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Eternalmisfit
United States643 Posts
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
On April 18 2011 20:39 Forumite wrote: You only get informed that you were saved, not by whom. Yes, I was saved by the Doctor, Mafia wanted me dead, and I got a PM saying I was saved. It didn´t include info on who saved me, I wanted to drag it out, see what people were saying, if someone makes a mistake. I don't think I believe you when you say you were saved. Wouldn't the mafia want to kill someone that didn't have any suspicion on them? I think that other than Scholeosis and Sandroba, you're someone that the players think is scum. That's of course unless the people FoSing you are scum. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
I would like you to note that I didn´t say I was saved at first. Partly because I didn´t see the PM until this morning, but also because I wanted to lure out the Mafia, and because I knew people would suspect me if I say I was saved. Saying I´m saved doesn´t help much, except if I get someone to make a mistake, like Vain did. | ||
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Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
It's interesting that the mafia targeted Forumite. I've got a theory as to why, too. Forumite analyzed me a couple of hours prior to the day post, and concluded that I was mafia. Now, imagine that the day post comes, and he's dead. Who looks like scum? Mafia had a plan with that kill: they wanted to put the suspicion off of themselves, and on to one of the town's most active analysts. If everybody thinks that i'm scum, nobody will believe my analyses. My most recent analysis was on Shcoleosis, so this evidence just makes her even more suspicious to me. FoS Vain FoS Shcoleosis | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
On April 18 2011 22:12 Forumite wrote: I am one of the probable Townies, and I hinted that I had something really good that I was waiting to drop, which is probably why they aimed for me. I would like you to note that I didn´t say I was saved at first. Partly because I didn´t see the PM until this morning, but also because I wanted to lure out the Mafia, and because I knew people would suspect me if I say I was saved. Saying I´m saved doesn´t help much, except if I get someone to make a mistake, like Vain did. Actually Occam's Razor tells me that the reason you didn't say you were saved at first is because you weren't, you didn't know that when you're saved the host PMs you with "you were saved" you guessed at the wording that would be used, and you were wrong. ##Vote Forumite | ||
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Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
On April 18 2011 22:26 Zorkmid wrote: Actually Occam's Razor tells me that the reason you didn't say you were saved at first is because you weren't, you didn't know that when you're saved the host PMs you with "you were saved" you guessed at the wording that would be used, and you were wrong. ##Vote Forumite But Zorkmid, unless somebody else claims that they took the hit and got saved, We'll have to believe him. I know I didn't get saved, you say that you didn't, Eternalmisfit hasn't claimed anything... Unless the medic completely ignored my "medics save us list" (which Forumite was on) and randomly picked somebody who happened to be the same guy that the mafia targeted, his claim makes sense. Occam's Razor tells me that Forumite is probably telling the truth. | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
1 Mafia Role Blocker, 1 Mafia Goon, 5 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective 1 Mafia Role Blocker, 1 Mafia Goon, 7 Town 2 Mafia Goon, 1 Medic, 6 Town. 2 Mafia Goon, 1 Detective, 6 Town. That 1/4 setup is chosen, AND that forumite: wanted to lure out the Mafia, and because I knew people would suspect me if I say I was saved. Saying I´m saved doesn´t help much, except if I get someone to make a mistake, like Vain did. I'm also not really that swayed by Forumite's analysis on Vain. [red]Sandroba seemed quite convinced of it though[red] Took him 7 minutes to vote Vain. Forumite Sweden. April 18 2011 21:41. Posts 74 PM Profile Report Quote # Ah, I was just waiting for an analysis on Vain. will read now. "The ability to quote is a serviceable substitute for wit." - W. Somerset Maugham sandroba Brazil. April 18 2011 21:48. Posts 119 PM Profile Report Quote # ##Unvote sandroba Brazil. April 18 2011 21:49. Posts 119 PM Profile Report Quote # ##Vote: Vain | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
I'm pretty sure Vain is mafia, so scholeosis can't be aswell. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
Also, that would be a really stupid lie, because the medic would know immediately that he was lying. On April 18 2011 23:00 sandroba wrote: Claiming to be saved while not being saved is a terrible move, as I explained in my analysis of vain. Medic could claim and trade his life for mafia, which is a great deal for town. I'm pretty sure Vain is mafia, so scholeosis can't be aswell. This says it all. I disagree that Vain and Shcoleosis can't both be mafia, but I agree with the rest of the post. | ||
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Eternalmisfit
United States643 Posts
Yes, I was saved by the Doctor, Mafia wanted me dead, and I got a PM saying I was saved. It didn´t include info on who saved me, I wanted to drag it out, see what people were saying, if someone makes a mistake. I would like you to note that I didn´t say I was saved at first. Partly because I didn´t see the PM until this morning, but also because I wanted to lure out the Mafia, and because I knew people would suspect me if I say I was saved. Saying I´m saved doesn´t help much, except if I get someone to make a mistake, like Vain did. The above two posts of Forumite seem contradictory. The first post implies that he got the PM, read it and then decide to drag it out. In the second post, he makes it more vague by saying that he didn't see the PM first and that people would suspect (saying the timeslines of both decisions were parallel). This is suspicious in general but it doesn't make sense with the rest of the evidence (i.e. if Formuite is mafia, then who got saved). But, still I would put a red flag on him and analyze his posts further. Vain, on the other hand, seems even more suspicious since his post insinuated that he knew Forumite was saved before Forumite declared that publicly. FoS Vain FoS Forumite This forms another relationship in my prior related analysis where if either one of these is indeed mafia, the other is most likely town. | ||
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Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
It's a close call though. If we could lynch them both, I would. To the DT I'm going to assume we have at this point: Investigate Vain and Shcoleosis. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
On April 18 2011 23:54 VarpuliS wrote: I just took a very close look at your analysis Sandroba, and couldn't agree more with how contentless Vain's posts have been. Unless he breaks out some analysis soon, he's just as suspicious as Shcoleosis. It's a close call though. If we could lynch them both, I would. To the DT I'm going to assume we have at this point: Investigate Vain and Shcoleosis. Varp, you're the only guy that I'm fairly certain is town. I'm not sure that I'm totally sold on Sandroba's analysis of Vain, but I do see how it can be construed this way. I'm still mostly convinced that Scholeosis is scum and I would like to propose that we lynch her and if we have a DT, to check either Vain or Sandroba. I'm changing my vote to Scholeosis for now, but if the town feels more strongly about Vain at this point, I'm willing to consider it. ##Unvote ##Vote Scholeosis | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
Also note that 100% of the active players on day 1 wouldn't mind lynching scholeosis and if senj had shown up that was probably what was going to happen. | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
On April 19 2011 00:30 sandroba wrote: I would sugest you guys to carefully consider the events of this night before voting for scholeosis. Also note that 100% of the active players on day 1 wouldn't mind lynching scholeosis and if senj had shown up that was probably what was going to happen. What do you mean to say here? Don't vote for Scholeosis cause of what? Someone claimed to be saved that wasn't him? The second part of your post seems to say "Vote for Scholeosis" I really do not understand wtf you mean. | ||
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Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
Shcoleosis being scum fits perfectly with this, because I've been very vocal about lynching Shcoleosis, given my multiple analyses against her. If people don't believe me, then the scum gets to live another day. | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
If I were mafia I'd want to kill someone that NOBODY suspected to be mafia to intensify townie infighting. If I were the medic I'd want to protect someone I perceived to be an influential townie. This tells me that Mafia acted counter-intuitively and tried to kill someone helpful. The medic guessed correctly. To me this means that we need to surreptitiously determine which one of us is the medic. The medic has information that we need to drag out. It goes without saying that the medic shouldn't out him/herself despite it being a pro-town move, he'd be dead for sure. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
Vain and scholeosis can't be both mafia because if nothing happend today we would probably lynch scholeosis and Vain suports this idea. Look: On April 18 2011 19:25 Vain wrote: It is not an obvious way to appear more town. If you claimed you were saved like you are now and someone else also would claim that one of you would be lying. That would couse suspicion on both of the claimers and probably would get one of you killed. Now if your claim is correct it would mean you were town(i really do not think you tried to kill yourself) And this would also mean VarpuliS would be in the clear. The reasoning behind this would be that if you would be killed while you were clearly suspecting Varpulis then VarpuliS would be drawing unnecessary suspicion on him. Also i still suspect scholeosis because with you AND VarpuliS gone there would be 6 people left. Night kill would mean a townie kill and then the maffia only would have only to persuade one person to win the game. With the leading accuser for scholeosis gone this would be an excellent position for scholeosis to be in. I could also be missing some connections. We now have to figure out who would have a reasonal benefit of you (and Varpulis) gone Vain suports the idea of lynching scholeosis | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
On April 19 2011 00:55 sandroba wrote: Please consider who got saved tonight. I agree completely with all analysis done so far on scholeosis, and feel that he has looked pretty scummy. Except during the night, when he looked pretty much like a frustated newbie, who doesn't care if he seems suspicous at all. Compare that to how cautiously Vain has been trying to point out how inocent he is in the analysis I made when he was on pretty much everyone's suspect list. Vain and scholeosis can't be both mafia because if nothing happend today we would probably lynch scholeosis and Vain suports this idea Vain suports the idea of lynching scholeosis Is Vain really on anyone's suspect list other that yours and forumites ? | ||
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