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syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 19 2011 08:52 GMT
#721
That's a hilariously bad case against me RoL. Do you realize that my vote on ILJ was the third placed, very early on, and when I went to bed, and the sudden grassgiraffe wagon had just appeared and ILJ was still AWOL. Hence rather than switch my vote to the 1 post lurker, which should have obviously been the path of least resistance, I kept it on the one who actually a case made against. It should have been trivial to lynch grassgiraffe when ILJ showed up and started looking more townish. Abstaining or switching in that position would have been much scummier, even if grassgiraffe eventually flips red.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 19 2011 09:32 GMT
#722
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=230789&currentpage=22#429
Just so people remember this post. You guys are quick to forget. This is the scummiest shit ever posted in this thread and I'm surprised no one is giving it proper attention.
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
June 19 2011 10:18 GMT
#723
Wow, this thread turned into a dead zone.

@sandroba, no ones forgot that post. Its the most talked about post in the hole thread. Its the most analyzed post in the hole thread. why are you bringing it up? This is derailing current conversation at this point.

Its 2:45 in the morning, and I am at a lost as what to do. I will just give you my thoughts:

1. Maybe this is because I am new, but can someone tell me whats so bad about lynching inactives when the town is this quite. 2 or 3 people have said its scummy to do so, and I am not buying it.

2. Scum are lurking. Again, look at this thread. Over half of town is skating by with minimal contributions. They are almost imposable to get a read on. My bet is 3/4 of mafia are gonna be in this group.

3. RoL has a good point. Mafia is content with the current town meta. They feel know danger. Rather than spell it out for you, take a second to think about what that means.

So in the interest of starting up conversation I would like town to give there opinions on me and on the only other lynch candidate at this time, syllogism. sense sandroba has already given his opinion of me, what is your opinion of syllogism??
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
June 19 2011 10:33 GMT
#724
Yay! I'm back!

And....

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

(Most delayed death post ever.)

Good luck town.
Cheese is good for you!
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 19 2011 10:39 GMT
#725
What exactly is it derailing if this thread is a dead zone as you said. Aidnai's case on you is quite solid

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=9798242

In addition, I'm looking into Sinani again, mostly because his only vote on day1, Kenpachi, was very poorly reasoned, lacking commitment and an extremely safe vote when at the time of his vote there were two other wagons and it was quite clear Kenpachi wasn't going to get lynched at that point.

He found both GG and ILJ suspicious/scummy

On June 17 2011 05:20 sinani206 wrote:
I got lucky, lol. You were fast too.

GrassGiraffe
Supposedly really active according to his friend.
The scummiest if only because I know almost nothing about the others.

On June 17 2011 02:38 sinani206 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2011 01:57 Scamp wrote:
Nice ninja. I was just about to post the non-vote list. Though Demorcerf did vote.

I also like it when people complain about the inactivity and then do nothing to help change it.


Sinani if you don't want to be killed in vain you should probably present a case against someone. Do you still think John is scummy?


Yeah. He defended himself early and isn't now.


Instead, he voted for Kenpachi, apparently based on this "contradiction"
On June 17 2011 05:24 sinani206 wrote:
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On June 17 2011 05:26 sinani206 wrote:
Oh yeah: ##Vote: Kenpachi

Not only is your posting worse than in any of your previous games, it is also contradictory. I mean you always lurk but this contradictory and repetitive bullshit is really scummy.

Perhaps he hasn't played with Kenpachi much, but he should know this is a null tell at best

He was around at the time of the deadline, but didn't feel like committing into voting on any of the three wagons at the time (Hiro, GG, ILJ), but still said we would be getting "valuable information" from the ILJ lynch, which is, of course, always a bad reason to justify a lynch and could even indicate he knew ILJ would flip green

On June 17 2011 10:51 sinani206 wrote:
It's too late for a counter-wagon to form, but at least we get some valuable information from the ilovejonn lynch.



syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 19 2011 10:46 GMT
#726
EBWOP: He also hasn't attempted to analyze anyone, soft defended ILJ while also trying not to antagonize youngminii and highlighted this wholly unhelpful and bad advice for blues

+ Show Spoiler +

[QUOTE]On June 17 2011 13:34 sinani206 wrote:
[QUOTE]On June 14 2011 13:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Zodiac list time.

Rebirthoflegend
BloodyC0bbler
Node
Mr.Wiggles
Kitaman
Opz
Youngminii
Scamp

Everyone should be watching players very closely on this list. We as a group will draw insane scrutiny from town and as such dt checks should be used on anyone not us. The group of us should be forced to prove our worth to town. It also provides us with a list that if there are any reds in shooting into becomes dangerous as it lowers the possible hiding spots for them. This should effectively keep veteran townies alive and kicking longer while letting medics work elsewhere.

Dts should be firing into people who are likely to be inactive, or have posted something insanely suspicious. Medics should protect anyone who is not listed above.
Note: This is for night 0 and potentially night 1 only. Past that time frame enough information should be garnered in thread for blues to act properly and the vets to properly distinguish sides.
[/QUOTE]
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 19 2011 11:23 GMT
#727
Also, his posts don't mention Hiro at all, despite him posting near the lynch deadline and the vote being close between hiro/ilj
Shraft
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden701 Posts
June 19 2011 12:11 GMT
#728
Thread is only active when I sleep. Fucking Americans.

Anyway, I am glad that RoL is back.
@hiro protagonist
I don't find lynching inactives scummy. However, it is very anti-town and pretty fucking stupid. If we decide on lynching an inactive just by virtue of his inactiveness, it is easy for Mafia to just bandwagon without providing much more reasoning than "X is inactive, I agree on lynching him." This is why inactives should be left to vigilantes. We get much more information out of our lynches if we present cases on active members and force people to take a stance.

As for the two current cases (RoL's case on syllogism and aidnai's on hiro), I think that aidnai's case on hiro is stronger, but hiro's defense seems genuine and I don't think that he is Mafia.

I don't know if I will be awake the last hours before the lynch, but I'll try to. I am not convinced by any of the cases at the moment so I'll put a placeholder vote just in case.

syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 19 2011 12:17 GMT
#729
You can't vote for yourself even as a placeholder vote
Shraft
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden701 Posts
June 19 2011 12:54 GMT
#730
Changed.
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
June 19 2011 15:00 GMT
#731
I don´t think the syllo case is damning by any means yet.
Also we are still waiting for RoLs reasons why Hiro is town.

I´m not buying the genuine reaction to suspicion. In my last game GM was let off the hook for lynching the vig who shot a mole over the confirmed antitown player who was 90% certainly scum. All he had to say is "Sorry, I take full responsibility for this mess" and everyone forgave him.
Hiro could have his buddies in his mafia circle make the perfect answers for him.

So please indulge me why Hiro is town.



+ Show Spoiler +
O a side note, the zodiac list seem to be rather fruitless(again)
Rebirthoflegend
BloodyC0bbler
Node
Mr.Wiggles
Opz
Youngminii

So far I see 2 trends with this:
1. These people can go by with doing what us mere mortals do.
2. Every night 1 on this list dies as part of scum shooting routine.
And the pressure on everyone else on this list does not increase, at least as far as I can tell.
Maybe I just have another misconception as to what zodiac lists are supposed to accomplish.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
sinani206
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1959 Posts
June 19 2011 15:06 GMT
#732
I'm at the Grand Canyon and have really bad internet, so I can only post like once every few hours, but Node is being really inactive for being on the Zodiac List.
##Vote: Node
literally everything is wifom just shut the fuck up
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
June 19 2011 16:36 GMT
#733
I take back my hiro town statement. Aidnai can attest to there being a good reason I said it earlier. So just for fun can everyone start unvoting me at the very least? I seriously still have like 5 votes.
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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
June 19 2011 16:42 GMT
#734
##vote Hiro Protagonist

define lurking in a quiet thread. It's not like killing the people with the least posts is going to get everybody posting like crazy. We make far better use of our time and lynch if we lynch to kill scum, not eliminate lurkers.

I don't buy the "he's town because his defense seems so genuine" argument. Words are words, anybody can say them. If mafia wants to look sincere, it's not that hard.

Hiro, I suggest that you bring another lynch target to the table, instead of wasting your time defending yourself.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 19 2011 16:50 GMT
#735
Unvoting, I'll vote for hiro, sinani or a lurker (which is pretty much everyone) later. Not GG though as he is completely AWOL and should be vigied no matter what at this point.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 19 2011 17:03 GMT
#736
On June 19 2011 17:52 syllogism wrote:
That's a hilariously bad case against me RoL. Do you realize that my vote on ILJ was the third placed, very early on, and when I went to bed, and the sudden grassgiraffe wagon had just appeared and ILJ was still AWOL. Hence rather than switch my vote to the 1 post lurker, which should have obviously been the path of least resistance, I kept it on the one who actually a case made against. It should have been trivial to lynch grassgiraffe when ILJ showed up and started looking more townish. Abstaining or switching in that position would have been much scummier, even if grassgiraffe eventually flips red.


Yo syllogism, so you are saying that even if you thought ILJ started to look town before the lynch, you kept your vote on him to avoid suspicion? Fuck killing scum, the point is not looking scummy?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 19 2011 17:06 GMT
#737
On June 20 2011 02:03 sandroba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2011 17:52 syllogism wrote:
That's a hilariously bad case against me RoL. Do you realize that my vote on ILJ was the third placed, very early on, and when I went to bed, and the sudden grassgiraffe wagon had just appeared and ILJ was still AWOL. Hence rather than switch my vote to the 1 post lurker, which should have obviously been the path of least resistance, I kept it on the one who actually a case made against. It should have been trivial to lynch grassgiraffe when ILJ showed up and started looking more townish. Abstaining or switching in that position would have been much scummier, even if grassgiraffe eventually flips red.


Yo syllogism, so you are saying that even if you thought ILJ started to look town before the lynch, you kept your vote on him to avoid suspicion? Fuck killing scum, the point is not looking scummy?

If you had followed the thread, I went to bed before ILJ showed up from work and specifically said if he doesn't show up to defend, we should go ahead with the lynch
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 19 2011 17:09 GMT
#738
EBWOP: or that is to say, if he doesn't show up to defend himself, we should get more suspicious, but that was the point
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
June 19 2011 17:39 GMT
#739
On June 20 2011 01:36 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I take back my hiro town statement. Aidnai can attest to there being a good reason I said it earlier. So just for fun can everyone start unvoting me at the very least? I seriously still have like 5 votes.

If I was meaner I would say "Earn it".
As fun as that would be, I won´t.
I will place my vote on Hiro for the time being.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
June 19 2011 17:48 GMT
#740
Don't then, let me die when I am obviously town. This general thread inactivity is pissing me off anyway.
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