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Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
May 24 2011 07:47 GMT
#1641
Mafia XII Godfather

You are the Godfather of the Mafia. You lead the Mafia by example and have a number of abilities which assist your minions in bringing Liquiville to it's knees. You have the ability to cover a player, changing their role and alignment to anything you want. You can choose to appear as a role of your choice (including vanilla townie) to any and all types of detective-esque actions. You are immune to votechecks.


Just realized role-cops aren't fool-proof.
you gotta dance
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
May 24 2011 10:48 GMT
#1642
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 24 2011 16:17 bumatlarge wrote:
OK I'm putting all the votechecks we have gathered, and updating who is dead. I won't take framing immediately into the picture. I'd rather have everything sorted, and then ask who makes sense to be framed or covered?

+ Show Spoiler +
Day1

KAVDRAGON (6): Caller, Incognito, Chezinu, GMarshal, Node, flamewheel[/blue

2 are scum.

INCOGNITO (5): Ace, infinitestory, Foolishness, Chaoser, Barundar

1 is scum.

Radfield, bumatlarge, dreamflower, kitaman27, [blue]KillerSOS, deconduo, Fishball, Kurumi, Eiii, Mr. Wiggles, Scamp, [black]OriginalName[/black], Kavdragon, tnkted

3 are scum.

Day2


KILLERSOS (10): flamewheel, meapak, kurumi, deconduo, radfield, eiii, incognito, mr. wiggles, tnkted, kitaman

2 are scum.

infinitestory, killersos, ace, foolishness, chezinu, bumatlarge, caller, chaoser, gmarshal, barundar, node, Fishball

4 are scum.


Shortening the lists, since no framing or covering role has been revealed, aside from barundar.

day1 list

CHECKED
Caller, GMarshal
1 is scum.
(Caller has to be scum, unless he was framed, or GM is scum)

CHECKED
Ace, Foolishness, Chaoser
1 is scum

NOT CHECKED
Radfield, bumatlarge, meapak, kitaman27, deconduo, Eiii, Mr. Wiggles
1 is scum
(Eiii was confirmed town by infinite)

day2 list

CHECKED
meapak, deconduo, radfield, eiii, mr. wiggles, kitaman
0 are scum.
(eii again confirmed, exactly the same as the above list, so I have to be scum! thats what ace meant...)

NOT CHECKED
ace, foolishness, bumatlarge, caller, chaoser, gmarshal,
3 are scum.
(So this list is essentially the same as day 1, except I am added, and so is the scum count.)

So now I see what ace was saying lol. Well unless I am the mole, and ver forgot to send me a pm yesterday, one of the lists was definitely tampered with. Do not shoot me please, and it would be useless to check me, unless you believe chaoser and I are both scum. Presumably if the other GF uses his power and wants to keep the factor that I might be scum in the equation. Chaoser checked me and I came back town along with a role night 1. I don't see why he would have done this as scum, because he could have easily not said anything, or lie. Since I am town, I can reasonably assume chaoser is town as well.

I can't really comment on this myself too much, but I believe I have pushed chaoser from the beginning of the game. Either I was trying to bus him the entire game, or I was wrong. Please take that into consideration tomorrow.

I don't really how more to say other then the obvious. If we mislynch tomorrow, I believe I can add to the information pile to help prevent that. Along with that, we have GM and chaoser's rolechecks. Chaoser check foolishness please. GM can check me if town would like, or anyone else. If a doctor role is present, I would protect him. Along with that, we have two other miscellaneous checks, along with Ace's rolecheck. I assume Ace will use his smartly, and give the info quickly.

Chaoser please reveal my role for me, so I can at least be certain of you.



I think you made a mistake here bum, as you should only be assuming 5 mafia for the list-checks(not 6), since we very likely have a mole count of 1.

Anyways, Ace is obviously scum at this point, so if someone wanted to vig him tonight, that would work. Foolishness, you're either mafia as well or playing really bad.

Caller, you need to roleclaim.

Medics, protect GM and only GM. He is the important target. Mind you, all his checks now have to be taken with a grain of salt given the mole.

Bum, given that we may have the XIIGodfather role in the game, we cannot assign dt checks to people. Cops need to go with their instinct. Also, no alignment check is wasted, since there is no such thing as a confirmed town right now(mole).

Ver, if a mole was killed before Day 3, would they show up as a 'mole', or as a 'townie'?
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
May 24 2011 11:13 GMT
#1643
A few interesting tidbits from tnkted:

*Attacks chaoser(just like kurumi)

*Says Ace is one of his strongest town reads(along with Incog and Myself)

3. Ace - Ace is really hard to read because he plays such a good scumgame; he completely dominated us in sleeper cell. However this game he's been much less insulting and assertive than he was last time; the difference in behavior leads me to believe that he's town.


*Attacks Foolishness twice

*Asks Mr. Wiggles to Kill either Caller or Flamewheel with his kinglynch

* Defends Ace Again:

That being said, I'm not sold on an ace lynch... Incog just posted a big ol' wall of text talking about how ace has avoided his pressure, but from my own (limited) experience playing with ace, he doesn't always RESPOND to pressure. Thats part of what makes him so fustrating.


*Night 2 scumlist:
Chaoser
Eiii
Foolishness
Mr. Wiggles


*Throws out this tidbit, which makes me think that maybe they have no framers. Meaning Caller, and one of Ace/Foolishness/Chaoser is scum for sure.
I know I'm not going to get townie points for this, but GM is not dead and wasn't even targeted. Therefore mafia must have a reason for leaving GM alive. Why? because they have framing roles, and these vote checking lists are making them laugh their asses off.


*His final scumlist, which I mostly agree with, since I think he actually put a few scum on here(Ace and Caller/Foolishness). Kitaman is fairly green at this point though.

Kitaman
Ace
Foolishness
Chez
Caller
Mole: Radfield

When I flip blue, yall should lynch these people.

ooo, maybe chaoser is on that list... Hmm.


* Attacks Bum with his final words (after his lynch has been assured basically)

Important Points: A couple of attacks on Chaoser, a couple defenses of Ace, about 5 attacks on Foolishness, asked for wiggles to kill Caller with the kinglynch.

Voting Ace tomorrow, I hope everyone else does too. Best part is, I can't even die tonight(I hope)
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
May 24 2011 11:19 GMT
#1644
Actually, I retract my earlier statement saying someone should vig Ace. I'd really like to see how that vote plays out.

Anyone else notice how mafia collided their numbers with 4 or 9? It's exactly what I would have done. They didn't need the high roles, since with my 'no-pick' list they could get what they wanted anyways.

Deconduo, are you still playing? Was your master plan to lurk hardcore? Please speak up.
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
May 24 2011 12:43 GMT
#1645
On May 24 2011 11:46 Fishball wrote:
So apparently Admiral Akbar's collateral damage includes actions performed in both Day and Night cycles on the target. Although I did not interpret it as a "full cycle", and I can't say that I really agree, I don't see myself being revived by the host, so bon voyage people.

So I don't get the Parity Cop checking himself,making him basically delayed Alligment cop who is always sane
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deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 24 2011 12:56 GMT
#1646
Unexpected extra shifts at work, sorry. I've been taking a few notes but haven't posted yet. Here we go:

3. Caller [10][4]
5. Radfield
6. GMarshal [17][2]
7. Deconduo [18][2]
8. Foolishness [1][1]
9. bumatlarge [1][18]
11. Chaoser [2][2]
14. Eiii [6][7]

So if there were 6 original mafia and we can assume they wouldn't double pick numbers, 3 of these are part of the remaining mafia, and Foolishness and bum both can't be scum. GMarshal, Radfield are fairly clear imo, and I know I'm not mafia. Eiii was cleared by IS, but he could be GF.

This leaves Caller, Chaoser and one of Foolishness/Bum, and maybe Eiii. Coincidently, Caller has already shown up as scum on one of GMarshal's lists.

deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 24 2011 13:07 GMT
#1647
Next, Radfield is totally clear as long as there is no vote rigger in the game. Seeing as mafia let tnkted die, that seems very probable. There is no possible reason on earth mafia would take BP over rigger if they weren't considering taking rigger later down the line. As such, we know one of GMarshal's lists has a GF in it. I'm going to have a look at that now.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 24 2011 13:08 GMT
#1648
EBWOP: I think I made a mistake in my maths, gimme a second.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 24 2011 13:27 GMT
#1649
So yeah, cross checking with the votecheck lists somewhat clears Foolishness leaving:

Caller, Chaoser, Bumatlarge OR
Caller, Chaoser, Eiii, Eiii as GF
tnkted
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1359 Posts
May 24 2011 13:56 GMT
#1650


THE WHEELS ON THE BUS GO ROUND AND ROUND
'I think "tnkted" may have justified this entire thread.' - Mjolnir
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
May 24 2011 14:12 GMT
#1651

So if there were 6 original mafia and we can assume they wouldn't double pick numbers, 3 of these are part of the remaining mafia, and Foolishness and bum both can't be scum. GMarshal, Radfield are fairly clear imo, and I know I'm not mafia. Eiii was cleared by IS, but he could be GF.


This is a bad assumption I think. We already know that scum collided their numbers at least once. Either Chez/Kurumi, or Chez/Tnkted(we don't know if chez was 4 or 9). Hunting scum based on numbers is an ineffective strategy. I've said it before, but if I had been mafia this game, I would have pushed to either double up or triple up on numbers with scum. Frankly, I think it's the reason there are so many 9's(Chez, Ace and Kurumi all take 9).
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 24 2011 14:24 GMT
#1652
On May 24 2011 23:12 Radfield wrote:
Show nested quote +

So if there were 6 original mafia and we can assume they wouldn't double pick numbers, 3 of these are part of the remaining mafia, and Foolishness and bum both can't be scum. GMarshal, Radfield are fairly clear imo, and I know I'm not mafia. Eiii was cleared by IS, but he could be GF.


This is a bad assumption I think. We already know that scum collided their numbers at least once. Either Chez/Kurumi, or Chez/Tnkted(we don't know if chez was 4 or 9). Hunting scum based on numbers is an ineffective strategy. I've said it before, but if I had been mafia this game, I would have pushed to either double up or triple up on numbers with scum. Frankly, I think it's the reason there are so many 9's(Chez, Ace and Kurumi all take 9).


Either way, Caller should be vigged tonight if we have one.
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
May 24 2011 15:19 GMT
#1653
On May 24 2011 23:24 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 23:12 Radfield wrote:

So if there were 6 original mafia and we can assume they wouldn't double pick numbers, 3 of these are part of the remaining mafia, and Foolishness and bum both can't be scum. GMarshal, Radfield are fairly clear imo, and I know I'm not mafia. Eiii was cleared by IS, but he could be GF.


This is a bad assumption I think. We already know that scum collided their numbers at least once. Either Chez/Kurumi, or Chez/Tnkted(we don't know if chez was 4 or 9). Hunting scum based on numbers is an ineffective strategy. I've said it before, but if I had been mafia this game, I would have pushed to either double up or triple up on numbers with scum. Frankly, I think it's the reason there are so many 9's(Chez, Ace and Kurumi all take 9).


Either way, Caller should be vigged tonight if we have one.


I agree with this.
I'd also really like it if a rolecop could verify chaoser's claim.
As to all other DT actions, the risk of the framing godfather means we can't direct them. I trust them to do what they must. I'm considering saving my list check tonight and using a rolecheck instead. Thoughts?
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Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
May 24 2011 15:30 GMT
#1654
On May 25 2011 00:19 GMarshal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 23:24 deconduo wrote:
On May 24 2011 23:12 Radfield wrote:

So if there were 6 original mafia and we can assume they wouldn't double pick numbers, 3 of these are part of the remaining mafia, and Foolishness and bum both can't be scum. GMarshal, Radfield are fairly clear imo, and I know I'm not mafia. Eiii was cleared by IS, but he could be GF.


This is a bad assumption I think. We already know that scum collided their numbers at least once. Either Chez/Kurumi, or Chez/Tnkted(we don't know if chez was 4 or 9). Hunting scum based on numbers is an ineffective strategy. I've said it before, but if I had been mafia this game, I would have pushed to either double up or triple up on numbers with scum. Frankly, I think it's the reason there are so many 9's(Chez, Ace and Kurumi all take 9).


Either way, Caller should be vigged tonight if we have one.


I agree with this.
I'd also really like it if a rolecop could verify chaoser's claim.
As to all other DT actions, the risk of the framing godfather means we can't direct them. I trust them to do what they must. I'm considering saving my list check tonight and using a rolecheck instead. Thoughts?



Well, keep in mind that if we have a XIIGF in the game, he is immune to role and alignment checks, and will just make the other scum look innocent as well. The mole will likely be open to a check, but the mole is likely one of the players who have appeared pro-town so far.

Until we kill the gf(if there is one), we can't rely on role checks or alignment checks. Unless they flip scum of course, as I doubt the GF will try to frame someone(and if he does, he leaves all the other scum open to checks).

Vigging Caller is fine.


I would stick with the list checks, possibly even checking one of the lists you've already checked. That would likely reveal if we have a gf around, as his scum buddy will probably get innocented tonight.

IE: if you check the Incog vote list again, and we show up with 0 mafia, then we know that one of those players was covered. If it comes up with 1 mafia, then we know all investigations directed at those players are likely legit(as no one was covered). Again, the mole screws with this a bit, but that can't be avoided(mole is really hard to deal with )
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
May 24 2011 16:44 GMT
#1655
Don't check the same lists over again.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 24 2011 18:29 GMT
#1656
tsk tsk, so much effort for so little gain.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6785 Posts
May 24 2011 19:58 GMT
#1657
On May 25 2011 03:29 Ace wrote:
tsk tsk, so much effort for so little gain.

So what's your strategy Ace? Is the mafia that confident they've already won?
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 24 2011 20:08 GMT
#1658
We've already got all the answers in front of us. Read the thread, but ignore all of Wrongfield's posts. Everything makes sense then :D
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
May 24 2011 20:52 GMT
#1659
Look where we are. At our present state. This is where we're heading.
you gotta dance
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
May 25 2011 00:48 GMT
#1660
Chaoser, as soon as you get back here, say my role please. I need a proper entrance.
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