, they're still relaxed, and don't try to change what they're doing, or refuse to communicate.

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Also, it's very hypocritical of you to call me out for lack of scum-hunting in the thread, when the only analysis you've done yourself is calling me scum, which is incorrect. So, you haven't been able to finger a single scum yet, in other words, and only have an analysis calling a townie scum.


Why would it be lack of scum/SK hunting if I'm accusing someone I read as scum/SK? I don't have perfect information. For all I know, you could be town, or hell, even blue (doubt it). But I think you're scum/SK, so I push you, and that's scum/SK hunting. When I don't think you're scum/SK, I won't push you, and I'll push someone else. That's scum/SK hunting. What more do you expect of me? What more am I supposed to do except provide an analysis and try to push as hard as I can to get scum/SK lynched? I will never know until someone gets lynched their alignment. Is it different for you?


You call me out for lack of scum-hunting, without any idea of what I'm doing on my own. There are plenty of people who aren't creating large analysis, or who are actually thinking even, but you choose to focus on me. You are pressuring 1 (ONE) person only, and they're town, so of course I see a huge lack of SCUMhunting from you.

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Also, are you saying that posting the PM from VE was anti-town? That's incredibly silly. What do you suggest I should have done? Held onto it and let a possible traitor accuse me of being mafia later because it wasn't revealed? By posting that, we've netted ourselves at least one traitor, which is a gain.


I'm saying posting the PM isn't pro-town. Posting it shouldn't give you an automatic bye with analysis, and it definitely shouldn't grant you medic protection. I don't know the intentions behind the post, whatever you want to say. All I know are the results. Chaos, havoc, more II claims, more confusion, and supposed "town cred" for you. Netting a traitor? Well, we'll see.


I never said it was pro-town. Where I ask for med protection, that's because I think mafia will perceive it as being a "pro-town" thing to do, and will kill me before I can utilize that perception among the town. Nowhere do I ask for a bye with analysis either, and would not expect people to do so.

Also, do you REALLY think, that between VE and CB, where one of them is lying about his PM, in a way in which the other is shown to be scum, that they're both town? If so, you need to re-evaluate.
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you gotta dance
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
July 21 2011 01:25 GMT
#1187
hmmm where is the nightpost? did i mix up the times? its 3:24 am over here and i want to know what happened, before i went to sleep...
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
July 21 2011 01:27 GMT
#1188
24 hours from 23.5 hours ago is....

~30 minutes from now
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
July 21 2011 01:29 GMT
#1189
On July 21 2011 10:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
24 hours from 23.5 hours ago is....

~30 minutes from now


okay strange... the nightpost was at 10:04 forumtime. anyway, 30 min are too much for me, i barely manage to keep my eyes open to type this ^_^
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
July 21 2011 01:29 GMT
#1190
actually last night post was posted at 10:00 KST
Computer says mafia
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7875 Posts
July 21 2011 01:30 GMT
#1191
Sorry for the delay some syuff came up will be 30 minutes at least more.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 21 2011 01:40 GMT
#1192
oh sweet
made it in time for day post
lalala
VarysTheSpider
Profile Joined July 2011
United States38 Posts
July 21 2011 01:57 GMT
#1193
Finally done traveling... sitting down to catch up on everything... prob take me 1-2 hours to read everything then will try to post some analysis
Why is it always the innocents who suffer most, when you high lords play your game of thrones? --Varys
ketomai
Profile Joined June 2007
United States2789 Posts
July 21 2011 02:00 GMT
#1194
I'm back now . But obviously the town didn't really accomplish anything so let's just hope that the Vigs got lucky :/.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
July 21 2011 02:05 GMT
#1195
On July 21 2011 11:00 ketomai wrote:
I'm back now . But obviously the town didn't really accomplish anything so let's just hope that the Vigs got lucky :/.

What exactly would you like us to do at night? I think a lot of good stuff got posted overnight. The game usually just dies.
F5F5F5F5F5F5F5
Life can only kill you once.
ketomai
Profile Joined June 2007
United States2789 Posts
July 21 2011 02:07 GMT
#1196
On July 21 2011 11:05 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 11:00 ketomai wrote:
I'm back now . But obviously the town didn't really accomplish anything so let's just hope that the Vigs got lucky :/.

What exactly would you like us to do at night? I think a lot of good stuff got posted overnight. The game usually just dies.
F5F5F5F5F5F5F5


I wanted there to be a hit list at least for one night so we could tell which vigs were alive/active... Now it's possible that the vigs overlap and we don't know who got protected or who spared by the mafia etc. It would've been so much better to an organized hitlist at least for one night considering how many strong mafia candidates we have.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
July 21 2011 02:08 GMT
#1197
On July 21 2011 11:05 Jackal58 wrote:
F5F5F5F5F5F5F5

Computer says mafia
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
July 21 2011 02:20 GMT
#1198
On July 21 2011 11:08 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 11:05 Jackal58 wrote:
F5F5F5F5F5F5F5


And some more.
Life can only kill you once.
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
July 21 2011 02:20 GMT
#1199
On July 21 2011 11:20 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 11:08 Palmar wrote:
On July 21 2011 11:05 Jackal58 wrote:
F5F5F5F5F5F5F5


And some more.


And more.
you gotta dance
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
July 21 2011 02:24 GMT
#1200
On July 21 2011 11:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 11:20 Jackal58 wrote:
On July 21 2011 11:08 Palmar wrote:
On July 21 2011 11:05 Jackal58 wrote:
F5F5F5F5F5F5F5


And some more.


And more.

and mOre.
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