EPT@kurumi: No. If you read the first line it says FOS list. For example if Redtooth is red, than most likely KillerSOS is not and so on.
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
@kurumi: No. If you read the first line it says FOS list. For example if Redtooth is red, than most likely KillerSOS is not and so on. | ||
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Kurumi
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On May 06 2011 03:52 Ace wrote: this is only Day 1? Yes  I really want to pull of some miracle,meh. | ||
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Node
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On May 06 2011 03:52 Ace wrote: this is only Day 1? Yep. Night in 8 hours. | ||
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GGQ
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On May 06 2011 03:34 Kurumi wrote: I wonder why he is bringing serajai's play onto this Mafia. I did not read it and I would not think that my tactic is good anymore after doing that. There's no smurfs,right? So I couldn't flip Serejai's Smurf. I'm not saying you are Serejai's smurf -_- I'm saying you were using the same scum strategy; post nonsense and act like you have no idea what's going on so people will just ignore you. It worked for Serejai last game; he avoided a lynch until I shot him (I was a vigilante). I'm not a vigilante this game, so my only way to kill you was to vote for you. Now it seems like after you went afk for a while, you've come back with a new strategy to explain your previous bad posting as some kind of gambit. But your gambit was terrible. Act scummy and accuse the people who vote for you? That's ridiculous, of course people are going to vote for you if you act scummy. That tells us nothing. So you are either town trying to act like scum for really bad reasons, or you are scum using some last ditch defense to avoid a lynch. I prefer to think that you're scum. I'm keeping my vote on Kurumi for now, but I'd also support a lynch on redtooth. He is defending Kurumi and Irish, the two most likely to get lynched today. This strikes me as scum play because a townie would be trying to get scum lynched, not trying to defend both people who are up for lynching. It's likely that all three are mafia, or perhaps that redtooth is mafia and the other two are town so he'll get town cred when either of them flips. Add in that he also is trying to discredit one of the stronger voices in this game with a whole bunch of WIFOM, and I see a pretty strong case against him. | ||
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GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
On May 06 2011 00:03 DropBear wrote: On Lyter Lyter has 3 posts in the thread since the game began properly, 5 overall. That's cool, fair enough. Um, lol? This is either really nooby or just plain trying to hide. Take a stance! You obviously did your thinking. You have no other posts after your thinking post though. Please explain? I am not accusing you just yet but I'd like to hear your reasoning. This post rings some bells in my head. There was no need for a PbP analysis here, you just needed to tell Lyter to post more and explain his vote. Doing a PbP in this instance feels like an attempt to gain townie cred for nothing. | ||
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orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
On May 06 2011 02:49 chaoser wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/jEcjA.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/QrdnS.png) Great post. We need to look at the people who've been pointing fingers indiscriminately, like 5, 18, and 22. Hmm... I'm trying to see a pattern here between the players the reds want to coordinate against or no. Are the numbers in chronological order of the way they were speaking out against? | ||
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AirbladeOrange
United States2573 Posts
I think Chaoser is town and I also believe Redtooth could be mafia. I was not convinced by his last big post. How is Irish an obvious townie? I just don't see that point at all. Lastly, Cthsazsa is probably mafia. On May 05 2011 06:46 Cthsazsa wrote: I'll give my thoughts so far on this. I've noticed a lot of finger-pointing going around. A good example would be of KillerSOS qucikly criticizing Rising_Pheonix's post as spam, even though all he did was give his viewpoint on the current situation? Sandroba is very quick to accuse people as being scum. As a few people have already said, Kurumi's posts are strange. It seemed like that at first he was trying to attack chaoser, and then started claiming him to be a good pro-townie? AirBlade's post instantly looked like anti-town. He was suggesting that we lynch Kurumi, and then he said that even if Kurumi is a townie, it's still okay. As I said earlier, right now all we're doing is pointing fingers and forcing people into corners to make them look suspicious. I still haven't seen a good, legitimate reason for voting off someone yet. This is just stalling, wasting time. We need to put heat on people and make stands. Townies being passive generally help the mafia pick us apart. | ||
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orgolove
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elmizzt
United States3309 Posts
On May 06 2011 04:15 orgolove wrote: Great post. We need to look at the people who've been pointing fingers indiscriminately, like 5, 18, and 22. Hmm... I'm trying to see a pattern here between the players the reds want to coordinate against or no. Are the numbers in chronological order of the way they were speaking out against? It seems that they are in the order that they appear in the roster in the OP. Basically the order that players signed up in. | ||
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orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
Hm. Can you give me this spreadsheet? I may have some pattern recognition software that I might be able to gather, and coordinate the time of the accusatory posts with the contents to see if a particular group of players (reds) were on-line and accusing the same person at around the same point in time. | ||
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sandroba
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Kurumi
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elmizzt
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On May 06 2011 04:23 orgolove wrote: I mean - in terms of the order they spoke in the thread- i.e. chaoser, in order, accused 27, 21, 1, 22, 15, 9 in the thread within the span of 1 day. Hm. Can you give me this spreadsheet? I may have some pattern recognition software that I might be able to gather, and coordinate the time of the accusatory posts with the contents to see if a particular group of players (reds) were on-line and accusing the same person at around the same point in time. oh, that's embarrassing lol. my mistake | ||
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orgolove
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aidnai
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On May 05 2011 21:20 VarpuliS wrote: I'm on the fence between lynching Irish_Punk13 and Kurumi. At this point it seems to me that Irish is only scum if Kurumi is too. People are pushing a lynch on Irish because of the information he'll provide when he flips, but I think that we can get all of that information from a lynch on Kurumi. Situation A: Kurumi flips scum, it is very likely that Irish is as well. We lynch Irish the next day, and we get our information, just a day later. Situation B: Kurumi flips town. Irish is probably town, we move on. The only real scumtell from Irish is noting Kurumi's "great posts" which don't exist. If Kurumi is town, then Irish is just an idiot. I'm posting from my phone, classes start soon and I probably won't have time to check the thread again until the afternoon. First, to address your line of thinking: lynching for information is a bad idea, that is not why we are lynching either player. Your situations and hypothetical ideas are in fact wrong, if we lynch either player, we will not get any reliable information for the next lynch. We get at most a piece of evidence that we'll be able to factor into a decision. Kurumi is probably town, based on two things: - thread response to pressure on him (easy bandwagon) - His posts are extremely un-'guarded'. Meaning, it seems clear that the last thing on his mind is trying his hardest to look like a town, which is actually the first thing on the mind of a scum. In this sense, yes, it is true that the most 'obvious' scum are often bad townies. Irish_punk on the other hand: - is ignored as a bandwagon target - his posts (what few there are) are in fact guarded, and now he's too scared to show his face around here. Please consider switching your vote. On May 05 2011 21:47 redtooth wrote: As I consider myself a player who could stand some improvement, I'm interested in seeing you differentiate killerSOS from kurumi and AO. I currently am reading AO Kurumi and Killer all as noobtownies, AO less noob than the others.@Kitaman - Well you can't blame me for RL obligations (I'll be less active during evening today as well). Anyways, it's not as much a scumhunting list as it is a townhunting list. At the top is Chaoser for all of the above information. Then comes KillerSOS because he honestly is making every noobscum action in the book without the orgy of information found on the others. Kurumi, Irish, and AO are all looking extremely noobtown to me. Every argument used against them could be used to argue that they're noobtown. On May 05 2011 22:13 KillerSOS wrote: I'm curious as to what a noobscum mistake I made was. I must learn something productive today! (other than still working on my paper...) This seems like an extremely weird question to ask, but i'm interested in the answer to this as well. :/ On May 06 2011 00:09 chaos13 wrote: The style of game you guys play here is way beyond what I'm used to on UG, so I apologize for my relative lack of usefulness while I try to figure things out. Kurumi has not done anything to redeem himself in my eyes. His posts have remained useless and confusing. I don't see what a townie would have to gain by lining themselves up for a lynch, so I think that is just his defense for being caught as scum, trying to make us afraid to lynch him so we aren't labeled as scum. If he flips red, then we can take a closer look at the people who are connected to him, such as Irish_Punk. He is standing out to me more than any other player so far. I find it suspicious that all you have done so far is defend irish and attack kurumi. Kurumi is in fact an easy target, so i can hardly blame anyone for wagoning him, but if that is the ONLY thing you have done, it looks fishy. FOS chaos13. On May 06 2011 02:21 DropBear wrote: ... There are a LOT of people who are hiding. Beneather Mig Amber[Light] Kenpachi GGQ Rising_Phoenix Takuna Lyter all need to talk more. The discussion is being completely dominated by the same few players. My vote remains on Beneather. added in Lyter for you. Would also like to add conversion to this list. Players like beneather and amber have been around long enough that I doubt they will be easily vote-pressured into appearing. I hope you'll consider using your vote elsewhere. On May 06 2011 03:00 Kurumi wrote: Well about Chaoser as scum,they started throwing that when he posted a newbie guide. I thought it is really dumb to say he is scum based on doing that and to spice things up,it was just the start. Still I don't understand Sandroba calling out for help without doing any real contribution,why he goes after Chaoser (and the SC2 forums posting style) and this is mainly what makes me wonder about him. Also I think he changes his vote on me because he thinks it will be easier to lynch me. When I read sandroba asking chaoser for help, I understood that to mean that Sandroba looks up to chaoser. Asking for chaoser's opinion can help sandroba validate his own opinion about conversion and at the same time make a new opinion--about chaoser! I can understand this because I think and behave the same way in thread. When Chaoser didn't really buy the analysis, sandroba dropped it for a while, imo because he respects chaoser's opinion a lot. But he still brought it up later looking for more support, showing that he actually meant what he said in the first place. All of this is consistent from my point of view with sandroba being a greenie. On May 06 2011 03:08 Forumite wrote: For trying too hard to defend Irish. ##Unote: Kurumi ##Vote: redtooth (I´m posting in the other thread too, just wanted to be polite and inform people of the voting here too, since it´s easier to see updates in the main thread) Imo, it's too early to lynch a vet. Your point is absolutely valid however, and I would like discussion of this to continue tomorrow, and if we are able to flip irish today it will be that much more meaningful. Please consider changing your vote. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
Kurumi What kind of townie purposely acts scummy in order to call people out for recognizing the scumminess? I'm really not sure what he was trying to accomplish. The way he jumped on the AO bandwagon so quickly concerns me. Irish_Punk13 This guy has been completely absent from the discussion after initially responding aggressively to pressure. His play so far has differed from his UG game as mafia, but that doesn't mean he hasn't changed up his playstyle in a more hostile environment. By ignoring the situation, he is digging his own grave. Amber[light] None of his posts have really stood out, but its been more the lack of posts that have been suspicious. I watched him in Insane 2 as scum and he was really lurky. Right now, he reminds me of Darth from last game, where everyone ignored him until late game, even though he was a vet that should be posting. Redtooth He calls chaoser out for being too safe, yet rather than calling anyone out as scum, he posts a town list. It seems as if he doesn't want to upset anyone so early in the game. On May 05 2011 02:20 kitaman27 wrote: I assure everyone, there was no inside joke taking place when this vote was cast. The fact that you were smurfing in a previous game doesn't bother me, but what interests me is why would you lie about it. I called him out earlier on a lie, not because I care that he was smurfing, but to see how he responds and he completely ignores it. The way he disappears after stirring the pot makes him look shifty, but he claims to have real life obligations, which makes it tough to tell if he is lurking or not. | ||
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elmizzt
United States3309 Posts
On May 06 2011 04:28 orgolove wrote: Oh wow. I didn't even realize it was chaoser himself that made the spreadsheet. Ugh. Hmm.... No, it was eternalmisfit. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On May 06 2011 04:28 orgolove wrote: Oh wow. I didn't even realize it was chaoser himself that made the spreadsheet. Ugh. Hmm.... Its not, he just pasted the images. | ||
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