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pHelix Equilibria
United States1134 Posts
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aScle
Australia375 Posts
On April 24 2011 22:18 pHelix Equilibria wrote: After reading quite abit of these analyses. Its hard to make judgement calls when people are making these analysis out of 2 or 3 posts that are like 3 sentences long. If there isn't enough to information to draw conclusions from, the best bet would be the inactive. They had a days to say something. At the least we can keep the people interested in the game to stay and therefore more posts to look at. Thats my two cents. And who exactly are these inactives you speak of? Pretty much everyone so far currently has made a post/posts indicating that they are in fact active. | ||
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jaminz
United States208 Posts
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Enervate
United States1769 Posts
##Vote jaminz Mafia members would know I'm not a mafia member and try to vote me. Seems like 3 people have voted me so far. Hmmmmm. | ||
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jaminz
United States208 Posts
On April 25 2011 02:13 Enervate wrote: If I was mafia, wouldn't I be trying to defend myself more and vote for other people? In my opinion, mafia members have more motive to participate actively and try to vote people who aren't mafia members. I mean, mafia members must have realized by now that not writing huge long posts makes you look suspicious. ##Vote jaminz Mafia members would know I'm not a mafia member and try to vote me. Seems like 3 people have voted me so far. Hmmmmm. It's not hard to get my vote off you. Do some analysis, give your opinions on someone. You haven't contributed anything to the until this post. That's all I'm saying. | ||
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freestalker
469 Posts
On April 25 2011 02:13 Enervate wrote: If I was mafia, wouldn't I be trying to defend myself more and vote for other people? In my opinion, mafia members have more motive to participate actively and try to vote people who aren't mafia members. I mean, mafia members must have realized by now that not writing huge long posts makes you look suspicious. ##Vote jaminz Mafia members would know I'm not a mafia member and try to vote me. Seems like 3 people have voted me so far. Hmmmmm. I am sorry mate but your post makes no sense. What you're saying is - mafia members have more motive to participate actively -- are you saying townies are the ones less active in an average game? if so, you are very wrong. Passivity and no posting is an optimal ground for mafia to hide, since if noone posts, they don't have to post either. If they don't post, they can't make slip-ups and can't be analyzed later. huge long posts = a lot of information to analyze, sooner or later. The more you type the more you can be analyzed, the more consistent you have to be if you're trying to pull off some trickery. And one of those three votes is mine that has been there for quite a while and is going to stay there unless you give me a good reason to change this. | ||
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Rising_Phoenix
United States370 Posts
On April 25 2011 02:13 Enervate wrote: If I was mafia, wouldn't I be trying to defend myself more and vote for other people? In my opinion, mafia members have more motive to participate actively and try to vote people who aren't mafia members. I mean, mafia members must have realized by now that not writing huge long posts makes you look suspicious. ##Vote jaminz Mafia members would know I'm not a mafia member and try to vote me. Seems like 3 people have voted me so far. Hmmmmm. So your defense is that you're not trying to defend yourself? And then you decide to blame jaminz because he wrote a huge analytical post? It sounds like you're just blaming the guy for trying to help out the community. If anything it makes you sound like a whiny person trying to shift blame from someone who is helping to someone who has an unsubstantial post history. Looking at your previous posts in the thread I have seen nothing more than filler posts and useless joke posts until this most recent post. This either mean your a townie who is contributing very little or trying to hide something. Also, some people (such as myself) hate making small useless posts and only tries to post when they have something significant to contribute. This means I take the time to go into my thoughts and flesh out some idea rather than making a wild accusation. Jaminz post history was pretty small until post 151 (here) when he analyzed about everyone's posting history. Afterwords he has basically been defending his post and putting pressure on Enervate to defend himself since he hasn't been contributing much to the thread. To me this seems kinda suspicious, though he said that he's been busy with traveling. Considering his only significant post is quite comprehensive, I'm willing to take him at his word. It doesn't mean he isn't trying to hide, but it means that at least he's contributing to the thread. I'm willing to let him off for now but if he does anything suspicious I'll definitely start voting for him. So without further adieu (sp?) ##Unvote ##vote Enervate | ||
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freestalker
469 Posts
On April 24 2011 10:39 jaminz wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2011 20:38 freestalker wrote: In any case, we'll need to vote for someone anyway, so let's do this. Inactivity is not good. I was also wondering if banhammer/substitution will apply or not? Also I am wondering about some of you if you're just using your lack of experience to avoid any kind of talk. And I'm still waiting for Enervate to post some more. It's been a while now and I've seen nothing else just pointing of fingers at people who are willing to hunt the scum  ##Vote: pHelix Equilibria “Your (not our) lack of experience” seems to again imply familiarity with the game. The last sentence is somewhat intriguing. He mentions that he’s waiting for people to talk, and that people are eager to point fingers at those who are scum-hunting, but fails to do any scum-hunting himself. Curious. Again, not enough to paint him as red, but something to note : ) Ignoring this post is in the part concerning HardCorey -- I was refering to some players that were asking about things that can be found in almost any mafia guide they were asked to read and are pretty obvious, yet they still ask about them. Sentences like -- + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2011 02:50 Sirael wrote: i hope i don't make too many mistakes. On April 23 2011 17:12 vyro wrote: still feeling pretty noob. i don't feel like i have much to add right now, but i don't want to not post for fear of looking inactive or being one of those 'barely posts'. so here are some questions: how are clues usually worked into the game? what's the usual proportion of blues to greens? does posting less really suggest someone is mafia? what kind of lies are there for us to catch people with? it's not like mafia's going to falsely claim roles what does a usual townie plan look like? thanks in advance On April 24 2011 01:50 pHelix Equilibria wrote: I see the deadline on the rules, but what is the rules regarding votes? Can the town change votes? Before the day is over. With a clear majority coming at me ? Eeek I am scared. don't look fairly well to me. First one is putting excuses for 'mistakes' that anyone may make, as if being scared of slipping. Second looks a bit serious, even while implying he's a newbie (as anyone else here) and asking questions that have easily found answers in other threads of mafia. Third is scared of getting lynched and asking question that is also easily found in any other thread as people change votes left and right. I am not sure if the last sentence in this part is about me or HardCorey, so I'll just ignore that one. I'll probably answer some of this a bit further freestalker (22 total posts – our most active player) The first thing I’m going to note here is that every post (except like 3) has a smiley face in it. An enthusiastic town member, or a mafia trying to seem happy & town aligned? I think the former, but who knows. Yep, this may be true. I like putting smilies around mainly when I feel this to be kinda 'family' environment. Also I am pretty aware I am being a bit paranoid and critique almost everyone around, so I drop a smilie here and there to make it a bit 'lighter' (  ) About the post count, I am pretty aware some of them are posts that are asking for some stuff, or posts that were created when I remembered something extra. It's not entirely best way of doing things and making the thread spammy. I am aware of this and will try to make less posts that would be longer and try to think longer before writing down stuff instead of writing 3 posts in a row+ Show Spoiler + On April 24 2011 00:41 freestalker wrote: Alright, I made a short summary list of posts in this thread so far person per person. Everyone take what you wish for yourselves from it, but what I find most disturbing is the lack of posts at some points. And some people didn't post for almost a day now. I admit there is not that much to talk about so far, but hopefully we'll get there soon. I would like to see more talk from everyone, but those bolded ones have 0-1 posts and are the most critical in this situation. phelix is probably afk and maybe even didn't notice the game has started. others have 1 post and know the game is on, yet don't post. 1. pHelix Equilibria 0 2. Rising_Phoenix 2 empty posts + 1 possible bandwagoning? 3. HardCorey 2 empty posts after asking, then trying to deny discussion (since noone has died) then trying to confuse voting of inactive, and then voting! 4. FezTheCaliph 1 empty hello post so far just to let us know "he's here" 5. Sirael 1 post after asking, afraid of making mistakes, eh? ain't we all. 6. Freestalker DAT IZ ME 7. Enervate only post so far is pointing fingers at me and jaminz for saying we're up to hunt scum >_< 8. Conversion seems to be trying! +point 9. Jaminz so far 2 kinda empty posts. now voting 10. vyro 2 posts, so far also not too much, asking newb questions (maybe intentional, maybe not? with all those guides around) 11. aScle 1 post, hi all gl hf! lolwut. that's it? Here’s his first big post giving a summary of everyone’s posts up until that point. Analysis strangely missing (for the most part). This post was mainly to drop some suspicion around, make some people feel not comfortable, while summing up all the posts so far. The intention was to - start discussion as people might want to defend theirselves and point out inactive/not contributing ones. + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2011 02:06 freestalker wrote: mmm, seeing there's some kind of activity now and you're not just dead weight, the vote may go to someone else. A good joke, btw ##Unvote ##Vote Enervate How about you, sir? Got something to say? He started by voting for pHenix, and now for enervate. It seems he’s just jumping from inactive player to inactive player. While I agree this was a bit too quick to change, the intention of voting for phelix in first place was to make him talk. This does not mean I am not watching him anymore. To be honest, many posts in this thread may put some suspicion almost on anyone, probably including even me. I am not afraid, though. + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2011 05:16 freestalker wrote: the cop doesn't have to role claim to find enough evidence and push the conviction on others. Roleclaiming is probably a good option only once there are like 1-2 mafia left and he knows who they are, or if mafia is claiming they are a cop and the real cop knows one other mafia member (netting 2 mafia for 1 cop), etc. If medic manages to figure out who cop is before he roleclaims, he should be the only target to heal. This strategy makes sense, and follows the same logic I would use. I am glad, even if it is kinda simple and straightforward strategy. Sometime I am not sure what I should post and what is obvious + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2011 08:06 freestalker wrote: Oh.. why do I always try to find the more complicated way, lol. I totally forgot about the button. Yeah I always saw the numbers, but always was wondering how to explain them as I saw 2 possibilities. As it is, I now have few groups of people - inactives - Ascle and Sirael not really contributing ones - Jaminz, Hardcorey, Enervate and the confusing ones - e.g. phelix on the other hand, jaminz and enervate prolly ain't in one group, since enervate was 'joking' about both me and jaminz. he might be so cool and joke about his mafia fellow but I kinda doubt that. I have few more thoughts but I'll wait a while before presenting those. I gotta sleep anyway, will be back tomorrow afternoon (in like 16 hrs) He posts some analysis, but still doesn’t really say what he thinks about the people he mentions. Since he’s pretty active, I’d like to see a bit more opinions & evidence to back them up in his posts. Here I would like to point out you don't point fingers around too much either. There is not much to grab onto yet, IMHO and I don't blame you for that. I have suspicions, there are some connections that might or might not be intentional. For example. Few people that are not even in the list that I mentioned, but I'll write it now. + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2011 08:36 Rising_Phoenix wrote: Well some people are probably busy with work or classes and some people are in all sorts of time zones, so give it some time. conversion points out that phelix is inactive. Phoenix jumps to defence. To be honest, I never really thought of defending anyone like that. Inactives are inactives, let them do something or they die. Most of them won't be lynched for inactivity in the end anyway. Phelix got targetted by conversion and me. hardcorey tried to defend him -- + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2011 23:44 HardCorey wrote: So what would you say is your justification for voting on pHelix Equilibria? You know you're right though, not having posted seems like a good enough reason to kill them. This post on its own is strange. Asking what the reason is, then agreeing inactivity is good (there is plenty of time for phelix to get active, so why not) + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2011 23:48 HardCorey wrote: Although are we wasting our first kill by using it on a member that hasn't posted? I think someone who is the mafia would probably become more involved earlier. few minutes later, defending phelix in a way, implying we are wasting a kill on someone who hasn't posted, while votes can be changed and it has been mentioned before this is to force activity and just threaten people. Fear too much? few minutes later phoenix states the obvious and votes for phelix and hardcorey does as well later phelix comes with his confusing/feared posts with questions, [spoiler] On April 24 2011 01:50 pHelix Equilibria wrote: I see the deadline on the rules, but what is the rules regarding votes? Can the town change votes? Before the day is over. With a clear majority coming at me ? Eeek I am scared. [/spoiler] then gets untargetted and once feels safe targets an inactive member with random blabbing about the town. following the post with patting vyro on the back for doing a good work with analysis later phoenix comes with his maths, pointing out three inactive members and choosing jaminz as his target. a while later phelix joins him. last post of phoenix + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2011 11:39 Rising_Phoenix wrote: The reason why we're all targeting people with small posts is because we're trying to see if we can get them to post, and therefore get information about them. Also, as I said again, lynching non-posters are safe unless we have more information to go by. The problem is that who someone would act for a post would depend on the person. Is the over-analyzing person mafia trying to pretend to be a villiage or is it an actual do-gooder mafia? And here's another thought: The more we post trying to figure out mafia, the more the mafia is trying to figure out important roles: the doctor and the detective. Posting is a two sided sword. Post too much and people thing you're either trying to be too good or being too active for a reason, or too inactive you're trying to hard something. Sometimes an inactive poster is just and inactive poster for one reason or another. Those are the main reasons why I'm looking at inactive players. The game itself is important, but we have to remember people have real lives as well (or at least some of us do =P), so anyone can't be on or as active as we like. If you're on a plane right for 5-8 hours you can't really be active for that time or if your busy with family. I slightly understand as finding justifications to defend inactive people. So that's one point of view at certain groups. However, there are other people that are out of this group and are acting differently with people pointing fingers at each other. I am afraid we won't know much more until the first death. with this 'inexperience' of players it's hard to say who's really just doing that accidentally or who is just making their little 'acting'. From my standpoint - I am active, I have nothing to hide, I can keep my head up without feeling I have anything to lose. I am not afraid of mafia shooting me even if that will probably happen quickly, I think we still will have people who'll be able to work with the information that will be left behind. I know my posts don't have much of pointing at people, just small hints, and sometime I'm not revealing (selectively revealing) all of my thought processes in order to wait for certain people to respond in a way without or with pressure. | ||
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freestalker
469 Posts
This post on its own is strange. Asking what the reason is, then agreeing inactivity is good (there is plenty of time for phelix to get active, so why not) should be This post on its own is strange. Asking what the reason is, then agreeing inactivity is good reason to do so (there is plenty of time for phelix to get active, so why not) Also I forgot to say it was a pretty nice analysis post from jaminz. I read it few times and probably will do so again in the future. Everyone should make one of those, or at least post opinions on people (more than one of them). It will become extremely useful in the future. one more thing I wanted to say about HardCorey was the last post was voting for phelix, since then he's inactive. | ||
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Enervate
United States1769 Posts
But here's my analysis: I am pretty sure Fez the Caliph is not mafia because he unvoted me. If he was mafia, he would have left his vote on me because it wouldn't look suspicious since other people are still voting for me. If we were both mafia, he wouldn't have voted for me in the first place. So, 3 out of 9 people (myself and Fez excluded), could possibly be mafia. aScle is suspicious to me because he goes from not posting much to jumping on the vote on me. I'm a convenient scapegoat. Jamin'z reply to my vote against him is interesting. If he was an innocent townie, he might accuse me of being mafia for voting him. But instead he tells me how I can get his vote off of me. Maybe because he knows I'm not mafia. And the only way he could know is if he was mafia. Rising Phoenix's post is also suspicious to me because he says he takes time to make thoughtful posts but also says he's too lazy to count the votes. And here's some good faith, I'll try and tally the votes. Phelix Equlibria - 1 Enervate -4 ascle -1 jaminz -2 hardcorey-1 (This actually took me a really long time lol. It's kinda hard with all of the unvotes. I think it's accurate, though.) | ||
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FezTheCaliph
United States492 Posts
Vote tally (to the best of my knowledge) Enervate 4 pHelix Equilibra 2 Jaminz 2 HardCorey 1 | ||
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Conversion
United States3308 Posts
I'm on my iTouch right now so forgive this contentless post. I'm sticking with my vote on HardCorey since he's lurking hard atm, even with me pressuring him. | ||
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freestalker
469 Posts
VOTING -- day 1 (so far)- 1. pHelix Equilibria -- ascle (9) > jaminz (15) 2. Rising_Phoenix -- phelix (3) > jaminz (12) > enervate (19) 3. HardCorey -- phelix (4) 4. FezTheCaliph -- enervate (11) > none (14) 5. Sirael 6. Freestalker -- phelix (2) > enervate (8) 7. Enervate -- jaminz (18) 8. Conversion -- phelix (1) > none (7) > HardCorey (13) 9. Jaminz -- phelix (5) > enervate (17) 10. vyro -- phelix (6) > none (10) 11. aScle -- enervate (16) sum - jaminz 2 enervate 4 phelix 1 hardcorey 1 | ||
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freestalker
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Rising_Phoenix
United States370 Posts
On April 25 2011 05:14 Enervate wrote: Rising Phoenix's post is also suspicious to me because he says he takes time to make thoughtful posts but also says he's too lazy to count the votes. And here's some good faith, I'll try and tally the votes. Phelix Equlibria - 1 Enervate -4 ascle -1 jaminz -2 hardcorey-1 (This actually took me a really long time lol. It's kinda hard with all of the unvotes. I think it's accurate, though.) And you wonder why I said I was too lazy to count all the votes. It's easier to create content (i.e. forum posts) instead of looking through 5 pages of day1 posts trying to figure out what the actual voting count is. When you look at a specific person you can just go to their profile and look at their previous posts, but looking back at many pages of posts with lots of arguing and re-voting it's hard to keep tally of who is voting who. Also, I never said that I wasn't occasionally a hypocrite. On April 25 2011 05:48 Conversion wrote: Sorry guys, school's starting again (high school ftl) and I'm finishing up a lot of work. I'm on my iTouch right now so forgive this contentless post. I'm sticking with my vote on HardCorey since he's lurking hard atm, even with me pressuring him. I keep forgetting HardCorey is even in the game. He would make another good vote considering that he hasn't said anything at all. | ||
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Rising_Phoenix
United States370 Posts
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Sirael
Germany12 Posts
On April 25 2011 05:48 Conversion wrote: I'm sticking with my vote on HardCorey since he's lurking hard atm, even with me pressuring him. I thought about him as a possible vote earlier today but I wanted to wait for his reaction. Because he's not reacting to your pressure at all, i'll simply add more. ##Vote HardCorey | ||
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Conversion
United States3308 Posts
 thanksI'll be on, but idk how my posts will be since they'll be coming from my iTouch. I'm not sure if I can do analysis, but maybe if I go to a library after school or something I can try. I'll be here though, don't worry. And the reason I'm putting this out is because my play from my iTouch.. well just look at XXXVIII. That was played completely from my iTouch =/ wow this took me 5 minutes to type.. lol. | ||
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Enervate
United States1769 Posts
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freestalker
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