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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
Do you all realise what happens if you kill the active and outspoken palyers first?? Yes, people know it as aiming for LURKER LYLO. Hooray for lurkers! I don´t want to experience the despair of XLII again. Any plan that consists of killing active players before inactive players on nothing else than priniciple is utter BULLSHIT. Btw Any chance we will get compensation for the missing lurkerlist today? YM can´t suicide without lurkers, Vigis can´t shoot lurker without lurkers(duh), so this is the equivalent of free roleblock on the whole town. Please don´t favor scum just because he is losing badly. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On July 04 2011 08:17 ~OpZ~ wrote: I agree with the plan. A lurker would be foolish to think he could direct the thread out of no where once all of confirmed people are dead. If youngminii doesn't suicide today, I'm lynching him tomorrow. Did he claim hatter before I shot VE or after? I'm going to reread when Varp was shot by mafia, and I suggest everyone else does too. Wasn't Varp a hatter? And ya YM is a possibility as well. Never heard of a suicide hatter before. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On July 04 2011 08:16 Jackal58 wrote: Yep. Like I said. This plan needs to be agreed upon by those not in it. And if you enact it there is no going back. You guys stick to the plan. If it does net 0 scum then you guys have eliminated virtually everybody the remaining scum can hide behind. GGQ, GMarshal, and I are all people scum can push for a lynch. But I seriously doubt it will get that far. Palmar's biggest objection so far seems to be you guys aren't smart enough to win with out him. I think it's a town win with or without him. I would just rather see it sooner than later. I also think the remaining scum will be in the list I posted. Myself excluded but it wouldn't be fair not to put myself in that list. If I'm wrong Palmar can do the fuck you dance all around me in the post game. And deservedly so. But he's scum. Nobody ever lets scum live when you find them. Except scum. My argument is based on that lynching townies because they might or might not be capable of trying to win 1v15 is stupid. Killing town is stupid, that's my argument. And you see, I'm not stupid Jackal. I obviously knew from the moment I decided to oppose your plan that it would create a fuckton of pressure on a lynch by me. But without me objecting to it we would have killed 4 potential townies with little or no discussion at all. You see, even if you actually manage to push this, I'd be surprised you if you did, because this town seems to be pretty competent at the game, but if you somehow do, then at least I'll have provided the town with one last service of giving them an argument, giving them something that needed to be pushed for it to work. Quietly hopping off to the chopping block helps no one. I've helped organize town, I've FoS'd VE when there was no suspicion on him. I've advocated lynches of 2 mafia on day one. I FoS'd DropBear who then got shot by a vigilante, and I was the one who shouted for killing Mr. Wiggles instead of some other lurker like Hiro Protagonist. I've played this game well, in my own opinion. I'm proud of it, and as a last service to town, should this actually come through for you, I'm giving you something to talk about tomorrow. Players who pushed, players who sheeped. I will win this game. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On July 02 2011 06:13 Cthsazsa wrote: This whole argument about whether ViscEyes is a DT or not is major WIFOM that's cluttering up the thread, especially with the one-liners. He's not getting lynched today, he's going to help us determine who's red and who's green. I'm sure that everyone realizes he could be lying about his results, and that's obviously going to be taken into account. I actually believe that he is a DT. The only reason VE didn't completely out Varp was because his check returned blue. Why the hell is this still a controversial issue? Right now we need to be discussing possible lynches for today. Another good hit....Like Palmar, wanted discussion of VE to subside. On July 01 2011 19:10 Palmar wrote: By the way, on a completely unrelated note. I re-read everything by chaos13 I could find, but at this point I don't think he's scum. But given it's based on my analysis, this probably just means he's not a cop. Probably town Supersoft (replacement for sinani206) Cthsazsa Mig chaos13 Eiii VisceraEyes Null read gtrsrs Mataza (replaced aprudds) youngminii Jackal58 Vain ~OpZ~ Could be scum GMarshal Hyaach hiro protagonist Sinani201 AKA Nisani201 Mr. Wiggles syllogism This is just based on quick observation of the current state of the game. Note that I've listed like 6 possible scum, which obviously is never going to be correct. I'm particularly interested in Hiro Protagonist (who was accused early by now known mafia, but then just disappeared) and Mr. Wiggles (who wrote a pretty damning analysis of Hiro Protagonist). Note VE being on his "Probable Town list" On July 01 2011 18:01 Palmar wrote: I agree with almost everything that has been said so far. Great job Varpulis. About the GM thing. It's extremely unfortunate that he hasn't been shot. What he's posting right now seems genuine, but it also isn't help the town any way. There are still way too may loose ends, and as some of us have noted, part of his posting looks like his typical mafia death. I would be all for confirming him town because he is a great asset for us if he is on our side. I have great respect for GM as player. But there is simply no way we're letting him live through the game without confirming him. He has pulled way too many scummy things to do it. Yes, there are several things that point towards him being innocent, but so are there quite a few very incriminating things. It's by far the worse alternative, but he has to hang. I still strongly oppose using DT checks on the lurker list. Do you really think we have multiple mafia in there VisceraEyes? But yes, us not having a one-shot vigilante would make perfect sense, seeing the lack of shots into the lurker list. We're doing great, let's keep on track. Wiggles's points about the effect of Varp's death on VE's alignment are completely correct. This does not tell us anything about it. But at the moment I think VE is still a nice gamble for the town to trust. So we're not changing anything. Reasons to distrust palmar is he kept siding with Wiggles....I don't remember who pushed to lynch Wiggles though, could easily of been Palmar....lmao... On July 02 2011 06:11 Palmar wrote: I don't think VE requires more discussion at present. I agree with everything Mr. Wiggles just said, so let's leave his advice he final point of the discussion. Now I want to direct everyone to two very important posts in today's discussion. 1. Syllo's analysis of youngminii http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=237124¤tpage=47#927 2. My accusation and sinani206's analysis on his twin http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10085514 If people are still doubting youngminii is a great lynch candidate, then I'd like to point out that sandroba and chaos13 both suspected him. In addition Cthsazsa who is very likely pro-town has pointed a finger his way. Sandroba happens to be one of our better analysts, and chaos13 is a good solid player. So it's not just syllo who is pushing that lynch. Sinani201 is being accused by his twin, myself, sandroba pointed out the analysis was excellent at the time. There are other links. GM and Kenpachi (along with myself) both commented on how that analysis on 201 was only done when being pressured. But with chaos13's breadcrumbs, I don't think 206 (or supersoft, now) is scum. So let's hear it town, should we lynch YM or sinani201? Again, agreeing with Wiggles, and pushing YM or Sinani, WHO were both mafia targets....By Wiggles and VE On July 02 2011 06:54 VisceraEyes wrote: :O NOOOOOOOOO That means I'm in all likelihood the last DT...no pressure or anything.  @syllo and everyone concerned about the timing of my Draz check The fact of the matter is that I didn't SAVE my check, I checked him about an hour after I first could. The reasoning was based on meta, admittedly. Remember what I said about martyrs? I followed SNMMIV because SNMMII was my first game here and I bore witness to his little ploy in that game. I didn't like it then, in spite of him being town all along. I thought he might try the same nonsense in this game so I wanted to find out his alignment RIGHT off the bat. Not much of a reason, but there isn't much of a reason to do anything that early in the game...from what I gather, blues typically have to wait until after d1 to make any checks, which is AMPLE time to have sufficient reason to check someone. Also, regarding my Kenpachi vote, I've played a couple of games with this guy and I've read some too...he's active when town, to the point of annoyance sometimes. I guess I just missed the guy. It was really just a pressure vote, but I felt it was justified because of his inactivity / presence on the lurker list. If he was still on the lurker list tomorrow, he was my #1 priority to check. I'm reading over 206 and YM's posts now...I was leaning pretty town on YM before, so I'm starting with him. Same as before....Wanted YM or 206 to take the death. Good Lynch. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
 And yes, I have made mistakes. You see, when you put yourself in a position like I willingly took upon myself, you will fuck up. There is no one who plays the game perfectly Just like everyone who is trying to get me lynched are about to screw up pretty badly. I want the town to take a long good hard look at the people who are pushing this, as anyone with half a brain can tell I'm town. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
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Hyaach
Singapore1737 Posts
I'll place my placeholder vote on Eiii . I'm fine with lynching him today. But if YM doesn't suicide by tomorrow, him and GM are next on my plate. I'm willing to let Palmar slide when there's better lynch | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On July 04 2011 08:34 Palmar wrote: yep OpZ, I was the one who pushed the Wiggles lynch. People can be right even if they're scum And yes, I have made mistakes. You see, when you put yourself in a position like I willingly took upon myself, you will fuck up. There is no one who plays the game perfectly Just like everyone who is trying to get me lynched are about to screw up pretty badly. I want the town to take a long good hard look at the people who are pushing this, as anyone with half a brain can tell I'm town. Hmm I've never read arguments like *that* before. On June 18 2011 02:39 GMarshal wrote: No doubt you do. Please, ignore all my contributions and just lynch me! Seriously, make a case or don't, but don't lynch "just because" On June 17 2011 08:32 GMarshal wrote: RedFF revealed my role, I don't have any KP left, and fuck it, you know I'm almost guaranteed to be town. Lynch steff instead, Cstha has a pretty decent analysis of him written up. All I'm asking for is a little trust, for getting DB lynched at the very least. I think I earned it. On June 18 2011 04:24 GMarshal wrote: Sure Rean is town. Town =/= right. If he is town then he is getting shot tonight, because the mafia can't afford confirmed townies. Again, I don't see the issue with letting me live another night, and if we haven't won, lynching me tomorrow. Seriously, I've played super town this entire game. All I need is to make it to tomorrow, and we win, come on rean and palmar, don't make me fucking lose ;_; Right, thats where I saw "I'm town, lynching me is idiotic" before, in a similar situation. How amusing. Seems you learned something from reading PTP, namely that repetition can be as useful as a good argument. Tell me palmar, why are you so devoted to staying alive? I already said that I'm 100% fine with being bombed or shot, yet you seem *outraged* at the suggestion that we might lynch you. Again, we can exterminate lurkers, but if/when the game hits lylo, we'll know who the mafia is. Hopefully by then someone will have been kind enough to riddle me with amunition to prove my alignment. (Come on YM, don't fail me here, you know that if palmar is scum he's already setting me up as his convincing endgame mislynch, being confirmed would resolve any such doubts) | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
YM should be allowed to post his actions tomorrow no matter what, so if he gets sniped early, the flip should be delayed until his actions are in. | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On July 04 2011 08:57 syllogism wrote: Well I reread the thread and nothing really stood up. Meta points to the last one being some stubborn veteran, but none of them really make sense as the last scum. I think I'll have to vote GGQ or Eiii today. I don't think, however, we'll be hitting mafia today. YM should be allowed to post his actions tomorrow no matter what, so if he gets sniped early, the flip should be delayed until his actions are in. Fully agree. I at least hope he placed a bomb on me >.> <.< How amusing would it be if we all got placed in the lurker list?  | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
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Eiii
United States2566 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On July 04 2011 08:54 GMarshal wrote: Hmm I've never read arguments like *that* before. Right, thats where I saw "I'm town, lynching me is idiotic" before, in a similar situation. How amusing. Seems you learned something from reading PTP, namely that repetition can be as useful as a good argument. Tell me palmar, why are you so devoted to staying alive? I already said that I'm 100% fine with being bombed or shot, yet you seem *outraged* at the suggestion that we might lynch you. Again, we can exterminate lurkers, but if/when the game hits lylo, we'll know who the mafia is. Hopefully by then someone will have been kind enough to riddle me with amunition to prove my alignment. (Come on YM, don't fail me here, you know that if palmar is scum he's already setting me up as his convincing endgame mislynch, being confirmed would resolve any such doubts) I learned and I 1-upped you. I'm doing this shit as town, you see, obviously it makes no sense to do it as mafia, you'll just get killed later. Would be much better for me to simply try to be far back on the list and slowly kill off people likely to keep pushing the idea if I was mafia, then try to convince people when two or so remaining that this is getting us nowhere. Don't underestimate me, my scum play isn't this bad. All I've done is created a discussion and forced people to press the issue. And I fully expect people to keep trying that into the night. It really sucks I can't be around because I have the first day of a new job tomorrow, cause I could really turn this place into an armageddon if I could stay up. But it's past midnight here, and I need the sleep. What brings you suddenly scum-hunting into the thread GM? The opportunity to lynch a townie? If I don't randomly wake up in the night, and this fail-train takes off properly, consider this my last service to town. To force discussion. Good luck! | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On July 04 2011 09:10 Eiii wrote: In a day of no-activity-because-nothing's-happening I've gone from palm's 'Probably Town' list to 'scummy as fuck' :x yep, I changed my mind. I think you're the scum. But hey, according to Jackal and GMarshal you should be thrilled to die if you're town, sacrificed for the greater good. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On July 04 2011 08:34 Palmar wrote: yep OpZ, I was the one who pushed the Wiggles lynch. People can be right even if they're scum And yes, I have made mistakes. You see, when you put yourself in a position like I willingly took upon myself, you will fuck up. There is no one who plays the game perfectly Just like everyone who is trying to get me lynched are about to screw up pretty badly. I want the town to take a long good hard look at the people who are pushing this, as anyone with half a brain can tell I'm town. ...Yes...Look at the people pursuing your lynch...Half of us our confirmed...I have yet to vote you, I just posted a bunch of reasons to suspect you. -_- You didn't notice that? You took that kind of....drastic.. And don't get me wrong, if we lynch you and you're town I'd consider Jackal.... We've lived without this lurker mechanic before, living with it now should not be a problem. Quit your bitching guys. (and yes, i understand half the suspicious people we have are in the lurker list) MEDIC, if your out there, I would like to introduce myself. My name is OpZ. Plz protect me. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On July 04 2011 08:49 Hyaach wrote: Why are you not a good kill? I'm very Advocating your extermination. What have you done, and why should I not kill you?With a few hours left and no plan in sight, are we all going to get modkilled? I'll place my placeholder vote on Eiii . I'm fine with lynching him today. But if YM doesn't suicide by tomorrow, him and GM are next on my plate. I'm willing to let Palmar slide when there's better lynch | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
I'd kill people in this order: Eiii YM GMarshal Mataza Hyaach Jackal | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
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