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On April 18 2011 20:06 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 19:25 Vain wrote:On April 18 2011 18:12 Forumite wrote:
We know that we have a medic, but we have no idea who it is, nor who was saved. Going out with something like this doesn´t really serve a point, so we can´t identify who it was either.
Look, if I was marked for a night-kill and saved, then the Mafia knows it, the Medic knows it, but there is no way I can prove this to any others without possibly endangering the Medic, and that´s something we don´t want to do.
Like Sandroba saying "I´m roleblocked", it doesn´t give us any info, except that IF someone else was roleblocked then that person only can be quite sure that Sandroba is Scum, but haven´t got a way to expose him.
Would you take my word for it if I said I was marked for death but saved by the Medic, when it´s such an obvious way to appear more Town? It is not an obvious way to appear more town. If you claimed you were saved like you are now and someone else also would claim that one of you would be lying. That would couse suspicion on both of the claimers and probably would get one of you killed. Now if your claim is correct it would mean you were town(i really do not think you tried to kill yourself) And this would also mean VarpuliS would be in the clear. The reasoning behind this would be that if you would be killed while you were clearly suspecting Varpulis then VarpuliS would be drawing unnecessary suspicion on him. Also i still suspect scholeosis because with you AND VarpuliS gone there would be 6 people left. Night kill would mean a townie kill and then the maffia only would have only to persuade one person to win the game. With the leading accuser for scholeosis gone this would be an excellent position for scholeosis to be in. I could also be missing some connections. We now have to figure out who would have a reasonal benefit of you (and Varpulis) gone Nowhere in forumite post he claims that the medic saved him, only mafia would know that for sure. Also thank you for uncovering your plan. If you were indeed the target, forumite, it's time for you to say it, so that if no one says otherwise we have no reason to doubt it. There is no point in hiding that info from mafia because saying that you were protected does not reveal the identity of the medic. If someone else got protected and saved, please post it, so we can make some sense out of this.
How is saying
Would you take my word for it if I said I was marked for death but saved by the Medic, when it´s such an obvious way to appear more Town?
That not claiming for saved by the medic
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On April 18 2011 20:22 sandroba wrote:
That's clearly not claiming to be saved by medic.
i think it clearly is, but let's ask forumite again shall we?
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On April 18 2011 21:19 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 21:09 Zorkmid wrote:On April 18 2011 21:03 Forumite wrote:
Which part is scummy?
What I wanted with the post is for Elmizzt and Vain to actually post their own accusations, if they only hop on the wagon, then they are not helping us. I want them to start posting more, because I get a strong scum-wibe from both of them. You're getting a strong scum vibe because they're band wagoning and not making their own analyses? Explain yourself man! Elmizzt and Vain are extremely slow posters, but when they do post it´s to immediately jump on whoever is the current target for the lynch. Elmizzt even jumped on my VarpuliS-accusations, that really were quite weak after all. When I defend someone, because I do sometimes, and different people at that, it´s because I feel the evidence against them is weak, and in these two peoples cases, it´s always weak.
I don't know how you percieved this but i had consistently scholeosis as maffia so please don't imply i just follow the crowd. I was the even only one that ended up voting for her. Why are you asking me if i am doctor or mafia? if i tell you im mafia i would be dead. If i tell you i am a doctor i would be dead AND the town loses a medic. So I am not going to answer your two sided question you figure it out yourself;)
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On April 19 2011 05:56 Forumite wrote:
If Vote flips green or blue then I will take a very close look on Sandroba, but I can´t know now what will happen during Lynch 2, it depends on what slip-ups happen until then.
Stupidity is not a scumtell and i quote
"Bad logic- Unless the bad logic is intentional. Not everyone is as smart as someone who reads LSB’s Newbie guide."
On April 18 2011 04:11 Vain wrote:
VarpuliS, did you read the guides that were reccomended?
Useless question. You probably read the guide and you know the way you have been posting is not good town play.
If Sandroba would have read the guide and actually has some recollection memory he should exactly know why i did ask this question which is still unanswered.
Nice bandwagon btw VarpuliS
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I think it is time for me to claim Medic now. I saved forumite that night and i'm very happy to see that he does not vote for me now .Jeah i slipped that first post, The first part implying forumite was saved was not that bad but the 2nd one with an analysis i already wrote shouln't have been there. But meh what's done is done. I didn't claim medic before for a few reasons. Now we can rules some people out. Mind that the mafia already knew i was a Medic. I also agree with sandroba that we should stick to one target and not post analysis just because you are suspected of scum. It isn't helping and just contributes to the clusterfuck of posts we have. I will now post some information where i'm fairly sure on.
Based on the mafia kill i can vouch for forumite. He is either green or took a very high risk the first day. I don't really believe in the last one.
Second is VarpuliS. He cannot be scum due to the following reason. When forumite would be killed all suspicion would be on VarpuliS. He would almost certainly be the 2nd target of the day 2 lynch.
Zorkmid is also town. Just trust me on this one
Sandroba Would also been town if i'm right on this. He has been hard pressuring to kill me. So hard that if flipped medic he would be the next target. So Sandroba would be also on my green list
Ok, so three persons left now
-elmizzt: Did not post sufficiently to get a good read on
-Scholeosis: Well i think we discussed this subect more than enough. But keep in mind if you are a townie and made a mess like this. How would you post?
-Eternalmisfit: Also can't get a good read on him. Posted sufficiently to avoid any real suspicion.
Well this is my list for now. Why did i claim medic when also some votes are going to Shcoleosis again? Well,since the mafia already knows i am a medic it doesn't really matter to me if i claim now or never but the earlyer the town get's any hard information the better. Also i have some wild theory's on why we should look in a whole other direction but alas i didn't see any confirming behaviour.
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On April 19 2011 21:03 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2011 20:59 Zorkmid wrote:
Vain, I don't follow your logic at all.
Can you or someone else open my eyes as to why the Mafia already knows you're a Medic? He posted that he knew I was saved, so he must be Medic or Mafia. If he´s the Medic, then the Mafia knows because they know who they are, and that he´s not one of them.
That is correct. So while my chances of being lynched were diminishing, My chances of being killed in the night were reasonably big. Also it maby it will shine some new light on the discussion. We have to get it right this time.
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On April 19 2011 22:48 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Since Vain claimed medic and no one else has claimed medic, it is safe to assume that he is indeed medic.
Modified analysis
Vain
Forumite
Sandroba - I think he is either blue or mafia since he checked PM's and claimed block almost instantly after the day started. However, it seems harder and harder to associate an accomplice to him. Though, since he has been pushing for lynching Vain, he might indeed be scum.
VarpuliS and Zorkmid have seemed pro-town for the most.
Scholeosis and Elmizzt seem mafia scum to me.
##Unvote
##Vote: Shcoleosis
I do not agree with labeling sandroba as scum. Pushing for lynching me if he was scum would mean he would be the next target if i flipped medic which he knew if he was scum.
There is another possibility that he is mafia and hoped for me to claim my role. Then he could say that he didnt know that i was medic because he was acusing me.
Still i do label him as town since i do not find the 2nd theory very plausable
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On April 20 2011 02:55 GMarshal wrote:
Day ends in 8 hours and 5 minutes ^_^
That better be a good smiley
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On April 20 2011 04:37 VarpuliS wrote:
No cell phone service anywhere in the hotel... Thank god I brought my laptop.
Sandroba seems very pro-town to me, but isn't a guaranteed townie. Right now Forumite is the only one who definitely isn't scum. I think that we're on the right track by voting for Shcoleosis and suspecting Elmizzt.
There isn't very much left to discuss at the moment, because neither Shcoleosis nor Elmizzt seems to be around to defend themselves.
Well i don't think they can say alot what could lift the suspicion on them
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On April 20 2011 06:53 Forumite wrote:
We know who we want to lynch, we only wait to see if it was the right choice.
By the way Vain, I suggest you vote too.
Jeah, would suck to be modkilled
##Vote: Shcoleosis
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On April 20 2011 10:40 elmizzt wrote:
Been waiting to see if scholeosis has anything to say, but at this point I think she is too busy studying for her finals or something lol.
I'm going to go with my strongest feeling based on my previous post.
##Vote: Forumite
Your previous post was
+ Show Spoiler +On April 19 2011 08:19 elmizzt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2011 08:08 VarpuliS wrote:
Vain, for all of the guides you claim to read, you don't seem to know what a bandwagon is. A bandwagon would be me seeing three other people voting for you, and do the same without giving a reason. A bandwagon is not reading an analysis, debating it with others, being convinced, and then voting for you. Weak defense.
Also, nobody knows what you're talking about when you reference the guides. If you want to ask a question, just ask it, don't be vague.
To all the people calling Forumite a liar: Then what did happen? Mafia decided not to hit anybody? why the hell would they do that? Elmizzt, how did you know when the PM's went out? Are you claiming blue?
No, I'm not claiming blue with that post. But I think it's safe to say that the PM's would go out as close to humanly possible as the post announcing the new day/night, would it not?
Lol
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On April 20 2011 10:48 elmizzt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2011 10:46 Vain wrote:On April 20 2011 10:40 elmizzt wrote:
Been waiting to see if scholeosis has anything to say, but at this point I think she is too busy studying for her finals or something lol.
I'm going to go with my strongest feeling based on my previous post.
##Vote: Forumite Your previous post was + Show Spoiler +On April 19 2011 08:19 elmizzt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2011 08:08 VarpuliS wrote:
Vain, for all of the guides you claim to read, you don't seem to know what a bandwagon is. A bandwagon would be me seeing three other people voting for you, and do the same without giving a reason. A bandwagon is not reading an analysis, debating it with others, being convinced, and then voting for you. Weak defense.
Also, nobody knows what you're talking about when you reference the guides. If you want to ask a question, just ask it, don't be vague.
To all the people calling Forumite a liar: Then what did happen? Mafia decided not to hit anybody? why the hell would they do that? Elmizzt, how did you know when the PM's went out? Are you claiming blue?
No, I'm not claiming blue with that post. But I think it's safe to say that the PM's would go out as close to humanly possible as the post announcing the new day/night, would it not? Lol Previous post meaning post that came before this, not literally the one right before. I didn't bother being so specific, as I'm pretty sure nobody bothered to read it. I'll link you here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=211489¤tpage=20#391
Aha, so with that reasoning i should be mafia too and forumite and i are lying our asses off
Well how do you explain sandroba claiming to be roleblocked then? There are only 2 mafia in the game so 3 people lying is pretty much impossible
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On April 20 2011 10:55 sandroba wrote:
If shcholeosis flips red I don't see a point in continuing this game.
Why not? Just maby elmizzt is town after all and then who would be mafia?
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Btw if shcholeosis flips town i am eating my hat
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On April 20 2011 11:07 Forumite wrote:
GOTCHA!
We have a detective, feel free to rolecheck Elmizzt if you want to. If the detective survives the night then I suggest he should roleclaim and tell us if Elmizzt is Mafia, so we have a 100% sure lynch tomorrow.
I very much concur with this thought
On another note: This also means no hat-eating will be done tonight!
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On April 20 2011 11:18 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 09:51 Shcoleosis wrote:After reading this thread entirely, here's what I think on the matter: In my opinion, one of the first to accuse is usually the guilty one. Automatically everyone’s opinions are immediately placed under suspicion as the game progresses. That being the case, a mafia member wouldn’t express his opinions as eagerly as he would if he were agreeing with someone else’s. He would, however, be quick to blame, because doing so would divert attention away from himself. On April 15 2011 20:53 Zorkmid wrote:My FoS is on Shcoleosis as well for the same reasons, and will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit's argument about this Zorkmind person. On April 15 2011 20:06 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Also, I think the way Zorkmind is subtly derailing the discussion by talking about less fun in this mafia thread makes me wonder if has a hidden motive. Zorkmid came up with the idea of lynching inactives and lurkers. That would work out greatly to his advantage if he were part of the mafia since it is more of an opportunity to blend, right? The more we accuse those of having a different opinion, the less of a suspect he seems to be. I am not the first to disagree with him. I am not the first to be accused because I disagreed with him. Notice how Zorkmid says he “will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit’s argument about his Zorkmind person.” Why so defensive, Zorkmid? Perhaps he is afraid of everyone discovering how he is desperately trying to divert attention away from himself. He’s doing a great job of it. I had my suspicions about him early on because he's not only quick to agree with the majority, but he is also quick to blame. I didn't quote any other of his posts, but to me, he acts quite suspicious in most of them. Early post from Shcoleosis accusing Zorkmid of being Mafia. This suggest strongly that Zorkmid is Town
Jeah, but he kept defending me instead of bandwagoning with the rest that i was mafia. I just thought he checked on me and saw i was medic. I couldn't be more wrong omg
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On April 20 2011 11:20 sandroba wrote:
I would like to congratulate town for playing great:
Vain: Fucking nice save! Did a way better job than me of hidding his blueness!
Zorkmid: Nice agressiviness that helped analyse everyone's reaction. Overall great town play.
Varpulis: Huge dedication and analysis, nice work man!
Forumite: Nice bait, made everything clear as crystal day 2.
Ethernal: Always calm, and collected, good analysis and logical thinking.
Congrats everyone, and sorry if I missrepresented anyone!
Cheers!
Jeah, but sucks i fucked up with that first post. I was so happy for having a successful save that i slipped a bit. I think i could have hid it for days if i didn't do that
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