EPTI sugest vig'in anyone who doesn't commit to a candidate that may actually get lynched. If you don't have time to read the fucking thread sub out. There are plenty of players in the replacement list.
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
I sugest vig'in anyone who doesn't commit to a candidate that may actually get lynched. If you don't have time to read the fucking thread sub out. There are plenty of players in the replacement list. | ||
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GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
Vigs should look into the inactives tonight, especially node seeing as he's on the zodiac list. Play or die. | ||
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vonKlaust
Sweden158 Posts
My vote will go for Syllo, for the reasons RoL stated. | ||
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Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
I suggest that we consolidate our votes to three possible lynches, to avoid letting scum hide behind outlier votes.
Is that list OK with people? Everybody should pick one, and vote for them, providing reasons as to why they are picking that person over the other two. Protest voting a lurker or somebody in no danger of being lynched is not going to accomplish anything. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On June 20 2011 04:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote: @Sinani What are your thoughts on the two major candidates, syllogism and hiro protagonist? Day 1, you stuck a vote on Kenpachi, who was most likely not going to be lynched. Now, you stick a vote on Node, who hasn't even posted today. I'm not going to question the vote at this moment (though it's silly to pressure someone who isn't there), but I'd still like to hear your thoughts on the other candidates. I'm also expecting you to change your vote by the end of the day, to a major candidate. It's throwaway to just stick a vote on a random lurker. If you wanted to make a case against Node, that would be fine, but if you're not trying to get him lynched, I don't get why you're voting for him. As for the two major candidates today, syllogism, and hiro, I'm actually liking both the cases presented so far. For the moment, I'm going to put my vote on syllogism. This is because between him and hiro, hiro's defense seems more legitimate, whereas syllogism simply calls RoL's analysis bad an doesn't address any of his actual points. It seems like he's just hoping he can slough off the accusations against him, and that we'll forget about it. ##Vote: Syllogism | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
##unvote: RebirthofLegend ##vote: Syllogism | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
On June 20 2011 04:28 Varpulis wrote: I'm still really unsure about syllogism. I've read through his posts 3 times, and I can't confidently say mafia or town. I'm leaving my vote on Hiro, at least for the time being. I suggest that we consolidate our votes to three possible lynches, to avoid letting scum hide behind outlier votes.
Is that list OK with people? Everybody should pick one, and vote for them, providing reasons as to why they are picking that person over the other two. Protest voting a lurker or somebody in no danger of being lynched is not going to accomplish anything. There's no need to explicitly state "these 3 people", it'll become a battle between them anyway. I know I posted a bunch of stuff on RoL but I never actually voted for him because it was just pressure, which seems to have made its point ^^ I'm voting for Hiro because, what can I say, he just seems really scummy to me. He's been accused by two people with separate analyses (which have made perfect sense by the way, I don't know why I didn't pay more attention to them earlier) and lol at his responses He just keeps going around being scum. I COULD give examples, but aidnai and sinani already have. My mind is undecided about Syllogism by the way. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
1) I think he's mafia. Mig said he was the number 1 target for today's lynch. If he was town I believe mafia would definitevely be sheeping on his lynch. Instead we get a huge insta bandwagon on RoL started by the same person which started the bandwagon on ILJ day1. This seems to me like a huge diversion tactic. 2) If he's not mafia (very unlikely) and assuming giraffe get's mk'ed (he should definitively be vig shot if he posts just to avoid mk today) then we will have a full flip of all suspects day1. Since most of the info we have is there, it will be a lot easier to analyse mafia's behaviour with full info on candidates. 3) Look at some of the players that are voting syllogism. There. | ||
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Shraft
Sweden701 Posts
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
Now as to the two other vote targets proposed below. On June 20 2011 04:28 Varpulis wrote: I'm still really unsure about syllogism. I've read through his posts 3 times, and I can't confidently say mafia or town. I'm leaving my vote on Hiro, at least for the time being. I suggest that we consolidate our votes to three possible lynches, to avoid letting scum hide behind outlier votes.
Is that list OK with people? Everybody should pick one, and vote for them, providing reasons as to why they are picking that person over the other two. Protest voting a lurker or somebody in no danger of being lynched is not going to accomplish anything. Hiro has two days worth of suspect behaviour, and has been on the lynch twice. IF he survives this lynch he should be getting vigi'd. Simple. Syllogism has called people out for not contributing and then barely contributed himself. He then follows it up using the excuse. On June 19 2011 05:50 syllogism wrote: It's just frustrating to even to even attempt scum hunting when play like that is tolerated from veterans. It is decidedly anti-town, even if it's more likely he wouldn't play like that as scum. Now i say this is suspect purely for one simple reason. He doesn't believe RoL would perform this way as scum, but then doesnt try to figure out why RoL is playing the way he is and still votes to kill him. He has since unvoted and has opted to analyze another player on very weak analysis. After this analysis he doesnt even back it up with a vote. Major FoS on him for now. As a new player who has a ton of expectations you don't follow through on what you expect of others, nor do you properly pressure the people you expect more from and rely on other people to do it for you. This being said your activity level throughout the day as well as attempting to do analysis (even if it was terrible but everyone starts at the bottom before learning) I am willing to give you another day to step it up. Hiro has not really done a whole lot, and the moment votes started swapping from RoL elsewhere (syllo and hiro) the thread picked up in activity from what I can see. As such it seems mafia more likely to be opposed to one of the two of these players being lynched. vote hirotheprotagonist Vigi's whichever of the two doesnt get lynched, the other should be shot. | ||
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Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
On June 20 2011 04:38 youngminii wrote: There's no need to explicitly state "these 3 people", it'll become a battle between them anyway. I know I posted a bunch of stuff on RoL but I never actually voted for him because it was just pressure, which seems to have made its point ^^ I'm voting for Hiro because, what can I say, he just seems really scummy to me. He's been accused by two people with separate analyses (which have made perfect sense by the way, I don't know why I didn't pay more attention to them earlier) and lol at his responses He just keeps going around being scum. I COULD give examples, but aidnai and sinani already have. My mind is undecided about Syllogism by the way. The list is mostly a response to day 1's lynch. Let's take a look at the final tally, shall we? On June 17 2011 12:16 flamewheel wrote: Day 1 Vote Tally Votes for ilovejonn (7): Mataza, syllogism, Shraft, DeMorcerf, aidnai, youngminii, hiro protagonist, Votes for sinani206 (3): Mig, FudgeMunkey, grassgiraffe Votes for Kenpachi (2): RebirthOfLeGenD, sinani206 Votes for Impervious (1): GGQ Votes for grassgiraffe (5): BloodyC0bbler, LandenC, Jacinto, Node, Mr. Wiggles Votes for hiro protagonist (6): sandroba, Varpulis, VisceraEyes, Kenpachi, ilovejonn, ~OpZ~, Votes for syllogism (1): Scamp Votes for Mr. Wiggles (1): Impervious ilovejonn is to be lynched. Lazorbear is to be modkilled. 8 votes that not only do nothing, but also allow scum to hide. I'd rather everybody voted for one of the leading lynches, so that we know where everybody stands. I'd even consider removing ROL from that list. He was only there because he has a bunch of votes, but the general consensus is that he's town. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On June 20 2011 04:28 Varpulis wrote: I'm still really unsure about syllogism. I've read through his posts 3 times, and I can't confidently say mafia or town. I'm leaving my vote on Hiro, at least for the time being. I suggest that we consolidate our votes to three possible lynches, to avoid letting scum hide behind outlier votes.
Is that list OK with people? Everybody should pick one, and vote for them, providing reasons as to why they are picking that person over the other two. Protest voting a lurker or somebody in no danger of being lynched is not going to accomplish anything. Seriously, why am I even on this list? | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
On June 20 2011 04:55 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Seriously, why am I even on this list? On June 20 2011 04:52 Varpulis wrote: I'd even consider removing ROL from that list. He was only there because he has a bunch of votes, but the general consensus is that he's town.  | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Night Zero + Show Spoiler + On June 14 2011 11:53 hiro protagonist wrote: anyone up for a little night time scum hunting... This is hiro's first in-game post. It speaks of an eagerness to start scum-hunting which sounds good on paper, aside from the complete lack of information to actually DO any scum-hunting. On June 14 2011 12:31 hiro protagonist wrote: @chaos: thats a lot of WIFOM in your questions. I think Varpulis has the right idea. ilovejonn has a good point to. Here is my opinion: 1. DTs: your discretion. 2. Medics: protect those that you think are strong players, Vets. 3. Vigs: dont put on you batman suit tonight. As for PMs, Im gonna save mine till daylight. I dont want to lose someone right of the bat. It goes without saying to save one PM for later in the game. The power of the PM choice gets stronger the longer the game goes on. This is his next actual content post. Please note that there's no actual content in this post at all - simply restating what others have already said in his own words. Also note the fact that he notices chaos13's post about blue activity. chaos13 died at the end of n0. On June 14 2011 13:05 hiro protagonist wrote: Yeah, lets not put all our eggs in one basket. Lets not do any plans like this. I am sure anyone with a brain can see why this is a god awful plan. On June 14 2011 13:10 hiro protagonist wrote: EBWOP: I know its night time, and thats when we talk about blue roles, but lets not focus all of our energy into "what should blues do, and mansion me plz!!!" come day, lets focus on getting to know one another. On June 14 2011 13:22 hiro protagonist wrote: hell, even if you are town, Mafia is simply gonna spam you with PMs claiming there DTs and messing with you. There are so many ways this could go wrong... Its night fucking Zero! Do not claim. No plans. That is all. On June 14 2011 16:36 hiro protagonist wrote: <-----------Zodiac List is introduced RoL's masoning has nothing to do with Sandroba's plan... he just wants people to mason him. This is the end of his contributions n0. Interesting to note: he never once takes a firm stance on anyone. He claims to WANT to vote Sandroba, says he'll PROBABLY vote for a lurker...and ends up voting for ILJ, a bandwagon based NOT on inactivity, but on suspicion (apparently). Also interesting to note, he has literally NO input on the Zodiac List that several veteran players spoke up in favor of. Doesn't even mention it. Instead, he speaks EXCLUSIVELY about the list. Day 1 + Show Spoiler + On June 16 2011 14:11 hiro protagonist wrote: Ok, I should have said hat I was gonna be gone most of the day due to the Stanly Cup finals. My bad. Would have been home sooner+ Show Spoiler + but I had to avoid the fucking riots -__- God dammit Vancouver @OpZ: I agree that some of those players look scummy. I am curtain that Mafia has all ready posted in fact. but after going though the thread, I dont see that many scum tells. There is just not enough for me to go on right now. Lets keep up the pressure on those three. FoS on Sandroba: Maybe I am reading this wrong, but Sandroba is know for Sticking his neck out with plans like the one he said. He is also really good at wiggling out of suspicion. It would make sense for scum to bate out talk on night one that would give them info on players, so they can better aim there hits. His plan did just that. So Sandroba, may I ask why you would say this on night zero? Would it not be better to wait till day 1 to bring this up? are you still interested in applying you plan? depending on his answers, I might vote for Sandroba. Otherwise, I think lynching one of the lurkers might be a good idea. On June 17 2011 06:28 hiro protagonist wrote: yeah, thing is Mig, BC is calling out those lurkers to post. It worked too. So step it up guys if you want to play. As for the lynch targets, sinani, and ILJ still look suspicious to me. ILJ more so, because his slip into lurker mode. I want to see him scum hunt, cus right now the only contribution I see from him is defending himself. However, I wont vote for him because he is under the gun, We have ample opportunity to see if he slips up, or scum tells. One person that is really flying under the radar is Impervious. So far all his post have had little substance, and smell sightly of scum. As for the lurkers, One stands out and thats grassgiraffe. The others have yet to post much but grass last post SCREAMS out "I made my vote, and I'm out". I know, because that sounds exactly like some of the lurkers in SNMMII. They would simply come in once or twice during the day and say,"yep, I agree with so and so, vote: name here". I am 90% sure he is town, and 100% sure we dont need him. come prove me wrong grass. ##Vote: grassgiraffe What I find the most interesting about this post is NOT the 'scum-slip' that most everyone else noticed. It was the safe-vote on grassgiraffe. He's been pushing Sandroba as scummy up to now, but not only hasn't presented any kind of case against him, but doesn't even vote for him. On June 17 2011 06:35 hiro protagonist wrote: @Wiggles: For the reasons I stated. If Grass comes in and says something, hell anything, that would be of an contribution, I will take my vote off him. I will urge others to do the same. If I had to vote for someone else, I would vote ILJ or Impervious. What? What about Sandroba? You've been pushing him as the most scummy so far, and you appear to just dismiss that line of thought entirely. So you don't find him scummy? You do, but find others MORE scummy? You don't think a lynch on him will be successful? Take a stance on something sir. On June 17 2011 06:39 hiro protagonist wrote: @OpZ: Yes, ILJ is indeed on radar. If he gets lynched tonight, I am fine with that. If he lives today, then I want ether him or impervious to stand trial on day2. On June 17 2011 06:46 hiro protagonist wrote: No, I rather the inactives not be here later on in the game. makes scum hunting so much easier. That's fine and well of course, if you intend to do any scum-hunting. So far, you've shown that no, you'd rather bandwagon to victory. On June 17 2011 07:27 hiro protagonist wrote: you guys make a good case for ILJ. @OpZ: I will not switch from one random lurker to another. I voted on grass for reasons I stated. also, for those that voted on some one and the only reason you voted for them is "yeah, I agree with XXX...", thats shotty play. you NEED to give your own reasons for voting for some one. not just other peoples reasons. As far as I am concerned, Grass IS the only lurker now (with ILJ being kinda lurky) If Grass shows up, then I will switch to ILJ. What I want is ILJ to show up as well. Also, just food for thought, but If someone states that they are not gonna be round much, It makes them an easy target for Mafia to mislynch... What I find interesting about this post is that he calls agreeing with people as reason for their votes "shoddy play". Why is this interesting? Have a look back at his posts. He has almost NO opinions of his own on anyone...and every 'advice' post he makes is basically restating something that 2 or 3 people have already said. On June 17 2011 07:39 hiro protagonist wrote: LOL, most of your accusations have no maret. but I will answer the few that you bring up: First of all, explain how my not voting for ILJ is total bullshit? I am 90% sure that Grass is town because he is acting like a board townie would. Any real scum would have chosen his words more carefully. You would agree, no? Lastly, no I didn't bandwagon anybody. I made a damn good post why I was voting Grass, and in that time three other people said they where voting for grass with much less reasons then I had. nice try Sandroba, got anything else for me? So begins the defense of hiro protagonist. What I didn't like about this post was that he defends his vote with "I made a post about it, and others voted with less reason, so  "People don't vote off lurkers knowing for 90% sure that they're town. People vote off lurkers because there's a VERY real possibilty of them being lurking scum. If they're not, yeah, they're not contributing anyway so it's not a HUGE loss, but the vote is made because they COULD be scum. Hiro votes GG knowing for ALMOST CERTAIN that GG is town. That's a scummy vote. Period. On June 18 2011 05:20 hiro protagonist wrote: -_____________________- I cant believe i did not realize that. FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU Well, my vote switch didn't actually change the out come of the lynch, It only made me look scummy lol. so that sucks. Let me be clear, I wanted GG to die, not ILJ. I still want GG to die... I got to learn not to say every little thing in my head, because apparently when you say more than one thing at a time people see it as a scum slip -__- This has got to be the weakest defense of a vote I've ever seen. "Oh man, I didn't notice. Not even when I typed it." Speaking of typing it: I couldn't find where he said in-thread that he was switching his vote. I looked briefly, and obviously I've been going through his posts...if it's in there, I don't see it. Just in the voting thread. I find that VERY scummy. It feels like hiding his vote. In conclusion, I feel like hiro protagonist is the best lynch candidate for today, based on his indecisive voting, scummy behavior and over-defensiveness. ##Unvote Vote: hiro protagonist | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On June 20 2011 05:02 syllogism wrote: I've to disagree with your assessment of my analysis. Perhaps the metagame here is different, but players refusing to commit into voting on people who can actually be lynched is anti-town. Also I'd like to note we still haven't seen ANY analysis from you. Are you seriously asking for another massive block of text pushing another lynch target this close to day end? Me posting any huge monster post of analysis at this moment could/would be detrimental so close to day end. That is in terms of post by post analysis. There are multiple people I could analyze for doing suspect behaviour. Youngminii for tunneling RoL but never voting for him. That post began the bandwagon that could still get RoL killed. How about LandeC for being inactive until called out, post enough to appear to be there then vanish into lurker country. I could continue this or choose one of these people and heavily analyze their posts, but at this stage in the day it is not constructive. Even if you preface the entire thing with "do not vote for this person today" if the analysis is compelling people will vote there. Then if the lynch turns out bad, it looks horrible on me. As of right now the best route for town is to stay concentrated on either you or Hiro. If the one of the two of you that is lynched flips town we vigi the other. Simple as that. | ||
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Shraft
Sweden701 Posts
Looking solely on the cases, I think that hiro protagonist should be the better lynch. However, I feel that hiro's defense has been really solid, and looking at the last few pages, he seems to be town. That is what makes this decision for me. ##Vote syllogism. | ||
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hiro protagonist
1294 Posts
RoL: what changed your mind about me? ##vote syllogism I agree that the vote should be between me and syllogism. Both act scummy, one of us is probably scum. should give us good info with the votes. I'm fine with the other being viged like BC said. I am tired of defending myself, vote for who you think is more scummy. peace. | ||
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