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On May 16 2011 04:18 flamewheel wrote: I'm going to be taking a page out of Ace's book, since I don't feel like getting into arguments that don't matter. I'll say each of the following once, and I'm not going to deal with them again until they become relevant with data. Numbers aren't important yet, but they will be soon. bumatlarge (by the way, I still pronounce your name as "boom-at-large"), I agree with you on a vast majority of your listing, though I'm going to disagree with your relegation of the Rock Star role. Consequently, I disagree with most of Radfield's. There are just too many roles in this game with killing power / "anti-town" potential to tie down to people. Your plan effectively makes top-slot townies useless and enables top-slot Mafia to have their anti-town powers. I don't care if you know where these powers are--this game can easily go as Toy Factory did, and be over in two or three cycles. bumatlarge--as an "Imba/self protection" role the Rock Star is quite top-notch. Not only would whoever chose it be protected to a very high degree, but he would also know two people who didn't get roles--and that second part is, in my opinion, more of a sale than the first, especially if whomever ends up partying I will be taking either Rock Star or Chuiu Jack as my role. Were I feeling more involved in the game at the moment, I'd lean toward Rock Star, since that would allow me to have amazing backtracking ability. However, the brokenness of the Jack completely boggles my mind. I'll probably be choosing that. Inventor is awesome[ly broken] and you guys should keep up the discussion on that, but I think somebody else would be able to better use the role. No you. Sounds good to me. I didn't really read to much into it, but you convinced me. So the next imba person would probably say whether he will take inventor or a defensive role. I still like my batman's vigilance thing for him. On May 16 2011 05:23 Scamp wrote: I'm really confused about Radfield's no-pick list. He introduces it as his own creation but it's actually just a copy-paste of Bumatlarge's list with a few odd changes. Firstly, he replaces Janitor with the Day Vig and then adds Janitor back on the list toward the end. Next, he replaces both godfather roles with the recruiting mason. Caller GF is in his top 6 so that makes sense but why remove the other godfather role from the no-pick list, and what's bad about taking recruiting mason? Finally, he removed 'traitors' from the list. Why would you do this? He replaced it with the PYP3 Veteran. Why add that and not, say, hero or rock star? Why does neither no-pick list have the framer? That seems pretty anti-town to me. I copied radfield's no-pick list. I took out the dayvig and added the janitor because someone brought it up. I dont really see why the day vig is instant scum, its a very powerful town role, and it only draws attention to scum if they use it. All godfathers are very anti town, but caller GF is a good role to deny, along with thief. I would shorten radfield's list and say FW - CJ/rockstar (what he said) Scamp - inventor/defense Caller - Thief (hes probably going to pick traitor though or something) Barundar - Caller GF Radfield - Vote rigger (im assuming he would follow his own plan here) If anyone in the top5 is not going to be doing this or wants to take the FW path, tell us. (looking at you caller) I really have very little concern for journalist. If we see something massively out of the ordinary, we can analyze previous posting and see if we can draw anything conclusive. Otherwise we will still have doubts. Let mafia take journalist, it would make the game more fun and I think it would be less dangerous then other roles. I don't really feel comfortable making people pick a role, so I think they should present two options. I believe just threatening to take the role is enough, and as long as they can explain any scenario with a role they have given us, I'll be satisfied. And here is what I think the no-pick list should be. + Show Spoiler + NRA Member Hero Bomber Man Emperor Admiral Ackbar Pardoner Cupid Prince of Darkness Suicide Bomber Politician Agent of Chaos Roleblocker Role Reverser Framer Bone Breaker Puppeteer Hooker Janitor PYP 3 Veteran Bus Driver I dont think dayvig, emperor and zombie having a record of not hitting mafia is a good reason to put them on the bad list. Played correctly, they can both be helpful even if they don't hit red (making us avoid a mislynch instead). Obviously they shouldn't be going off just their gut, which I find was a major source of baddity for these roles. I think america and kingmaker should claim immediately, and if they don't we can act as if they are on the no-list. THEY SHOULD NOT CLAIM BEFORE PICKS, BECAUSE OF POLITCIAN BEING AN ABSOLUTE CUNT-ROLE. ^You know what, politician is a good scum role without america and kingmaker in the game, don't pick these roles. And I will update the list based off the top5 thing. I will move people up because, god dammit I want an imba role. (and why not use them?) Imba/self protection 6. GMarshal 7. Deconduo 8. Foolishness 9. bumatlarge + Show Spoiler + Bad Santa* CPR Doctor* Assassin Capitalist Mafia 4 Veteran Mad Hatter Mafia 4 Hatter Meth Man Bullet Proof ( * = should probably claim soon or at some point to help KP analyzing) Mafia hunting 10. Kavdragon 11. Chaoser 12. Fishball 13. KillerSOS 14. Eiii 15. Infinitestory + Show Spoiler + Mafia 2 Detective NKVD Agent Alignment Cop Modern Detective Role Cop Bullet Bill PYP Watcher PYP Tracker Parity Cop Dirty cop Vig/Misc 16. Dreamflower 17. Mr.Wiggles 18. Original Name 19. tnkted 20. Chezinu 21. Ace + Show Spoiler + Anything you think would help town, or anything that isn't on the no-no list or on the list below this. Good spot to take a standard vig/mad hatter roles of sorts. Protective/Defensive/Misc 22. Kurumi 23. Incognito 24. Node 25. kitaman27 + Show Spoiler + Priest Medic Doctor Witch Bodyguard First targets would be who you think is most helpful town, then Id say the power or DT roles. I believe I will be picking either Bad Santa or Mad Hatter. | ||
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On May 16 2011 14:29 OriginalName wrote: Ok now that 48 hours of wifom is over I have a question. Is going through pregame really worth the amount of effort over results or should we play this like a normal game? Im going to answer this by saying: sort of. The biggest reason behind this are plans proposed by Radfield and Batman both are basically the same thing. Pro-town plans to attempt to control roles. When has this ever worked in PYP? Never, invariably someone always effs it up. So why bother with wifom, the only real analysis done on actual people was done by Caller, so really I think our best move is to play the game like a really blue heavy normal game. Im liable to think somebody who suggested a no-pick list is scum just because it looks towny on the outside, control is a scum style so why let them get away with it. No, I think it definitely worked in PYP2, it brought a lot of pressure on the first slots, who will inevitably get good roles. PYP1 was a bit fluky, and PYP3s plan was brought forward by LSB the SK, and the plan gave everyone a particular role. If the mafia team coordinated a bit more, we could have denied and fucked up a lot more towny stuff with that plan. Even when we did a little bit, we created a lot of chaos and what not. I was trying to distribute blue roles as best as possible without causing mafia having any clue exactly who has what. I'd be susprised if more then 50% of people listened to me, so the only thing I'd say for certain is that mafia did grab some of the no-pick list. They would be stupid not to. | ||
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chaoser deconduo originalname killersos Eiii dreamflower chezinu caller Fishball These are minimal posters. I don't believe their posting has at least a bit of effort put into them. I know most people were in a trend of not discussing certain details as the lack of information passed around does have a benefit to town, but role discussion was mandatory, and I felt most of these players outright ignored that portion. I'm more used to chaoser and deconduo being much more active, regardless of alignment. These two are PMing, or on some IRC/forum chatting it up with scumbuddies about what their schemes are. I'll be putting my vote on chaoser. ##Vote Chaoser | ||
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On May 16 2011 18:18 Eiii wrote: haha, I have no clue what this means. Anyway, since I get called out for lurking just about every game might as well reassure people right now: I get involved when shit starts actually happening, don't worry about it. Still don't really know how to read these early stages .-. :/ You're pretty obnoxious to deal with, you know? You did this in PYP3. | ||
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I'll look into barundar's play raddy, we'll share stories and laugh the whole night, have a grand lark. | ||
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Can the normal GF change the role/alignment of any player or just mafia? Is he essentially a stronger framer? I still think a better and safer lynch would be chaoser or deconduo. Also rad, did you confirm that you are vote rigger or are you going to leave it a secret? I have plans if you'd like to share. | ||
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Can someone shed some light here? | ||
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Whos got the good role foolishness? who are we killing that isnt useless. People lynch useful people and its like "oh why you do that he so townie" and then we lynch nobodies and its like "oh why him obvious townie" Screw it all chaoser is scum. Im leaving my vote on and if you want to lynch scum you'll help me. He's not posting like hes blue because its PYPInsane; you dont get to be able to have that excuse. He's scum. I'd love to analyze him but all his scummy posts are discussing what he can do with his scumbuddies to win the game in one night. | ||
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On May 18 2011 07:07 Chezinu wrote: You need to invite me to your treehouse first. + Show Spoiler + Back to business, Chez you really think node is scum? | ||
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On May 18 2011 19:57 Radfield wrote: Bumatlarge. Where were you(I don't mean this literally)? You vehemently defended Kavdragon early on, but completely disappeared for 6 hours, despite the heat growing considerably on him, only to pop in 1 minute after the day post to apologize. You never once pushed for Barundar, a player who was a viable alternative to Kav. No need to be aggressive when you did so little to stop it from happening. In other news, I look forward to you netting us scum. I was playing Terraria, when I looked at the clock it was too late blame the game! I would have just said this a different way.On May 17 2011 20:40 bumatlarge wrote: Haha kavdragon as a suspect again because hes trying too hard, thats funny guys havent heard that before. Lynch him later sure, when a case has been built up and he has added to his crimes. When it becomes apparent that he should be the target the next day, because we dont have a completely different bag of fish to fry. If you lynch him now because he's trying too hard like he has FOR THE PAST 5 FUCKING GAMES AS TOWN, I WILL BLOW A FUCKING NUT. And this happens exactly as I say. Sorry I wasn't around to vehemently call people stupid to the point where I would probably get banned. It's good though, because maybe I won't get shot yet, and I still won't get lynched. Not gonna comment on checking me, because thats up to the DTs. The only hard part is figuring out who is scum and who is just being plain awful. GM for instance. Geez man you better then anyone should have seen the Kav thing coming. Oh well. Let's see what night brings us.  | ||
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