TL Mafia XLII - Page 3

On June 21 2011 11:14 Mataza wrote:
There has to be another hit or save tonight:

Hiro suicided Node

Sandroba died.
Mafia KP was cut by one for mismodkilling aidnai yesterday.

On June 21 2011 11:30 Mataza wrote:
Alright, no I didn´t send someone else.
Nobody else claimed hit so far, that´s all I have in my favor.

I claimed veteran to my other contact earlier, just without the Sandroba telling RoL part, if that helps.

On June 21 2011 11:45 Mataza wrote:


To explain in full:

I have another contact who knew I am blue night 0 and who I told I am actually Vet day 1.
This person (hopefully) knows I contacted Sandroba. I am pretty sure I informed him.

I proceeded to randomly ask Sandroba a couple of meaningfull questions, which he thought was suspicious, so he told RoL.
After I explained to him in a way that made sense, he realised it was probably a mistake to tell RoL right away. We proceeded to call it a plan from then on.

On June 22 2011 07:58 VisceraEyes wrote:


I find it interesting how you're distorting the timeline around OpZ.

1st, OpZ pushes aidnai, based on spam.
2nd, OpZ claims indifference to lynching either aidnai, Sinani and ILJ
3rd, OpZ tunnels ILJ hard
4th, OpZ scum-switches to GG, an inactive lynch target that was already on the docket.

GTFO scum.

On June 22 2011 00:50 youngminii wrote:
stop being silly
lynching opz or rol is nothing more than a crapshoot

get a lurker, the lurkers at this stage are just scummy as all hell
landenc (and probably demorcerf) would have been modkilled for inactivity if they weren't mafia, the fact that they are keeps them coming back to make one single post

obvious lynches

On June 22 2011 01:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
Man, YM, you're ABSOLUTELY RIGHT about lurkers...if I wasn't so convinced of RoL and OpZ, I'd be all about your agenda - especially since in this game, preference was given to people with proven inactivity. But I hardly think that OpZ and RoL are crapshoots...did you even read my analysis? Did you not hear Mataza? Obviously RoL is going to say it's bullshit. He's just been as good as outed as red. Would YOU own up to it if it was you?

On June 23 2011 03:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay, I've made my final decision.

##Vote: RebirthOfLeGenD

While I hate that there's no proof of Sandroba telling RoL in no uncertain terms that Mataza is blue.

While I'm suspicious of Mataza's reaction to BC requiring proof.

There's something I can't get past.

RoL claimed Vigilante.
First of all, the outside view of Vigilantes is the exact same as scum. They kill someone at night. Second, the only time I've EVER seen someone claim vig BEFORE someone is shot and killed....is when it's scum trying to save their life. What good does claiming do if it's true? Mafia will likely role-block him, so his plan of killing FudgeMunkey is out. All it serves to do is to save himself. Furthermore, I agree with Mataza's assessment that if the Mafia wanted RoL dead, they would have killed him n2 instead of FAKING some kind of super-play, and do so knowing there's no proof.

As far as RoL's behavior, d2 he did literally just WAIT until a few hours before the deadline, then start throwing around insults until enough votes were off him. He's been actively lurking since the very beginning. I'm sure he and BC will tell you that it's because there's no point in playing until d3...but in doing so, town has literally been put in a position where we have to either trust in Mataza's plan, or believe someone as scummy as RoL to survive. If we don't hit scum today, we're dead.

And I believe RoL is scum. I believe he's been actively lurking, sniping blues (they've had EXCEPTIONAL aim), and watching 24 the whole game.

I conclude this post with something everyone should factor in.

I'm masoned with Mataza. He claimed Veteran to me d1. This means that if he's scum, he fake claimed me d1, put on a show of crumbing DT (he's not very good at it, obviously), and ultimately waited until d3 to put his fake plan. It's too much of a stretch for me. Vote RoL.

On June 23 2011 04:48 Shraft wrote:
Yes, claiming vig won't really help much at all.

Call me gullible or stupid, but I'm starting to lean more and more toward not lynching RoL. I have had this feeling all game long that he was blue or green.

On June 23 2011 05:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
I was under the impression that alignments are randomly generated. Is that not the case?

On June 21 2011 12:57 youngminii wrote:
I like the lurker attack.

Out of the lurkers, landenc seems the most scummy to me. Fudgemunkey seems like a townie that became bored towards the later stages. Vote going to landenc for now.

On June 22 2011 01:55 youngminii wrote:
yeah okay
there's quite a decent chance that they're all red

the only reason i was hesitant on lynching rol was because he's masoned to so many people
but yeah all the evidence points against him, if he ends up non-red though i will not be happy

On June 22 2011 04:03 youngminii wrote:
You gave us an alternative lynch yesterday. Fool us once, shame on you, fool us twice, shame on us.

You've had 3 days to 'dominate' and use your PM network. It seems as if your recurring theme this game is "fuck you I'll dominate this game later".

Anyway if you don't end up scum then mataza will obviously have some explaining to do.

On June 22 2011 09:25 youngminii wrote:
wiggles i'm curious as to why you put so much effort into defending RoL

then you make one line saying 'i agree with this guy'

especially when:




surely you'd have to have thought i was pretty townie if you wanted a medic to use their save on me

i don't want this to be ignored, answer it when you're here

On June 23 2011 05:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Balance cannot be used as far as I can see. Anyone got anything else? Time is ticking.

On June 23 2011 05:57 Mataza wrote:

You have a point, but as was said already, balance is a weak argument for someone to be scum or town.

The way this game presents itself to me I´m inclined to heavily question everyone on the zodiac list. I wrote down the initial reactions of the players after I claimed veteran and my plan.

And the one question I ask is, why does BC fight against my plan in order to save RoL?
He tried really hard to debunk my plan and discredit my conclusion. He then came to the conclusion that my plan is extremely convoluted and the easy explanation is that I am scum doing a really laughable play.

And that same person is the one who found Node in a sea of inactives that is half the players. By virtue of being on the zodiac list and not being helpful, unlike the other inactives who weren´t helping.

Also the vets on this list had no comments for this at all. Only Youngminii commented on this, and he is the lynch proposed by RoL.
Analysing votes was never helpful in a game without heavily debated lynchs or votelist checks.
If these people are supposed to save the town with their experience, I damn well want to see at least something.
"Newbie attacks RoL and BC, let´s analyse the day 1 and day 2 votes and distance ourself from RoL."
This is NOT what I was expecting.

On June 23 2011 06:22 Mataza wrote:
If you count balance as evidence, I have my special evidence right here:

Look, it´s almost the entire zodiac list.


I don´t believe in coincidences.
I don´t believe the results of last night just looked like my plan worked, but actually didn´t.
I don´t believe that Bloodyc0bbler actually thinks it is the best explanation that I am scum with a very questionable plan.
I don´t believe that everyone on the zodiac list has had very few comments for this and in unison think that youngminii is scum, when RoL should be under heavy suspicion again.
I don´t believe that RoL is a vigilante.


Fact is there has been no scum on the lynch block yet. Aside from RoL, all major suspects flipped innocent. RoL is the only person to get away alive from being nearly lynched.
I don´t think this is a coincidence either.

On June 23 2011 06:42 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:

I have played enough games to know it would look like a desperate mafia ploy, but it's true and I figure it's more important that you know I am a vigilante before you go murdering away your hopes of winning this game.

On June 23 2011 07:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
And a slight correction: The vets aren't voting for you because they think Mataza is wrong...not because they think you're town. There's a big difference.

On June 23 2011 10:21 Mr. Wiggles wrote:


Hmmm? Do you mean mafia's going to shoot you? Or you're going to suicide into someone? You're keeping the bomb on BC, or are you telling us because you're moving it?

Also, what made you want to claim, and aren't you afraid of RB?

On June 23 2011 10:44 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
A roleblock is only known to blues who get roleblocked and have active actions, so theoretically the reds could have just failed to ever role block a blue.