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On May 09 2011 04:30 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +Cthsazsa (4)
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redtooth
Varpulis
ilovejonn
Amber[light] (3)
chaoser
sandroba
chaos13 We've been talking about these two all day and I think it's fair to say that at the end of the day we get the most out of lynching one of these two. That being said, people should decide on whether to vote on one or the other. Voting all willy-nilly on people that no one else is focusing on (Beneather, Forumite, redtooth, and kevconism) isn't helping anyone and just allows mafia to randomly vote and not have to deal with the consequences.
Cthsazsa (4)
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redtooth
VarpuliS
ilovejonn
Amber[light] (3)
chaoser
sandroba
chaos13
Sandroba (3)
Eternalmisfit
Amber[Light]
DropBear
Again, Chaoser conveniently drops Sandroba off the list even though Amber and Sandroba have equal votes at this point (of which chaos13's vote seems as bandwagon-ish as it can be).
Having said that, despite my misgivings with Chaoser and Sandroba, I do agree that the vote is way too fragmented and with 10 people yet to vote, mafia can easily make last minute votes to influence the lynch. I would agree with focusing on these three in my opinion.
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Again, Chaoser conveniently drops Sandroba off the list even though Amber and Sandroba have equal votes at this point (of which chaos13's vote seems as bandwagon-ish as it can be).
Because sandroba is probably the most pro-townie player I've seen in this game. I hosted Sleeper Cell Mafia and so I've seen his scum play. He knew Ace and Jackal were mafia from day 1 and so it's a decent read on his scum play and his play in this game is not at all like his play in that game.
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Fair enough.
##Unvote: Irish_Punk13
##Vote: Cthsazsa
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On May 09 2011 04:30 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +Cthsazsa (4)
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redtooth
Varpulis
ilovejonn
Amber[light] (3)
chaoser
sandroba
chaos13 We've been talking about these two all day and I think it's fair to say that at the end of the day we get the most out of lynching one of these two. That being said, people should decide on whether to vote on one or the other. Voting all willy-nilly on people that no one else is focusing on (Beneather, Forumite, redtooth, and kevconism) isn't helping anyone and just allows mafia to randomly vote and not have to deal with the consequences.
What about your buddy sandroba?
sandroba(3)
Eternalmisfit
Amber[LighT]
DropBear
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I'm getting off for a while. Gotta spend time with my madre.
I changed my vote to sandroba.
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On May 09 2011 04:50 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 04:30 chaoser wrote:Cthsazsa (4)
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redtooth
Varpulis
ilovejonn
Amber[light] (3)
chaoser
sandroba
chaos13 We've been talking about these two all day and I think it's fair to say that at the end of the day we get the most out of lynching one of these two. That being said, people should decide on whether to vote on one or the other. Voting all willy-nilly on people that no one else is focusing on (Beneather, Forumite, redtooth, and kevconism) isn't helping anyone and just allows mafia to randomly vote and not have to deal with the consequences. What about your buddy sandroba? sandroba(3) Eternalmisfit Amber[LighT] DropBear
More useless bullshit I see. You say I'm the most scummy but then you vote sandroba based on "connection"? Why not just be like redtooth and vote for me? Yeah, I thought so.
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On May 09 2011 04:44 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +Again, Chaoser conveniently drops Sandroba off the list even though Amber and Sandroba have equal votes at this point (of which chaos13's vote seems as bandwagon-ish as it can be). Because sandroba is probably the most pro-townie player I've seen in this game. I hosted Sleeper Cell Mafia and so I've seen his scum play. He knew Ace and Jackal were mafia from day 1 and so it's a decent read on his scum play and his play in this game is not at all like his play in that game.
I think this debate is going in circles. I have a weak suspicion on you and a strong scum-read on Sandroba. You and Sandroba both seem to have a strong scum read on Amber. Given this, in the decision on who to include and who not to include in the smaller focus set, both you and me will be biased. I would prefer to have Cthasazsa and Sandroba and you would prefer to have Cthazazsa and Amber.
Given this situation, would you trust me to make the decision of a smaller focus set alone? I bet not. And that the exact same reason I cannot trust you make the decision of deciding who should be included in the smaller focus set.
I am not sure of your leanings and have not seen any strong analysis showing why you have a strong town read on Sandroba. If you can convince me with such an analysis, I would gladly concede on having Sandroba removed from the focus set. But until then, since enough people are suspicious of both Amber and Sandroba, I would recommend having both of them and Cthazazsa in there.
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On May 09 2011 04:53 Cthsazsa wrote:
I'm getting off for a while. Gotta spend time with my madre.
I changed my vote to sandroba.
What the hell happened to Redtooth? 10 people haven't voted yet, it's hardly a lost cause...
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On May 09 2011 05:06 Eternalmisfit wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 04:44 chaoser wrote:Again, Chaoser conveniently drops Sandroba off the list even though Amber and Sandroba have equal votes at this point (of which chaos13's vote seems as bandwagon-ish as it can be). Because sandroba is probably the most pro-townie player I've seen in this game. I hosted Sleeper Cell Mafia and so I've seen his scum play. He knew Ace and Jackal were mafia from day 1 and so it's a decent read on his scum play and his play in this game is not at all like his play in that game. I think this debate is going in circles. I have a weak suspicion on you and a strong scum-read on Sandroba. You and Sandroba both seem to have a strong scum read on Amber. Given this, in the decision on who to include and who not to include in the smaller focus set, both you and me will be biased. I would prefer to have Cthasazsa and Sandroba and you would prefer to have Cthazazsa and Amber. Given this situation, would you trust me to make the decision of a smaller focus set alone? I bet not. And that the exact same reason I cannot trust you make the decision of deciding who should be included in the smaller focus set. I am not sure of your leanings and have not seen any strong analysis showing why you have a strong town read on Sandroba. If you can convince me with such an analysis, I would gladly concede on having Sandroba removed from the focus set. But until then, since enough people are suspicious of both Amber and Sandroba, I would recommend having both of them and Cthazazsa in there.
Here's a question then, why would two mafia, since you have a weak scum read on me and a strong read on Sandroba, try their ass off to get Amber out of all people lynched. He has no useful posts (if you're going to compare his posts to sandroba, you'll see that sandroba is at least contributing and giving opinions on matters. Amber has been pretty much saying the same thing everyone else is saying, copying ideas from everyone else who has written about sandroba.) If we were mafia you think we'd BOTH stick our necks out to get AMBER out of all people lynched? It wasn't even like the Amber situation only came up after sandroba situation came up to draw pressure off amber, it happened the other way around.
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On May 09 2011 04:53 Cthsazsa wrote:
I'm getting off for a while. Gotta spend time with my madre.
I changed my vote to sandroba.
Obviously.
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Ill get you next time Forumite.
##unvote
##vote Amber[Light]
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On May 09 2011 05:30 Kenpachi wrote:
Ill get you next time Forumite.
##unvote
##vote Amber[Light]
I hear you.
By the way, do you have any reasoning to go against Amber[Light] over the other candidates?
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On May 09 2011 05:19 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 05:06 Eternalmisfit wrote:On May 09 2011 04:44 chaoser wrote:Again, Chaoser conveniently drops Sandroba off the list even though Amber and Sandroba have equal votes at this point (of which chaos13's vote seems as bandwagon-ish as it can be). Because sandroba is probably the most pro-townie player I've seen in this game. I hosted Sleeper Cell Mafia and so I've seen his scum play. He knew Ace and Jackal were mafia from day 1 and so it's a decent read on his scum play and his play in this game is not at all like his play in that game. I think this debate is going in circles. I have a weak suspicion on you and a strong scum-read on Sandroba. You and Sandroba both seem to have a strong scum read on Amber. Given this, in the decision on who to include and who not to include in the smaller focus set, both you and me will be biased. I would prefer to have Cthasazsa and Sandroba and you would prefer to have Cthazazsa and Amber. Given this situation, would you trust me to make the decision of a smaller focus set alone? I bet not. And that the exact same reason I cannot trust you make the decision of deciding who should be included in the smaller focus set. I am not sure of your leanings and have not seen any strong analysis showing why you have a strong town read on Sandroba. If you can convince me with such an analysis, I would gladly concede on having Sandroba removed from the focus set. But until then, since enough people are suspicious of both Amber and Sandroba, I would recommend having both of them and Cthazazsa in there. Here's a question then, why would two mafia, since you have a weak scum read on me and a strong read on Sandroba, try their ass off to get Amber out of all people lynched. He has no useful posts (if you're going to compare his posts to sandroba, you'll see that sandroba is at least contributing and giving opinions on matters. Amber has been pretty much saying the same thing everyone else is saying, copying ideas from everyone else who has written about sandroba.) If we were mafia you think we'd BOTH stick our necks out to get AMBER out of all people lynched? It wasn't even like the Amber situation only came up after sandroba situation came up to draw pressure off amber, it happened the other way around.
Let me recap the events of last night. You started off with a FoS on Amber which was followed by Sandroba's rather quick jump from redtooth onto Amber. At the point where I first pointed Sandroba seemed suspicious, a bandwagon seemed to be forming against Amber. Several others started stating Amber seemed a little scummy without backing it up with any analysis.
If I had not raised my suspicions on Sandroba, a similar bandwagon to the one on Kurumi would have formed on Amber. Even if Amber flipped green/blue after a lynch, it would be hard to pinpoint any scum strongly since a large number of townies would have been mixed in with the scum (like what happened with Kurumi). At this point, even if the lynch of Amber goes ahead and he flips town, it will be quite clear who all are suspicious.
As to why Mafia would want Amber dead, I (and also several others in this thread) have got a potential blue read from Amber. Getting a blue lynched would be a big victory for scum at this point since town already lost 2 blues on Night1.
As for my case against Sandroba, I have stated it before and do not see the necessity of restating it again.
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On May 09 2011 01:28 chaoser wrote:
The thread is not crap, the voting is crap. You know how easy it is to see townie in all of this. Everyone is making huge analysis on people, you'll be damn sure mafia ain't going to be comfortable with this. They might make some half-hearted bullshit post up since they can just sit back and relax but that's to our advantage. They'll post weak arguments that are half-assed and we can easily catch them on it Mafia are going to be the ones lurking and not contributing much, not contributing out their ass. You can think I'm mafia all you want but then you're just ignoring people like amber and ilovejohn. I can't believe you're going after kenpachi....even BC stopped trying to read him, he's not a good lynch at all. The voting is crap as a result of the thread being crap. The voting is simply an easier way to see how crappy the thread is. Also, I have absolutely no idea how Kenpachi plays and am assuming he is a veteran simply because you said he was a veteran. I literally don't remember how any of you guys play.
On May 09 2011 01:44 chaoser wrote:
Post @"I saw Killer was blue"
I actually didn't notice this and will have to look back on it. If there's actual proof that he is blue, I'd be VERY impressed because that was something I simply did not consider or see coming. However, that makes your lynch of obvtown Kurumi even more suspicious.
@"5 bucks Irish makes final minute post"
I'll call and raise you a policy lynch. If he gets modkilled and flips green, take the auto-lynch or vigi hit. I'll do the same if he doesn't come back and eventually flips red.
@"Why you say Amber is suspicious and say I'm scummy?"
*sigh* Suspicious =/= Scummy. If you're such a good townreader then you should be able to see that. He's been decently suspicious, even more so since you framed it that way to the rest of the town, and I can understand why his lynch is being pushed by others so hard. But you have accepted that we should hold a higher standard for you, right? As a result, I expect you to make better reads than simple "He is suspicious" ones. He reads very town to me and I don't understand why you don't see that.
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On May 09 2011 05:19 chaoser wrote:
If we were mafia you think we'd BOTH stick our necks out to get AMBER out of all people lynched? I don´t follow this reasoning. Mafia killpower is 3/night for now. Being undetected and creating confusion is Mafias primary goal, lynching strong Town is secondary. It´s much easier to kill the right person with a nightkill, so Mafia don´t need to lynch strong Town in order to win, just stay undetected. Pushing a lynch on an easy target over a strong player is not a Towntell.
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On May 09 2011 05:42 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 05:30 Kenpachi wrote:
Ill get you next time Forumite.
##unvote
##vote Amber[Light] I hear you. By the way, do you have any reasoning to go against Amber[Light] over the other candidates?
I lied.
You are Town
I just read over the last posts and i was damned to be wrong again. I initially assumed Amber was townie but i see now.
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On May 09 2011 05:48 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Let me recap the events of last night. You started off with a FoS on Amber which was followed by Sandroba's rather quick jump from redtooth onto Amber. At the point where I first pointed Sandroba seemed suspicious, a bandwagon seemed to be forming against Amber. Several others started stating Amber seemed a little scummy without backing it up with any analysis.
If I had not raised my suspicions on Sandroba, a similar bandwagon to the one on Kurumi would have formed on Amber. Even if Amber flipped green/blue after a lynch, it would be hard to pinpoint any scum strongly since a large number of townies would have been mixed in with the scum (like what happened with Kurumi). At this point, even if the lynch of Amber goes ahead and he flips town, it will be quite clear who all are suspicious.
As to why Mafia would want Amber dead, I (and also several others in this thread) have got a potential blue read from Amber. Getting a blue lynched would be a big victory for scum at this point since town already lost 2 blues on Night1.
As for my case against Sandroba, I have stated it before and do not see the necessity of restating it again.
You actually got the time line wrong. Aidnai started to put pressure on Amber on day 1 with a promise of a real case against him on Day 2. At this time I also said that I had suspicions on Amber. Aidnai then died after Night 1. There was talk between sandroba and redtooth at night about his rules and I think it is around this time that sandroba moves his redtooth suspicions. He states this in a post.
So as you can see, there was substantial suspicion against Amber way before sandroba was even mentioned. If mafia thought amber was blue, they'd just snipe him at night, not get him lynched. They're go for easy targets like Kenpachi or Cthsazsa. You talk about a bandwagon but there's really no bandwagon on him. 3 (now 4) people formed over two days a bandwagon does not make. If anything there's a bandwagon on Cthsazsa.
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On May 09 2011 03:56 chaoser wrote:
@Forumite, if amber is blue, he's playing the worst blue ever. He's been consciously trying to fake contribute. Blues don't do that. @Everybody, if chaoser is green, he's playing the worst green ever. He's been consistently wrong on his reads but nevertheless keeps trying to act the leader and advocate new lynches. Greens don't do that.
Also, I looked for your post where you hinted that KillerSOS was blue. Couldn't find it. While that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, could you help me find it by linking it to me?
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I'll call and raise you a policy lynch. If he gets modkilled and flips green, take the auto-lynch or vigi hit. I'll do the same if he doesn't come back and eventually flips red.
I'll bring the same deal I brought to youngminii, if he flips green, I will youtube a video of me singing a popular K-Pop song. If he flips red, you have to do it. KK?
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Oh, and that's including a policy lynch.
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