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Kurumi
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Poland6130 Posts
May 28 2011 22:09 GMT
#7
40 players? You should get a second co-host.
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Kurumi
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Poland6130 Posts
May 31 2011 17:16 GMT
#86
/in
I got a feeling
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 04 2011 21:02 GMT
#140
I think I will get modkilled in PTP,so I think I will need to out Not sure though.
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Kurumi
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Poland6130 Posts
June 05 2011 09:03 GMT
#204
Freeloader tries to justify SC2 Mafia as real Mafia experience,I'd go with noobtown,yeah.
Now lets sniff for potential bandwagoners...
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 05 2011 09:07 GMT
#205
On June 05 2011 13:47 Treadmill wrote:
It is a good spot, aprudds. We should keep an eye on freeloader625.

Jimbooo, we do have to lynch somebody. Being "hasty" isn't really a concern. And somebody with next to no evidence against them is a better lynch than everyone else with no evidence against them at all. Still, 48 hours yet.

What? Bad lynches are good lynches? Are You a stupid Rat or You're a Noobtown? Lynch is the most IMPORTANT tool town gets.
##vote Treadmill
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 05 2011 09:11 GMT
#207
On June 05 2011 14:12 Lafali wrote:
Good catch by aprudds. A townie wouldn't need to know that information. However, he could be new. There are 40 people in this game though, so its not like its mylo.

My God,so many Rats running between my legs! No,we can't lynch the guy because of one thing.
We should be suspicious WHY the bandwagon formed so FAST on such shitty evidence. It is not mylo,but we must use lynch to it's best.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 05 2011 09:16 GMT
#211
On June 05 2011 15:16 Lafali wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2011 15:09 omgCRAZY wrote:
With this being a newbies game I wouldn't be surprised that someone wants to get a handle on the game.

What I find interesting is how aprudds was so quick to get everyones attention focused on someone else and how the game has barely started and yet cherubael and Jimboo are already throwing out votes.


His subsequent posts were fishy. Due to that I hopped on the voting bandwagon along with them. Its a 40 player game, I'm sure we can afford a few mislynches. Regardless, we should continue scumhunting. We do have 48 hours.

Yeah,two SHORT posts about his SC2 mafia experience,fishy as heck."I hopped on voting bandwagon" What? Only Scum bandwagons. "I'm sure we can afford a few mislynches" WHAT THE FUCK? No,we can't afford mislynch for the sake of mislynching. Someone gives red vibes? WE LYNCH HIM. Someone made dumb question once,while Scummy Rats like You run around and we should lynch him? I will drop Treadmill for now,because You're infinitely more scummy than him.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 05 2011 09:23 GMT
#213
On June 05 2011 18:21 iGrok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2011 18:16 Kurumi wrote:
On June 05 2011 15:16 Lafali wrote:
On June 05 2011 15:09 omgCRAZY wrote:
With this being a newbies game I wouldn't be surprised that someone wants to get a handle on the game.

What I find interesting is how aprudds was so quick to get everyones attention focused on someone else and how the game has barely started and yet cherubael and Jimboo are already throwing out votes.


His subsequent posts were fishy. Due to that I hopped on the voting bandwagon along with them. Its a 40 player game, I'm sure we can afford a few mislynches. Regardless, we should continue scumhunting. We do have 48 hours.

Yeah,two SHORT posts about his SC2 mafia experience,fishy as heck."I hopped on voting bandwagon" What? Only Scum bandwagons. "I'm sure we can afford a few mislynches" WHAT THE FUCK? No,we can't afford mislynch for the sake of mislynching. Someone gives red vibes? WE LYNCH HIM. Someone made dumb question once,while Scummy Rats like You run around and we should lynch him? I will drop Treadmill for now,because You're infinitely more scummy than him.

The more that you yell,
The more attention you get.
Keep up the noise, Joe


[/sarcasm]

Even if you are town, and its too early to throw accusations out, you're playing TERRIBLY anti-town. Again, Chill.

Because I draw discussion from terrible freeloader bandwagon? I don't throw accusations out,they've slipped already. Treadmill and Lafali both advocate mislynches and not thinking before lynching. They hopped on bandwagon and they will.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 05 2011 09:25 GMT
#214
EDWOP:
I write "You" with capital Y because I feel like and it is Polish thing.
I call Scum/people I am suspicious of Rats. Get over it.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 05 2011 09:31 GMT
#216
On June 05 2011 18:28 Sprungjeezy wrote:
Kurumi, you come off as a towny that is reading too far into too little. It's important to remember that this game is full of beginners and important to remember people will try to take advantage of that, but people will still make mistakes such as hopping on a bandwagon without really thinking into it.

Time for bed for me though. Cya tomorrow.

No. Scum wants Town to mislynch. Scum wants Town not to think about other suspects. Scum wants to make Town jump on one bandwagon and deny EVERY discussion about anything else. They are doing that,not only but they're advocating that as a good thing.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 05 2011 09:33 GMT
#218
On June 05 2011 18:31 iGrok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2011 18:25 Kurumi wrote:
EDWOP:
I write "You" with capital Y because I feel like and it is Polish thing.
I call Scum/people I am suspicious of Rats. Get over it.


No haiku for this,
The point is too short for one.
Just a simple note


Do shit like this, you're going to piss people off. Pissing people off is a good way to die. Dying does not help your team at all (at least in this game). You know this, you've played several games. Don't fuck over the newbies because you want to be obnoxious.

As far as your "slips" go:

Lafali, from what I can tell, is a newbie who bandwagonned, read my post warning against bandwagons, and unvoted.

Treadmill: He said we should wait, and every point of evidence is important no matter how small. Great reason to vote him.

Point grew after I wrote the haiku :p

Scum will unvote after someone called it out to remain 'unsuspicious". Also why the heck Town would lynch person generating discussion and bringing scummy suspects? Scum would like to lynch me,but they can just kill me at night.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 05 2011 11:52 GMT
#220
On June 05 2011 20:29 Benjef wrote:
##Vote Treadmill


On June 05 2011 20:30 Benjef wrote:
##Unvote Treadmill
##Vote: freeloader625


You better post there.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 05 2011 12:40 GMT
#224
@Pyo
Because Your arguments are dumb I am going to ignore You.
A tip: In mafia XXXIX I was spreading chaos in the Town,also I was really scummy. I wasn't talkative,I was spammy. If You want any meta reads,go check PYPI and PTP.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 05 2011 13:45 GMT
#226
Jackal58 - he is very good
GGQ - I think he is there for at least short while
Me
Impervious from replacements played a bit there too
gtrsrs played one game I think.

You're not going to participating in lynching the most scummy player Pyo? While I understand place holder votes You need to know that people like me will remember that. I want to see a good post after You're back.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 05 2011 14:20 GMT
#229
By the most scummy player I meant Your suspicion. An example of good post would be an analysis pointing out the biggest slips of player X leading Town in a Scum lynch.Remember though: there's nothing wrong about being wrong(unless You're redtooth,then You commit suicide on Day 3) A good post could be summing up who attacked who and who defended who + Your thoughts about it. Everything that generates discussion is good. You must remember though,that without good evidence there's probably no point in bringing something new,because this will cause chaos.
Pyo,it is too fast for scum to bus too. Freeloader's situation is really uncertain. His small,but bandwagon is based on shitty evidence. "He asked a question,no townie would ask it!" Think for a second. What would happen if Freeloader was scum? Someone would pm him and tell him everything he needed to know,makes sense? Hell yes.
We aren't that vindictive,don't worry <3 But there are players who are magnets,namely Radfield and Kavdragon,who like to die Day/Night 1.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 05 2011 14:53 GMT
#231
Bussing is when You vote for lynch/kill Your Mafia buddy to make Yourself less suspicious/earn town cred,mostly happens when there's no way to save him/perform some gambit or wicked trickery.
Well,it is rather safe to assume that anyone who got assigned as Godfather is going to help his newbie Mafia bros as fast as possible - he is probably one of the "better" players,but this might be a mislead. Also as far I remember in my PYPI pm I had mafia list and that I can PM them etc. etc.,while it wasn't a "noob game" I strongly believe that there everything a new player should know about his role/alignment.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 05 2011 15:07 GMT
#236
On June 06 2011 00:01 aprudds wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2011 23:20 Kurumi wrote:
By the most scummy player I meant Your suspicion. An example of good post would be an analysis pointing out the biggest slips of player X leading Town in a Scum lynch.Remember though: there's nothing wrong about being wrong(unless You're redtooth,then You commit suicide on Day 3) A good post could be summing up who attacked who and who defended who + Your thoughts about it. Everything that generates discussion is good. You must remember though,that without good evidence there's probably no point in bringing something new,because this will cause chaos.
Pyo,it is too fast for scum to bus too. Freeloader's situation is really uncertain. His small,but bandwagon is based on shitty evidence. "He asked a question,no townie would ask it!" Think for a second. What would happen if Freeloader was scum? Someone would pm him and tell him everything he needed to know,makes sense? Hell yes.
We aren't that vindictive,don't worry <3 But there are players who are magnets,namely Radfield and Kavdragon,who like to die Day/Night 1.


Kurumi, you're talking for the sake of talking and stirring up too many accusations without any discussion or analysis. Talk is good, blind accusations are bad.
This makes chaos and makes it hard to focus on one thing at a time. (AGAIN)

There isn't much to go on right now. Here's what happened:

1 guy asked a dumb question. Scum Scale: *----
3 guys bandwaggonned. Scum Scale: **---
2-3 people throw around un-called-for accusations. Scum Scale: ***--

Oh, and Pyo called you out on being an ass.

If you are an experienced player like you say, you should know that rapidly throwing out multiple low impact accusations just lead to you getting ignored or lynched :/

@Pyo
You need somewhere to get a discussion started. The accusation was arbitrary, but it's the best thing there was after the roles got pmed and before the game started.
After everyone starts posting their mind on this there will be a greater pool of posts to look over.

My dumbness meter went over 9000.
Before saying "HURR DURR YOU DID NOTHING" read my posts. I brought evidence why I think they're scum.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 05 2011 15:18 GMT
#238
On June 06 2011 00:08 Jackal58 wrote:
I believe this is Kurumi's 4th game. Maybe counting a mini game.
He was lynched day one in the first game I played with him.
He has outed himself as our SK in the second game I've played with him.
Don't assume he's experienced. He's not.

I played in XXXIX then PYPI then PTP now there.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 05 2011 15:27 GMT
#240
@Vain
Let aprudds defend himself.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 05 2011 15:30 GMT
#241
EDWOP:
I meant,let him play by himself,he does not need Your help.
The evidence is simple: They support bad lynches,they say that we can waste lynches,they want Town to make quick decision which they didn't think about enough
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 05 2011 18:41 GMT
#265
On June 06 2011 03:29 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 01:27 DeMorcerf wrote:I do not understand what you mean by this, sorry. Can you clarify whether "insane" is a good thing or a bad thing in this context; and what does "tunnel the roster" mean?

Insane as in crazy. Not good at all.
Tunneling is when you pick one player and call him/her scum for the entire game.

Kurumi has taken it to an entirely new level.


Sorry but Palmar and RedFF are better at tunneling everyone than me >:C
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 05 2011 18:52 GMT
#267
Hey guys voting on freeloader bandwagon,are You willing to post? (Drazerk,grush57)
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 05 2011 19:05 GMT
#274
On June 06 2011 04:02 Lafali wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2011 18:16 Kurumi wrote:
On June 05 2011 15:16 Lafali wrote:
On June 05 2011 15:09 omgCRAZY wrote:
With this being a newbies game I wouldn't be surprised that someone wants to get a handle on the game.

What I find interesting is how aprudds was so quick to get everyones attention focused on someone else and how the game has barely started and yet cherubael and Jimboo are already throwing out votes.


His subsequent posts were fishy. Due to that I hopped on the voting bandwagon along with them. Its a 40 player game, I'm sure we can afford a few mislynches. Regardless, we should continue scumhunting. We do have 48 hours.

Yeah,two SHORT posts about his SC2 mafia experience,fishy as heck."I hopped on voting bandwagon" What? Only Scum bandwagons. "I'm sure we can afford a few mislynches" WHAT THE FUCK? No,we can't afford mislynch for the sake of mislynching. Someone gives red vibes? WE LYNCH HIM. Someone made dumb question once,while Scummy Rats like You run around and we should lynch him? I will drop Treadmill for now,because You're infinitely more scummy than him.


I'm new to mafia forum games like this and mostly used to smaller and faster-paced ones where taking a risk on a mislynch is pretty common as long as the game is not mislynch-lose. The subsequent posts from treadmill seemed fishy and people started to vote for him and at that point he was the only one looking suspicious to me. However, after reading more into the thread it seemed like a bad idea to vote so early, and it would be better to wait for any tells, and then on day two, cop reports.

Treadmill is suspicious to You? You both are doing the same thing. Also thanks for excuse,I enjoy eating them. Because they're yummy. Why would DT report on Day 2? It is an easy target for Mafia,even when med protected they can just stack on him. Why are You spreading bad ideas?
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 05 2011 20:37 GMT
#301
On June 06 2011 05:33 supersoft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 01:32 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
DeMorcef thanks a lot, how do you check it? or do you just remember?
+ Show Spoiler +


1. Munk-E
2. blackone
amazingxkcd
6. teamsolid
8. Alderan
10. Drazerk has voted but not posted
15. TranceStorm
18. monsterDrakar
21. supersoft
23. Xedat
24. grush57
25. Date_Reaper
26. CjrNinja
33. Clicker
34. Kairo
36. gtrsrs
38. tdAdonis
40. GGQ


UPDATED LIST plz ignore the previous one, credits to morcerf <3


this list doesn't tell anything about the people on the list... Maybe they're just lurking like I was.
You can delete me from that list btw.

This post can be treated like it never happened,You know? What are Your thoughts on freeloader bandwagon? Who's Your scum suspect #1?
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 05 2011 20:54 GMT
#303
On June 06 2011 05:52 supersoft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 05:37 Kurumi wrote:
On June 06 2011 05:33 supersoft wrote:
On June 06 2011 01:32 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
DeMorcef thanks a lot, how do you check it? or do you just remember?
+ Show Spoiler +


1. Munk-E
2. blackone
amazingxkcd
6. teamsolid
8. Alderan
10. Drazerk has voted but not posted
15. TranceStorm
18. monsterDrakar
21. supersoft
23. Xedat
24. grush57
25. Date_Reaper
26. CjrNinja
33. Clicker
34. Kairo
36. gtrsrs
38. tdAdonis
40. GGQ


UPDATED LIST plz ignore the previous one, credits to morcerf <3


this list doesn't tell anything about the people on the list... Maybe they're just lurking like I was.
You can delete me from that list btw.

This post can be treated like it never happened,You know? What are Your thoughts on freeloader bandwagon? Who's Your scum suspect #1?


I don't have a scum suspect on day1. It's too early to judge anyone.
It's just not reasonable to randomlynch someone in the first round, before we got to know each other a little bit.

We can't no lynch. There needs to be a lynch every Day.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 06 2011 14:28 GMT
#417
I wasn't inactive and not paying attention to the thread because I was lurking. I just finished reading the posts and I am glad that iGrok has given us something to discuss,while gtrsrs brought us some evidence versus him. Also pat me on the shoulder when You'll come to my house with Your magnifying glass to check who am I,DT I want to give You a high five. I don't fear coming as Townie to You also I will update my vote-list and maybe get something from it.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 06 2011 14:34 GMT
#419
On June 06 2011 23:28 Xedat wrote:
I also want to stress that I am pretty sure that freeloader is town and that we should lynch someone else.
lynching freeloader won't help us.
I don't think that any of the people currently high in the vote are obvious scum, but freeloader is very certainly not scum.

As for now,freeloader does not look a scum. Though we can't clear anyone on Day 1. I strongly believe if he is Mafia,he will slip later and turn our Green River into Red Marsh.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 06 2011 14:50 GMT
#423
On June 06 2011 23:48 Benjef wrote:
Hm, I'm starting to fall off of this Freeloader band wagon. But hes only had the one post to try and protect himself? And I still don't see the point of him asking the question if he didn't apply to him.

And besides Kurumi why are you protecting him so much?

Because it's terrible lynch based on "he asked question townie would never ask" evidence. His lynch will give no info and there are more scummy people here to lynch.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 06 2011 14:54 GMT
#425
On June 06 2011 23:53 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 23:50 Kurumi wrote:
On June 06 2011 23:48 Benjef wrote:
Hm, I'm starting to fall off of this Freeloader band wagon. But hes only had the one post to try and protect himself? And I still don't see the point of him asking the question if he didn't apply to him.

And besides Kurumi why are you protecting him so much?

Because it's terrible lynch based on "he asked question townie would never ask" evidence. His lynch will give no info and there are more scummy people here to lynch.

Who? I'm not calling Freeloader scum I'm asking you who in your opinion is scummier?

Are You smurfing? @_@ I responded to Benjef and got Jackal's response?
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 06 2011 14:59 GMT
#429
Oh,about voting:
People who voted on freeloader625 and not switched(ever):
cherubael
teamsolid
grush57
People who voted on freeloader625 then swtiched:
Treadmill(vote->unvote->vote again)
Drazerk -> Treadmill
Jimboo -> unvote
Lafali -> unvote
People who switched on freeloader625:
Benjef Treadmill -> freeloader
I will try to dig why they have voted on freeloader/changed their votes/dropped the case.
The scummiest guy? As for now,it would be Lafali;gtrsrs case is the thing I will get into in a quick moment,because there's a bit of content to analysis,but mostly when "weaker' player attacks "stronger" player it is overeager Townie versus Townie.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 06 2011 15:07 GMT
#433
On June 07 2011 00:03 Jackal58 wrote:
No answer Kurumi?
Who in your opinion is scummier than freeloader? That's your assertion not mine.
Unable or unwilling to answer because you know the answer?

I feel confused because I don't what I am exactly supposed to answer here,I pointed out that Lafali is my #1 scummiest read right now,but I need to look into gtrsrs' case. Please,make the question easier because I totally don't get it @_@
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 06 2011 15:12 GMT
#438
On June 07 2011 00:09 iGrok wrote:
Hey Xedat, can you add non-voters to your list please?

Munk-E
Blackone
amazingxkcd
TheKK
TranceStorm
Sprungjeezy
freeloader625
TheAwesomeAll
rookie44
Date_Reaper
CjrNinja
Senj
DeMorcerf
Vain
Jackal58
Clicker
iGrok
tdAdonis
aprudds
GGQ
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 06 2011 15:15 GMT
#441
ARRRRRRRRRRRGHHH Don't edit Your posts! You can even quadruple post here. I just posted the thing iGrok wanted,that's a lot of non-voting people,but keep in mind that some of them actually posted a bit.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 06 2011 15:17 GMT
#443
Oh I just remembered that Meapak said that there's no smurfing at all,my bad. Just drop that,I misunderstood Jackal. While gtrsrs case is interesting,Treadmill posted a lot of fluff posts and I will need to go through them too.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 06 2011 15:19 GMT
#447
Oh also guys,does day end in like 40 minutes? We need to lynch someone in Free's place,God damnit. This way I will get into Treadmill's case now and ask for DT check on gtrsrs at night.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 06 2011 15:36 GMT
#461
So let's compare CrjNinja's thoughts here and Treadmill's here
The thing that is seen from the very beginning is that Treadmill's post lacks colours,while Crjninja takes stance about some people and calls them town or scum. Treadmill's expressions about people are really vague:
    He thinks that Jimboo is unexperienced,that's all
    He does not understand cherubael's case,but does nothing to defend/talk about it at all.
    He looks like he has strong believing on grush57,but does make any move to prove us that he indeed slipped Mafia.

There are more things about his "Day 1 thoughts" but those are the most interesting ones.
He also prods lurkers again,like it wasn't done before,but does not vote on them,just notices.
After 30 minutes,he drops his "strongest case" versus grush57 and comes back to freeloader(he did not even mention him in his "first" post,even when he was his MAIN suspect a while ago!)
A short brief why I think Treadmill is Scum:
    He is being wishy-washy
    He is afraid to take stances and get linked to someone
    Chainsaw defends himself with attacking Lafali,Lafali chainsaw defends himself with attacking Treadmill,when they're both after same things(we can afford mislynching,it is not too bad to mislynch a couple of times just for sake of it,freeloader's case is strong as hell)
    His posts are full of fluff,keep in mind that his "Day 1 Thoughts" came after CrjNinja ASKS about them.

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On June 06 2011 12:47 Treadmill wrote:
One really big point - if you're going to quote a really long post it'd be great if you could put it in spoiler tags (just a formatting issue but helps to clean up the page a fair bit). Meaning you, iGrok.

@CjrNinja
Can you confirm that the role PM for mafia members spells out that mafia can communicate by PM? If this is true than obviously mafia wouldn't post that question and I'll change my vote from freeloader. Otherwise, though, he seems even more scummy to me now. I didn't vote for him cause he asked a silly question, it was how he replied to scrutiny. Since then, he hasn't posted in the thread at all. And I can confirm that he's been on TL - check his post history, he's posted a whole bunch in today's MLG live report. Either he's scum and waiting for suspicion to die down or he's town and has given up and resigned himself to getting lynched.


Yeah,freeloader is not posting here. Something we didn't notice yet. Oh,also that PM derailing bullshit coming through couple of pages,jeez.
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On June 06 2011 13:05 Treadmill wrote:
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On June 06 2011 12:54 CjrNinja wrote:
I can't confirm what the actual role PM said for mafia members. But looking back through this thread I did find:

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On May 30 2011 01:33 Varpulis wrote:
On May 30 2011 00:34 blackone wrote:
On May 29 2011 06:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
PMs
PMs are not allowed in this game.

This confuses me because from the other Mafia threads I read I feel that PMs are a pretty important part of the game. In particular, how is the scum supposed to operate without PMs?

To clarify: The no PMs rule does not apply to scum. They are still allowed to communicate outside of the thread. Town aligned and third party roles must keep everything inside the thread, however, for the sake of balance and to keep the game fun for everybody.


So it's already been addressed during the signup stage. Freeloader was probably just lazy and didn't read through the entire thread.

Hrrrm. That doesn't stop him from being lazy mafia. If mafia members received the info about being allowed to PM in their role PM, then only town wouldn't definitely know that and so only a town would ask. BUT if the information is not explicit in the role PMs, then town and mafia could equally easily not know (and not read fully the OP) and so someone asking could still be either. Does that make sense?

I guess the only people who'd know for certain which it is would be the mafia (who won't show us their role PM to prove it) and the mods (who won't say cause it'd affect the game). Doesn't escape the fact that freeloader, who has been in the lead to be lynched, has been online without posting here at all. Which makes me suspicious.


Some theories about Freeloader being scum but being too lazy to play with his scumbuddies,yeah yeah,he's really good player and he plays one-man army. Point about him avoiding the thread is valid,but it looks that freeloader is not afraid of dying.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 06 2011 15:45 GMT
#462
On June 07 2011 00:28 Sprungjeezy wrote:
I have been getting a scum vibe from Kurumi and I really think we need to get some "good" discussion going.

Defends freeloader - easy townie rep without missing out on possible lycnh (there was no way this would go through regardless)
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On June 05 2011 18:03 Kurumi wrote:
Freeloader tries to justify SC2 Mafia as real Mafia experience,I'd go with noobtown,yeah.
Now lets sniff for potential bandwagoners...


Treadmill says to keep watching freeloader and says something stupid and gets a vote from Kurumi in hopes of a counterbandwagon
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On June 05 2011 18:07 Kurumi wrote:
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On June 05 2011 13:47 Treadmill wrote:
It is a good spot, aprudds. We should keep an eye on freeloader625.

Jimbooo, we do have to lynch somebody. Being "hasty" isn't really a concern. And somebody with next to no evidence against them is a better lynch than everyone else with no evidence against them at all. Still, 48 hours yet.

What? Bad lynches are good lynches? Are You a stupid Rat or You're a Noobtown? Lynch is the most IMPORTANT tool town gets.
##vote Treadmill


*Kurumi votes Treadmill 18:07] then 10 mins later changes to Lafali 18:17 posts this between the 2*
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On June 05 2011 18:11 Kurumi wrote:
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On June 05 2011 14:12 Lafali wrote:
Good catch by aprudds. A townie wouldn't need to know that information. However, he could be new. There are 40 people in this game though, so its not like its mylo.

My God,so many Rats running between my legs! No,we can't lynch the guy because of one thing.
We should be suspicious WHY the bandwagon formed so FAST on such shitty evidence. It is not mylo,but we must use lynch to it's best.

Notice the "bandwagon formed so FAST on such shitty evidence". Irony in the reason for changing his vote (even more so for the reasoning for his first vote).

Here he
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On June 05 2011 18:23 Kurumi wrote:
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On June 05 2011 18:21 iGrok wrote:
On June 05 2011 18:16 Kurumi wrote:
On June 05 2011 15:16 Lafali wrote:
On June 05 2011 15:09 omgCRAZY wrote:
With this being a newbies game I wouldn't be surprised that someone wants to get a handle on the game.

What I find interesting is how aprudds was so quick to get everyones attention focused on someone else and how the game has barely started and yet cherubael and Jimboo are already throwing out votes.


His subsequent posts were fishy. Due to that I hopped on the voting bandwagon along with them. Its a 40 player game, I'm sure we can afford a few mislynches. Regardless, we should continue scumhunting. We do have 48 hours.

Yeah,two SHORT posts about his SC2 mafia experience,fishy as heck."I hopped on voting bandwagon" What? Only Scum bandwagons. "I'm sure we can afford a few mislynches" WHAT THE FUCK? No,we can't afford mislynch for the sake of mislynching. Someone gives red vibes? WE LYNCH HIM. Someone made dumb question once,while Scummy Rats like You run around and we should lynch him? I will drop Treadmill for now,because You're infinitely more scummy than him.

The more that you yell,
The more attention you get.
Keep up the noise, Joe


[/sarcasm]

Even if you are town, and its too early to throw accusations out, you're playing TERRIBLY anti-town. Again, Chill.

Because I draw discussion from terrible freeloader bandwagon? I don't throw accusations out,they've slipped already. Treadmill and Lafali both advocate mislynches and not thinking before lynching. They hopped on bandwagon and they will.


He is angry that Treadmill and Lafali vote for lynching so easily, but he himself has voted several times.

I go on to post that he has been reading too far into things, he says it is what a good townie does. And says the Scum want tonwies to jump on band wagons. But I feel that it is incredibly distracting and scummy to throw around votes and accusations without any solid discussion. Unless others agree with me I'm not even going to bother to vote just yet.

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On June 05 2011 18:31 Kurumi wrote:
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On June 05 2011 18:28 Sprungjeezy wrote:
Kurumi, you come off as a towny that is reading too far into too little. It's important to remember that this game is full of beginners and important to remember people will try to take advantage of that, but people will still make mistakes such as hopping on a bandwagon without really thinking into it.

Time for bed for me though. Cya tomorrow.

No. Scum wants Town to mislynch. Scum wants Town not to think about other suspects. Scum wants to make Town jump on one bandwagon and deny EVERY discussion about anything else. They are doing that,not only but they're advocating that as a good thing.

Am I scum who needs to get lynched asap or am I just a suspect? Take a stance before accusing me. Also always glad to see people defending Lafali and Treadmill,because we will have easy red lynches after they flip red.
Also how defending freeloader is free townie rep? Is there something I don't know? Oh,You're scum saying that Freeloader is town? Thanks bro,is Freeloader cleared now?
I didn't hope for counterbandwagon,where is anything indicating that? I wanted Treadmill to step up his posting and tell me why he thinks random lynches based on bad evidence are good.
Keep in mind,that's my evidence : Treadmill and Lafali say that Freeloader lynch is good,while it is based on BAD evidence,only scum wants to get easy lynch off. How is this shitty evidence in Your opinion? A bandwagon storming from the first hour of the day because someone asked a question is SUSPICIOUS and won't lead into anything helpful. Your ending is weird. "I won't go for Kurumi's case myself" Does that mean You're saying Your evidence on me is bad? Thanks,I probably shouldn't even make this post.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 06 2011 15:46 GMT
#463
Also,You're contradicting Yourself. Freeloader said something dumb,that's a good case,let's burn him! When Treadmill does say something "dumb" and I vote him,that's very weak case?
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Kurumi
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Poland6130 Posts
June 06 2011 15:48 GMT
#464
Sorry for quadruple post,going to check the gtrsrs' case now,because that's kind of hot-topic.
Good that we have more time.
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Kurumi
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Poland6130 Posts
June 06 2011 16:13 GMT
#467
On June 07 2011 01:06 Benjef wrote:
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On June 07 2011 00:49 iGrok wrote:
Goddamnit Kurumi I don't know if you're town or scum. PICK A SIDE DAMNIT

I'm equally confused.

Tell me why,such statement brings nothing into discussion. While iGrok might be waiting for something,You still need to contribute,Benjef.
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Kurumi
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Poland6130 Posts
June 06 2011 16:22 GMT
#468
On June 06 2011 16:04 gtrsrs wrote:
here is my scum hunt
you post haiku's in a game where posting anything more than necessary is distracting and derailing
you try to find the town's blues so that the mafia can know what they're up against
the one thing that the town has as an advantage is that the mafia doesn't know our PRs and here you are spelling the info out for them

even if you're not mafia, your two biggest contributions so far are anti-town

everyone i encourage you to ##vote: iGrok and watch how he (and others) react as the votes pile up. putting the pressure on someone is a good way to find mafia. watch the people that come to defend him and how they do so and then when he flips red, go after them next

Haiku's had nothing in them besides repeating what iGrok is posting,so this is really weak thing to pick on. Also think about it,would Mafia post their possible list of blue roles in public? No,because they're the only guys who really need to know about it. Teaching new people how role distributions probably works is a good read,it helps You understand mechanics behind how the game is balanced. What are the "Two biggest contributions"? Haiku's weren't big. Role talk isn't that anti-town in that case. Is his analysis on me anti-town? Really?
Then there's that HUGE case Gtrsrs has against iGrok. It all depends on Gtrsrs,if he drops it any time,he is probably scum (prplhz in PTP did that,although he wasn't mafia he played really badly and indicated that he is scum) The thing I hope for is that gtrsrs as townie didn't get vigilante. Those things end up ugly (lol@Viscera killing BC Day 1 in PTP) I understand You have a case,I understand that You're sure that iGrok is scum,but please don't overreact. Make a good case,ask questions,bring strong evidence and we may look into Your accusations.
In my opinion,Gtrsrs is Overeager Townie.
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Kurumi
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Poland6130 Posts
June 06 2011 17:08 GMT
#473
On June 07 2011 01:49 Xedat wrote:
@kurumi:
I read through all of treadmill's posts, he is not wishy washy.
He clearly stated why he voted for freeloader and stayed with his vote. How is that wishy washy?

He did not. He dropped his case for a while,then came back to it.
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Kurumi
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Poland6130 Posts
June 06 2011 17:15 GMT
#475
On June 07 2011 02:07 gtrsrs wrote:
i am role-less townie, unafraid to die in order to get mafia lynched. i am 95% sure that iGrok is scum. all of his posts convey this forced self-importance - it's kind of like the guy who is the "real estate king" in american beauty. if you remember, he quotes to the main character's wife carolyn: "in order to be successful, one must always project an image of success at all times." iGrok is doing everything in his power to draw attention onto himself and trying to associate himself with the proclaimed pros of the game. he's trying to project an image of skill so you'll sheep behind him.

i refuse to analyze people just because any of you want me to analyze them. me analyzing pyo doesn't prove anything because i don't have a scum read off of him.

a townie should never be afraid to die if he will take a mafia down with him (as long as you aren't a power role, that is). a 1:1 trade helps town a lot more than it helps mafia. that being said, i'm more than willing to take an extra day before we kill iGrok. people who are convinced that one of me, kurumi, and iGrok is mafia, go ahead and lynch me today, then when i flip vanilla townie, go after the scum tomorrow

I am not up for KavCaprio lynch,sorry. Your case isn't strong enough for me.
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Kurumi
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Poland6130 Posts
June 06 2011 18:04 GMT
#481
On June 07 2011 03:00 Jackal58 wrote:
If Freeloader flips scum Kurumi is scum. If Freeloader flips town it means nothing.

That means Town had luckiest lynch ever,Jackal58.
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Kurumi
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Poland6130 Posts
June 06 2011 18:07 GMT
#484
On June 07 2011 03:06 Jackal58 wrote:
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On June 07 2011 03:04 Kurumi wrote:
On June 07 2011 03:00 Jackal58 wrote:
If Freeloader flips scum Kurumi is scum. If Freeloader flips town it means nothing.

That means Town had luckiest lynch ever,Jackal58.

I've seen plenty of scum hang on day 1.

After a case was made based on question asked by a newbie?
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Kurumi
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Poland6130 Posts
June 06 2011 18:11 GMT
#487
On June 07 2011 03:08 iGrok wrote:
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On June 07 2011 02:56 Alderan wrote:
On June 07 2011 02:53 iGrok wrote:
On June 07 2011 02:43 Vain wrote:
On June 07 2011 02:31 iGrok wrote:
On June 07 2011 02:11 Vain wrote:
Ok, i finally finished reading. Man, sleeping is bad for keeping up with a mafia game.

First off: Kurumi is probably town if he also spammed this much in a previous game where he was scum. I don't know his style very good but he is drawing way too much attention to be a comfortable mafia.



I don't quite understand this. So Kurumi is probably town because he's acting the same way he did when he was mafia before?


Euh, i meant town. Jackal stated that when he was town he's just as hard to analyze. Iirc he was not scum the other games Jackal played with him.


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On June 07 2011 00:19 Jackal58 wrote:
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On June 07 2011 00:15 amazingxkcd wrote:
On June 06 2011 10:47 Alderan wrote:
Here's a list of a couple people who seem to be acting a little scummy. (Not saying for sure scum, just people that might not be) Lets get some meaningful conversation going.

Amazingxkcd

I've already kind of voiced this opinion but I'm going to expound upon my earlier analysis.

Let's look at his posts.



It is quite clear that it can be seen who are the main talkers for both side. The only question is now how to distinguish between the two sides and how to act upon it


This post, obviously vague, of little help to the town, and posted directly after he appeared on TheAwesomeAll's “Lurker List”.

When I pointed out this was a fishy post he responded with this:

interesting first post there, all ready trying to set up accustation upon me for supposedly making a scummy post when in reality i am only simply making observation. You already got into my list of suspicious people by derailing a innocent first post when we still have around 30+ hours left to figure out each other.



Obviously immediately went on the defensive, turned and pointed a finger at me, and suggest that the town take its time “figuring each other out” instead of having discussion that is inherently pro-town.

In fact his only “contribution” to town discussion was this post:


Please refer to these guides on playing TL mafia.

For town: aidnai, GMarshal

For mafia: bumatlarge, chaos13 

LSB's Newbie Guide
Mafiascum Newbie Guide
Introduction to Mafia (Flash)
Ver's town guide
Ace's Mafia Manifesto
Qatol's Town Guide


So his only contribution to the town is copying and pasting something that is in the third post of this thread? Interesting.







On June 06 2011 23:10 Alderan wrote:
Also, I'm going to ahead and voting for amazingxkcd, just in case something happens to me at work today and I won't be able to get a vote in.

@ amazingkcd, I'm really just waiting on you to refute the analysis I did earlier.


You are discriminating against me and you just voted for me right now just off the basis of my first post, which i made after i finished watching MLG. You do not provide evidence that i am a scum nor do you back it up should you have given any evidence. It seems that you want me to be lynched when i am trying to win for the town.

@iGrok and @Jackal58;

I can't analyze Kurumi either, since i take that he's acting as if he has multiple personalities disorder. He should be watched for sure. Also, @Jackal58, you stated that he had the same behavior in the previous games you played with him, what were his roles? That should at least help to give us a direction on him. I am not trying to label you two as complete scum, but i was just concerned about iGrok's request for help from Jackal58.

About freeloader, I am currently leaning towards the scummy side as for the reasons others have put up front already, but i need more time to see if i do want to lynch him. There are others here who seem suspicious based on their posts and the tone of their post, but i am not ready right now to make a final desicion.



Kurumi was town in XXXIX. Lynched day one for posting nonsensically for the first half of the day.
He has improved significantly from that game believe it or not.
He is also still playing in PTP mafia and is a self proclaimed SK.

Ok, yeah that makes a lot more sense.

Yeah, I'm starting to see how Kurumi could be a townie, but I could also see him as a scum who felt the pressure and is trying to change his tune. I still don't thing he should be lynched today. I'm trying to think of who should be, but I really don't know :/



But you agree that it shouldn't be freeloader?

Yeah. Here's my "Don't Lynch" list (in no particular order):

Me ^^
Jackal58
Vain
GGQ
Kurumi
Treadmill
35spike1
CrJninja
Xedat
aprudds

Actually, looking back, I'm going to put my vote on Drazerk, for twice voting without saying shit. (He might've posted once or twice, but absolutely no substance, only bandwagonning).

That's pretty big list. Care to explain why those people shouldn't be lynched?
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Kurumi
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Poland6130 Posts
June 06 2011 18:42 GMT
#496
On June 07 2011 03:40 TranceStorm wrote:
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On June 07 2011 03:34 iGrok wrote:
On June 07 2011 03:28 gtrsrs wrote:
iGrok did a 28000 character analysis and determined that kurumi was scum, and less than a day later, before he even had time to convince anyone to vote for kurumi, iGrok now has kurumi on his "don't lynch" list.

duly noted

Because, as I noted in that post, I wasn't sure. Combined with Jackal's testimony and Kurumi's abrubt change in play, I'd prefer a DT check on him. You know, exactly what I said in that post

Hmm. As amazingxkcd has already noted, a DT check wouldn't reveal much about Kurumi. If Kurumi were mafia, he certainly would be selected as the godfather given that the mafia select amongst themselves on night one who the godfather is. Therefore, regardless of whether he is or isn't mafia, we still will have no clue on Day 2 as to his alignment because he could have been town-aligned to begin with, or switched to town-aligned through his godfather powers.

I'd kill myself as mafioso if I were GF.
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Kurumi
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Poland6130 Posts
June 06 2011 19:21 GMT
#516
GUYS GUYS
We need to get a proper lynch moving. I think we should discard gtrsrs and freeloader.(They will slip if they're mafia) We're really undecided who to lynch. There has been no real case against anybody and I'd rather stay with my Treadmill vote. The bad part about Treadmill's lynch is the fact I am kind of pushing for it and You don't want to listen to me (despite two people I believe) I strongly suggest moving votes from freeloader. His lynch will give us nothing.
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Kurumi
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Poland6130 Posts
June 06 2011 21:27 GMT
#542
On June 07 2011 06:01 Jackal58 wrote:
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On June 07 2011 05:47 TranceStorm wrote:
On June 07 2011 05:38 Jackal58 wrote:
You guys want to vote for scum? Vote this guy - rookie44:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=9611408

Has played before so he has an idea how it works.
Very subtle in his fishing for blues. Only scum fish for blues.
Wants to know what methods and tactics are used to catch scum.
Wants us to share them with everybody.
Claims it will help derail scum tactics. When it will obviously do the opposite.

Has all but disappeared since this post. I'm sure he'll show up momentarily to tell me how full of shit I am.

That's where my vote is going. I would recommend you all do the same.

Would you mind doing a post-by-post analysis of rookie44's posts? (There are only 3) Right now I can't really see how subtly he is fishing for blues. After all, we don't know how experienced he really is, so I would like a little more clarification as to your accusation.


We'll start with the post I linked:

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On June 06 2011 04:22 rookie44 wrote:
Hey guys,

This is all getting a bit out of hand, we seem to already be getting in each others faces over perceived (and real) sleights. I have only played mafia on battle.net, and this is going to be quite a different game to that.
Only real difference is timing. Tactics are the same

What i believe is the crucial difference is that we have large amounts of time for discussion. This also gives us the time to create a solid plan for using whatever roles we have effectively (it would seem that way).
This is role fishing. He's wanting people to post their roles and tell him how they intend to use them. At the very least he's hoping a noob would post something along the lines of I'm a DT. Who should I check

Maybe some of the more experienced players could expand on what investigative stratagies they have used; their pitfalls, and how we may evade those pitfalls.
This is saying "I am scum. How are you guys going to catch me? It's called a scum slip

Perhaps an added benifit will be that it will be very tricky for a mafia to come up with a generalized stratagy that is grounded in reason, so maybe there will be some suspiciously quiet people. (I assume it will be difficult for a generalized stratagy becasue i can only see the mafia being able to take advantage of a specific stratagy by getting their peolpe in the right places).
This is just bullshit trying to provide a townie reason for asking.

My analysis in red.
This guy is scum.

I think point about role fishing and avoiding getting caught is the strongest evidence we have brought yet. Pity I didn't search what lurkers did and focused on more active people This all makes sense from scum perspective - apologize;make excuse to get less attention,then proceed to Your "real" thing. I worry though; he can be a DT. It looks like it is the most solid case thus far though.
##Vote rookie44
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Kurumi
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Poland6130 Posts
June 06 2011 21:45 GMT
#546
On June 07 2011 06:43 Pyo wrote:
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On June 06 2011 23:55 Jackal58 wrote:
On June 06 2011 23:54 Kurumi wrote:
On June 06 2011 23:53 Jackal58 wrote:
On June 06 2011 23:50 Kurumi wrote:
On June 06 2011 23:48 Benjef wrote:
Hm, I'm starting to fall off of this Freeloader band wagon. But hes only had the one post to try and protect himself? And I still don't see the point of him asking the question if he didn't apply to him.

And besides Kurumi why are you protecting him so much?

Because it's terrible lynch based on "he asked question townie would never ask" evidence. His lynch will give no info and there are more scummy people here to lynch.

Who? I'm not calling Freeloader scum I'm asking you who in your opinion is scummier?

Are You smurfing? @_@ I responded to Benjef and got Jackal's response?

I asked you a question based upon your assertion. Problem.

Just remember DT's if you check the GF you will get a townie return.


Yay! I do have internet on the cape.

The mafia can frame a townie too, also there could be millers. In both situations a townie would return as scum.

There's no Framer in this setup.
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Kurumi
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Poland6130 Posts
June 06 2011 21:45 GMT
#547
EDWOP:
actually godfather can frame someone,my bad
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June 07 2011 13:02 GMT
#690
Remember guys: Lafali and Treadmill,despite approving same things tried to distance eachother.
This way,Treadmill is still scum in my eyes. Will write more after I get through this mess.
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Kurumi
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June 07 2011 14:28 GMT
#696
On June 07 2011 22:46 35spike1 wrote:
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On June 07 2011 22:26 blackone wrote:
On June 07 2011 22:02 Kurumi wrote:
Remember guys: Lafali and Treadmill,despite approving same things tried to distance eachother.
This way,Treadmill is still scum in my eyes. Will write more after I get through this mess.

What "things" were they both approving? Treadmill was one of the few people trying to stop that rookie bandwagon.

I know Lafali and Treadmill were both on the Freeloader wagon, I'm not sure of how else they're related.

They both advocated mislynches and said that we can spare mislynches and mislynching isn't that bad at all.
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Kurumi
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Poland6130 Posts
June 07 2011 14:32 GMT
#697
On June 07 2011 13:16 Treadmill wrote:
2 mafia getting modkilled is nice, means they're down to 3 KP. On the other hand, we're probably out of medics. Which means the mafia gets to kill pretty much whoever they want.

Hey look! rookie44 was a blue! What a surprise! I'm gonna point out that I totally called that. But not to brag - if I saw it, someone in the mafia probably suspected him of being blue too. In fact it's a little more obvious to them cause they could rule out rookie being red. So i'm even more convinced that the mafia managed to swing that lynch.

I'm pretty comfortable saying that Senj, amazingxkcd, and Kurumi are mafia. To a more experienced player (iGrok or Vain preferably) what would you think of out vigi's shooting at them tonight? I'm maybe 80 or 90% sure, but I'd want someone with more experience to comment.

Sure You knew he was blue,because he wasn't Your scumbuddy and talked about blues(You know what that does mean,because You read the XXX mafia analysis) You weren't the only person to call that rookie is/might be blue. In fact,I said that I have a feeling that he might be a DT,close enough. Sorry,but You're copy-pasting/paraphrasing things people said before and selling those as Yours.
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June 07 2011 14:33 GMT
#698
EDWOP:
Also why the fuck we need Your brag? "I KNEW HE WAS BLUE"(that means I am Townie right know guys,but since I am scum I am laughing my ass off)
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June 07 2011 15:39 GMT
#701
On June 08 2011 00:37 Xedat wrote:
I want to remind everyone that it is night, don't post anything too critical or it will influence the mafia's hits. If you are concerned that you might die save your post for the last few minutes before day.

I hope they target me. Best way to waste their shot <3
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June 07 2011 18:49 GMT
#714
On June 08 2011 03:37 Impervious wrote:
Treadmill - he tried to get everyone to switch away from rookie, and I've been getting a pretty solid town vibe from him the entire game. He's not someone I want to die right now.
A bandwagoner with some heat under his feet tried to earn some easy town cred. He has read the XXX Mafia analysis and knew "Blue slips",the only difference between Townies and Scum is that,Townies can still interpret blue fishing as scummy move or as blue seeking help. Treadmill is scum: that way he IS SURE that Rookie44 is blue at this point. An easy move to earn town cred using his scum information

Impervious,You are defending Treadmill too hard.. (read red in quote)
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June 07 2011 20:41 GMT
#726
Oh cmon,don't try to push for KavCaprio lynch tomorrow.
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June 08 2011 13:36 GMT
#786
Oh,nice two lynches we've got there. So iGrok says that I tunneled him(gives no evidence),defends himself hardcore. Tries to tie me to gtrsrs,although tries to clean himself from Him-Pyo link. Meanwhile,Treadmill is derailing town with huge-ass post which probably has nothing infromative that number of xkdcd's posts. Treadmill is probably having some coached posts after my drill into his "mislynches are ok" blunder.
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June 08 2011 13:37 GMT
#787
that number = than number
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June 08 2011 13:38 GMT
#788
Nice guys that You're trying to tie me to people btw,what's next? False DT check claim?
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June 08 2011 13:42 GMT
#789
On June 08 2011 21:42 iGrok wrote:
Haven't read it yet, but I'm going to go ahead and nominate Treadmill for the "Best Rookie (no pun intended) Award".

Hats off to you, doing analysis like a boss, standing up for what you think, and making really good reads on people (like the aforementioned Rookie).

You're joking. Walls of text like that on one player are useless. When You or Treadmill flips red I am sure the other is scum. Now You'll try to convince us how green Treadmill is and bring points like:
He defended rookie44! - Sure he did,all of us saw blue/scum slips. But he as scum knows that was a blue player. Easy town cred.
He made a detailed analysis! - Wall of text noone should bother to read,I'll make it shorter:
Treadmill attack xkd and soft-attacks me. Tries to tie me and xkd.
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June 08 2011 13:45 GMT
#790
Also,how the fuck is Jackal not "scum" in Your damn bad opinion,given that it was the guy to start the rookie44 lynch going? Your logic is flawed,well,Townie logic. Because You're scum.
Lol@*VOTES WERE POSTED IN 5MINUTE PERIOD*
Nulltell. No scum would give out itself like this.
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June 08 2011 15:59 GMT
#805
Any vigis seeking help who to shoot next night? grush57 wants to get shot badly.
Just check out his vote history - freeloader625 "I stupidly joined on bandwagon"
Then gtrsrs -
On June 07 2011 05:08 grush57 wrote:
I'm pretty sure gtsrs is scum. He is keep accusing people with little info and keep saying he will risk his life, even though he would be scrambling to save himself if he was up to be lynched.
Therefore, I vote gtsrs.

Townie does not need to risk anything.
Then he "silently" votes xkdcd.
The post I brought up is the only post which is not one-liner he did not post. He discussed nothing,jumped on bandwagons and made OMGUS vote on Gtsrs.
For our today's lynch,lies from iGrok are sufficient for me to get him lynched.
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June 08 2011 16:02 GMT
#806
On June 09 2011 00:58 grush57 wrote:
Alright, I'm going to say that amazingxcd is scum, for he is not responding to any accusations and lynched a medic and had no clear evidence that rookie was scum.

This is an amazing case,I can't agree more!
Not. You're a terrible poster and horrible scum. You haven't made any case against him Yourself. You're just active lurking and joining on any potential bandwagon. There was clear evidence on rookie44:blue fishing,though it can go either way(confused blue or scum). People who backed off and defended rookie44 hardcore are most likely scum. Treadmill is scum. iGrok is highly likely the GF.
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June 08 2011 16:54 GMT
#811
Why is everyone forgetting about Jackal and listing everyone who voted on rookie besides him,this is confuses me a lot,lol.
Also ask questions. I try to improve as much as I can. Can't deduce something out of my posts? Ask,I'll straighten them up and make them "readable". I dislike being ignored when I am not mafia,really. I loved it in PYPI,but here it is unnecessary.
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June 08 2011 17:08 GMT
#819
On June 09 2011 02:07 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2011 01:54 Kurumi wrote:
Why is everyone forgetting about Jackal and listing everyone who voted on rookie besides him,this is confuses me a lot,lol.
Also ask questions. I try to improve as much as I can. Can't deduce something out of my posts? Ask,I'll straighten them up and make them "readable". I dislike being ignored when I am not mafia,really. I loved it in PYPI,but here it is unnecessary.

If we lynched a person every time they are wrong we'd have to lynch you 35 or 40 times today.

Not saying that You're scum,just that's an interesting observation that they blame everyone besides You.
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June 08 2011 17:15 GMT
#823
On June 09 2011 02:01 grush57 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2011 01:02 Kurumi wrote:
On June 09 2011 00:58 grush57 wrote:
Alright, I'm going to say that amazingxcd is scum, for he is not responding to any accusations and lynched a medic and had no clear evidence that rookie was scum.

This is an amazing case,I can't agree more!
Not. You're a terrible poster and horrible scum. You haven't made any case against him Yourself. You're just active lurking and joining on any potential bandwagon. There was clear evidence on rookie44:blue fishing,though it can go either way(confused blue or scum). People who backed off and defended rookie44 hardcore are most likely scum. Treadmill is scum. iGrok is highly likely the GF.


Fine, Ill just lurk like the other 30 people and jump on bandwagons like the other 30 people, otherwise every time I try to say something everybody else tries to jump on me.

You said absolutely nothing and brought nothing to discussion. I won't leave You alone.
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June 08 2011 17:26 GMT
#827
On June 09 2011 02:21 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2011 02:08 Kurumi wrote:
On June 09 2011 02:07 Jackal58 wrote:
On June 09 2011 01:54 Kurumi wrote:
Why is everyone forgetting about Jackal and listing everyone who voted on rookie besides him,this is confuses me a lot,lol.
Also ask questions. I try to improve as much as I can. Can't deduce something out of my posts? Ask,I'll straighten them up and make them "readable". I dislike being ignored when I am not mafia,really. I loved it in PYPI,but here it is unnecessary.

If we lynched a person every time they are wrong we'd have to lynch you 35 or 40 times today.

Not saying that You're scum,just that's an interesting observation that they blame everyone besides You.

I cannot control who anybody blames for anything. I was wrong. I'm over it. Move on.
If you wish to call me scum because I blew an analysis fine. It wasn't the first nor will it be the last time I fuck up.
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On June 07 2011 09:30 Jackal58 wrote:
I want to encourage all of you to think critically and independently.I have seen to many games where town herp derps themselves into oblivion by following one individual. If you have misgivings and doubts about my analysis on rookie by all means bring it up for discussion. If you believe you have found a better alternative by all means bring it forward.

I still stand by that.

When I was changing my vote on rookie44 I stated that it was the strongest case made on Day1. The evidence was valid enough for me to go after that lynch. I won't call You scum because there is nothing to back this off. Townies are prone to make mistakes - unless they stop discussing, everything is valuable.
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June 08 2011 18:11 GMT
#831
Xkcd,As for I don't think Your lynch is proper,but if You could please do something? I am thinking about contributing. You know, many people accused You of being inactive in discussion and not expressed Your opinions freely. I'd like You to bring Your points on some people again - a quick, but informative summary would help a lot. Including opinion on iGrok lynch(or save) is something I'd like to hear too.
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June 08 2011 18:36 GMT
#836
On June 09 2011 03:31 aprudds wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2011 03:24 Sprungjeezy wrote:
On June 09 2011 03:13 aprudds wrote:
On June 09 2011 03:09 Sprungjeezy wrote:
We need to either lynch iGrok today, or a vig needs to shoot him tonight. He is the biggest threat right now.

As for the "I can't understand you formatting" bullshit. It's pretty straightforward, I spoilered the posts he made, and wrote what it meant outside of the spoiler. 4 quotes were broken and the rest is clear. Honestly only scum would dismiss analysis as "QQ can't read" when its written in plain english.


No it's bad. Please have some common curtsy instead of shoving your head up your ass. Thank You.

Sorry if I'm harsh but I can't respect this post.


Common curtesy? Sir, I spent quite some time (2+ hours) on that post, but inside of Microsoft Word all of the code blends together and I could not find the error, meanwhile you spend 30 seconds covering up for your scum buddy and tell me to correct my post.


Then what's another 30 seconds to hit the preview button and look it over? Your being stubborn and you know it.

Are we having argument about broken quote tags? Really? Lawl. Sprung,just quote Your post and "fix" it,lol.
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June 08 2011 18:48 GMT
#840
Don't mention guides You read to Impervious,they'll try to avoid errors based on what You've read.
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June 08 2011 18:51 GMT
#841
EDWOP:
I don't accuse Impervious of being scum,but that's kind of fishing. Mafia already has info advantage,don't give more info they don't need. Impervious,that's horrible idea to say everything about Yourself. We are dead sure there's at least one experienced player in Mafia team who'll look into people's meta and try to deduce if they bare the same role this game.
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June 08 2011 19:07 GMT
#845
On June 09 2011 04:02 Impervious wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2011 03:51 Kurumi wrote:
EDWOP:
I don't accuse Impervious of being scum,but that's kind of fishing. Mafia already has info advantage,don't give more info they don't need. Impervious,that's horrible idea to say everything about Yourself. We are dead sure there's at least one experienced player in Mafia team who'll look into people's meta and try to deduce if they bare the same role this game.

I want to see if they're accustomed to the style of Mafia that TL plays. It's very different from the type you'll find on battle.net, which has become pretty common.

Plus, I am kind of fishing with this data. I want to go back and see if there's some scumslips based on what people don't know.

So basically Your thought goes like "I will collect the data about scumslips they know about and after that I will add those they don't know about yet"?
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June 08 2011 19:24 GMT
#848
On June 09 2011 04:21 Senj wrote:
Back from lunch and it's time to finish up my thoughts on Jimbooo.

Spoiler: Aprudds post calling out Jimbooo for hopping on both the bandwagon votes. Page 30.
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 07 2011 09:59 aprudds wrote:

@rookie Are you serious? At least defend yourself man. Your the start of the Jackel tunnel and this is your defense? Step it up man.

@ jimbo
Hello Jimbo it seems your eager to jump on bandwagons. A BIT TOO eager no?

First you jump on the freeloader bandwagon after "patting me on the back", and when the heat turns up a bit you jump off.

You disappear for a few hundred posts (200s-500s) with little to no defense and when you pop back with this being your only defense.
+ Show Spoiler +
Sorry for not replying to accusations against me , I really didnt know what to say. My vote was way to early , which was the reason i retracted it. I don't have anything else to say at this point.


Next when Jackel starts to put on the heat on rookie you jump on that one as well. With not a single post explaining why. Not even a simple "I agree", or a "that makes sense". Just a simple silent vote. Someone is trying to avoid attention.

+ Show Spoiler +
I accidentally posted my last post without finishing , sorry. Im not sure if freeloader was TRYING to be suspicious with his last post , but after thinking it through I think he is probably just new. That small amount of evidence got a discussion started , but I think people also voted slightly hastily. It looks very suspicious that so many people voted for freeloader right after he was accused.


Yes, it looks very suspicious that people voted hastily. I guess you would agree I have ample reason to FOS you then eh?


TL;DR (since I know you don't seem to like reading)
Neither me nor Jackel had a very good case (my case on freeloader was not even a case at all) and yet you are more than eager to jump on bandwagons.
You have almost no defense for your earlier behavior
You don't justify your lynches.
Your past self would agree that your suspicious


You sir get my vote.



His last post on Teamliquid was a vote for rookie45 on June 7th. He didn't give any post explaining his reasoning for rookie.

Well shit. I was looking forward to digging deeper in to this, but there's nothing left. Where are you Jimbooo?


Since You're ok with lynching lurking people who vote without any explanation/shitty explanation are You agreeing with me on vigi shooting grush57?
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June 08 2011 19:38 GMT
#852
@TranceStorm
Grush57 voted gtrsrs when he was having that huge argument with iGrok. Many people have been disagreeing with gtrsrs and showing some suspicion on him.
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June 08 2011 19:39 GMT
#853
EDWOP:
People also brought Drazerk's case which looks like a mirror of Jimboo,would he be a good vigi target too? Keep in mind that it is planning ahead, so if there's anything more important than that You should focus on it.
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June 08 2011 19:59 GMT
#857
Small disclaimer:
Guys,paste Your post BEFORE You vote.
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#860
On June 09 2011 05:18 grush57 wrote:
Alright guys, I'm sorry for my previous posts and I'll try to be a little bit analytical now(or however you spell it). I was just frusturated of everybody jumping on every little thing of my posts.

Wanna be friends?
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June 08 2011 20:37 GMT
#867
On June 09 2011 05:35 grush57 wrote:
So, the people on the freeloader bandwagon even right before the lynching were cherubael, benjef, teamsolid and blackbone. The only one that was non lurking was cherubael, and only in the very beginning. Like we all know, mafia tends to be quiet and try to all go on a bandwagon to lynch a random townie(assuming he was).

So, those are some of my guesses, but not necissarily saying that they are or aren't scum.

You're getting into the zone,but we need more! If You're attacking someone make sure it does sound well and will convince us.
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June 08 2011 20:42 GMT
#869
On June 09 2011 05:36 gtrsrs wrote:
also, in my long post just above, when i said
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2011 05:30 gtrsrs wrote:
i'm not going to read the thread any more today.



i meant i'm not going to post in this thread any more today

inb4someonecallsmealiarandtriestoLAL

Gtrsrs,damn You're showing some teeth now,Your accusations are more convincing now.
Also:
I would suggest that the "idea" of "good" players being GF might be good.
GGQ is already dead : flipped town
iGrok is probably getting lynched
I am Townie.
Jackal58 is Jackal. He is hard to analyse,but very straightforward.

Remember that GF can "pick" his role for the game to show in DT checks. It might be highly likely that GF picked Veteran and will try to play "I got hit" card or DT and bus team mate. Remember that Your DT checks can't be 100% sure because every night we will have one person framed. If that person is suspicious/needs confirm You might even check them twice to be sure.
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June 09 2011 17:18 GMT
#956
Xkdcd,thanks for such good post - since You've never stated anything about players, that's precious that You have done so. I'd really want to see the rest of Your opinions - gtrsrs and aprudds are the most interesting for me, though couple of words about iGrok would help a lot since we're discussing his lynch in Your place. That's odd that my "Townie" result is because I can defend myself and most of non-scum people are agreeing with me, it makes me happy though, because it is correct!
I hope You're going to discuss even more, I want my opinion of You being Townie to stay a long while, perhaps for the entire game.
iGrok I hope You'll jump in to the discussion,as for now Your surrender screams scum seeking last stand.
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June 09 2011 19:43 GMT
#967
@TheAwesomeAll
He is not suspicious because of arrogant play,he was passive and tried to lead the town. While he was a huge voice,he never led the town to do anything much. He certainly fears getting connected to any incorrect lynch or behaviour.
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June 09 2011 19:47 GMT
#968
On June 10 2011 04:44 blackone wrote:
##Vote: amazingxkcd

You gotta go far,kid.
Not.
Guess one bullet between Your puny little coward eyes will teach You something?
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June 09 2011 20:12 GMT
#972
On June 10 2011 05:05 blackone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 04:47 Kurumi wrote:
On June 10 2011 04:44 blackone wrote:
##Vote: amazingxkcd

You gotta go far,kid.
Not.
Guess one bullet between Your puny little coward eyes will teach You something?

I'd love to answer you, but I'm not exactly sure what you're accusing me of. Or what I need to be teached.

Joining on bandwagon without explanation,Puny Rat.
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June 09 2011 20:23 GMT
#974
On June 10 2011 05:21 blackone wrote:
I have nothing new to contribute to the accusations against amazingxkcd and I don't see the need for making a post with "hey guys, just so you know, gonna vote amazingxkcd now".

Thanks,I won't even regret shooting Your puny scum face.
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June 09 2011 20:32 GMT
#979
On June 10 2011 05:32 grush57 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 05:12 Kurumi wrote:
On June 10 2011 05:05 blackone wrote:
On June 10 2011 04:47 Kurumi wrote:
On June 10 2011 04:44 blackone wrote:
##Vote: amazingxkcd

You gotta go far,kid.
Not.
Guess one bullet between Your puny little coward eyes will teach You something?

I'd love to answer you, but I'm not exactly sure what you're accusing me of. Or what I need to be teached.

Joining on bandwagon without explanation,Puny Rat.

You didn't say that to the people who joined on the iGrok bandwagon without explanation.

I can't catch'em all,who am I,Professor Oak?
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June 09 2011 20:35 GMT
#980
EDWOP:
By this I meant I can't track everyone on real time joining bandwagons without explanation. Noticing this as fast as he posted got me an instant answer.
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June 09 2011 20:40 GMT
#981
On June 10 2011 05:29 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 05:23 Kurumi wrote:
On June 10 2011 05:21 blackone wrote:
I have nothing new to contribute to the accusations against amazingxkcd and I don't see the need for making a post with "hey guys, just so you know, gonna vote amazingxkcd now".

Thanks,I won't even regret shooting Your puny scum face.


Both players have pretty evidence leading to believe they are both scum iGrok may be a higher priority for some but i don't see why you want to jump down this guys throat for picking one of the two Scum

Because we can't allow scum to blend in any bandwagon. It is really easy to bus and take credit for it "I was on the right side of the lynch". Everyone suspicious who jumps on bandwagon needs to get called out and pressured.
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June 09 2011 21:23 GMT
#989
On June 10 2011 06:21 aprudds wrote:
Alright xkcd, I can't really wait much longer for your defense, and as such I'm voting for you. I might change it depending on what you post.

He posted huge thoughts on almost every player. It is highly likely that now he is busy and will be later. Did You read the thread?
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June 10 2011 10:31 GMT
#1115
You morons. You lynched the guy WHO DEFENDED himself and left the guy who said "fuck You" and went afk. Your IQ is smaller than cabbage with EHEC. Congrats on lynching blues,There's Vigi time now. Shoot grush57,Treadmill and Jackal/iGrok depending on Your read. Treadmill's flip will give A LOT of info while grush is "lol I am scum that's why I don't ever say anything".
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June 10 2011 10:34 GMT
#1116
On June 10 2011 13:19 Treadmill wrote:
Well hell. And I thought it was a pretty open and shut case. Dammit. I know this'll put suspicion on me from some people, my credibility is certainly shot. I really don't have anything to say except that I honestly thought he was red.

One thing is Kurumi comes out of this smelling like a rose. At least, xkcd definitely checked up on him last night and he definitely showed town. Could be gf, maybe, but I somewhat doubt it.

Gonna have to do some thinking tonight. Hrrrm.

You and Your scum buddy iGrok made the same move on rookie44 lynch,the difference is:
I am Town.
You are freaking scum.
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June 10 2011 10:37 GMT
#1117
Oh,we got iGrok lynch anyways,cool. Then probably Treadmill was being framed,but I will still have an eye on him.
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June 10 2011 10:43 GMT
#1118
Sorry for all of this,at school I was only searching for lynch post and did not see the "correct' one. I think it would be unbalanced to give Jackal and iGrok on one team, so lets assume Jackal is town for now. I'd like You to keep looking on gtrsrs too. Treadmill was the guy who defended/was with iGrok,while gtrsrs was hardcore on iGrok's case. Gtrsrs could've setting a late bus for town cred, while Treadmill could be just a noobie townie supporting him being framed. Since Treadmill's flip won't be as good as it would without iGrok flip I strongly suggest to shoot of grush57 and Jimbooo(?) Drazerk was one of those crazy "I JUMP BANDWAGON LOL" people, right? He might deserve a shot too. Still, if You're a vigi and there's someone suspicious to You and You feel like You might be doing a right thing,do it. Just don't do things like VisceraEyes in PTP. He killed Goddam Batman.
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June 10 2011 11:53 GMT
#1124
On June 10 2011 20:01 Pyo wrote:
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On June 10 2011 19:43 Kurumi wrote:
Sorry for all of this,at school I was only searching for lynch post and did not see the "correct' one. I think it would be unbalanced to give Jackal and iGrok on one team, so lets assume Jackal is town for now. I'd like You to keep looking on gtrsrs too. Treadmill was the guy who defended/was with iGrok,while gtrsrs was hardcore on iGrok's case. Gtrsrs could've setting a late bus for town cred, while Treadmill could be just a noobie townie supporting him being framed. Since Treadmill's flip won't be as good as it would without iGrok flip I strongly suggest to shoot of grush57 and Jimbooo(?) Drazerk was one of those crazy "I JUMP BANDWAGON LOL" people, right? He might deserve a shot too. Still, if You're a vigi and there's someone suspicious to You and You feel like You might be doing a right thing,do it. Just don't do things like VisceraEyes in PTP. He killed Goddam Batman.



i really hope you're never a vigi in any mafia i play. You really are insane (and incoherent). Given that town is "winning" right now (3 mafia including the GF are dead, while up to 8 townies will be dead at the end of the night), we can afford to wait on using our vigis (assuming there even are vigis) - especially considering it's better to kill no one than to kill a townie.

These people are suspicious/don't add anything to the game. That's two things we want to get rid of:suspicion and people who don't give a damn to play good as town(or are mafia) One of those three people is Your scum buddy or what? I would like to see a more sound argument that shooting at least one of these guys is bad.
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June 10 2011 12:08 GMT
#1127
On June 10 2011 21:06 Pyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 20:53 Kurumi wrote:
On June 10 2011 20:01 Pyo wrote:
On June 10 2011 19:43 Kurumi wrote:
Sorry for all of this,at school I was only searching for lynch post and did not see the "correct' one. I think it would be unbalanced to give Jackal and iGrok on one team, so lets assume Jackal is town for now. I'd like You to keep looking on gtrsrs too. Treadmill was the guy who defended/was with iGrok,while gtrsrs was hardcore on iGrok's case. Gtrsrs could've setting a late bus for town cred, while Treadmill could be just a noobie townie supporting him being framed. Since Treadmill's flip won't be as good as it would without iGrok flip I strongly suggest to shoot of grush57 and Jimbooo(?) Drazerk was one of those crazy "I JUMP BANDWAGON LOL" people, right? He might deserve a shot too. Still, if You're a vigi and there's someone suspicious to You and You feel like You might be doing a right thing,do it. Just don't do things like VisceraEyes in PTP. He killed Goddam Batman.



i really hope you're never a vigi in any mafia i play. You really are insane (and incoherent). Given that town is "winning" right now (3 mafia including the GF are dead, while up to 8 townies will be dead at the end of the night), we can afford to wait on using our vigis (assuming there even are vigis) - especially considering it's better to kill no one than to kill a townie.

These people are suspicious/don't add anything to the game. That's two things we want to get rid of:suspicion and people who don't give a damn to play good as town(or are mafia) One of those three people is Your scum buddy or what? I would like to see a more sound argument that shooting at least one of these guys is bad.



Yep, Jimbooo is totally my scum buddy. Oh wait, he's already been modkilled and flipped green. If anyone is being suspicious and isn't anything to the game, it's you. In case it isn't clear, you just suggested to vigi kill someone who is already dead and flipped green.

Jimbooo was modkilled too? The second guy was tdAdonis,right? I really suck at reading today,lol. Sorry then. Grush57 and Drazerk are still suspicious and I'd shoot Grush57 unless he starts contributing.
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June 10 2011 12:12 GMT
#1130
On June 10 2011 21:11 Pyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 20:53 Kurumi wrote:
On June 10 2011 20:01 Pyo wrote:
On June 10 2011 19:43 Kurumi wrote:
Sorry for all of this,at school I was only searching for lynch post and did not see the "correct' one. I think it would be unbalanced to give Jackal and iGrok on one team, so lets assume Jackal is town for now. I'd like You to keep looking on gtrsrs too. Treadmill was the guy who defended/was with iGrok,while gtrsrs was hardcore on iGrok's case. Gtrsrs could've setting a late bus for town cred, while Treadmill could be just a noobie townie supporting him being framed. Since Treadmill's flip won't be as good as it would without iGrok flip I strongly suggest to shoot of grush57 and Jimbooo(?) Drazerk was one of those crazy "I JUMP BANDWAGON LOL" people, right? He might deserve a shot too. Still, if You're a vigi and there's someone suspicious to You and You feel like You might be doing a right thing,do it. Just don't do things like VisceraEyes in PTP. He killed Goddam Batman.



i really hope you're never a vigi in any mafia i play. You really are insane (and incoherent). Given that town is "winning" right now (3 mafia including the GF are dead, while up to 8 townies will be dead at the end of the night), we can afford to wait on using our vigis (assuming there even are vigis) - especially considering it's better to kill no one than to kill a townie.

These people are suspicious/don't add anything to the game. That's two things we want to get rid of:suspicion and people who don't give a damn to play good as town(or are mafia) One of those three people is Your scum buddy or what? I would like to see a more sound argument that shooting at least one of these guys is bad.


Also, you are totally wrong here. The reason town doesn't like people who are suspicious is that they might incorrectly kill them, not because they want them dead!!!

People who are about to get killed start to get really talkative,You know? Unless they're scum. As iGrok has shown us.
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June 10 2011 12:18 GMT
#1132
On June 10 2011 21:16 Pyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 21:12 Kurumi wrote:
On June 10 2011 21:11 Pyo wrote:
On June 10 2011 20:53 Kurumi wrote:
On June 10 2011 20:01 Pyo wrote:
On June 10 2011 19:43 Kurumi wrote:
Sorry for all of this,at school I was only searching for lynch post and did not see the "correct' one. I think it would be unbalanced to give Jackal and iGrok on one team, so lets assume Jackal is town for now. I'd like You to keep looking on gtrsrs too. Treadmill was the guy who defended/was with iGrok,while gtrsrs was hardcore on iGrok's case. Gtrsrs could've setting a late bus for town cred, while Treadmill could be just a noobie townie supporting him being framed. Since Treadmill's flip won't be as good as it would without iGrok flip I strongly suggest to shoot of grush57 and Jimbooo(?) Drazerk was one of those crazy "I JUMP BANDWAGON LOL" people, right? He might deserve a shot too. Still, if You're a vigi and there's someone suspicious to You and You feel like You might be doing a right thing,do it. Just don't do things like VisceraEyes in PTP. He killed Goddam Batman.



i really hope you're never a vigi in any mafia i play. You really are insane (and incoherent). Given that town is "winning" right now (3 mafia including the GF are dead, while up to 8 townies will be dead at the end of the night), we can afford to wait on using our vigis (assuming there even are vigis) - especially considering it's better to kill no one than to kill a townie.

These people are suspicious/don't add anything to the game. That's two things we want to get rid of:suspicion and people who don't give a damn to play good as town(or are mafia) One of those three people is Your scum buddy or what? I would like to see a more sound argument that shooting at least one of these guys is bad.


Also, you are totally wrong here. The reason town doesn't like people who are suspicious is that they might incorrectly kill them, not because they want them dead!!!

People who are about to get killed start to get really talkative,You know? Unless they're scum. As iGrok has shown us.


so are you saying you are spamming because you are about to die? I'm utterly and completely confused by you.

I was actively reacting to what I've read in the thread,I am sorry. I will try to keep my thought until I read entire one. GGQ was doing same thing. The thing is: When people are about to get lynched we want them to start talking,contribute to same themselves. We need to pressure people who come in to the thread just to say "hi I am voting for X because Y stated why".
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June 10 2011 12:20 GMT
#1134
On June 10 2011 21:19 blackone wrote:
That's true, but saying "you're scum, i'll kill you" is not very pressuring, because you can't kill people.

Since when You know that I am not Vigilante?
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June 10 2011 12:30 GMT
#1136
On June 10 2011 21:25 blackone wrote:
Since you start screaming around pretending you are.

Damn,You've got me. That's why I am asking,derp.
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June 10 2011 12:44 GMT
#1138
On June 10 2011 21:40 Pyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 21:30 Kurumi wrote:
On June 10 2011 21:25 blackone wrote:
Since you start screaming around pretending you are.

Damn,You've got me. That's why I am asking,derp.


An insight into Kurumi's psyche.

Very funny. Not.
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June 11 2011 09:44 GMT
#1201
On June 11 2011 18:39 heist wrote:
It's easy to say that Treadmill's analysis is dead wrong in hindsight. I can completely understand defending iGrok at that point in time. I personally wanted to avoid another bandwagon lynch. And you guys have to admit that you were presenting a very biased analysis which if looked at in another light could have just as easily held iGrok as townie. Don't know if it was iGrok's plan but I felt bad for the guy getting tunneled so hard haha.

Anyways I'm willing to admit I was wrong, but looking to our lynch, I also think grush57 is our main candidate. Bandwagoned freeloader early on, has mostly useless posts, and I feel like he voted for amazingxkcd as soon as he felt "safe" to do so (after Treadmill posted his defense and voted for amazing)

Grush57 is still not dead and I called for vigi hit,pity You vigis TT
About "bandwagon lynch"
Every lynch is a bandwagon of some kind. The guy with the most votes wins,the thing about bandwagon is how fast it is forming and on what kind of evidence. When we've got accurate DT check votes will storm from every side really fast.
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June 11 2011 12:49 GMT
#1204
On June 11 2011 21:47 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
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On June 11 2011 15:23 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
On June 11 2011 13:02 gtrsrs wrote:
i agree with trancestorm's analysis of Vain, and i agree 100%. i think we should pressure Vain.

the other main mafia candidate for me is still grush57. i looked through his last ~15 posts in this topic and they were ALL < 3 lines except for 1 which was 3 lines. none of them have anything of value at all, except the one that's 3 lines.

in that post he declares that mafia likes to stay quiet so as to divert our attention. this is fallacious. mafia likes to actively lurk so we target the quiet people and they blend in. with ~15 posts that say nothing, a pressure vote on me, and ultimately a vote for amazingxkcd, i'm sticking with my gut that grush is mafia

grush or vain hopefully take a bullet tonight, if not, we need to lynch one of them for sure tomorrow. my next biggest candidate is treadmill, followed by abrupps and teamsolid.

town list for sure is:
pyo
gtrsrs
trancestorm
xedat
kurumi
jackal

based on his day 1 voting for falafi i think Munk e is town as well.

and freeloader, since falafi voted on him, falafi is such a gift of information

Freeloader was confirmed town since a bandwagon based on shitty evidence sky rocketed so high that I couldn't even see it.
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June 11 2011 12:57 GMT
#1206
On June 11 2011 21:50 Jackal58 wrote:
I was actually playing Don't Fear (The Reaper).
Fuck you scum.
GL town.

I feel so alone now TT
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June 11 2011 13:58 GMT
#1207
Since grush57 did not even try defending himself I will prod him to do it even more.
##Vote grush57
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June 11 2011 15:06 GMT
#1209
THE PLAN

Hello Townies! Planning ahead our play is a really good way to get on the right track. I want to make some points for us to follow.
  • We shall not accept lurking. Active lurking (not posting but responding almost immediately to any sort of attack) is treated as scummy and will be punished.
  • We shall not accept posters who do not express their feelings about players, are extremely cautious and have vague opinions about everything.
  • We shall not accept people jumping on bandwagons without good explanation. Saying:
    "They have already pointed that out"
    "They seem scummy to me"
    QUOTE: Player X is scum because Y,Z /QUOTE "I agree"
    Is NOT enough!
  • We shall not accept people who post without substance just to appear they contribute.
    "Bandwagonner Johnny is scummish, because noone would jump on such bandwagon without good evidence. The lynch of Scum Joe wouldn't help, his posting thus far was good.
    (Notice lack of expressing thoughts,those are empty statements,without anything linking person talking to the case,there's no "I think" "He is good lynch because of his errors like here: *insert post*" "His posting was good because here: *insert post* he tried to pressure Dianne the Lurker and after it I think Dianne painted herself as scum."
  • We shall not accept people who bring down every plan,try to silence discussion and divert attention without strong evidence on someone else.

Feel free to add something to that list. I hope it is good enough for us to catch scum and hopefully get it lynched.
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June 11 2011 15:22 GMT
#1211
On June 12 2011 00:21 Pyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2011 00:06 Kurumi wrote:
THE PLAN

Hello Townies! Planning ahead our play is a really good way to get on the right track. I want to make some points for us to follow.
  • We shall not accept lurking. Active lurking (not posting but responding almost immediately to any sort of attack) is treated as scummy and will be punished.
  • We shall not accept posters who do not express their feelings about players, are extremely cautious and have vague opinions about everything.
  • We shall not accept people jumping on bandwagons without good explanation. Saying:
    "They have already pointed that out"
    "They seem scummy to me"
    QUOTE: Player X is scum because Y,Z /QUOTE "I agree"
    Is NOT enough!
  • We shall not accept people who post without substance just to appear they contribute.
    "Bandwagonner Johnny is scummish, because noone would jump on such bandwagon without good evidence. The lynch of Scum Joe wouldn't help, his posting thus far was good.
    (Notice lack of expressing thoughts,those are empty statements,without anything linking person talking to the case,there's no "I think" "He is good lynch because of his errors like here: *insert post*" "His posting was good because here: *insert post* he tried to pressure Dianne the Lurker and after it I think Dianne painted herself as scum."
  • We shall not accept people who bring down every plan,try to silence discussion and divert attention without strong evidence on someone else.

Feel free to add something to that list. I hope it is good enough for us to catch scum and hopefully get it lynched.



Given the fact that kurumi is insane and has pretty much accused everyone at one point or another as being scum, I think we should just completely ignore anything he posts from now on, especially ones with superfluous red and green in them.

Discrediting me using xenophobic videos and calling me insane isn't a strong thing You know.
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June 11 2011 16:16 GMT
#1216
On June 12 2011 01:09 Pyo wrote:
here is a post by post summary of grush57
+ Show Spoiler +
defends accusation of inactivity

admits bandwagoning freeloader

defending himself from accusations of lurking by omgCrazy

nothing

accuses gtsrs of "accusing people" when he only really accused iGrok

more pressure on gtrsrs

accuses xkcd of being scum

defends himself by saying he'll just lurk like everyone else

says he'll play nice - was just mad cuz people were accusing him

random arbitrary guesses: cherubael, benjef(vigi), teamsolid, blackone

warns against bandwagoning a blue

defends iGrok, uses "inb4 i'm defending iGrok so I'm scum"

says he doesn't think iGrok would be blue

chastizes treadmill for doing analysis and still voting for rookie

but still says good job on analysis

chastizes kurumi for calling xkcd bandwagoners scum, but not iGrok bandwagoners

nothing

makes speculation about why xkcd went after jackal

stuff about why xkcd was so anti jackal


I honestly don't know what to think, nothing really stands out as being scummy. What I would like to know is where/who the initial accusations about grush came from.

You're playing against all the points of my plan,which listed every scum move You can do. You're scum,Pyo. You don't express Your thoughts. You just state things. You don't make a statement about player,You leave it with "I don't know" or "I haven't made my mind up yet".
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June 11 2011 16:19 GMT
#1217
EDWOP:
Maybe not every scum move,but most of them and the most important ones I can remember.
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June 11 2011 17:44 GMT
#1226
Could someone elaborate why Pyo is cleared?
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June 11 2011 17:59 GMT
#1231
On June 12 2011 02:52 aprudds wrote:
Show nested quote +
in the first round all of them voted for obvious townies. + All of them defended iGrok and attacked amazingxdc. + All of them made only useless posts.

Please tell me how Jimbooo was an obvious townie.

You're active lurking,aren't You?
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June 11 2011 20:00 GMT
#1235
Grush57,why do You think Treadmill is a vet? I understand that You can say "I think X is blue" but why so certain he is probably vet? Why weren't You acting like Your role said so before? Disinterest? You are trying and I do see it, I am pretty much happy. The thing is: You need to prove You're worse lynch candidate than Vain or someone else, You've made small step towards not getting lynched, but the thing You say is basically "wait for blues". We can't wait though,everyday we need to lynch. Also Town can't rely on blues. The analysis,prodding lurkers is what gets us winning.
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June 11 2011 20:01 GMT
#1236
EDWOP:
Town can't only rely on blues*
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June 11 2011 20:04 GMT
#1237
On June 12 2011 05:00 Kurumi wrote:
Grush57,why do You think Treadmill is a vet? I understand that You can say "I think X is blue" but why so certain he is probably vet? Why weren't You acting like Your role said so before? Disinterest? You are trying and I do see it, I am pretty much happy. The thing is: You need to prove You're worse lynch candidate than Vain or someone else, You've made small step towards not getting lynched, but the thing You say is basically "wait for blues". We can't wait though,everyday we need to lynch. Also Town can't rely on blues. The analysis,prodding lurkers is what gets us winning.

That was my 1000th post. Yay for Mafia forums!
I am now Lurker <3
On thread.. Why are You so silent,town?
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June 11 2011 20:09 GMT
#1240
On June 12 2011 05:06 grush57 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2011 05:00 Kurumi wrote:
Grush57,why do You think Treadmill is a vet? I understand that You can say "I think X is blue" but why so certain he is probably vet? Why weren't You acting like Your role said so before? Disinterest? You are trying and I do see it, I am pretty much happy. The thing is: You need to prove You're worse lynch candidate than Vain or someone else, You've made small step towards not getting lynched, but the thing You say is basically "wait for blues". We can't wait though,everyday we need to lynch. Also Town can't rely on blues. The analysis,prodding lurkers is what gets us winning.


Well, I have a feeling he is blue(I ovbiously could be wrong). The medics are dead, i highly doubt he is either vig or dt(grabs to much attention, unless he is like xcd), so i'm just assuming vet.

Is this feeling based on post or something? Why would You point that out actually? Based on Your evidence we might ask medic(if there's any alive) to protect him during the night.
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June 11 2011 20:22 GMT
#1242
Grush,I'd really like You to make a case against someone,because without another candidate we will end lynching You.
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June 11 2011 22:17 GMT
#1244
On June 12 2011 07:15 aprudds wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2011 02:59 Kurumi wrote:
On June 12 2011 02:52 aprudds wrote:
in the first round all of them voted for obvious townies. + All of them defended iGrok and attacked amazingxdc. + All of them made only useless posts.

Please tell me how Jimbooo was an obvious townie.

You're active lurking,aren't You?

I don't even know what that means :/

That means You read the thread,but You don't post and respond when You get called out.
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June 11 2011 23:01 GMT
#1247
On June 12 2011 07:46 aprudds wrote:
I have no intention on filling it with 5 posts in a row -_-.

Since You were here(or are) why You didn't post anything helpful?
People,what do You think about my Plan?
The Plan
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June 11 2011 23:35 GMT
#1250
Aprudds, I did not mean overall, but now. You made a post, so You're present here and You could write something nice(Thanks for talking a bit about the.. The Points. Yeah. A new name for The Plan.)
And yeah Supersoft. It is colorful.
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June 12 2011 10:23 GMT
#1260
@35spike1
People violating The Points should get pressured at first,then depending on reaction (vide xkdc's hardcore GOOD defence) we don't lynch or do/shoot at night or don't. People ignoring us are obvious targets. Now we've got case of grush57 and Vain,grush still did not convince me at all,while Vain is hardcore lurking/stopped playing. If Vain votes and posts at least once,he should be shot at night by our vigilante,unless he redeems himself.
As for now,two targets:
Grush57,semi-lurking guy who tries - lynch him,during that something new could pop up.
Vain,lurker who doesn't give a damn - night kill(low probability of him speaking up)
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June 12 2011 12:40 GMT
#1263
Grush.. You aren't third medic, are You? That's why You said Treadmill might be a vet.. You protected him! iGrok wanted his scumbuddies to hit Night 1(4KP possible):
GGQ(experienced,was on iGrok) - stacked 2 hits
DeMorcef(defended iGrok)
Treadmill(defended iGrok) - healed by Grush
They did not shoot people who attacked iGrok(besides GGQ,who made a brilliant post) because that would be suspicious, they went for the opposite.
Night 2(3KP possible):
Jackal58 (experienced)
Impervious (experienced)
Kurumi (somehow experienced) - healed by Grush
If You're the "real" medic, PLEASE DON'T COUNTER CLAIM.
I don't want to lose third blue thanks to lynch. Grush, please convince others. I will switch my vote to Vain after I get back from a little trip but.. I seriously need You to TALK.
The thing is:
We lynch Medic, no saves during the night. We lose Medic during the night, one save will be there.
I don't see a case where Mafia Goon would out town as Vet/another medic possible.
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June 12 2011 18:55 GMT
#1270
How much KP it was possible from Mafia Night 1 and Night 2?
Our discussion is null,it does not exist. Wake up people! We need to lynch the correct person. Grush,please.
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June 12 2011 20:46 GMT
#1272
##Vote Vain
Thanks.
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June 12 2011 20:54 GMT
#1274
On June 13 2011 05:53 Vain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 05:46 Kurumi wrote:
##Vote Vain
Thanks.


Really?

Why do you even take the effort to write out a whole ruleboard how people should act and now you post like this? Look guys i write many rules for you i'm very pro town. But i'm so pro town i shouldn't be following this shit rules fuck this man. Also stop the voting in thread and just cluttering the whole thread with 50 answers and 5 questions. The last few pages have been nothing but fluff.

I am confirmed town,so why You even bother attacking me?
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June 12 2011 21:02 GMT
#1276
On June 13 2011 06:01 Vain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 05:54 Kurumi wrote:
On June 13 2011 05:53 Vain wrote:
On June 13 2011 05:46 Kurumi wrote:
##Vote Vain
Thanks.


Really?

Why do you even take the effort to write out a whole ruleboard how people should act and now you post like this? Look guys i write many rules for you i'm very pro town. But i'm so pro town i shouldn't be following this shit rules fuck this man. Also stop the voting in thread and just cluttering the whole thread with 50 answers and 5 questions. The last few pages have been nothing but fluff.

I am confirmed town,so why You even bother attacking me?


Because you have been cluttering the thread with shit like this. Do you know how hard it is to find back posts when its kurumi all over the place? I'm sure your town but that's not a reason to post 1337 times to just get your post count up.

Did You notice I am just taunting You? Your case against grush57 is not good at all. Step it up or You'll share his fate.
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June 12 2011 21:30 GMT
#1278
On June 13 2011 06:11 Vain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 06:02 Kurumi wrote:
On June 13 2011 06:01 Vain wrote:
On June 13 2011 05:54 Kurumi wrote:
On June 13 2011 05:53 Vain wrote:
On June 13 2011 05:46 Kurumi wrote:
##Vote Vain
Thanks.


Really?

Why do you even take the effort to write out a whole ruleboard how people should act and now you post like this? Look guys i write many rules for you i'm very pro town. But i'm so pro town i shouldn't be following this shit rules fuck this man. Also stop the voting in thread and just cluttering the whole thread with 50 answers and 5 questions. The last few pages have been nothing but fluff.

I am confirmed town,so why You even bother attacking me?


Because you have been cluttering the thread with shit like this. Do you know how hard it is to find back posts when its kurumi all over the place? I'm sure your town but that's not a reason to post 1337 times to just get your post count up.

Did You notice I am just taunting You? Your case against grush57 is not good at all. Step it up or You'll share his fate.


Than please, i beg you say that instead of posting useless one-liners. Please don't reply to this unless you have found some incriminating evidence or wrote up a good well thought out post why you should. Btw, yeah my case against grush is really weak. There is nothing more to say. I could fluff up my post with nice quotes and that lovely red/green/bold you use in your posts. What i sayd are the facts. Grush is a player who makes 2 liner posts, bandwagoned on freeloader,not on rookie but voted on amazingxkcd. You could also have like read his post where he stated the same thing.

Your vote history is rookie44 and Jackal58,sure we have two guys who did not vote same. You write really rarely,that's what's bugging me.. Maybe kind of not. You have voted Jackal for quite good points,but many better were brought for iGrok. You did not appear too much in the discussion. Your posting rate decreased a bit. You were torn between iGrok or Jackal to be GFs. You found a lot of good things before,could You try to do that again? Your posting is better than grush's,that's for sure. You do express Your thoughts,Your posts are not empty. I must've been too hasty. I'd still rather see You contribute more. I will take my vote off You for now and put it on someone who won't get lynched.. on Pyo. Yeah. I am not sure who I should vote right now,from both of You and I won't be around to switch it,sadly.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 13 2011 13:39 GMT
#1344
I think shooting Treadmill will reveal the most information.
About my Pyo vote:
I stated that I am really confused who to vote and did not think about it well enough,so I voted on Pyo as placeholder,so my vote doesn't cause too much harm.
Since there are like 3 guys who are suspects I will skim through their posts in a while.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 13 2011 16:54 GMT
#1346
On June 14 2011 01:39 Pyo wrote:
A post by TheAwesomeAll in the mafia ban list. From this post it would seem as though mafia like to wait till the last minute to place their votes. Considering lafali also tried doing this (but was too late), I think it might be reasonable to assume that mafia might be doing this as a general policy.

Looking at the voting, there are only 2 people who have been consistently waiting until the last hour to vote: freeloader and Munk-E

freeloader did vote for iGrok, so I'm a little less suspicious of him, but if you combine the late posting with his lurking and his post history, I think Munk-E might be one of the remaining mafia.

post history:
+ Show Spoiler +
Day 1 - lafali
Day 2 - amazingxkcd
Day 3 - grush57

analysis of freeloader, lafali, aprudds, TheAwesomeAll

goes after lafali

long analysis of amazingxkcd

excuse for not posting


This post by iGrok also adds further suspicion in my opinion. For one, it reveals that Munk-E's accusation of lafali came at a point where a lynch of someone else was inevitable and lafali was about to get modkilled. Also, it is curious that iGrok would respond to this post.

I wonder why freeloader still did not help us in any way.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 13 2011 19:00 GMT
#1352
Alderan
Blackone
Aprudds
Munk-E
Are our main suspect list,right? I will take care of Blackone and Aprudds,brb. We need to narrow that thing to 2-3 suspects.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 13 2011 19:25 GMT
#1356
Wait,blackone was one of this guys "I will vote for X,reasons were given"?
He easily earned my vote. It is so easy to jump on bandwagon and say everything has been said.
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Poland6130 Posts
June 13 2011 19:38 GMT
#1358
Oh,for our last two mafia buddies:
Don't bother to shoot me. I am a Veteran. I feel sorry that xkdc did not out me(that would be a lot more fun),but You know.. Since You have that puny 1 kp You can kiss my ass.
On June 13 2011 07:06 blackone wrote:
Ok I came home an hour ago and just read through what happened since yesterday, and it's a whole lot of contentless discussion on the last pages.
The only thing that stands out to me is grush's horrible horrible defense that was mostly him defending everyone that we suspect being mafia, except for himself. I don't even know what he was trying to achieve with that, but it's looking like he's trying to somehow save some of his scumbuddies. I'm sorry I don't have more to say, but really not much has happened this day. (I'm voting for grush57)
(I'm also going to bed now so I won't be able to respond to the pressure Kurumi is going to apply on me because I'm breaking all of his rules at once, but please don't waste you're votes on me. thanks.)

That guy even saw that coming.. Well,he admitted he is scum so feel free to shoot him at night.
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Poland6130 Posts
June 13 2011 19:42 GMT
#1359
On June 08 2011 19:39 blackone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2011 14:18 Pyo wrote:
On June 08 2011 13:54 Treadmill wrote:
On June 08 2011 13:26 Pyo wrote:
Yay!!! I'm alive - wasn't expecting that. Too bad about GGQ, I guess they wanted to take out experienced town. The other hit has me surprised. I'll have to go through his posts and try to figure it out.

So they hit our vet? Or we have another medic who happened to protect the right person. I disagree with Treadmill. If you were medic saved or vet, DO NOT SAY ANYTHING!!!! Keep them guessing whether you are the vet or whether we have a third medic. Town doesn't need to know that information only mafia would want you to reveal yourself. Treadmill just outed himself as scum.


Bullshit. The mafia already know who the third target was. That person coming forward doesn't say anything about whether he was saved by being a vet or by a medic (in fact, its a good point, Pyo, to emphasize that whoever got shot shouldn't say anything on the matter). I just think town knowing what the mafia knows is a good thing.


Yeah, you're definitely scum. Since you're scum, you aren't approaching it as townie would.

If it was a vet that got hit, there's nothing to exploit. no strategies can be used.
If it is a medic, then we're in luck and we have options available to us. But if mafia know that we have that medic, then they will go medic hunting.

Now it is undoubtedly a good thing for the mafia to not know which one, as it will in the worst case scenario cost them another KP to learn which it is.

However, if the person who survived the hit outs themselves, it can be figured out which it is based on their posting.

As a townie knowing who survived the hit doesn't benefit us in anyway. Not until next night when the next round of DT checks go out. It's not like their analysis of posting becomes any more accurate or informed.

You are wrong, as others have already pointed out. "if the person who survived the hit outs themselves, it can be figured out which it is based on their posting."? How? Mafia already know who it is so they have all of this persons posts to figure his role out, if he makes a post saying "mafia tried to kill me last night", it tells them nothing, while we know their third target. And how does it not benefit us? It helps us as much as knowing who got killed, we get to know who the scum wants to see dead.
Trying to keep this secret is very, very scummy.

On a related note: I don't know if day/night posts can contain information like this, but couldn't the post about GGQs death mean they used two KPs on him?
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 08 2011 13:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
GGQ was out walking around thinking about the failed lynch. He’d been around the block a few times and was trying to get his thoughts in order for the next day. Suddenly he heard a noise in the bushes, two black figures slipped out. GGQ immediately knew what came next, he’d seen the results many times before. “So this is how it ends?” He asked. His only response was the sinister click of hammers being pulled back. “Well” sighed GGQ laconically, “I’m glad I was thought dangerous enough to kill so early.” Two silenced bullets were his only reply.


I know that kind of contradicts the fist part of my post, but in this case Pyo could just be trying to hide the fact they only tried to kill two people.

Dat nail in da coffin
When someone claims getting hit,the mafia gets no more info,town gets where KP was landed.
When someone claims getting hit and gets healed it means there (!!!) is another medic in the play. That's the info I blew out like an idiot. Mafia wants to know how many medics we have and hunt them.
Sorry guys. But now those puny Rats have a riddle to solve: my life. Have fun trying to kill me,I will happily soak Your KP.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 13 2011 20:12 GMT
#1361
On June 14 2011 05:08 teamsolid wrote:
Yea, I've gotta agree with TranceStorm, it's looking like Blackone and Aprudds are the last two mafia.

Feel free to gg if I'm right

Unless we've got a mole in iGrok votes
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 13 2011 20:18 GMT
#1362
On June 13 2011 13:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
The town was screaming for blood, scum blood. After a the arguments went round and round a concensus was finally established. grush57 was to be lynched! As the hood was put over grush's head the town screamed "any last words scum?" A slow smile spread across grush's face. "You got lucky fools" he sneered. The town cheered at these words and yelled "no luck here!" The trap door was sprung and red blood flowed in the streets.

grush57 the mafia roleblocker has been killed

You have 24 hours to send in your night actions to Varpulis and me

Was grush Roleblocker or Goon,because the first page(the roster) says he was a Mafia Goon?
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 15 2011 18:39 GMT
#1410
On June 16 2011 03:18 supersoft wrote:
Does anyone know whether there is a med left for us?
I mean was someone healed after all our medics died?

If that's the case, a DT, that is on the iGrokvoted-list could reveal himself and speed things up by telling who he's going to check. So the remaining DTs (if there is more than one) don't doublecheck...

I already slipped info about that,yes we have third med
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Poland6130 Posts
June 15 2011 20:06 GMT
#1414
On June 16 2011 05:04 omgCRAZY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 04:28 Treadmill wrote:
Since we DO have a third medic, if we have another DT they should definitely come forward and tell us what they've seen, as we can easily keep him alive. No GF should make their checks a lot better, though there is still a miller.

@supersoft: any particular reason you don't have blackone on your list too?


gtrsrs is town
Munk-E is mafia
My other DT check was killed the same night.

Medic,You better protect this guy,he won't die(they only have 1kp)
Thanks. Revoting. Check Vain or Treadmill tonight,maybe blackone,do whatever You want
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 15 2011 21:30 GMT
#1423
On June 16 2011 06:21 supersoft wrote:
okay guys, sorry for the spam, but i just had a new idea. We don't lynch Munk-E.
Why should we lynch him, since he's a confirmed mafioso?
We better lynch someone who hasn't been checked yet. Obviously we raise our chances to get the mafia one round earlier if we reduce the targets.

Therefor i recommend you to lynch Alderan instead!

##unvote
##vote: Alderan

This plan is ofc useless if the Mafia loses their single KP that is left if we reduce them to only one man.

wat
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 15 2011 21:36 GMT
#1425
Just before people start running in circles and shouting "WAT U MEAN KURUMI LLOLOLOOL"
This guy wants us to mislynch or at least spare his scum buddy for this day.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 16 2011 11:51 GMT
#1463
@iGrok
Guess I beat Bill Murray?
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 16 2011 13:10 GMT
#1470
On June 16 2011 22:05 Munk-E wrote:
I feel bad for xkcd. He did that epicly long post and then still got lynched.

He actually defended himself and still got lynched,while iGrok just fled.
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Poland6130 Posts
June 16 2011 15:29 GMT
#1477
Also lol@Mafia calling me anti-town and useless,but trying to kill me Night 2.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 16 2011 18:43 GMT
#1495
iGrok by the way,I'd like to thank You. Instead of trying to help me,give tips You labeled me as the worst mafia player ever. I know that I am not good. I know that I could use coaching. I am still new to Mafia,but I love it. I try to play in my own way,it might look bad,chaotic and straightforward,but that's because I am like that as a person. Yes,I am a bad person. Well I hope You'll change Your opinion one day.
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Poland6130 Posts
June 18 2011 14:30 GMT
#1519
On June 18 2011 23:24 Jackal58 wrote:
Which one of you derps shot me?

Kairo the Vigilante did.
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