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I kind of lead the crusade against prplhz this time, which really sucks. VisEyes really wants to lynch me, that's his main crusade. Hiro Protagonist has a pretty damn impressive voting record. He voted Skrammen on day 1, he voted Mataza on day 2 and he voted prplhz on day 3, despite claiming he was sure prplhz wasn't mafia. I did an analysis on the guy back on day 2, I guess I should've pushed his lynch harder at the time, but it seems like this town has a taste for active blood, so aside from stefftastiq I found it really hard to get much support. That and I will admit VisEyes's constant crusade against me has been really distracting. But it kinda fits... I couldn't place Wunder anywhere because his behavior was so damn scummy, yet I already had hiro and prplhz lined up as mafia. Looks like we know who the mafia is now. If I should not survive the night, I want you to take a really good long look at Hiro Protagonist. Nard saw it, I saw it, stefftastiq saw it and prplhz saw it. We just seem really keen on lynching active players versus passive players.... and look where that has gotten us. | ||
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Then he pulled some really silly "I'll martyr myself instead of Palmar" thing, and I was just... why on earth would you do that as townie? It just makes no sense. So yeah, bad read. The Mafia are Hiro and Wunder. If you don't believe me, just go through their post history. I would do an analysis on Wunder, but there's nothing to analyse. He's just been chilling and doing nothing while the we happily kill off outspoken players like Mataza and prplhz. I don't even care anymore, I'm not listening to some meta-game bullshit anymore. I will be crusading so hard on Hiro's ass tomorrow that he will feel sore for days. If I die during the night, well you know what happened. | ||
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On May 24 2011 11:16 hiro protagonist wrote: "you see, you SEE" - copyright held by Sen. ok, now that what I thought all along is for everyone else to see, lets move forward. If there are blue roles out there, then we know you have never been role blocked and there are 2 of you. or, more likely at this point, all townies. lets see what the night brings and start anew. So, you contribute to a lynch to a townie, meanwhile saying that you don't see anything scummy about him, you just don't want to vote against town. And then you come to us and say "I told you so". This is just a silly parade to try to reduce suspicion on yourself. | ||
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On May 25 2011 01:45 sinani206 wrote: This is my second game--I died in XXXIX It's ok, you're not scum. | ||
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We're pretty much all first-timers, so errors are to be expected. The problem is that we keep analysing the few people that actually contributed to the thread, and thus we lynch useful townies day after day. I mean, there is no question that Mataza's plan was pretty bad, and that prplhz's martyrdom was not the most intelligent thing to do. But the thing is, the people that don't post, don't make any of those mistakes. I'm pretty sure you're town at the moment, but it really bothers me how passive you were at the start of the game. That's just destructive behavior. I don't see no problem with VisEyes suggesting we take a look at you. Mind you, if the mafia successfully gets a kill tonight, it'll be 4 town v 2 mafia, so it only takes one townie to make the wrong decision, and it's game over. I'm going to write up my thoughts, in case I die during the night. | ||
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One more person might die before day breaks, so that'll bring it down to 4v2. That's basically a LYLO situation, meaning we need a correct lynch, or we're pretty much dead, barring a doctor save. And we don't even know if there is a doctor in the game. This also means, that we might be in a situation where the 4 townies need to vote together to get rid of mafia. It only takes 1 townie betting on the wrong lynch for us to simply lose the game. My first lynch candidate it Hiro Protagonist. It is absolutely vital that the four townies that survive through the night vote for him. He will shout foul, and he will try to paint someone else a target. Possibly me or VisEyes because there is a ton of posts by both of us that can be analysed and made to look "scummy". Here is a link to an analysis I did on Hiro: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=9339175 Before reading on, I suggest you take a good hard look at this post. All the way from day 1 Hiro has been acting scummy. Let's look at his voting record, for all it means. 09:48 hiro protagonist -> Skrammen 09:56 Wunder -> Skrammen 10:08 nard -> Skrammen This is from Deepblu2's analysis of votes after day 1. He, along with two other people voted for Skrammen in a very short timeframe. I don't think nard (sinai) is scum, but it's worth looking at for later. But I'm absolutely sure hiro is scum. here is his post where he votes Mataza: On May 21 2011 08:26 hiro protagonist wrote: Ok, I am at work, so I dont have a lot of time to explain my vote, but here it go's: Mataza has been less then helpful day 2. there is so much scumminiss going on with his actions that i dont have time to point them all out. i will just point out a few. 1. He used his trust that he built with the town to try to get people to rolecall blue roles, and as everyone pointed out, thats a very bad idea for us, great for mafia, who are behind. 2. He wants to lynch prplhz. Really? the guy who's very last minute vote switch got us a scum lynch on day one in very dramatic fashion? 3. before prplhz vote switch, GiygaS was safe. This could have been planned between them both, with Mataza looking like a townie. Im gonna put my money on Mataza is S to the scummy ummy. ##Vote Mataza So yeah, while I still think Mataza's roleclaim idea was pretty stupid, His reasoning is basically just bandwagoning what everyone else has said. But this is not the most incriminating thing he did. Here is something that really should be looked at. This is from day 3, just before I post my long analysis on prplhz On May 23 2011 10:04 hiro protagonist wrote: @Prplhz My questions directed at Mataza in regards to the blue role incident where ones of genuine interest. when he first started hinting at it (and he did a LOT of hinting) I did not pay much attention to them because I thought he was still doing what he was doing all game long; throwing out hooks every where and waiting till someone responded. seamed like thats what he was doing. But then he actual stated a plan, and one that did not make sense to me. I wanted him to elaborate, before anyone cried blue, but I was willing to here him out. luckily for us, both ViscaraEyes and Palmar voiced there concerns and explained why it was a bad idea. I was especially worried about this post: he was asking for people to claim up before really explaining how it would help for town. not good in my eyes. As for your thoughts on if he thought I was a doc, well, I dont no if i'm reading to much into it but, 2 minutes after my first post during night 1: this, after all ready asking for doc protection. Im going to go back through the game and see what I can dig up. I am gonna be looking at anyone who was suspicious of prplhz after day 1. I see no reason why his vote on day 1 doesn't make him a 100% townie. The only thing I can think of is if Skrammen is also Mafia, witch would make sense to vote of the suspicious scum in favor of the less suspicious. I ask that any one else to give me another reason why prplhz is mafia if they have a reason. i would be intrigued to hear. This is actually a solid post. Really nothing to say about it. He points out some obvious things, but the most important part is that he's not pointing any fingers (he really hasn't pointed any fingers throughout the game) and he's defending prplhz. Which seems to be quite a contradiction when he finally: On May 24 2011 10:50 hiro protagonist wrote: I still cant figure out what is so suspicious about prplhz, but because a lot of you feel he is worth the vote then so be it; ##Vote: Prplhz Really... if you know something that we don't, please tell us about it. Explain why we shouldn't be voting him. This is just ridiculous if you're town. You don't vote for anyone as town, unless you think they're mafia. But the thing is, this makes perfect sense if you're Mafia. Don't take any responsibility for a kill on someone that you already know is green, and voila... the people that pushed the lynch will look bad, and you can just happily watch the townies go at each others throat until you bandwagon the next townie lynch. Notice this: Day 1: Votes Skrammen when GiygaS is top candidate for lynching Day 2: Bandwagons Mataza Day 3: Bandwagons prplhz even after claiming he's probably not mafia. Hiro Protagonist is mafia I don't need no damn cop, I'll investigate you with an axe tomorrow night. | ||
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Your post is just sealing the deal as far as I'm concerned. Now we just need to decide in what order to hang them. Maybe one of them will swoop in and vote his partner in order to regain some trust? @VisEyes & Stefftastiq, it's important that the town votes as whole now. I want to kill Hiro as I've had him pinned as mafia since day 2, but if you guys like Wunder better I can switch my vote over there. I was already very suspicious of him, and Sinai's analysis just organized what thoughts I had of the guy. Just pick one and go. ##Vote: Hiro Protagonist | ||
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If you vote Wunder I'll switch, if you vote Hiro I'll stick to it. If you vote me, I'll stick you with the pointy end of a sword. | ||
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On May 25 2011 19:15 stefftastiq wrote: Seeing other people voting early this day I would really like to see a response from hiro / wunder as well ##Vote: Hiro Protagonist I don't talk with mafia, so they can remain silent for all I care. | ||
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@sinani206 Are you cool with switching your vote to Hiro for this? We'll go straight for Wunder tomorrow. | ||
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If you're not mafia, now would be the time to stop being useless and actually explaining to us why we should not be killing Hiro and you. | ||
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Most exciting mafia game on the forums! | ||
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On May 27 2011 10:14 hiro protagonist wrote: bah, real life... It looks like I'm the one going down tonight. I had thoughts and analysis that i wanted to share, but not enough time now. well, this is my one shot at going for the real scum: ##Vote: Palmar What size a noose do you use? | ||
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No matter who dies tonight, just go straight for Wunder. | ||
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Here's the thing. There are really strong arguments against you, and your overall play-style screams mafia. I am at this point, pretty sure that you're the remaining scum. There is just simply too much against you for me to believe anything else. If you are town, as you claim, then it is time to step up and actually try to contribute something to the game. Explain everything you've done, find us a new lynch candidate and make a good case against that person. If you're town, and we lynch you, and then lose the game because of you being lazy, apathetic and selfish, then all I can say is that I hope I won't ever have to play with you again. I mean, if you're the mafia, which I think is much more likely, then it's just fair game. You lurked throughout the game and got close to winning on it. | ||
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Still sucks that there were enough inactive players for the mafia to hide amongst. I hope everyone steps up their town game from this. If we are correct and win this, it's not because of us being a good town, but mainly because the mafia was kinda bad-ish. Some of us tried, but what can you do when someone like Skrammen doesn't even bloody respond when he's voted so heavily day 1. Like... that's just bad town play. But I guess this is a newbie game, so it's kind of expected. I tried to push for activity back in the early days, but that just got me almost lynched, so I just decided to say "fuck it" and start analyzing what little information we had. Thing is, even if we win this, it'll be kinda lucky. I could've made an almost equally strong case against nard or wunder, as I did against Hiro, and perhaps we would've shot wrong last lynch and lost the game right there. The main reason I'm almost 100% sure Nard (sinani206) is clear is that a mafia player would probably not get himself replaced this late in the game. Like, that scumswitch to Hiro on day 3 was completely useless... Why would you do that when it just changes the score from 5-2 to 4-3? And sinani steps in, and seems to not really have any issues with voting for Hiro and thus killing him, leaving Wunder the only person protecting him, even providing a pretty solid analysis. I especially loved the part where he checked the timings of Wunder's few posts, and pointed out his "I don't have time" excuse for lurking. Just make sure that you don't let Wunder off the hook barring some extraordinary situation, one of us will die, but I can't really see how anyone dying but Wunder himself would change anything. | ||
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unless someone has a better idea ##Vote: Wunder | ||
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I see... VisEyes, Mataza, Karshe, Myself, Hiro Protagonist, Sinani206 all in the list, and Prplhz just added signed up, so he'll probably get a spot too. Enjoy the popcorn guys! | ||
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