EPTThis plan also makes me reconsider my opinion of jackal. Putting himself in the line of fire like this is a pretty big risk to take if he were mafia.
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Mig
United States4714 Posts
This plan also makes me reconsider my opinion of jackal. Putting himself in the line of fire like this is a pretty big risk to take if he were mafia. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On July 04 2011 06:44 Jackal58 wrote: We're not discussing anything. You're throwing out another name. Again. I think you have now FoSed everybody in the game. You're the guy that wanted to keep Viscera alive for another couple of days "To learn shit" You're the guy that wants to just kill people til we "find" scum. Ya I do think you have bussed most of your team. I think you have half the people in this game licking your boots. I think if I die before you do you will win this. If you're town you should have no problem with this idea. You really think one of the noobs remaining has the balls to try and win this on their own? I don't. If GGQ or GMarshall are scum they will play to their win condition. I think you are arrogant enough to think you can pull it off. Plus we have no DTs left to kill. Where's the fun in it for you now man? Of course I have FoS'd a lot of people, I actually have the balls to be wrong, you see, if someone was good enough at this game to always be right, the game would hardly be fun would it? And yes, I would totally lynch GM tonight, I'm just hoping YM blows him up first. And YM is another guy from this list that I'd expect to play to his win condition. Don't forget that half "of those noobs" remaining have played more than the 4 game I've played. Yes, I would believe a ton of them would go through and try to win the game even from this situation. This is why we lynch the people that are actually scummy, instead of randomly trying to kill people from a list on who would try to win. Yes, I wanted to keep VE alive, I fucked up. I am actually capable of doing what I said. I was basically not listening to him at all, just force him to lie. And you know as well as I that lying is pretty damn hard to keep up for a long while. At least, we had other legitimate targets to go for at that time. So, tonight, I want to lynch Eiii, because of the reasons stated earlier. | ||
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
Lol I change my mind. I like the idea of lynching Palmar today, Jackal tomorrow, GGQ, YM (If he still hasn't blown shit up), then GMan. | ||
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PaqMan
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On July 04 2011 07:10 Cthsazsa wrote: I like Jackal's idea. Palmar if you're town then you should have no problem dying for us. I certainly don't. Lol I change my mind. I like the idea of lynching Palmar today, Jackal tomorrow, GGQ, YM (If he still hasn't blown shit up), then GMan. Explain to me. And for now, assume I am town. What would the town gain by killing me? You see, trying to lynch me would be a perfect way to end a really good streak of town play, some of the best I've seen, from multiple players, and turn it into a disaster. Yes, I know that even if I die the town has a great chance of winning it. But if I don't die, it has an even greater chance of winning this. I don't subscribe to any theories that in any situation it can be a good thing for a town player to die. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On July 04 2011 06:53 Mig wrote: GGQ has said he would quit if he were mafia in the thread. If this goes against jackal's personal read of him combined with not changing his vote on wiggles despite being around, I would be fine switching to him if enough people would vote him. This plan also makes me reconsider my opinion of jackal. Putting himself in the line of fire like this is a pretty big risk to take if he were mafia. I see GGQ as town. What you guys call lurky on his part is actually the way he plays most games. I shall await GGQ and GMarshal's reactions to my plan before I start to push it. | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On July 04 2011 06:14 Jackal58 wrote: There are 15 people remaining. All have posted in the thread at least once since the Wiggles lynch so I think it's safe to say we are not looking for somebody that doesn't kow they are last man standing. The remaining are: sinani206 GMarshal gtrsrs Cthsazsa aprudds youngminii Hyaach hiro protagonist Mig GGQ Jackal58 Eiii Palmar ~OpZ~ syllogism Of those 15 I only see 4 of us that wold never surrender regardless of the odds. I would suggest to town that you kill us all with extreme prejudice in any manner you have left available to you. Bombs, ropes, guns or whatever you like. In any order you like. Get this game over with. Actually this isn't a terrible plan, I can run with it. I'd really appreciate it if you'd check me with a bomb, as I'm easily verifiable and I don't have to die as part of the process. YM needs to get his suiciding over with so we can clear him, and his second bomb should be on hiro or syllogism. I can go with this plan. Your objection to it palmar is... questionable. Do you see any actual flaws with this plan? | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On July 04 2011 07:36 GMarshal wrote: Actually this isn't a terrible plan, I can run with it. I'd really appreciate it if you'd check me with a bomb, as I'm easily verifiable and I don't have to die as part of the process. YM needs to get his suiciding over with so we can clear him, and his second bomb should be on hiro or syllogism. I can go with this plan. Your objection to it palmar is... questionable. Do you see any actual flaws with this plan? Of course he does. He's scum. He can't agree to it. That's the beauty of it. I think it's up to the other 11 townies to decide though. It's their game now. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On July 04 2011 07:36 GMarshal wrote: Actually this isn't a terrible plan, I can run with it. I'd really appreciate it if you'd check me with a bomb, as I'm easily verifiable and I don't have to die as part of the process. YM needs to get his suiciding over with so we can clear him, and his second bomb should be on hiro or syllogism. I can go with this plan. Your objection to it palmar is... questionable. Do you see any actual flaws with this plan? Yes, of course I do. You're scummy as fuck and can be confirmed with a bomb. I've probably played more pro-town than anyone else in this game. While the town together has worked to hit the results we have now, I'd like to think that some part of the success was mine. I am actually very proud of how I've played this game. That being said, I'm not letting you guys throw it out the window with some ridiculous shoot people on a list plan. And what do you plan to do exactly if none of the players in this list is the mafia? That's great, 4 wasted KP's that could've gone to people that actually might be scum. No, we kill the people who we think are scum, not some stupid list that might as well make no sense. I don't buy this. I don't think suggesting it is scummy, just stupid. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On July 04 2011 07:43 Jackal58 wrote: Hi Palmar. Hi Jackal. | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On July 04 2011 07:41 Palmar wrote: Yes, of course I do. You're scummy as fuck and can be confirmed with a bomb. I've probably played more pro-town than anyone else in this game. While the town together has worked to hit the results we have now, I'd like to think that some part of the success was mine. I am actually very proud of how I've played this game. That being said, I'm not letting you guys throw it out the window with some ridiculous shoot people on a list plan. And what do you plan to do exactly if none of the players in this list is the mafia? That's great, 4 wasted KP's that could've gone to people that actually might be scum. No, we kill the people who we think are scum, not some stupid list that might as well make no sense. I don't buy this. I don't think suggesting it is scummy, just stupid. You know whats funny? the "I've been more pro town than anyone" argument is what I tried to use to shoot your plan down in PTP. Didn't work for me, I don't know why it should work for you. I mean this plan is playing safe, right?  | ||
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Mig
United States4714 Posts
Your plan seems to hinge mainly on palmar being scum jackal. If we lynched palmar and he flipped town would you still be confident your plan was going to work? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On July 04 2011 07:51 GMarshal wrote: You know whats funny? the "I've been more pro town than anyone" argument is what I tried to use to shoot your plan down in PTP. Didn't work for me, I don't know why it should work for you. I mean this plan is playing safe, right? Most definitely not. Unless you're sure that everyone who isn't me, you, jackal and GGQ is scum. I even said in the PTP that I was gambling on Rean being town. This is gambling on 11 players being town, which is stupid. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
He pulls together a random list of 3 vets, and me, who he has been targeting the whole game, mostly for being too pro-town, and then just goes with it. It's one of the more risky plans I have ever seen. I want to lynch scum. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On July 04 2011 07:55 Mig wrote: The flaw with the plan is you are ignoring all the rest of the information we have this game to lynch 4 people for a pure meta reason. And if the plan fails then we would be down to like 8 people with no real new information. Your plan seems to hinge mainly on palmar being scum jackal. If we lynched palmar and he flipped town would you still be confident your plan was going to work? This is a great point. If we silently lynch four people, who are all okay with being lynched. What information do we gain if it happens to be wrong? Are you really willing to gamble the game on this Jackal58, are you willing to lose a won game because you have terrible meta reads and useless town play? I don't buy it. If the mafia isn't one of you three guys, he is probably laughing his ass of right now. | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On July 04 2011 08:00 Palmar wrote: This is a great point. If we silently lynch four people, who are all okay with being lynched. What information do we gain if it happens to be wrong? Are you really willing to gamble the game on this Jackal58, are you willing to lose a won game because you have terrible meta reads and useless town play? I don't buy it. If the mafia isn't one of you three guys, he is probably laughing his ass of right now. If we were all ok with being lynched, I would probably object, but it seems to me that you have serious issues with dying. Which is an interesting reaction. Town shouldn't be this upset about a little noose around the neck. Either way, for now I'm willing to take out Hiro/gtrs/Eiii first and worry about it later, but if we aren't making progress with the lurker lynches, I'd be more than willing to look at you again. ^_^ Off to take a nap now, talk to you all later. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On July 04 2011 08:07 GMarshal wrote: If we were all ok with being lynched, I would probably object, but it seems to me that you have serious issues with dying. Which is an interesting reaction. Town shouldn't be this upset about a little noose around the neck. Either way, for now I'm willing to take out Hiro/gtrs/Eiii first and worry about it later, but if we aren't making progress with the lurker lynches, I'd be more than willing to look at you again. ^_^ Off to take a nap now, talk to you all later. I don't want to lynch lurkers only, I sure as hell want you dead or confirmed. I don't trust you at all. I also think Jackal58 might be pushing mafia agenda, based on how useless he's been and now suggesting a plan that's completely stupid. We're killing Eiii tonight, because he's scummy as hell. We're not killing me because I'm not scummy. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On July 04 2011 07:55 Mig wrote: The flaw with the plan is you are ignoring all the rest of the information we have this game to lynch 4 people for a pure meta reason. And if the plan fails then we would be down to like 8 people with no real new information. Your plan seems to hinge mainly on palmar being scum jackal. If we lynched palmar and he flipped town would you still be confident your plan was going to work? Yep. Like I said. This plan needs to be agreed upon by those not in it. And if you enact it there is no going back. You guys stick to the plan. If it does net 0 scum then you guys have eliminated virtually everybody the remaining scum can hide behind. GGQ, GMarshal, and I are all people scum can push for a lynch. But I seriously doubt it will get that far. Palmar's biggest objection so far seems to be you guys aren't smart enough to win with out him. I think it's a town win with or without him. I would just rather see it sooner than later. I also think the remaining scum will be in the list I posted. Myself excluded but it wouldn't be fair not to put myself in that list. If I'm wrong Palmar can do the fuck you dance all around me in the post game. And deservedly so. But he's scum. Nobody ever lets scum live when you find them. Except scum. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
I'm going to reread when Varp was shot by mafia, and I suggest everyone else does too. | ||
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