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Chaoser is helping me co-host this game. Any questions can be directed towards him or myself. (GMarshal)
Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia I
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Introduction:
Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions. The objective of the game is to lynch or kill all mafia members before they outnumber the rest of the town. It's much like a game of poker because mafia members are also part of the town during the day and may manipulate the vote to their liking. If the mafia at any time outnumber or equal the townspeople, they win. The town's goal is to lynch all the members of the mafia.
The game is typically very active, so the thread will get big quickly. However, it is essential to read the thread to play the game. If you do not have the time or patience to read the whole thread, do not play. I will not compensate for ignorance.
Rules:
Cheating:
Cheating includes (but is not limited to):
1. Posting after death. You may have one polite goodbye post, but it may not contain any potentially game-changing information.
2. Ruining the game by doing something like hand out your mafia's member list to the town.
3. Logging on to someone else's account / looking over someone's shoulder to get their role.
4. Comparing role PM times to determine roles.
5. Posting screenshots of your inbox.
6. Posting any PM you receive from a host.
7. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip.
8. Signing up more than once using smurf accounts.
Cheating is not tolerated here. The punishment will be severe.
Posting:
Mod Font:
This is mod font. It is reserved for moderators. Please do not use it.
Question Font:
This is question font. Use it to ask the moderators questions about the rules.
Activity:
You must post in this thread once per day/night cycle and vote every day while you are alive. If you fail to do so, you will be modkilled.
Spam:
Spam is not tolerated, nor is any off-topic material. Do not discuss Proleague here. Do not talk about Starcraft II here. Play Mafia here.
Editing:
Editing is not allowed for any reason. Editing will result in a warning. After that, you will be modkilled. This is the one part of the site where it is okay to be double posting, even triple-posting. While I ask for everybody to post as concisely as possible, post again if you have to edit anything
Inappropriate posts:
If you want to post something insulting or inappropriate and know the TL mods would have a problem with it elsewhere, don't post it here. If you do, a host will warn you or modkill you and request that you be banned from future games. The hosts have the final say on what is inappropriate.
Play to win.
You have been warned.
+ Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/Q7Qwl.jpg) Something life-ending this way comes.
Voting rules:
1. Voting is done in this thread. Do not PM me your vote.
2. Please vote in the following format: ##Vote Qatol. Votes not done in the correct fashion will not be counted. I will update vote counts whenever I get the chance.
3. No conditional voting.
4. You may vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game.
5. In the event of a tie the person with the most votes first is lynched
6. Voting is mandatory. You may NOT abstain.
Signups:
This game is open to new players only, specifically those who did not get into XXXVIII Signups will remain open until all 9 spots have been filled
Game-specific rules:
Modkills:
This game follows the TL Mafia Ban List. If you are modkilled, your punishment will go beyond being eliminated from this game. Please refer to it for questions about your punishment.
Clues:
There are no clues.
PMs
PMs are not allowed in this game.
Time Cycle:
This game will follow a 24 hour night/48 hour day cycle. In case I am not able to post around deadline, any votes after the 48 hour mark will not count and the game will be put on halt until the night post is up. Currently the deadline is 10 PM EST, but that is subject to change.
Credits:
Thanks to anyone who has ever hosted a game. This list grows ever longer.
Thanks to everyone who helped balance this game.
If you have not read all the rules, go back and do so. I will not compensate for ignorance!
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The setup is F11; one of the following four setups is to be randomly chosen and used:
Set Up:
1 Mafia Role Blocker, 1 Mafia Goon, 5 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective
1 Mafia Role Blocker, 1 Mafia Goon, 7 Town
2 Mafia Goon, 1 Medic, 6 Town.
2 Mafia Goon, 1 Detective, 6 Town.
You will not know which setup is chosen.
Roles:
Townie
You are just a normal player with no night actions. All you can do is vote during the day. But the town needs you to win so be active!
Detective
You can make night investigations. Once per night you may ask for the alignment of any player. Alignments are either Town or Mafia. You are always sane. Alignment checks come back with the next day post.
Medic
You have the power to save lives. Once per night you can watch a player. If your target is attacked, you will block one hit aimed at them. If you make a successful save, both you and your target will be notified of the save. You cannot save yourself.
Mafia
Your goal is to eliminate everyone else in the town. Your ability, as a group, is killing off whomever you decide on at night and knowing the role of each other player in your mafia. You may kill your own members. Mafia killing power is always 1 until there are no mafia remaining.
Roleblocker
You are a mafia member who has the ability to prevent a player from performing a night action. Once per night, you may roleblock a player, and your target will be unable to perform night actions for that night. Your target will be informed that they have been roleblocked (even if they didn't have a night action). You do not have to use your action every night.
PLAYER LIST:
1. Forumite
2. VarpuliS
3. elmizzt
4. Senj (Day 1 lynch)
5. sandroba
6. Zorkmid
7. Shcoleosis (Mafia Roleblocker) (Day 2 lynch)
8. Eternalmisfit
9. Vain
Replacement List
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3.
1 of 2 MAFIA remaining:
? of ? Goons alive
0 of 1 Roleblockers alive
6 of 7 TOWN remaining:
? of ? Medics alive
? of ? Detectives alive
RibirthOfLegend will be serving as a neutral advisor, he is a veteran player and has plenty of experience so if you have any questions about general play stiles, scumhunting or being mafia feel free to PM him. Thank you RoL!
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Looking forward to playing.
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GL! If you want general advice, feel free to PM me. I am a better scum player than a town player but I can give helpful advice to either side.
hf newbies 
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UR DOIN IT WRONG!
An F11 set up doesn't have 11 players, it has 9 O_O. Mafia is at a huge disadvantage in this set up. Assuming their KP is 1.
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On April 12 2011 04:26 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
UR DOIN IT WRONG!
An F11 set up doesn't have 11 players, it has 9 O_O. Mafia is at a huge disadvantage in this set up. Assuming their KP is 1.
You are right, I miscalculated, fixing!
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/in. First game for me. Hoping for a good one.
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Wait, just realized something: I'm going to be away from any possible internet access 4/13-416 (wednesday through friday of this week)
Hope that won't be a problem...
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On April 12 2011 06:43 VarpuliS wrote:
Wait, just realized something: I'm going to be away from any possible internet access 4/13-416 (wednesday through friday of this week)
Hope that won't be a problem...
I doubt this will be full before Friday, and at the earliest it would start on thursday, it would mean you start 24 hours late, but that should be ok...
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Just checking, once someone is lynched or night-killed, their role will be made public, right?
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On April 12 2011 06:50 Forumite wrote:
Just checking, once someone is lynched or night-killed, their role will be made public, right?
Yes
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On April 12 2011 06:44 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 06:43 VarpuliS wrote:
Wait, just realized something: I'm going to be away from any possible internet access 4/13-416 (wednesday through friday of this week)
Hope that won't be a problem... I doubt this will be full before Friday, and at the earliest it would start on thursday, it would mean you start 24 hours late, but that should be ok...
Great! on vacation the next week, so activity shouldn't be a problem for me.
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GMarshal, you might want to PM the people who just got access and tell them about this game. I'm guessing a lot of them just haven't realized that they have access, especially if they don't use the forum index much.
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On April 12 2011 10:01 Qatol wrote:
GMarshal, you might want to PM the people who just got access and tell them about this game. I'm guessing a lot of them just haven't realized that they have access, especially if they don't use the forum index much.
Will do, I'm so used to being glued to this forum that sometimes I forget it dosn't appear on the sidebars
EDIT: done, I started with 8 or so people, if not enough respond I'll grab more.
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What ever happen to having a Mayor?!
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On April 12 2011 10:29 ShoCkeyy wrote:
What ever happen to having a Mayor?!
From what I understand, wouldn't a mayor be really overpowered in a 9 person game. just doing the math: If a mafia gets voted mayor, mafia will have 4 lynch votes. once a single townie is dead, it becomes impossible for the mafia to loose, because they can force lynches with majority (ties are decided by who gets the votes first, which the mafia could arrange easily).
Maybe if mayor gets less votes?
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On April 12 2011 10:41 VarpuliS wrote:From what I understand, wouldn't a mayor be really overpowered in a 9 person game. just doing the math: If a mafia gets voted mayor, mafia will have 4 lynch votes. once a single townie is dead, it becomes impossible for the mafia to loose, because they can force lynches with majority (ties are decided by who gets the votes first, which the mafia could arrange easily). Maybe if mayor gets less votes?
No mayor, this setup is already balanced as is ^_^
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add 10 mad hatters a serial killer and an insane bus driver
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On April 12 2011 10:13 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 10:01 Qatol wrote:
GMarshal, you might want to PM the people who just got access and tell them about this game. I'm guessing a lot of them just haven't realized that they have access, especially if they don't use the forum index much. Will do, I'm so used to being glued to this forum that sometimes I forget it dosn't appear on the sidebars EDIT: done, I started with 8 or so people, if not enough respond I'll grab more.
Could you PM them all? If too many respond, we can funnel to DrH's game. I'd like to have them all messaged so they're aware though and I'm taking the lazy way out.
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fine, Qatol I'll do the dirty work for you...
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I got them all from Page 13 on, I wasn't sure exactly where they started. I also skipped RoL's smurfs. You realize its something like 40 people right?
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Thanks for the PM, GMarshal
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My first game, looking forward to it!
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Also I might as well say this now, the game will not start till at least Thursday
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I'm pumped as hell to give this a shot!
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Might just watch as this will be my first game. Will try to get a better understanding of what happens and how everything works.
But basically the overall idea is to lynch all the town members if Mafia and all the Mafia if you are town members right?
and it just gets more and more complex with all the special characters that can become involved?
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yep, if you are mafia you want to both kill townies at night and try to get them to lynch each other and if you are town you want to find the mafia and kill them. Its easier said than done
I encourage you to /in the only way to learn is to play, and you'll have more fun too.
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On April 12 2011 12:22 GMarshal wrote:
I got them all from Page 13 on, I wasn't sure exactly where they started. I also skipped RoL's smurfs. You realize its something like 40 people right?
It was the point where Plexa stopped editing in that he let them in I think. And yes I do. It isn't that hard. Send generic PM advertising game --> back on browser --> change name --> send. Shouldn't take more than like 10 minutes to do 40 names.
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On April 12 2011 13:58 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 12:22 GMarshal wrote:
I got them all from Page 13 on, I wasn't sure exactly where they started. I also skipped RoL's smurfs. You realize its something like 40 people right? It was the point where Plexa stopped editing in that he let them in I think. And yes I do. It isn't that hard. Send generic PM advertising game --> back on browser --> change name --> send. Shouldn't take more than like 10 minutes to do 40 names.
I did it, I was just wondering if you realized it was that many, I thought it was like 30 but its more than that ^_^
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On April 12 2011 14:02 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 13:58 Qatol wrote:On April 12 2011 12:22 GMarshal wrote:
I got them all from Page 13 on, I wasn't sure exactly where they started. I also skipped RoL's smurfs. You realize its something like 40 people right? It was the point where Plexa stopped editing in that he let them in I think. And yes I do. It isn't that hard. Send generic PM advertising game --> back on browser --> change name --> send. Shouldn't take more than like 10 minutes to do 40 names. I did it, I was just wondering if you realized it was that many, I thought it was like 30 but its more than that ^_^
Honestly I didn't. However, I'm not too surprised. There was a lot of interest and that thread had a while to build up.
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edit: nvm.
I am allowed to edit before the game starts, right?
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On April 12 2011 15:04 VarpuliS wrote:
edit: nvm.
I am allowed to edit before the game starts, right?
Yeah of course. But you might want to get out of the habit in this forum.
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On April 12 2011 15:10 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 15:04 VarpuliS wrote:
edit: nvm.
I am allowed to edit before the game starts, right? Yeah of course. But you might want to get out of the habit in this forum.
thx.
Used to normal tl, where doubleposting gets me a warning at best if it wasn't an accident. I've been reading through mafia XXXVII though, and it has become evident that this section was abandoned by mods long ago.
Onwards with the doubleposts!
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Let's give this a try!
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On April 12 2011 15:16 VarpuliS wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 15:10 Qatol wrote:On April 12 2011 15:04 VarpuliS wrote:
edit: nvm.
I am allowed to edit before the game starts, right? Yeah of course. But you might want to get out of the habit in this forum. thx. Used to normal tl, where doubleposting gets me a warning at best if it wasn't an accident. I've been reading through mafia XXXVII though, and it has become evident that this section was abandoned by mods long ago. Onwards with the doubleposts!
Well don't get too carried away. The mods don't visit this section very often on their own, but they will if we ask them to. And the multiposting instead of editing rule that we use here was actually introduced by a mod, so even when they do visit, they multipost too.
Regardless, the major habit you will have to shake is that urge to fix your typos. Do not edit your posts. Just use EBWOP: "whatever you meant to say" instead. (EBWOP = edit by way of posting)
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On April 12 2011 15:40 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 15:16 VarpuliS wrote:On April 12 2011 15:10 Qatol wrote:On April 12 2011 15:04 VarpuliS wrote:
edit: nvm.
I am allowed to edit before the game starts, right? Yeah of course. But you might want to get out of the habit in this forum. thx. Used to normal tl, where doubleposting gets me a warning at best if it wasn't an accident. I've been reading through mafia XXXVII though, and it has become evident that this section was abandoned by mods long ago. Onwards with the doubleposts! Well don't get too carried away. The mods don't visit this section very often on their own, but they will if we ask them to. And the multiposting instead of editing rule that we use here was actually introduced by a mod, so even when they do visit, they multipost too. Regardless, the major habit you will have to shake is that urge to fix your typos. Do not edit your posts. Just use EBWOP: "whatever you meant to say" instead. (EBWOP = edit by way of posting)
I'll make sure to remember that. I assume nobody asked them to check out the Pregame of TL Mafia XXXVIIpregame of TL Mafia XXXVII then? Mods would have heart attacks at the sight of some of those posts!
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On April 12 2011 15:57 VarpuliS wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 15:40 Qatol wrote:On April 12 2011 15:16 VarpuliS wrote:On April 12 2011 15:10 Qatol wrote:On April 12 2011 15:04 VarpuliS wrote:
edit: nvm.
I am allowed to edit before the game starts, right? Yeah of course. But you might want to get out of the habit in this forum. thx. Used to normal tl, where doubleposting gets me a warning at best if it wasn't an accident. I've been reading through mafia XXXVII though, and it has become evident that this section was abandoned by mods long ago. Onwards with the doubleposts! Well don't get too carried away. The mods don't visit this section very often on their own, but they will if we ask them to. And the multiposting instead of editing rule that we use here was actually introduced by a mod, so even when they do visit, they multipost too. Regardless, the major habit you will have to shake is that urge to fix your typos. Do not edit your posts. Just use EBWOP: "whatever you meant to say" instead. (EBWOP = edit by way of posting) I'll make sure to remember that. I assume nobody asked them to check out the Pregame of TL Mafia XXXVIIpregame of TL Mafia XXXVII then? Mods would have heart attacks at the sight of some of those posts!
We only get them to check things out if people are really out of control. For example, they intervened with Bill Murray later in that game. The spam at the beginning of that thread is pretty harmless, though I guess it might look bad if the mods look at posting histories out of context.
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I see... So you bring mods in when somebody is ruining the game for others, in effect? Good policy.
On April 12 2011 16:01 Qatol wrote:
The spam at the beginning of that thread is pretty harmless, though I guess it might look bad if the mods look at posting histories out of context.
I was thinking just that. So many posts on the Automated ban forum read: "this was going to be a warning, but then I looked at your shitty posting history..."
I'm training myself to preview every post so that I can proofread.
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On April 12 2011 16:11 VarpuliS wrote:I see... So you bring mods in when somebody is ruining the game for others, in effect? Good policy. Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 16:01 Qatol wrote:
The spam at the beginning of that thread is pretty harmless, though I guess it might look bad if the mods look at posting histories out of context. I was thinking just that. So many posts on the Automated ban forum read: "this was going to be a warning, but then I looked at your shitty posting history..." I'm training myself to preview every post so that I can proofread.
Hey, I'm the co-host =] Hope you have fun in this game! TL Mafia subforum is a bit more lax but mostly it's because it's a relatively small community and the players generally know each other well given how much arguing we do with each other -_-. But at the same time we will deal out punishment when it is warranted. Many of our members are staff so we have some connection to moderation. That being said, it really is a nice environment and I hope you enjoy your stay and want to continue staying =]
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chaoser punish me iv been bad. i love it when you talk dirty
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Why is there so much talk in here that is unrelated to this particular game?
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This should be fun to watch.
Have fun guys.
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I'm new to Mafia...under the detective role it says: "you are always sane". What does this mean?
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On April 12 2011 22:34 Zorkmid wrote:
I'm new to Mafia...under the detective role it says: "you are always sane". What does this mean?
It means your results are guaranteed to be true
in some games cops can't always be sure they get reliable results from their checks, in this game thats not an issue, if a check returns town then that player is town aligned and if a check returns mafia then that player is mafia aligned
Traditionally there are four variants (that I know of)
Sane- always gets true results
Paranoid- Always gets back mafia
Naive- Always gets back town
Insane- Gets opposite results
As far as I know we generally only use Sane cops in normal games.
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Would a Cop know whether he was sane or whatever?
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On April 12 2011 22:43 Zorkmid wrote:
Would a Cop know whether he was sane or whatever?
In this game you are guaranteed to be sane, so don't worry about it.
In other setups it depends on how screwy the mod wants to be, usually any cop that is not sane is not told this, which adds an element of chaos and misinformation to the game.
let me repeat it, you are 100% guaranteed to be sane if you are the cop, the other stuff I posted was just a tidbit from my experience
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After reading through the XXXVIII thread I really CANNOT wait to play this :")
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I am new to Mafia and this will be my first game. I hope I don't too bad in this one ^_^
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Awesome Eternal, me too!
CLICK ME YO
Check this guide out. Explains the basics and terminology very nicely.
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We actually have a bunch of newbie resources. Check out LSB's newbie guide and the links in there. Happy hunting, hope you have fun in here
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I would love to join, but unfortunately I'm going to be without internet for Friday + the weekend. I'll keep tabs on the drama though. Have fun!
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On April 12 2011 18:22 Forumite wrote:
Why is there so much talk in here that is unrelated to this particular game?
probably because the game hasn't started yet, and there's not much else to talk about
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Don't forget I'm coaching in this game. If you want general tips on how to play as town/mafia, what kind of things you should be looking for/doing, don't be scared to PM me! I like helping people out. After this game, me and GMarshal likely will be hosting a slightly bigger game geared toward inexperienced players. Think of this as a sort of tutorial.
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On April 12 2011 16:11 VarpuliS wrote:I see... So you bring mods in when somebody is ruining the game for others, in effect? Good policy. Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 16:01 Qatol wrote:
The spam at the beginning of that thread is pretty harmless, though I guess it might look bad if the mods look at posting histories out of context. I was thinking just that. So many posts on the Automated ban forum read: "this was going to be a warning, but then I looked at your shitty posting history..." I'm training myself to preview every post so that I can proofread.
Mods here are very fair. We have our own banlist. The most common reason for banning is simply that people don't vote or post.
However:
-Constant spam
-Disruptive/rude behavior
-Cheating
-Ruining games/martyring
Can also lead to bans. Every host has a different tolerance level for that kind of behavior. Just don't act like a dick and pay attention to the rules. If you use common sense it should never be a problem.
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On April 13 2011 03:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 16:11 VarpuliS wrote:I see... So you bring mods in when somebody is ruining the game for others, in effect? Good policy. On April 12 2011 16:01 Qatol wrote:
The spam at the beginning of that thread is pretty harmless, though I guess it might look bad if the mods look at posting histories out of context. I was thinking just that. So many posts on the Automated ban forum read: "this was going to be a warning, but then I looked at your shitty posting history..." I'm training myself to preview every post so that I can proofread. Mods here are very fair. We have our own banlist. The most common reason for banning is simply that people don't vote or post. However: -Constant spam -Disruptive/rude behavior -Cheating -Ruining games/martyring Can also lead to bans. Every host has a different tolerance level for that kind of behavior. Just don't act like a dick and pay attention to the rules. If you use common sense it should never be a problem.
In general, the hosts will give you a warning for spamming or disruptive/rude behavior before banning (unless it is really really over the top). Obviously there is less tolerance for things like cheating or martyring.
Sorry, I was unclear. The TL mods pretty much only intervene in cases where someone has been modkilled and refuses to go away (like they continue to spam the thread after death after being repeatedly asked by the host to stop). Someone has to be out of control for that to happen. It is pretty rare (it happens ~5 times per year at most). As long as you follow the rules of the host + cohost of your game, you are going to be okay.
On April 12 2011 18:22 Forumite wrote:
Why is there so much talk in here that is unrelated to this particular game?
Because this is a game for new players and it is important that everyone understands how things work on this part of TL. Also, there is generally a little bit of spam during the time between a game getting posted and that game starting just because people are excited about the game starting. This will die down once the roles go out and the game actually starts.
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If you want to skip pre-game spam (particularly if you're trying to read an old game) most games have an "Important Posts" spoiler in the first post that will take you directly to the games beginning.
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On April 13 2011 03:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Don't forget I'm coaching in this game. If you want general tips on how to play as town/mafia, what kind of things you should be looking for/doing, don't be scared to PM me! I like helping people out. After this game, me and GMarshal likely will be hosting a slightly bigger game geared toward inexperienced players. Think of this as a sort of tutorial.
DocH Mafia fundamentals:
Scumplay - Call everybody stupid.
Townplay - Call everybody stupid.
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On April 13 2011 04:37 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 03:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Don't forget I'm coaching in this game. If you want general tips on how to play as town/mafia, what kind of things you should be looking for/doing, don't be scared to PM me! I like helping people out. After this game, me and GMarshal likely will be hosting a slightly bigger game geared toward inexperienced players. Think of this as a sort of tutorial. DocH Mafia fundamentals: Scumplay - Call everybody stupid. Townplay - Call everybody stupid.
Doesn't really give me any insight into XVIII that I'm trying to figure him out 
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On April 13 2011 04:37 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 03:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Don't forget I'm coaching in this game. If you want general tips on how to play as town/mafia, what kind of things you should be looking for/doing, don't be scared to PM me! I like helping people out. After this game, me and GMarshal likely will be hosting a slightly bigger game geared toward inexperienced players. Think of this as a sort of tutorial. DocH Mafia fundamentals: Scumplay - Call everybody stupid. Townplay - Call everybody stupid.
im good at scum imo bad at town but that's because I have the terrible tendency to try to accomplish town goals with mafia methods
I spent myf irst like million games on TL as scum, I got scum like 6 times in a row so being town is still something I'm getting used to. It's a whole new mindset that I understand in theory but just never put into practice. I can still give worthy advice though.
"Do as I say, not as I do"
Jackal mafia fundamentals:
Make fun of DrH
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On April 13 2011 04:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 04:37 Jackal58 wrote:On April 13 2011 03:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Don't forget I'm coaching in this game. If you want general tips on how to play as town/mafia, what kind of things you should be looking for/doing, don't be scared to PM me! I like helping people out. After this game, me and GMarshal likely will be hosting a slightly bigger game geared toward inexperienced players. Think of this as a sort of tutorial. DocH Mafia fundamentals: Scumplay - Call everybody stupid. Townplay - Call everybody stupid. im good at scum imo bad at town but that's because I have the terrible tendency to try to accomplish town goals with mafia methods I spent myf irst like million games on TL as scum, I got scum like 6 times in a row so being town is still something I'm getting used to. It's a whole new mindset that I understand in theory but just never put into practice. I can still give worthy advice though. "Do as I say, not as I do" Jackal mafia fundamentals: Make fun of DrH
Don't get me wrong Doc. You make mafia fun. I don't poke people I don't like.
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Can i still sign up? There's still one vote left XXXVIII was full and im a noob
BTW: /IN
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On April 13 2011 06:27 Vain wrote:Can i still sign up? There's still one vote left XXXVIII was full and im a noob BTW: /IN
congrats! you're the last one!
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Sign ups are full, we start Thursday at 03:00 GMT (+00:00)
anyone who still wants to play in a newbie game should consider joining Dr.H game here
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Yay! Thanks to DoctorHelvetica and Qatol for explaining how things work.
gl hf to all the other players.
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Jay, my first maffia game
I still have some problem with the terminoligy though. It's so hard to read Dt not as Dark Templar
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do alignment checks come PMed to the DT or to everyone? Where in the OP does it say that this is a flip game? (or is that a given unless specified otherwise
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On April 13 2011 23:18 Zorkmid wrote:
do alignment checks come PMed to the DT or to everyone? Where in the OP does it say that this is a flip game? (or is that a given unless specified otherwise
Alignment checks are PMed to the detective.
Unless the game says its no flip it is assumed that players are flipped on death
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Is there a GodFather or a mayor in this game?
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On April 14 2011 01:25 sandroba wrote:
Is there a GodFather or a mayor in this game?
From post #2 in this thread.
The setup is F11; one of the following four setups is to be randomly chosen and used:
Set Up:
1 Mafia Role Blocker, 1 Mafia Goon, 5 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective
1 Mafia Role Blocker, 1 Mafia Goon, 7 Town
2 Mafia Goon, 1 Medic, 6 Town.
2 Mafia Goon, 1 Detective, 6 Town.
The descriptions of each are there too.
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Yes, but these are kind of secondary roles, that get in place only after the game starts.
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In Mafia XVIII those roles were all specified and explained in the OP.
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On April 14 2011 01:40 Zorkmid wrote:
In Mafia XVIII those roles were all specified and explained in the OP.
You can assume that unless the OP says otherwise, all roles will be specified and explained in the OP. In most games, all roles will be explained in the OP including Mayor, Godfather, and Bodyguard. However, it is pretty standard for there to be roles in the OP which are not used in the game.
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On April 14 2011 00:17 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 23:18 Zorkmid wrote:
do alignment checks come PMed to the DT or to everyone? Where in the OP does it say that this is a flip game? (or is that a given unless specified otherwise Alignment checks are PMed to the detective.
Unless the game says its no flip it is assumed that players are flipped on death
Full flip, so a dead doctor shows up as the Doctor, or partial, the doctor shows up as Town?
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On April 14 2011 07:33 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 00:17 GMarshal wrote:On April 13 2011 23:18 Zorkmid wrote:
do alignment checks come PMed to the DT or to everyone? Where in the OP does it say that this is a flip game? (or is that a given unless specified otherwise Alignment checks are PMed to the detective.
Unless the game says its no flip it is assumed that players are flipped on death Full flip, so a dead doctor shows up as the Doctor, or partial, the doctor shows up as Town?
Full Flip, a dead Doctor flips Town Doctor, a dead mafia roleblocker returns Mafia Roleblocker, etc.
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The game should start in three and a half hour, right? I´m unavaliable during the start but will join in a few hours after.
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On April 14 2011 08:37 Forumite wrote:
The game should start in three and a half hour, right? I´m unavaliable during the start but will join in a few hours after.
It starts Thursday, today is Wednesday, so more like 27 and a half hours ^_^
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It´s allready thursday in europe, and 05:00 CEST is in just a few hours.
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On April 14 2011 09:42 Forumite wrote:
It´s allready thursday in europe, and 05:00 CEST is in just a few hours.
Sorry, my bad, no, not till tomorrow at 22:00 EST, stupid timezone differences
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Yeah, it´s damn confusing. Okay, game starting in about 27 hours no matter which day it is.
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Wait is there still room? If so, /in.
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On April 14 2011 13:45 sinani206 wrote:
Wait is there still room? If so, /in.
Sorry its full already, Dr.H is hosting a game similar to this one though
here
both are games geared towards new players so it should be pretty much the same thing ^_^
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So excited for this! I've been following XVIII, think I have some good reads on what is going on. I'm dying to be able to make some mafia type posts!
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Unfortunately I´m going to post slowly during the first day-phace, lots of things happening this weekend, but it should pick up next week.
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Waiting for the game to start now. After reading a couple of old mafia threads, I am quite pumped up for this.
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On April 15 2011 07:51 Forumite wrote:
Unfortunately I´m going to post slowly during the first day-phace, lots of things happening this weekend, but it should pick up next week.
You're not allowed to refer back to this when I label you scum. 
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I think this is about to start?
So GL HF to all participants, I'll be watching :D!
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Starts in 2 hr right?
I look forward to seeing how this plays out.
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Game starts in a little over an hour
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All the role PM's have been sent out. PM me if you did not receive one
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Day 1
Waves lapped against the sides of the coastal cliffs as the sun shone down gently on the little seaside town in the middle of the Mediterranean Sea. Its inhabitants hurried about in their daily lives, peaceful and full of joy. Chaoser, in particular, was enjoying a nice day on the beach reading a book from his favorite author, Conan Doyle. Seagulls flew high above him, throwing shadows of birds down upon him and the warm summer air flowed past him, into him, around him, enveloping him as the sun beat down on his skin, a shade of dark brown similar in color to the sand that existed on the many beaches of the island. Content with his day off, he was relaxing under the deep blue sky, letting it envelope him when all of a sudden his cell phone rang. Annoyed, he picked it up and answered it. “Chaoser, sorry for the call, where are you right now? You need to come back to the station right now, something’s come up.” Stated a gruff voice over the phone as Chaoser thought himself stupid for not remembering to turn his phone off. It was his boss, GMarshal, and he couldn’t very well say no to him.
Packing up, he dusted himself off and walked off the beach, heading up one of the many cobblestone streets, turning left and right until he was finally in front of the polizia station. Walking into the office of GMarshal, he set his stuff down and, sitting down, threw his feet onto the chief’s desk. “You know it’s my day off right?” he light heartedly grumbled at GMarshal, hoping to get a sheepish smile back but was only greeted by a stern face. “Something’s come up Chaoser, the mafia is back in town.” Straightening himself up, Chaoser asked Gmarshal how he knew of this. “We found a guy trying to blow up a one of our cars, he’s in the holding cell now, says Ace is back.” Suddenly Chaoser tightened up and ran out of the room, towards the holding cells. “Hey wai..!” GMarshal yelled as he ran after him but it didn’t matter. In the holding cell, Chenizu was laughing his head off, in his hand, a bomb he had snuck in. Chaoser tried desperately to find his keys so that he could open the door but it was too late.
A second later the polizia station was a mere hole in the ground. Gathering around the station, the citizens were only able to find a note. It was a message to the town. A message of war. The Mafia were back.
GMarshal The Chief Inspector is dead
Chaoser the Detective is dead
Chenizu the Suicide Bomber is dead
The day ends in 48 hours, vote for who you want to be lynched
(credit for the awesome daypost to Chaoser)
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GL HF all!!
Now that the pleasantries are out of the way, we need to find out who the scum are and show them their place.
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Btw I think we should lynch people who are inactive or lurking the boards as it is more likely that they are trying to stay under and radar and avoid suspicion on themselves by barely posting at all.
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Ah, definitely. I forgot to add "GL and HF" too. :D
It's highly essential for our first time, I'm sure.
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GL HF all <3
On April 15 2011 11:12 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Btw I think we should lynch people who are inactive or lurking the boards as it is more likely that they are trying to stay under and radar and avoid suspicion on themselves by barely posting at all.
That sounds pretty reasonable to me. Yall better start postin!
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On April 15 2011 11:12 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Btw I think we should lynch people who are inactive or lurking the boards as it is more likely that they are trying to stay under and radar and avoid suspicion on themselves by barely posting at all.
Yeah, that seem logical. We don't want to kill innocent townies, though...It's the mafia we want gone! I highly doubt any mafia would be lurking or inactive when they have chances to kill. But who am I to say...I'm still learning :/
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GL HF broskis. Not sure I agree Eternalmisfit, seeing as we're all relatively new to the mafia game.
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I agree that we are all new but if we have people only posting the minimum count and not partaking in discussion, it becomes harder to analyze who the mafia are. If we can make Mafia post more, it is likely that they will slip up and drop hints.
In any case, it will be a tough call for the first day lynch
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Hi everyone, GL HF! I would like to highly incentive everyone to post a lot of good a analisys and be very active so we can effectively make the mafia post a lot aswell if they don't want to be lynched by inactivity. This should help town a lot by giving us a lot of material to analise. Please, avoid spamming the thread with useless post and be sure to always post your opnion and analisys.
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On April 15 2011 11:12 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Btw I think we should lynch people who are inactive or lurking the boards as it is more likely that they are trying to stay under and radar and avoid suspicion on themselves by barely posting at all.
I concur with this, there sure isn't any harm in losing inactive townies OR scum!
GLHF!
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I'm sure getting rid of the inactive would make the lynching process easier, but I can't help but question the idea of getting rid of people unnecessarily. I'm thinking about it more, and I'm realizing that there's a chance the one we lynch is scum and there's also a chance that he or she might not be scum....no way to tell right now. Hopefully we'll get lucky.
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On April 15 2011 11:41 Shcoleosis wrote:
I'm sure getting rid of the inactive would make the lynching process easier, but I can't help but question the idea of getting rid of people unnecessarily. I'm thinking about it more, and I'm realizing that there's a chance the one we lynch is scum and there's also a chance that he or she might not be scum....no way to tell right now. Hopefully we'll get lucky.
Why are you trying to protect inactives? Either they're not helping to scumhunt, or they are mafia. Let's hang em all !
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Yeah, basically. I guess that's kind of the idea of keeping the thread active though, more posts mean more chances to slip up and divulge too much information.
Somewhat unrelated, but I just broke a 9 game lose streak. :D huuuuuge relief there.
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I for one am going to vote that we lynch the quiet most innocent seeming player I might even do a character count!
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On April 15 2011 12:49 Zorkmid wrote:I for one am going to vote that we lynch the quiet most innocent seeming player I might even do a character count!
hmmm...how long until we can start eye-ing some of the inactive players and leaning on em a little?
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On April 15 2011 12:52 elmizzt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 12:49 Zorkmid wrote:I for one am going to vote that we lynch the quiet most innocent seeming player I might even do a character count! hmmm...how long until we can start eye-ing some of the inactive players and leaning on em a little?
I'm already taking note that we have yet to see Forumite, Vain and Varpulis, however; I feel it's a little early yet. By the halfway mark on the first day I'll be suspicious if we haven't heard from them yet.
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We will have to see. So far three folks are missing in action. But, I guess the day just started at near sleep time on EST side. Hopefully the thread will be active tomorrow and we can start figuring out folks.
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On April 15 2011 12:40 Zorkmid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 11:41 Shcoleosis wrote:
I'm sure getting rid of the inactive would make the lynching process easier, but I can't help but question the idea of getting rid of people unnecessarily. I'm thinking about it more, and I'm realizing that there's a chance the one we lynch is scum and there's also a chance that he or she might not be scum....no way to tell right now. Hopefully we'll get lucky. Why are you trying to protect inactives? Either they're not helping to scumhunt, or they are mafia. Let's hang em all !
Not trying to protect the inactive. I guess I just didn't really understand your logic well. But, hey, if it takes lynching the inactive to get rid of the scum, LET'S DO THIS! Lol
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Well I just checked and it's actually 6 AM in sweeden/netherlands so Vain and Forumite are probably actually sleeping. However, judging from this thread varpulis is normally active around this time. Hmmm...
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Im getting the feelings that playing this game is going to be about 1/10000 as fun as watching XVIII
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On April 15 2011 14:02 Zorkmid wrote:
Im getting the feelings that playing this game is going to be about 1/10000 as fun as watching XVIII
mafia games are as fun as you choose to make them.
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1/10000 less drama too. Be sure to vote in the thread with a
##Vote Chaoser btw
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we vets should take over this thread, flame the shit out of everyone and cause utter destruction.
where is coagulation? RELEASE THE KRAKEN.
nah gl hf newbies
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On April 15 2011 15:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
we vets should take over this thread, flame the shit out of everyone and cause utter destruction.
>.<
I hope we don´t get too many non-player posts, they are basically flooding the debate, making it harder to see what´s going on.
On April 15 2011 11:41 Shcoleosis wrote:
I'm sure getting rid of the inactive would make the lynching process easier, but I can't help but question the idea of getting rid of people unnecessarily. I'm thinking about it more, and I'm realizing that there's a chance the one we lynch is scum and there's also a chance that he or she might not be scum....no way to tell right now. Hopefully we'll get lucky.
Lynching inactives is a decent tactic, because scum usually try to stay under the radar and not help so much, then again any mafia with 5 minutes on the internet would know that and try to post more to avoid the first blasts.
Been reading through these first posts and these are my first notes, not complete of course, just the first summary. While I partly agree with those who want to lynch people who post little, we should still think about how and why we lynch. It doesn´t take many lynches of slow-posting townies before we loose.
Want to lynch inactives
emlizzt
Zorkmid
Eternalmisfit
Tries to not lynch inactives, at least yet
Senj
Scholeosis
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On April 15 2011 13:08 sandroba wrote:
Well I just checked and it's actually 6 AM in sweeden/netherlands so Vain and Forumite are probably actually sleeping. However, judging from this thread varpulis is normally active around this time. Hmmm...
Yup, just got out of bed. its 12:40 now here
ehm, can't we like check if these other person's are posting elsewhere so they are knowingly avoiding posting here?
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Just to add. if that would be the case they sure would have some explaining to do
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On April 15 2011 13:08 sandroba wrote:
Well I just checked and it's actually 6 AM in sweeden/netherlands so Vain and Forumite are probably actually sleeping. However, judging from this thread varpulis is normally active around this time. Hmmm...
Varpulis posted at the start of his thread that he wont be here on Thursday/Friday so we wont see him post till near the late end of the day. Since that was posted way before the roles went out, it is unlikely that it a strategy for hiding as scum.
Also, I think the way Zorkmind is subtly derailing the discussion by talking about less fun in this mafia thread makes me wonder if has a hidden motive.
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On April 15 2011 20:06 Eternalmisfit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 13:08 sandroba wrote:
Well I just checked and it's actually 6 AM in sweeden/netherlands so Vain and Forumite are probably actually sleeping. However, judging from this thread varpulis is normally active around this time. Hmmm... Varpulis posted at the start of his thread that he wont be here on Thursday/Friday so we wont see him post till near the late end of the day. Since that was posted way before the roles went out, it is unlikely that it a strategy for hiding as scum. Also, I think the way Zorkmind is subtly derailing the discussion by talking about less fun in this mafia thread makes me wonder if has a hidden motive.
LOL! What I'm really doing is grasping to figure out how to scumhunt in the absence of a mayoral election or something like that
If you don't believe me, go read the last few pages of XVIII, its gold Jerry, gold!
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Well, there's not much info right now, but my main suspicion right now is scholeosis. I want to get this thread going as soon as possible so here it goes:
On April 15 2011 11:17 Shcoleosis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 11:12 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Btw I think we should lynch people who are inactive or lurking the boards as it is more likely that they are trying to stay under and radar and avoid suspicion on themselves by barely posting at all. Yeah, that seem logical. We don't want to kill innocent townies, though...It's the mafia we want gone! I highly doubt any mafia would be lurking or inactive when they have chances to kill. But who am I to say...I'm still learning :/
First he states the obvious: we don't want to kill town, we want to kill scum. Then he says he's newbie and that's obvious too, as this is a newbie game, and from what I read from guides that's usually a scum tell trying to justify his current and future behaviour.
On April 15 2011 13:01 Shcoleosis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 12:40 Zorkmid wrote:On April 15 2011 11:41 Shcoleosis wrote:
I'm sure getting rid of the inactive would make the lynching process easier, but I can't help but question the idea of getting rid of people unnecessarily. I'm thinking about it more, and I'm realizing that there's a chance the one we lynch is scum and there's also a chance that he or she might not be scum....no way to tell right now. Hopefully we'll get lucky. Why are you trying to protect inactives? Either they're not helping to scumhunt, or they are mafia. Let's hang em all ! Not trying to protect the inactive. I guess I just didn't really understand your logic well. But, hey, if it takes lynching the inactive to get rid of the scum, LET'S DO THIS! Lol
Here he talks about not trying to protect the inactive. Note that at this point there were 3 people inactive. Maybe he's claiming not trying to protect the inactive scum? That feels like a slip to me. Then in the last part of his post he claims he doesn't understand the clear logic of being active is pro-town as it gives us more information from which to analise.
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On April 15 2011 11:27 Zorkmid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 11:12 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Btw I think we should lynch people who are inactive or lurking the boards as it is more likely that they are trying to stay under and radar and avoid suspicion on themselves by barely posting at all. I concur with this, there sure isn't any harm in losing inactive townies OR scum! GLHF!
There is a lot of harm in losing any kind of townies.
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My FoS is on Shcoleosis as well for the same reasons, and will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit's argument about this Zorkmind person.
On April 15 2011 20:06 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Also, I think the way Zorkmind is subtly derailing the discussion by talking about less fun in this mafia thread makes me wonder if has a hidden motive.
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On April 15 2011 20:52 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 11:27 Zorkmid wrote:On April 15 2011 11:12 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Btw I think we should lynch people who are inactive or lurking the boards as it is more likely that they are trying to stay under and radar and avoid suspicion on themselves by barely posting at all. I concur with this, there sure isn't any harm in losing inactive townies OR scum! GLHF! There is a lot of harm in losing any kind of townies.
I disagree. Sure it sucks, but once we lose the inactive townies who are not contributing to scumhunting, we'll have a better mathematical chance of lynching scum. I also get the feeling that Mafia will be killing the more active posters here.
Maybe I should just shut up then!
Is the Mafia's KP 2 to start?
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On April 15 2011 20:57 Zorkmid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 20:52 sandroba wrote:On April 15 2011 11:27 Zorkmid wrote:On April 15 2011 11:12 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Btw I think we should lynch people who are inactive or lurking the boards as it is more likely that they are trying to stay under and radar and avoid suspicion on themselves by barely posting at all. I concur with this, there sure isn't any harm in losing inactive townies OR scum! GLHF! There is a lot of harm in losing any kind of townies. I disagree. Sure it sucks, but once we lose the inactive townies who are not contributing to scumhunting, we'll have a better mathematical chance of lynching scum. I also get the feeling that Mafia will be killing the more active posters here. Maybe I should just shut up then! Is the Mafia's KP 2 to start?
Mafia
Your goal is to eliminate everyone else in the town. Your ability, as a group, is killing off whomever you decide on at night and knowing the role of each other player in your mafia. You may kill your own members. Mafia killing power is always 1 until there are no mafia remaining.
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If mafia has kp 2 that's actually pretty insane as if we mislynch on day 1 we would be 4 town 2 mafia on day 2 and auto lose if we mislynch again.
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On April 15 2011 20:52 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 11:27 Zorkmid wrote:On April 15 2011 11:12 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Btw I think we should lynch people who are inactive or lurking the boards as it is more likely that they are trying to stay under and radar and avoid suspicion on themselves by barely posting at all. I concur with this, there sure isn't any harm in losing inactive townies OR scum! GLHF! There is a lot of harm in losing any kind of townies.
The idea of lynching an inactive on day1 is:
1. He is mafia - good lynch then.
2. He is town - In that it is better to lynch an inactive townie than risking lynching an active townie or a blue on the first day.
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On April 15 2011 20:52 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 11:27 Zorkmid wrote:On April 15 2011 11:12 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Btw I think we should lynch people who are inactive or lurking the boards as it is more likely that they are trying to stay under and radar and avoid suspicion on themselves by barely posting at all. I concur with this, there sure isn't any harm in losing inactive townies OR scum! GLHF! There is a lot of harm in losing any kind of townies.
I'm suspicious that this means that sandroba is scum, and knows that that his scum buddy is going to be inactive.
This points to Forumrite.
Unfortunately I´m going to post slowly during the first day-phace, lots of things happening this weekend, but it should pick up next week.
It doesn't matter that he posted this before he was even PM'ed.....if my assumption about sandroba holds true, than he has already revealed he AND Forumrite.
How do you plead?
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Fuck, not being allowed to edit sucks. Now you all know I've got shit grammar.
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That makes no kind of sense whatsoever. How is me saying losing townies is a bad thing makes me scum? I'm obviously town. The idea of lynching inactives is really just to make sure everyone post enough so we can get a read on them.
Also attacking the one doing analisys on you is not good town play. That's called OMGUS from what I've read. If you really are town then you should either defend yourself or make a case of someone you think is scum (a decent one, not the nonsencical one you've posted) so you can actually help town.
I also have no connection with forumite and I fail to see how you could possibly have drawn this conclusion. And to say it doesn't matter if he posted that before or after he got PM'ed is just LOL.
You are looking more and more like scum to me.
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Whoa, I thought that was scholeosis posting that, and I was thinking we had a clear scum for day 1 lynch. Besides the analisys part, since I haven't done one on you, my point still stands. I don't think you are scum though, since you are actually trying to do analises, although not a good one.
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Because of your slip, I no longer suspect Scholesis.
FoS sandroba
Why explain why your town play is bad and then cite a guide you read that explained it was bad?
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What? Really, what? You either have really bad reading comprehension or you are trying to derail this thread.
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At least I can tell who posted what.
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On April 15 2011 20:46 sandroba wrote:Well, there's not much info right now, but my main suspicion right now is scholeosis. I want to get this thread going as soon as possible so here it goes: Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 11:17 Shcoleosis wrote:On April 15 2011 11:12 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Btw I think we should lynch people who are inactive or lurking the boards as it is more likely that they are trying to stay under and radar and avoid suspicion on themselves by barely posting at all. Yeah, that seem logical. We don't want to kill innocent townies, though...It's the mafia we want gone! I highly doubt any mafia would be lurking or inactive when they have chances to kill. But who am I to say...I'm still learning :/ First he states the obvious: we don't want to kill town, we want to kill scum. Then he says he's newbie and that's obvious too, as this is a newbie game, and from what I read from guides that's usually a scum tell trying to justify his current and future behaviour. Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 13:01 Shcoleosis wrote:On April 15 2011 12:40 Zorkmid wrote:On April 15 2011 11:41 Shcoleosis wrote:
I'm sure getting rid of the inactive would make the lynching process easier, but I can't help but question the idea of getting rid of people unnecessarily. I'm thinking about it more, and I'm realizing that there's a chance the one we lynch is scum and there's also a chance that he or she might not be scum....no way to tell right now. Hopefully we'll get lucky. Why are you trying to protect inactives? Either they're not helping to scumhunt, or they are mafia. Let's hang em all ! Not trying to protect the inactive. I guess I just didn't really understand your logic well. But, hey, if it takes lynching the inactive to get rid of the scum, LET'S DO THIS! Lol Here he talks about not trying to protect the inactive. Note that at this point there were 3 people inactive. Maybe he's claiming not trying to protect the inactive scum? That feels like a slip to me. Then in the last part of his post he claims he doesn't understand the clear logic of being active is pro-town as it gives us more information from which to analise.
btw scholeosis is a girl
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On April 15 2011 23:03 Zorkmid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 20:52 sandroba wrote:On April 15 2011 11:27 Zorkmid wrote:On April 15 2011 11:12 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Btw I think we should lynch people who are inactive or lurking the boards as it is more likely that they are trying to stay under and radar and avoid suspicion on themselves by barely posting at all. I concur with this, there sure isn't any harm in losing inactive townies OR scum! GLHF! There is a lot of harm in losing any kind of townies. I'm suspicious that this means that sandroba is scum, and knows that that his scum buddy is going to be inactive. This points to Forumrite. Show nested quote +Unfortunately I´m going to post slowly during the first day-phace, lots of things happening this weekend, but it should pick up next week. It doesn't matter that he posted this before he was even PM'ed.....if my assumption about sandroba holds true, than he has already revealed he AND Forumrite. How do you plead?
This seemed retarded at first, but the more I think about it, the more it makes sense....
It seems too convenient that forumite is afk at the start and that sandroba would make that statement.
Plus, my gut tells me that the first person who breaks and makes an outright accusation is suspicious, and that was Sandroba as well.
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Is the Mafia's KP 2 to start?
Mafia KP is always 1 this game
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On April 15 2011 23:03 Zorkmid wrote:This points to Forumrite. Show nested quote +Unfortunately I´m going to post slowly during the first day-phace, lots of things happening this weekend, but it should pick up next week. It doesn't matter that he posted this before he was even PM'ed.....if my assumption about sandroba holds true, than he has already revealed he AND Forumrite. How do you plead?
I don´t understand your analysis at all. I´m in the game, posting, but unfortunately I can´t be online all the time. I will try to compensate by posting more when I can.
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I see 2 things people should take note off. Please call me out if I misinterpret the situation, I WANT to hear your defence against these accusations. That I accuse Zorkmind immediately after he´s suspicious of me is bad form, but please check his posts if you don´t believe me.
1. Ssandroba and Zorkmind are both suspicious of Shcoleosis, apparently because she (?) wants to be carefull about who to lynch.
2. Zorkmind has posted that he is suspicious of Forumite (me), Ssandroba (twice) and Shcoleosis, all three who try to encourage analysis and debate and doesn´t want to lynch innocents. I feel this is scummy behavior because analysis and carefull lynching is what Town wants.
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Stop calling me Zorkmind!
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FoS: Zorkmid
For the reasons mentioned above in my post, and because Zorkmid hasn´t made any effort at all to change my mind.
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Is there a voting thread yet?
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On April 16 2011 03:51 Forumite wrote:
FoS: Zorkmid
For the reasons mentioned above in my post, and because Zorkmid hasn´t made any effort at all to change my mind.
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Is there a voting thread yet?
No voting thread, vote in here please.
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I'm all up for scumhunting, and will defend myself at any point that I think it's necessary. Let's hear from the lurkers!
VarpuliS
Senj
Vain
Penny for your thoughts?
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On April 16 2011 03:59 Zorkmid wrote:
I'm all up for scumhunting, and will defend myself at any point that I think it's necessary. Let's hear from the lurkers!
Why do you accuse those who want debate and analysis? Isn´t that a good way to find Scums?
I want an answer from the lurkers too, especially if they are quiet tomorrow too, but the way you focused on them now, at the time that I want answers from you, feels more like you are trying to direct the heat to someone else.
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Alright, just got back! Read through the thread, and from what I can gather, everybody either wants to
a) Lynch an inactive player because he might be lurking scum/ because he won't be helpful later on.
b) Wait to see how things play out.
I think we should pressure lurkers, but put the votes towards suspicious characters once we get the lurkers talking.
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On April 16 2011 03:59 Zorkmid wrote:
I'm all up for scumhunting, and will defend myself at any point that I think it's necessary. Let's hear from the lurkers!
VarpuliS
Senj
Vain
Penny for your thoughts?
I'm interested in the little argument you and Forumite are having. I'm not sure if you're right and he's suspicious or if you're suspicious because of your accusation.
I don't like the idea of lynching active players without a good reason, though, and neither of those reasons are good enough for a lynch. Also, there's practically no way that you've found both the mafia within 24 hours of the beginning of the first day.
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On April 16 2011 05:48 VarpuliS wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 03:59 Zorkmid wrote:
I'm all up for scumhunting, and will defend myself at any point that I think it's necessary. Let's hear from the lurkers!
VarpuliS
Senj
Vain
Penny for your thoughts? I don't like the idea of lynching active players without a good reason, though, and neither of those reasons are good enough for a lynch. Also, there's practically no way that you've found both the mafia within 24 hours of the beginning of the first day.
I also don't think there are good enough reasons yet to string someone up. I am suspicious about coming to the aid of someone that hadn't even come online yet.
Finding both in like 5 posts would have been damned epic though.
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There has been some accusations of scummy behavior allready, actually everyone has except the lurkers (Varp, Senj, Vain) and Shcoleosis have pointed out someone that they think are scummy. There are 4 different people who have been pointed out as scummy by at least two people, at least if my data is correct.
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On April 16 2011 05:52 Forumite wrote:
There has been some accusations of scummy behavior allready, actually everyone has except the lurkers (Varp, Senj, Vain) and Shcoleosis have pointed out someone that they think are scummy. There are 4 different people who have been pointed out as scummy by at least two people, at least if my data is correct.
would you care to share your data with the rest of us?
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Well, right now, I'm still waiting on some kind of response by scholeosis. And the other lurkers should come out of the shadows and post their opnion, or is the situation too confortable that the scum can sit back and realx?
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Zorkmid accuse Forumite (me) and Ssandroba on very shaky evidence, and Emlizzt agreed with him for questionable reasons.
On April 16 2011 02:34 elmizzt wrote:This seemed retarded at first, but the more I think about it, the more it makes sense....
I and Eternalmisfit has accused Zorkmid, I think he´s trying to get reasonable people lynched and Eternal noted that he´s subtly derailing the talk.
I have Zorkmid and Sandroba against Shcoleosis. Zorkmid thinks Sholeosis doesn´t want to lynch lurkers because his buddy is a lurker, while Sandroba makes a case about how he´s not helping the debate but only stating the obvious.
Wants to Lynch Inactives:
emlizzt
Zorkmid
Eternalmisfit
Wants to Not Lynch Inactives:
Forumite (me)
Senj
Shcoleosis
Still not much to go on, but good to keep in mind for now.
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I probably missed some information, this is just from going through the thread once.
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On April 16 2011 06:04 VarpuliS wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 05:52 Forumite wrote:
There has been some accusations of scummy behavior allready, actually everyone has except the lurkers (Varp, Senj, Vain) and Shcoleosis have pointed out someone that they think are scummy. There are 4 different people who have been pointed out as scummy by at least two people, at least if my data is correct. would you care to share your data with the rest of us?
And because I like tripple-posting;
Yes, and you are welcome.
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On April 15 2011 23:19 sandroba wrote:
That makes no kind of sense whatsoever. How is me saying losing townies is a bad thing makes me scum? I'm obviously town. The idea of lynching inactives is really just to make sure everyone post enough so we can get a read on them.
Also attacking the one doing analisys on you is not good town play. That's called OMGUS from what I've read. If you really are town then you should either defend yourself or make a case of someone you think is scum (a decent one, not the nonsencical one you've posted) so you can actually help town.
I also have no connection with forumite and I fail to see how you could possibly have drawn this conclusion. And to say it doesn't matter if he posted that before or after he got PM'ed is just LOL.
You are looking more and more like scum to me.
This is a scummy post. He gets defensive and says two scummy lines, which I bolded. Not sure if it's just defensive posting because Zorkmid called him scum or an actual scumtell, but it's suspicious.
I highly doubt that Forumite is scum though, so I might just be overanalysing.
Zorkmid's schtick about Forumite being scummy because he' busy over the weekend is bullshit though.
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On April 16 2011 06:23 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 06:04 VarpuliS wrote:On April 16 2011 05:52 Forumite wrote:
There has been some accusations of scummy behavior allready, actually everyone has except the lurkers (Varp, Senj, Vain) and Shcoleosis have pointed out someone that they think are scummy. There are 4 different people who have been pointed out as scummy by at least two people, at least if my data is correct. would you care to share your data with the rest of us? And because I like tripple-posting; Yes, and you are welcome.
Thank you very much. Am I still a lurker?
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On April 16 2011 06:28 VarpuliS wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 06:23 Forumite wrote:On April 16 2011 06:04 VarpuliS wrote:On April 16 2011 05:52 Forumite wrote:
There has been some accusations of scummy behavior allready, actually everyone has except the lurkers (Varp, Senj, Vain) and Shcoleosis have pointed out someone that they think are scummy. There are 4 different people who have been pointed out as scummy by at least two people, at least if my data is correct. would you care to share your data with the rest of us? And because I like tripple-posting; Yes, and you are welcome. Thank you very much. Am I still a lurker?
Nope, not anymore.
Senj and Vain seem like the lurkers now, but I´m not sure, counting their posts in this thread might be a good idea.
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On April 16 2011 06:17 sandroba wrote:
Well, right now, I'm still waiting on some kind of response by scholeosis. And the other lurkers should come out of the shadows and post their opnion, or is the situation too confortable that the scum can sit back and realx?
Well i'll come out of the shadows then and will mention there is not very much too say jet. You can only argue that some are more active then others but i don't think any obvious or major slips were made. Sure, Zorkmid has like 50% of the posts but doesn't really really fit the picture of scum(jet?). I think Shcoleosis has displayed an odd behaviour by at first saying I'm still learning :/ and switching from opinion that fast but an explanation for this could be that (s)he really isn't really into this game jet and is just afraid of being hanged the first day. Still until (s)he can give an explenation, my vote is still on him/her.
And btw please tell if your a girl or not. i am sick of typing 2 genders all the time. ifnot i assume your sexless, lol
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On April 16 2011 06:36 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 06:28 VarpuliS wrote:On April 16 2011 06:23 Forumite wrote:On April 16 2011 06:04 VarpuliS wrote:On April 16 2011 05:52 Forumite wrote:
There has been some accusations of scummy behavior allready, actually everyone has except the lurkers (Varp, Senj, Vain) and Shcoleosis have pointed out someone that they think are scummy. There are 4 different people who have been pointed out as scummy by at least two people, at least if my data is correct. would you care to share your data with the rest of us? And because I like tripple-posting; Yes, and you are welcome. Thank you very much. Am I still a lurker? Nope, not anymore. Senj and Vain seem like the lurkers now, but I´m not sure, counting their posts in this thread might be a good idea.
Four if you count this one;)
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On April 16 2011 06:39 Vain wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 06:36 Forumite wrote:On April 16 2011 06:28 VarpuliS wrote:On April 16 2011 06:23 Forumite wrote:On April 16 2011 06:04 VarpuliS wrote:On April 16 2011 05:52 Forumite wrote:
There has been some accusations of scummy behavior allready, actually everyone has except the lurkers (Varp, Senj, Vain) and Shcoleosis have pointed out someone that they think are scummy. There are 4 different people who have been pointed out as scummy by at least two people, at least if my data is correct. would you care to share your data with the rest of us? And because I like tripple-posting; Yes, and you are welcome. Thank you very much. Am I still a lurker? Nope, not anymore. Senj and Vain seem like the lurkers now, but I´m not sure, counting their posts in this thread might be a good idea. Four if you count this one;)
I stand corrected. Senj has posted some, it´s not really a matter of non-posters anymore, but just some posting less, taking less part and taking less room in the debate.
Information: Going offline early tonight. Will be back online tomorrow. Play nice while I´m gone.
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going offline now, gnight.
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I think we should start putting pressure, because this debate of me zorkmid and forumite throwing suspicion against each other is getting too confortable for the mafia. We have to starting giving out opnions and pointing some fingers, instead of being indecive. We have to stop "Well this could be scummy, but also could be that it's not scummy" . Yes, it's really hard to analise on day 1, but we at least have to try. As of now the only one to me that has shown any kind of clear scum behaviour is scholeosis. Zorkmid chainsaw defense of scholeosis seems suspicous aswell, but if it is indeed a chainsaw defense then pressuring scholeosis should be able to reveal them both.
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As it stands it's unlikely we can identify mafia day one. I think we should lynch a lurker day 1 and see who the mafia kills night 1 before trying any hardcore analysis. I've got no problem with the analysis that's been going on atm though, so keep it up guys!
I just looked though the thread, and pretty much 100% of Eternalmisfit's posts have been pushing for an inactive lynch day 1. He'd like to get everybody talking, but has yet to contribute in a meaningful way. If we're gonna lynch a lurker, it should either be him or Senj, who has been lurking since the beginning of the game, save a few posts about inactives.
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On April 16 2011 07:10 VarpuliS wrote:
I just looked though the thread, and pretty much 100% of Eternalmisfit's posts have been pushing for an inactive lynch day 1. He'd like to get everybody talking, but has yet to contribute in a meaningful way. If we're gonna lynch a lurker, it should either be him or Senj, who has been lurking since the beginning of the game, save a few posts about inactives.
I pushed for inactive lynch as I don't see in-actives contributing to discussion in any form or sense. As far as meaningful discussion is concerned, there has been very little analysis by anyone on this thread apart from arbitrary finger pointing.
As far as my suspicions are concerned, I am quite suspicious of Shcoleosis being scum.
+ Show Spoiler +
Most of the people in the town are in 2 camps: lynching lurkers or not lynching lurkers. And for the most, the people have strong opinions on the matter. Shcoleosis initially was quite against the idea at the start of the discussion. However, as my suggestion gained some support (as most of the people opposed to it posted later), she quickly jumped sides and was semi-pro for lynching inactives.
I think she is changing her opinion and trying a bit too hard to fit in which seems like scummy behavior. She has also been inactive since those posts.
FoS Shcoleosis
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On April 16 2011 07:10 VarpuliS wrote:
As it stands it's unlikely we can identify mafia day one. I think we should lynch a lurker day 1 and see who the mafia kills night 1 before trying any hardcore analysis. I've got no problem with the analysis that's been going on atm though, so keep it up guys!
I just looked though the thread, and pretty much 100% of Eternalmisfit's posts have been pushing for an inactive lynch day 1. He'd like to get everybody talking, but has yet to contribute in a meaningful way. If we're gonna lynch a lurker, it should either be him or Senj, who has been lurking since the beginning of the game, save a few posts about inactives.
This is pretty contradictory. And you conviniently forgot about scholeosis who has 2 post of utter nothingness and scumtells.
Senj really hasn't shown up much to give us his insight.
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On April 16 2011 07:28 Eternalmisfit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 07:10 VarpuliS wrote:
I just looked though the thread, and pretty much 100% of Eternalmisfit's posts have been pushing for an inactive lynch day 1. He'd like to get everybody talking, but has yet to contribute in a meaningful way. If we're gonna lynch a lurker, it should either be him or Senj, who has been lurking since the beginning of the game, save a few posts about inactives. I pushed for inactive lynch as I don't see in-actives contributing to discussion in any form or sense. As far as meaningful discussion is concerned, there has been very little analysis by anyone on this thread apart from arbitrary finger pointing. As far as my suspicions are concerned, I am quite suspicious of Shcoleosis being scum. + Show Spoiler +
Most of the people in the town are in 2 camps: lynching lurkers or not lynching lurkers. And for the most, the people have strong opinions on the matter. Shcoleosis initially was quite against the idea at the start of the discussion. However, as my suggestion gained some support (as most of the people opposed to it posted later), she quickly jumped sides and was semi-pro for lynching inactives.
I think she is changing her opinion and trying a bit too hard to fit in which seems like scummy behavior. She has also been inactive since those posts.
Shcoleosis
Fair enough about the lurking. I'll look into the Shcoleosis matter. Expect a post about it in a couple of minutes.
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...And as promised, here is my analysis of Shcoleosis' posts.
First post is a response to Eternalmisfit's suggestion to pressure lurkers
On April 15 2011 11:17 Shcoleosis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 11:12 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Btw I think we should lynch people who are inactive or lurking the boards as it is more likely that they are trying to stay under and radar and avoid suspicion on themselves by barely posting at all. Yeah, that seem logical. We don't want to kill innocent townies, though...It's the mafia we want gone! I highly doubt any mafia would be lurking or inactive when they have chances to kill. But who am I to say...I'm still learning :/
This bolded line is not scummy, it's just stupid. Mafia doesn't kill by talking, they kill by pm'ing GMarshal at night. Mafia needs to avoid drawing attention to itself to prevent themselves from getting lynched. This post in general is pretty worthless, ending with a line that is... strange. But who am I to say...I'm still learning :/
This is the first scumtell I can see. She basically says "don't listen to me, i'm new." Townies need to talk and be listened to, not ignored because this is their first game. Only mafia and blues benefit from being ignored, so unless he roleclaims, lets assume scum.
Second post comes a little bit later. the post reads:
On April 15 2011 11:41 Shcoleosis wrote:
I'm sure getting rid of the inactive would make the lynching process easier, but I can't help but question the idea of getting rid of people unnecessarily. I'm thinking about it more, and I'm realizing that there's a chance the one we lynch is scum and there's also a chance that he or she might not be scum....no way to tell right now. Hopefully we'll get lucky.
This is a post which blends in. It says practically nothing, but appears to be a contribution. Blending in is not something a townie needs to do. +1 scum level.
Finally, we've got lucky number 3:
On April 15 2011 13:01 Shcoleosis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 12:40 Zorkmid wrote:On April 15 2011 11:41 Shcoleosis wrote:
I'm sure getting rid of the inactive would make the lynching process easier, but I can't help but question the idea of getting rid of people unnecessarily. I'm thinking about it more, and I'm realizing that there's a chance the one we lynch is scum and there's also a chance that he or she might not be scum....no way to tell right now. Hopefully we'll get lucky. Why are you trying to protect inactives? Either they're not helping to scumhunt, or they are mafia. Let's hang em all ! Not trying to protect the inactive. I guess I just didn't really understand your logic well. But, hey, if it takes lynching the inactive to get rid of the scum, LET'S DO THIS! Lol
Here, Shcoleosis basically says: "you seem to disagree with me... fine, you're right!" Agreeing with everybody else is something that two kinds of players do:
-unhelpful townies -because they're just being sheep
-mafia -because they're trying to blend in
I don't want either in my town come lategame.
Based off of this analysis, I'd like to start putting some pressure on Shcoleosis. Until a better target surfaces or she comes up with some good posts later on, I'll put my vote on her.
## Vote Shcoleosis
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I think I agree with most of your analysis Varpulis. My line of thought was something similar when I raised my suspicions. I am still going to give her a few hours more to post her defense but I am leaning toward Shcolesis at the moment.
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Also note that females are extremelly socially intelligent on average, while being the masters of appearing dumb while being manipulative.
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On April 16 2011 08:15 sandroba wrote:
Also note that females are extremelly socially intelligent on average, while being the masters of appearing dumb while being manipulative.
Let's leave stereotypes and mildly sexist comments out of the game please -_-
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Just to be clear: I'm not hell bent on lynching Shcoleosis. If a reasonable defense is given, then I'll remove my vote.
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I'm sorry if I sound sexist, I really am not and ment no offense towards you scholeosis. I love girls and admire them for the characteristics I mentioned above.
Vote: Scholeosis
As a place holder. I'm going out right now and I'll probably be back around 4'o clock in the morning here in Brazil (GMT -3).
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Well, She didn't change my opinion on her so:
##Vote: Scholeosis
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Whoa, what? I leave for a few hours and I come back to everyone against me? The last thing I'm trying to do is be falsely accused of something I'm obviously not. I was looking at things from a different point of view in order to help all of us find out who is mafia scum. Then, after I thought about it, I changed my mind a little because I started to see the point. Since I am new to this game, I am trying my best to give my point of view and understand without everyone being paranoid of me. Think of it this way, though, if I were mafia scum, why would I want to disagree with you all? That would make it blatantly obvious that I am scum!
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Having a different opinion/being vocal is not a scumtell.
Shcoleosis, sheeping is not a great way to play town, if you are indeed town. Even if you're not scum, you're not helping us find them. Who do you think would be a better target for a lynch? there are no inactives left, and you are the most suspicious of the lurkers so far.
I'd love to hear your opinion. If you can convince me that somebody else is more scummy than you, then I'll change my vote, until then, I'm fine with leaving you over the fire.
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After reading this thread entirely, here's what I think on the matter:
In my opinion, one of the first to accuse is usually the guilty one. Automatically everyone’s opinions are immediately placed under suspicion as the game progresses. That being the case, a mafia member wouldn’t express his opinions as eagerly as he would if he were agreeing with someone else’s. He would, however, be quick to blame, because doing so would divert attention away from himself.
On April 15 2011 20:53 Zorkmid wrote:My FoS is on Shcoleosis as well for the same reasons, and will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit's argument about this Zorkmind person. Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 20:06 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Also, I think the way Zorkmind is subtly derailing the discussion by talking about less fun in this mafia thread makes me wonder if has a hidden motive.
Zorkmid came up with the idea of lynching inactives and lurkers. That would work out greatly to his advantage if he were part of the mafia since it is more of an opportunity to blend, right? The more we accuse those of having a different opinion, the less of a suspect he seems to be. I am not the first to disagree with him. I am not the first to be accused because I disagreed with him. Notice how Zorkmid says he “will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit’s argument about his Zorkmind person.” Why so defensive, Zorkmid? Perhaps he is afraid of everyone discovering how he is desperately trying to divert attention away from himself. He’s doing a great job of it. I had my suspicions about him early on because he's not only quick to agree with the majority, but he is also quick to blame. I didn't quote any other of his posts, but to me, he acts quite suspicious in most of them.
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On April 16 2011 09:51 Shcoleosis wrote:After reading this thread entirely, here's what I think on the matter: In my opinion, one of the first to accuse is usually the guilty one. Automatically everyone’s opinions are immediately placed under suspicion as the game progresses. That being the case, a mafia member wouldn’t express his opinions as eagerly as he would if he were agreeing with someone else’s. He would, however, be quick to blame, because doing so would divert attention away from himself. Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 20:53 Zorkmid wrote:My FoS is on Shcoleosis as well for the same reasons, and will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit's argument about this Zorkmind person. On April 15 2011 20:06 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Also, I think the way Zorkmind is subtly derailing the discussion by talking about less fun in this mafia thread makes me wonder if has a hidden motive. Zorkmid came up with the idea of lynching inactives and lurkers. That would work out greatly to his advantage if he were part of the mafia since it is more of an opportunity to blend, right? The more we accuse those of having a different opinion, the less of a suspect he seems to be. I am not the first to disagree with him. I am not the first to be accused because I disagreed with him. Notice how Zorkmid says he “will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit’s argument about his Zorkmind person.” Why so defensive, Zorkmid? Perhaps he is afraid of everyone discovering how he is desperately trying to divert attention away from himself. He’s doing a great job of it. I had my suspicions about him early on because he's not only quick to agree with the majority, but he is also quick to blame. I didn't quote any other of his posts, but to me, he acts quite suspicious in most of them.
I've just learned that you should always beware of the person that is the first to agree with a scum read. If I were a mafia I'd be looking for the first opportunity to form a bandwagon against a known townie.
Misfit was the first to point the finger at me, and I wanted everyone to wait and watch for the second
Question for you Scheleosis......what's your plan to survive tomorrow? I'd say your only bet is to claim blue.
##Vote Scheleosis
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On April 16 2011 10:03 Zorkmid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 09:51 Shcoleosis wrote:After reading this thread entirely, here's what I think on the matter: In my opinion, one of the first to accuse is usually the guilty one. Automatically everyone’s opinions are immediately placed under suspicion as the game progresses. That being the case, a mafia member wouldn’t express his opinions as eagerly as he would if he were agreeing with someone else’s. He would, however, be quick to blame, because doing so would divert attention away from himself. On April 15 2011 20:53 Zorkmid wrote:My FoS is on Shcoleosis as well for the same reasons, and will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit's argument about this Zorkmind person. On April 15 2011 20:06 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Also, I think the way Zorkmind is subtly derailing the discussion by talking about less fun in this mafia thread makes me wonder if has a hidden motive. Zorkmid came up with the idea of lynching inactives and lurkers. That would work out greatly to his advantage if he were part of the mafia since it is more of an opportunity to blend, right? The more we accuse those of having a different opinion, the less of a suspect he seems to be. I am not the first to disagree with him. I am not the first to be accused because I disagreed with him. Notice how Zorkmid says he “will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit’s argument about his Zorkmind person.” Why so defensive, Zorkmid? Perhaps he is afraid of everyone discovering how he is desperately trying to divert attention away from himself. He’s doing a great job of it. I had my suspicions about him early on because he's not only quick to agree with the majority, but he is also quick to blame. I didn't quote any other of his posts, but to me, he acts quite suspicious in most of them. I've just learned that you should always beware of the person that is the first to agree with a scum read. If I were a mafia I'd be looking for the first opportunity to form a bandwagon against a known townie. Misfit was the first to point the finger at me, and I wanted everyone to wait and watch for the second Question for you Scheleosis......what's your plan to survive tomorrow? I'd say your only bet is to claim blue. ##Vote Scheleosis
"If I were a mafia, I'd be looking for the first opportunity to form a bandwagon against a known townie." Uh, Zorkmid, isn't that exactly what you're doing? Wait, isn't that also what you did to Sandroba?? Take a look at the pattern you're creating.
On April 15 2011 23:50 Zorkmid wrote:
Because of your slip, I no longer suspect Scholesis.
FoS sandroba
Why explain why your town play is bad and then cite a guide you read that explained it was bad?
Exhibit A.
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On April 16 2011 10:12 Shcoleosis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 10:03 Zorkmid wrote:On April 16 2011 09:51 Shcoleosis wrote:After reading this thread entirely, here's what I think on the matter: In my opinion, one of the first to accuse is usually the guilty one. Automatically everyone’s opinions are immediately placed under suspicion as the game progresses. That being the case, a mafia member wouldn’t express his opinions as eagerly as he would if he were agreeing with someone else’s. He would, however, be quick to blame, because doing so would divert attention away from himself. On April 15 2011 20:53 Zorkmid wrote:My FoS is on Shcoleosis as well for the same reasons, and will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit's argument about this Zorkmind person. On April 15 2011 20:06 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Also, I think the way Zorkmind is subtly derailing the discussion by talking about less fun in this mafia thread makes me wonder if has a hidden motive. Zorkmid came up with the idea of lynching inactives and lurkers. That would work out greatly to his advantage if he were part of the mafia since it is more of an opportunity to blend, right? The more we accuse those of having a different opinion, the less of a suspect he seems to be. I am not the first to disagree with him. I am not the first to be accused because I disagreed with him. Notice how Zorkmid says he “will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit’s argument about his Zorkmind person.” Why so defensive, Zorkmid? Perhaps he is afraid of everyone discovering how he is desperately trying to divert attention away from himself. He’s doing a great job of it. I had my suspicions about him early on because he's not only quick to agree with the majority, but he is also quick to blame. I didn't quote any other of his posts, but to me, he acts quite suspicious in most of them. I've just learned that you should always beware of the person that is the first to agree with a scum read. If I were a mafia I'd be looking for the first opportunity to form a bandwagon against a known townie. Misfit was the first to point the finger at me, and I wanted everyone to wait and watch for the second Question for you Scheleosis......what's your plan to survive tomorrow? I'd say your only bet is to claim blue. ##Vote Scheleosis "If I were a mafia, I'd be looking for the first opportunity to form a bandwagon against a known townie." Uh, Zorkmid, isn't that exactly what you're doing? Wait, isn't that also what you did to Sandroba?? Take a look at the pattern you're creating. Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 23:50 Zorkmid wrote:
Because of your slip, I no longer suspect Scholesis.
FoS sandroba
Why explain why your town play is bad and then cite a guide you read that explained it was bad? Exhibit A.
There's a difference between explaining why bad play is bad, and explaining why good play is good.
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On April 16 2011 10:15 Zorkmid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 10:12 Shcoleosis wrote:On April 16 2011 10:03 Zorkmid wrote:On April 16 2011 09:51 Shcoleosis wrote:After reading this thread entirely, here's what I think on the matter: In my opinion, one of the first to accuse is usually the guilty one. Automatically everyone’s opinions are immediately placed under suspicion as the game progresses. That being the case, a mafia member wouldn’t express his opinions as eagerly as he would if he were agreeing with someone else’s. He would, however, be quick to blame, because doing so would divert attention away from himself. On April 15 2011 20:53 Zorkmid wrote:My FoS is on Shcoleosis as well for the same reasons, and will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit's argument about this Zorkmind person. On April 15 2011 20:06 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Also, I think the way Zorkmind is subtly derailing the discussion by talking about less fun in this mafia thread makes me wonder if has a hidden motive. Zorkmid came up with the idea of lynching inactives and lurkers. That would work out greatly to his advantage if he were part of the mafia since it is more of an opportunity to blend, right? The more we accuse those of having a different opinion, the less of a suspect he seems to be. I am not the first to disagree with him. I am not the first to be accused because I disagreed with him. Notice how Zorkmid says he “will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit’s argument about his Zorkmind person.” Why so defensive, Zorkmid? Perhaps he is afraid of everyone discovering how he is desperately trying to divert attention away from himself. He’s doing a great job of it. I had my suspicions about him early on because he's not only quick to agree with the majority, but he is also quick to blame. I didn't quote any other of his posts, but to me, he acts quite suspicious in most of them. I've just learned that you should always beware of the person that is the first to agree with a scum read. If I were a mafia I'd be looking for the first opportunity to form a bandwagon against a known townie. Misfit was the first to point the finger at me, and I wanted everyone to wait and watch for the second Question for you Scheleosis......what's your plan to survive tomorrow? I'd say your only bet is to claim blue. ##Vote Scheleosis "If I were a mafia, I'd be looking for the first opportunity to form a bandwagon against a known townie." Uh, Zorkmid, isn't that exactly what you're doing? Wait, isn't that also what you did to Sandroba?? Take a look at the pattern you're creating. On April 15 2011 23:50 Zorkmid wrote:
Because of your slip, I no longer suspect Scholesis.
FoS sandroba
Why explain why your town play is bad and then cite a guide you read that explained it was bad? Exhibit A. There's a difference between explaining why bad play is bad, and explaining why good play is good.
I've noticed something else about you. You're fickle in your accusations. One minute you're accusing someone of this, and the next you're accusing someone of that. You keep looking for someone to blame. Misfit, Sandroba, Shcoleosis....who is next, Zorkmid? The only reason you are sticking by your argument is because everyone is on your side. You quickly shifted the blame to the next person when you found that no one was backing up your accusation. Lucky for you, you are not the only one suspicious of me. I guarantee you that is the only reason you are sticking by your vote against me. If no one backed you up on this, you would have immediately blamed the next person. To me, that screams nothing but scum....a scum desperately trying to fit in.
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He never accused misfit. Misfit accused him. Believe me, I've read every one of his posts.
I love the hypocrisy here. a few short posts ago, you defended your changing opinion with
I was looking at things from a different point of view in order to help all of us find out who is mafia scum. Then, after I thought about it, I changed my mind a little because I started to see the point. Since I am new to this game, I am trying my best to give my point of view
Then, when Zorkmid comes through and accuses you based off of what he sees, then changes his suspicions based off of new evidence (twice), you say that he's scum because he changes his mind a little.
I've noticed something else about you. You're fickle in your accusations. One minute you're accusing someone of this, and the next you're accusing someone of that... Misfit, Sandroba, Shcoleosis....who is next, Zorkmid?... To me, that screams nothing but scum....a scum desperately trying to fit in.
So, you change your mind, and you're not scum. He does the same, yet he is scum? "great" logic...
Despite this, Zorkmid still seems pretty suspicious. Not sure whether or not this is just two townies arguing or if one of you is actually scum. For now, I'll back down. To reiterate, I'm trying to force activity, not bandwagon the first guy who seems suspicious.
## Unvote Shcoleosis
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On April 16 2011 10:42 VarpuliS wrote:He never accused misfit. Misfit accused him. Believe me, I've read every one of his posts. I love the hypocrisy here. a few short posts ago, you defended your changing opinion with Show nested quote + I was looking at things from a different point of view in order to help all of us find out who is mafia scum. Then, after I thought about it, I changed my mind a little because I started to see the point. Since I am new to this game, I am trying my best to give my point of view Then, when Zorkmid comes through and accuses you based off of what he sees, then changes his suspicions based off of new evidence (twice), you say that he's scum because he changes his mind a little. Show nested quote +
I've noticed something else about you. You're fickle in your accusations. One minute you're accusing someone of this, and the next you're accusing someone of that... Misfit, Sandroba, Shcoleosis....who is next, Zorkmid?... To me, that screams nothing but scum....a scum desperately trying to fit in.
So, you change your mind, and you're not scum. He does the same, yet he is scum? "great" logic... Despite this, Zorkmid still seems pretty suspicious. Not sure whether or not this is just two townies arguing or if one of you is actually scum. For now, I'll back down. To reiterate, I'm trying to force activity, not bandwagon the first guy who seems suspicious. ## Unvote Shcoleosis
I'm only calling it like I see it. I changed my mind about how I believed the lynching should go, not about who I particularly thought was mafia scum.
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Just read the recent set of posts and Shcoleosis arguments. Although does she raise at least one point in her defense (i.e. she did not try to agree with what I was saying right away). Nevertheless, I am still a little suspicious of her trying to blend in (and then accusing Zorkmid of being mafia for the same reason).
Apart from her, I do also have some suspicions on Zorkmid who seems to be too finger happy at pointing at others. But, it is hard to say whether this is his usual forum personality or whether he trying to parry away any attention. Sadly, since it is mostly new people here, it is hard to get a read on someone on the basis of posting habits.
Btw, just so that people don't fly under the radar, senj and elmizzit haven't posted anything of substance yet in this thread.
I am going to head to bed now and will read any new arguments made tonight before posting my initial vote tomorrow am.
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On April 16 2011 10:52 Shcoleosis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 10:42 VarpuliS wrote:He never accused misfit. Misfit accused him. Believe me, I've read every one of his posts. I love the hypocrisy here. a few short posts ago, you defended your changing opinion with I was looking at things from a different point of view in order to help all of us find out who is mafia scum. Then, after I thought about it, I changed my mind a little because I started to see the point. Since I am new to this game, I am trying my best to give my point of view Then, when Zorkmid comes through and accuses you based off of what he sees, then changes his suspicions based off of new evidence (twice), you say that he's scum because he changes his mind a little.
I've noticed something else about you. You're fickle in your accusations. One minute you're accusing someone of this, and the next you're accusing someone of that... Misfit, Sandroba, Shcoleosis....who is next, Zorkmid?... To me, that screams nothing but scum....a scum desperately trying to fit in.
So, you change your mind, and you're not scum. He does the same, yet he is scum? "great" logic... Despite this, Zorkmid still seems pretty suspicious. Not sure whether or not this is just two townies arguing or if one of you is actually scum. For now, I'll back down. To reiterate, I'm trying to force activity, not bandwagon the first guy who seems suspicious. ## Unvote Shcoleosis I'm only calling it like I see it. I changed my mind about how I believed the lynching should go, not about who I particularly thought was mafia scum.
hmmm... interesting. Doesn't change the fact that it's hypocrisy, but I digress. I'm going to go to sleep, hopefully the thread doesn't explode while I'm sleeping
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Well elmizzit did post one of his analysis of sandroba earlier today. However, Senj has been MIA for a while now.
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On April 16 2011 10:59 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Btw, just so that people don't fly under the radar, senj and elmizzit haven't posted anything of substance yet in this thread.
People need to see this. I just checked, and he's right: neither of these two have posted anything useful. I don't want to lynch a potentially active townie in Zorkmid/Shcoleosis if we've still got lurkers to deal with.
g'night all!
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EBWOP: Ninja'd. I'm not counting the analysis of sandroba because it was just parroting what Zorkmid said.
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Shcoleosis is as good as anyone to lynch in my opinion. Id almost rather lynch him than a lurker.
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On April 16 2011 10:59 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Just read the recent set of posts and Shcoleosis arguments. Although does she raise at least one point in her defense (i.e. she did not try to agree with what I was saying right away). Nevertheless, I am still a little suspicious of her trying to blend in (and then accusing Zorkmid of being mafia for the same reason).
Apart from her, I do also have some suspicions on Zorkmid who seems to be too finger happy at pointing at others. But, it is hard to say whether this is his usual forum personality or whether he trying to parry away any attention. Sadly, since it is mostly new people here, it is hard to get a read on someone on the basis of posting habits.
Btw, just so that people don't fly under the radar, senj and elmizzit haven't posted anything of substance yet in this thread.
I am going to head to bed now and will read any new arguments made tonight before posting my initial vote tomorrow am.
Eh, everyone's a critic. I don't see how anyone wouldn't defend himself if he's being accused of all the wrong things. Besides, I would think blending in would call for a concession. I'm withholding my vote until I see some more action.
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23 hours and 46 minutes left till the end of day!
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I agree with the current lurkers, emlizzt and Senj need to post more.
emlizzt was quick to jump on Zorkmids weak accusations and want to lynch inactives, but had been quiet for a long time.
Senj is generally quiet, this can be seen as scummy in the case when Town accuse Town and do a good job of lynching themselves.
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I´m not convinced that Shcoleosis is a Mafia, actually I think it´s very unlikely because of how many jumped on the wagon to accuse him. At the moment it´s only emlizzt, senj, the lurkers, and me, who haven´t accused Shcoleosis at one time or other, that almost guarantees that Shcoleosis is Town because the Mafia are always quick to jump on the wagon against a Town, but slow to accuse their own if they can avoid it. If Shcoleosis is Mafia, then the other Mafia just threw him under the buss.
I´m going to go by my earlier suspicions, that Zorkmid is Mafia because of his random accusations and willingness to lynch for weak reasons. That his defence is to vote on the one the rest of Town wants to Lynch doesn´t speak in his favor IMO, he´s not defending, just shifting blame.
##Vote Zorkmid
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Well, I particularly think zorkmid is town because of the following:
Zorkmid analised me while I was posting analisys of scholeosis so if both zorkmid and scholeosis were mafia scholeosis wouldn't try to make him a supect. It only makes sense to me if zorkmid and scholeosis are both town or scholeosis is mafia and zorkmid is town. I'm going to follow my gut instinc that they are both town for now.If zorkmid is mafia and scholeosis is town zorkmid would know that and wouldn't mind lynching him so there was no need to pressure me.
There is no way they are both mafia as they wouldn't try to buss each other so early in the game. So I'm leaning towards zorkmid being town and I don't know for sure about scholeosis.
##Unvote
##Vote: Senj
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My analysis on different people at this point.
Senj
He has added nothing to discussion at this point and seems like a classic example of lurker. If I cannot find any strong candidates for being mafia by the end of the day, he will be my go-to vote to avoid killing an active townie.
Elmizzit
He has been barely more active than Senj. So, he has been lurking a bit too. Same analysis as Senj.
VarpuliS
He has been making reasonable posts and has been making good analysis so he seems like a townie to me.
Shcoleosis
I was suspicious of her due to low activity and trying to fit in. But, she seems to be more active now. I am still now confident that she is town but I don't get any strong vibes of her being mafia as well now.
Forumite
One thing I am confident is that if Forumite is mafia, Shcoleosis is mafia as well since he was only one who jumped to her defense. If Forumite was mafia and Scholeosis was not mafia, than it is unlikely that he will protect a townie as it seems a easy town lynch in that case. This clue doesn't have a bearing now but if it late game, if either of them do turn out to be mafia, then I would be very suspicious of the other.
Nevertheless, I cant find much scummy behavior from Forumite at this point.
Zorkmid
Zorkmid is suspicious of Shcoleosis to the point where he will lynch her before lurkers. It seems like an opposite relation of Forumite i.e. if one of the is mafia, then the other one is town. Some more thoughts in next post.
Sandroba
Not getting a strong scum/townie vibe from him. So he can be either.
Vain
He has posted multiple times throughout the thread. So, he is not as inactive as Senj/Elm, but he has not posted much of substance either. This seems a little suspicious again.
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On April 16 2011 10:03 Zorkmid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 09:51 Shcoleosis wrote:After reading this thread entirely, here's what I think on the matter: In my opinion, one of the first to accuse is usually the guilty one. Automatically everyone’s opinions are immediately placed under suspicion as the game progresses. That being the case, a mafia member wouldn’t express his opinions as eagerly as he would if he were agreeing with someone else’s. He would, however, be quick to blame, because doing so would divert attention away from himself. On April 15 2011 20:53 Zorkmid wrote:My FoS is on Shcoleosis as well for the same reasons, and will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit's argument about this Zorkmind person. On April 15 2011 20:06 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Also, I think the way Zorkmind is subtly derailing the discussion by talking about less fun in this mafia thread makes me wonder if has a hidden motive. Zorkmid came up with the idea of lynching inactives and lurkers. That would work out greatly to his advantage if he were part of the mafia since it is more of an opportunity to blend, right? The more we accuse those of having a different opinion, the less of a suspect he seems to be. I am not the first to disagree with him. I am not the first to be accused because I disagreed with him. Notice how Zorkmid says he “will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit’s argument about his Zorkmind person.” Why so defensive, Zorkmid? Perhaps he is afraid of everyone discovering how he is desperately trying to divert attention away from himself. He’s doing a great job of it. I had my suspicions about him early on because he's not only quick to agree with the majority, but he is also quick to blame. I didn't quote any other of his posts, but to me, he acts quite suspicious in most of them. I've just learned that you should always beware of the person that is the first to agree with a scum read. If I were a mafia I'd be looking for the first opportunity to form a bandwagon against a known townie. Misfit was the first to point the finger at me, and I wanted everyone to wait and watch for the second Question for you Scheleosis......what's your plan to survive tomorrow? I'd say your only bet is to claim blue.##Vote Scheleosis
The bolded part makes me highly suspicious that Zorkmid is scum. There are multiple people who think that it is likely that Shcoleosis is scum. But none of them are strongly confident about it as there is no concrete evidence of her being mafia apart from a few scum looking posts. However, Zorkmid is so confident that Shcoleosis is mafia that he is taunting her with that statement.
This seems quite scummy to be me as if Zork was mafia, he would know Shcoleosis is mafia or not and thus can make strong statements like this. This by itself can even suggest that Zorkmid is just an aggressive poster so is not sufficient by itself to give a strong mafia read.
The second part of his statement is what gives a strong mafia read. He has been posting multiple times that he is reading guides/following other mafia threads. However, I doubt that claiming blue is suggested as a good idea anywhere on Day 1. It almost seems like Zork is trying to fish out whether Shcoleosis is blue or not which seems scum-like to me.
I am going to tentatively post for Zorkmid until I hear his point of view.
b]##Vote Zorkmid[/b]
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I will most probably not get online from about an hour to the end of the night. The next day-phase is during the week, I´ll have much more time then to get to the bottom of this then. I don´t have much advice to give in case I get night-killed, but I´ve a few things to add, mostly to identify Sheep/Lurkers.
I´ve been tunneling on the Zorkmid and elmizzt connection, both of them calling me scum for not posting during the start of the first day, when I was asleep and had informed people of this beforehand. I have the feeling that Zorkmid was the talkative Mafia, elmizzt the quiet one. Elmizzt hasn´t really said anything except agreeing with lynching inactives and agreeing with a weird post with weak arguments from Zorkmid.
I get a bit of bad wibes from Vain, not because he´s a slow poster, but because I don´t see him posting his own reasons for jumping on the wagon against Shcoleosis. It didn´t take long for people to start voting once the first vote was in. Zork and Sandroba voted quickly, but they had allready stated they had FoS on Shcoleosis, while Vains voting felt more like he was just agreeing rather than making up his own mind. I´d like to see some more reasons from him.
Senj is also very slow on posting, not saying anything except encouraging analysis.
So Lurkers:
Senj
Vain
elmizzt (with possible Zorkmid connection)
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Do we have a current votes counter?
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I think it is:
Scholeosis : 2 (Zorkmid, Vain)
Zorkmid : 2 (Eternalmisfit, Forumite)
Senj : 1 (Sandroba)
Varpulis, elmizzit, scholeosis and Senj have still to cast vote. (Varpulis voted and then unvoted Shcoleosis)
Mod: If someone doesn't vote, do they get modkilled?
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Offline for the night, good luck with the lynching.
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Alright, I'm awake now. I guess I should vote, to avoid the modkill. IMO, both Scholeosis and Zorkmid might be scum, but both have been fairly active, so I'd much rather lynch a lurker.
My vote goes to Elmizzt, because not only has he not contributed anything meaningful, he also pretended to contribute by parroting one of Zorkmid's bullshit analyses about how sandroba and forumite are both mafia because forumite was afk and sandroba defended him.
I urge the people currently voting for active players to switch their votes to the lurkers, so that at least we can pressure them into activity.
##Vote: Elmizzt
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On April 16 2011 22:11 Forumite wrote:
I will most probably not get online from about an hour to the end of the night. The next day-phase is during the week, I´ll have much more time then to get to the bottom of this then. I don´t have much advice to give in case I get night-killed, but I´ve a few things to add, mostly to identify Sheep/Lurkers.
I´ve been tunneling on the Zorkmid and elmizzt connection, both of them calling me scum for not posting during the start of the first day, when I was asleep and had informed people of this beforehand. I have the feeling that Zorkmid was the talkative Mafia, elmizzt the quiet one. Elmizzt hasn´t really said anything except agreeing with lynching inactives and agreeing with a weird post with weak arguments from Zorkmid.
I get a bit of bad wibes from Vain, not because he´s a slow poster, but because I don´t see him posting his own reasons for jumping on the wagon against Shcoleosis. It didn´t take long for people to start voting once the first vote was in. Zork and Sandroba voted quickly, but they had allready stated they had FoS on Shcoleosis, while Vains voting felt more like he was just agreeing rather than making up his own mind. I´d like to see some more reasons from him.
Senj is also very slow on posting, not saying anything except encouraging analysis.
So Lurkers:
Senj
Vain
elmizzt (with possible Zorkmid connection)
Hmm, the reason i voted for shcoleosis is that in my opinion her behaviour was very scummy like( switching sides, saying things like first time playing guys). Witch was pointed out earlyer by the other players before me. She did not post again untill after i voted for her. I may note that the posts after that were not so much scum behaviour, but i am still not really convinced we have a better alternative. Although zorkmid could be suspected due to throwing accusations out like there is no tomorrow, which could be his strategy but is drawing attention to him and would be very risky if he were to be scum. Nevertheless zorkmid would be my number two but only to him being profoundly accusing. I haven't really looked in the accusations of the others too much but i'll try to post an analysis of them later on.
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On April 17 2011 00:17 VarpuliS wrote:
Alright, I'm awake now. I guess I should vote, to avoid the modkill. IMO, both Scholeosis and Zorkmid might be scum, but both have been fairly active, so I'd much rather lynch a lurker.
##Vote: Elmizzt
I guess I can follow your logic here. Though I still suspicious of Zorkmid, I would rather vote a lurker than risk of voting off a active townie by chance.
##Unvote
##Vote: Elmizzit
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Just checked, and Senj has a grand total of three posts, none of which have very much content, if any. His posts are:
+ Show Spoiler [post 1] +On April 15 2011 11:18 Senj wrote:
GL HF broskis. Not sure I agree Eternalmisfit, seeing as we're all relatively new to the mafia game. This is in response to Eternalmisfit's suggestion that we lynch an inactive. He says, in effect, we're all new, so lynching inactives is bad. Not only does this make no sense, but it nicely defends any scum that are just lurking. Either bad townie play or scum.
+ Show Spoiler [post 2] +On April 15 2011 12:41 Senj wrote:
Yeah, basically. I guess that's kind of the idea of keeping the thread active though, more posts mean more chances to slip up and divulge too much information.
Somewhat unrelated, but I just broke a 9 game lose streak. :D huuuuuge relief there. Now comes a 180, wherein he agrees with the majority who are in favor of an inactive lynch and then gives a valid reason why. This would be good town play, except that since then, he has made a grand total of 1 post. Seems a bit suspicious.
+ Show Spoiler [post 3] +On April 15 2011 12:54 Senj wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 12:52 elmizzt wrote:On April 15 2011 12:49 Zorkmid wrote:I for one am going to vote that we lynch the quiet most innocent seeming player I might even do a character count! hmmm...how long until we can start eye-ing some of the inactive players and leaning on em a little? I'm already taking note that we have yet to see Forumite, Vain and Varpulis, however; I feel it's a little early yet. By the halfway mark on the first day I'll be suspicious if we haven't heard from them yet. This is a low content post. Here, he's noting the players who have yet to speak, (two of whom posted before the game began that they would be inactive early on due to IRL reasons) All that this post says is, "they haven't contributed yet, if they don't contribute soon, I'll be suspicious." This is saying something without actually saying something. It's a false contribution, and it indicates scum to me.
##Unvote: Elmizzt
##Vote: Senj
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On April 16 2011 22:31 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Mod: If someone doesn't vote, do they get modkilled?
Yes they do get modkilled
shcoleosis: 2
Vain
Zorkmid
Zorkmid: 1
Forumite
Senj: 2
sandroba
Varpulis
elmizzit: 1
Eternalmisfit
shcoleosis to be lynched on account of getting to 2 votes first
People who haven't voted yet: Shcoleosis, elmizzit, senj
10 hours and 25 minutes remaining till the end of day
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Eternalmisfit: I suggest changing your vote to Senj. This will prevent Shcoleosis and Zorkmid from being lynched, and put some real pressure on the lurker.
scenario 1: Senj/Elmizzt comes back, votes Shcoleosis, Shcoleosis gets lynched. BAD
scenario 2: Shcoleosis gets back first, votes Zorkmid, and Zorkmid gets lynched. BAD
scenario 3: With your vote on Senj, Zorkmid and Shcoleosis both need 2 more votes against them to be lynched, which is unlikely unless the mafia bandwagons, which will give us information about who the mafia is. GOOD
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On April 17 2011 00:46 VarpuliS wrote:
Eternalmisfit: I suggest changing your vote to Senj. This will prevent Shcoleosis and Zorkmid from being lynched, and put some real pressure on the lurker.
scenario 1: Senj/Elmizzt comes back, votes Shcoleosis, Shcoleosis gets lynched. BAD
scenario 2: Shcoleosis gets back first, votes Zorkmid, and Zorkmid gets lynched. BAD
scenario 3: With your vote on Senj, Zorkmid and Shcoleosis both need 2 more votes against them to be lynched, which is unlikely unless the mafia bandwagons, which will give us information about who the mafia is. GOOD
EBWOP: It seems that Zorkmid is not in danger after all, after a ninja edit by Chaoser. I'd still like another vote on Senj though, to prevent a lynch on Sholeosis, who's as likely to be town as not, and is at least contributing.
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Varpulis: I plan to be active all day and will change my vote later according to the situation. I am just keeping one vote on elmizzit so that he doesn't think it is safe to not post.
Also, I would prefer that someone who is being modkilled anyone be lycnhed. Since the first day is a crapshoot for the most, it is better to lynch someone being modkilled anyways.
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Alright, I see your point. As the deadline approaches we'll see who starts talking/voting and who gets themselves modkilled, then we can make a more informed decision.
@mods: If the person with the most votes gets modkilled, do they still get lynched or does the person with the second highest amount of votes get lynched?
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On April 17 2011 01:26 VarpuliS wrote:
@mods: If the person with the most votes gets modkilled, do they still get lynched or does the person with the second highest amount of votes get lynched?
They still get lynched. The determination for modkill, however, isn't done until the end of day so if they come in with a minute left to the day and drop a vote, they won't be modkilled.
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Great! So if we determine that somebody is likely to be modkilled for not voting, we can lynch them and avoid losing more townies day 1 to mislynch. If they're barely avoiding the modkill, they're not being active/helpful anyways, so they're a good lynch target anyways.
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Not going to be on much today--It's a Saturday and I've things to do. It looks like I'm about to get lynched, and over the weakest of false reasons. I think my previous posts indicate why I would vote for Zorkmid. However, if Zorkmid, much to my dismay, ends up being anything other than scum, the pressure's going to automatically be on me. I've already had to defend my position as townie once.
Basically I'm doing this to save my ass.
##Vote: Senj
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On April 17 2011 00:46 VarpuliS wrote:
Eternalmisfit: I suggest changing your vote to Senj. This will prevent Shcoleosis and Zorkmid from being lynched, and put some real pressure on the lurker.
scenario 1: Senj/Elmizzt comes back, votes Shcoleosis, Shcoleosis gets lynched. BAD
scenario 2: Shcoleosis gets back first, votes Zorkmid, and Zorkmid gets lynched. BAD
scenario 3: With your vote on Senj, Zorkmid and Shcoleosis both need 2 more votes against them to be lynched, which is unlikely unless the mafia bandwagons, which will give us information about who the mafia is. GOOD
I follow this logic, and most of what I have tried to do so far is get to everyone talking.
So the "lurker" we're all talking about is Senj? I'm changing my vote in the hopes that Senj comes back and we can get a better read on him.
#unvote
##vote Senj
I'm going to post my analysis of each player soon. Stay tuned.
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Senj
He has added nothing to discussion at this point and seems like a classic example of lurker. If I cannot find any strong candidates for being mafia by the end of the day, he will be my go-to vote to avoid killing an active townie. (stolen from Misfit)
Unless something changes, this is my vote for day 1
Elmizzit (this guy has got me confused.)
On April 15 2011 23:03 Zorkmid wrote:
Show nested quote +
I'm suspicious that this means that sandroba is scum, and knows that that his scum buddy is going to be inactive.
This points to Forumrite.
Show nested quote +
It doesn't matter that he posted this before he was even PM'ed.....if my assumption about sandroba holds true, than he has already revealed he AND Forumrite.
How do you plead?
This seemed retarded at first, but the more I think about it, the more it makes sense....
It seems too convenient that forumite is afk at the start and that sandroba would make that statement.
Plus, my gut tells me that the first person who breaks and makes an outright accusation is suspicious, and that was Sandroba as well.
I'm a bit suspicious of this, he seems the only one to have outright agreed with my very first observation that Shcoleosis was scum, and therefore Forumite (inactive at that point) was too.
Also, the post I quoted is his only post of substance. The rest were about trying to get inactives to talk (when he is very inactive himself). To me this could indicate either that he feels there isn't much to be said at this point, or that he doesn't want to slip up.
VarpuliS
He has been pressuring lurkers, as I have been. I feel like this is strong town play. Also, he has prodded other players to share their ideas. To me, he is doing as good a job as I am to get as many posts out there as possible for analysis, and this to me indicates strong town play.
Shcoleosis FoS
I'm very suspicious of this player. She has been the first person to echo several ideas of other players....
Example
On April 15 2011 11:12 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Btw I think we should lynch people who are inactive or lurking the boards as it is more likely that they are trying to stay under and radar and avoid suspicion on themselves by barely posting at all.
Yeah, that seem logical. We don't want to kill innocent townies, though...It's the mafia we want gone! I highly doubt any mafia would be lurking or inactive when they have chances to kill. But who am I to say...I'm still learning :/
I also find it very scummy that when eyes are on her, she reminds us that she's new to the game, as if that had anything to do with anything.
Forumite
I initially cast suspicion on this player because he seemed to be one of the inactives I perceived Shcoleosis to be protecting.
Over time I have I grown to feel he is a townie, he has done what myself and Varpulis have done, pressuring lurkers and trying to get the posts flowing.
I have also felt that he has made too many references that try identify who the lurkers are, to me it just came off as trying to lynch a certain inactive that he may is a townie.
Sandroba
Has posted some pretty good analytical thoughts, has seemed very pro town.
There is one mistake he made early on that I just simply cannot get past. And in the wake of what he has posted since, I just can't wrap my head around. I could be nothing, but I think everyone needs to see these two consecutive posts.
1. In response to my first idea that sandroba is scum because he knows that forumite was gonna be inactive and was trying to protect him.
That makes no kind of sense whatsoever. How is me saying losing townies is a bad thing makes me scum? I'm obviously town. The idea of lynching inactives is really just to make sure everyone post enough so we can get a read on them.
Also attacking the one doing analisys on you is not good town play. That's called OMGUS from what I've read. If you really are town then you should either defend yourself or make a case of someone you think is scum (a decent one, not the nonsencical one you've posted) so you can actually help town.
I also have no connection with forumite and I fail to see how you could possibly have drawn this conclusion. And to say it doesn't matter if he posted that before or after he got PM'ed is just LOL.
You are looking more and more like scum to me.
Whoa, I thought that was scholeosis posting that, and I was thinking we had a clear scum for day 1 lynch. Besides the analisys part, since I haven't done one on you, my point still stands. I don't think you are scum though, since you are actually trying to do analises, although not a good one.
I don't know exactly what it means that he has a TOTALLY different idea about a post depending on who posted it, but it's weird.
Vain
Hmm, the reason i voted for shcoleosis is that in my opinion her behaviour was very scummy like( switching sides, saying things like first time playing guys). Witch was pointed out earlyer by the other players before me. She did not post again untill after i voted for her. I may note that the posts after that were not so much scum behaviour, but i am still not really convinced we have a better alternative. Although zorkmid could be suspected due to throwing accusations out like there is no tomorrow, which could be his strategy but is drawing attention to him and would be very risky if he were to be scum. Nevertheless zorkmid would be my number two but only to him being profoundly accusing. I haven't really looked in the accusations of the others too much but i'll try to post an analysis of them later on.
Ok, so my logic for thinking Vain is a Townie is a bit convoluted, but here goes:
I don't think that a mafioso would want to be perceived to suspect two people on opposite sides of the argument between Shcoleosis and myself. I think that Shcoleosis is scum, and I think that if Vain was scum he would be on one side or the other, defending me OR Shcoleosis. Not both of us.
EternalMisfit
Every post I have seen of his, has been thoughtful conversation starting analysis. I think that he has used his voting to spark even more conversation. We'll see how it goes in these last ~10 hours, but I think this mofo is town.
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OK. Here are my thoughts for scum:
I think Sandroba has some qualities that are pretty suspicious.
In his posting, here are the aspects I find to be suspicious:
First, he keeps referencing material that he has read outside of the game:
That's called OMGUS from what I've read.
Zorkmid chainsaw defense of scholeosis seems suspicous aswell, but if it is indeed a chainsaw defense then pressuring scholeosis should be able to reveal them both.
To me, this screams someone who read a mafia wiki page or something and is leaning on these terms and outside information as a source of authority. He can sound much more confident and harder to attack by dropping these even without a leg to stand on.
Second, he keeps talking from the point of view of a mafia, which I feel is a slip as well:
is the situation too confortable that the scum can sit back and realx?
this debate of me zorkmid and forumite throwing suspicion against each other is getting too confortable for the mafia
This one especially, in response to zorkmid's accusation:
Also attacking the one doing analisys on you is not good town play
I feel like this is a huge slip, as he's speaking as though he knows that the person he is responding to is town.
Couple other things that are suspicious, his argument rebuttles are always just fluff and dismissal:
I'm obviously town.
And to say it doesn't matter if he posted that before or after he got PM'ed is just LOL
make a case of someone you think is scum (a decent one, not the nonsencical one you've posted)
This makes it easy to shut down opinions quickly and that attitude makes it extremely hard to respond. Basically I feel like sandroba has been screaming for more analysis and more posts, but whenever anyone posts arguments, he tries to shut them down quickly or dismiss them as a joke.
However, Senj having seemingly disappeared makes me a little leery as well...I'm leaning more towards voting Senj at the moment.
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Elmizzt: Make sure you vote before the deadline. The last thing we need is a modkill.
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On April 17 2011 04:10 VarpuliS wrote:
Elmizzt: Make sure you vote before the deadline. The last thing we need is a modkill.
I will be sure to, thanks
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No show for Senj yet. And Elmizzt did make few posts. So, I guess I will follow Varpulis' advice and vote for Senj as well.
I find it ironic that in one of his initial post, he said that he will be very suspicious is someone didn't post a during the course of the day.
## Unvote
## Vote : Senj
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I was hoping people would want to discuss a bit more, but it's getting close to that time!
## Vote : Senj
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And now but a single person has yet to vote. Hey Senj, we'd love to hear what you've got to say.
If you're not going to do it for us, do it for yourself, because you're lined up for a lynch and a modkill both at this point.
About now I'm starting to think about what we'll do next. Expect a post within the next few hours about where things stand, suspects wise.
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EBWOP: by "suspects wise" I mean who's suspecting who, and why.
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shcoleosis: 1
Vain
Zorkmid: 1
Forumite
Senj: 6
sandroba
Varpulis
shcoleosis
Zorkmid
Eternalmisfit
elmizzt
Senj to be lynched at 6 votes
Day ends in 1 hour 33 minutes
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Well, there it goes. In a few minutes senj will be no more. If he flips over and turns out to be red i'm gonna eat my hat, Serously
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Night 1
With the troubling events of the morning center page in both the newspapers and their minds, every citizen in town was called to the town square in order to deliberate on what was to be done about the situation. Heated arguments were had and harsh words were spoken. Before they knew it, the sun was starting to set and a thick fog rolled in, covering everything in its grasps. With nervous glances all about, the town turned its suspicions onto Senj and it was decided that he was to be lynched. Placing the hanging noose around his neck, the town asked him if he had any last words. But just as he had acted during the day, he acted now and not a single word was spoken. Instead he merely stared straight ahead, as if at something no one else could see, his face as stoic as a stone wall. The noose tight around his neck, his legs dropped out from under him as the trap door opened and his neck snapped in two. Blood flowed out of his mouth as the town realized they had chosen wrong. But the wrong could not be righted and with visibility growing low, they all headed home for the night, hoping that the next day would bring about better news.
Senj the Townie is dead.
Day 2 begins in 24 hours, please get your actions into both me and GMarshal by Sunday 10PM EST.
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I just want to remind everyone that DoctorHelvetica is around as well as a few other people as support if you guys need some one to bounce ideas.
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On April 17 2011 11:01 chaoser wrote:
Senj the Townie is dead.
No surprise there, see you tomorrow.
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It is not too surprising that he flipped out town. It is sad to lose a townie but then again he was going to be mod-killed anyways. Here's to hoping that we have everyone active and can do a better jobs on figuring out mafia in the next day cycle.
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I just want to take this moment and mourn for our departed senj, who turned out to be a town. This death will have an huge impact on us and the game. The rest of this post i will dedicate to our beloved senj. Think of all the moments he was with us and the time we spent together. I still remember the first time i saw him.
On April 15 2011 11:18 Senj wrote:
GL HF broskis. Not sure I agree Eternalmisfit, seeing as we're all relatively new to the mafia game.
He was never much of a talker, but he always told me he tried so hard to change..
On April 15 2011 12:41 Senj wrote:
Yeah, basically. I guess that's kind of the idea of keeping the thread active though, more posts mean more chances to slip up and divulge too much information.
Somewhat unrelated, but I just broke a 9 game lose streak. :D huuuuuge relief there.
Sadly, he fell back in his old behaviour and he spoke to the public only one more time
On April 15 2011 12:54 Senj wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 12:52 elmizzt wrote:On April 15 2011 12:49 Zorkmid wrote:I for one am going to vote that we lynch the quiet most innocent seeming player I might even do a character count! hmmm...how long until we can start eye-ing some of the inactive players and leaning on em a little? I'm already taking note that we have yet to see Forumite, Vain and Varpulis, however; I feel it's a little early yet. By the halfway mark on the first day I'll be suspicious if we haven't heard from them yet.
After that it was only a matter of time until dark clouds rose above his head. Maybe he wanted to talk but couldn't find a way to express himself. Maybe he searched for words but could never find them. Maybe something else, but we will never know now because our beloved senj is dead
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P.s. This also means no hat-eating will be done tonight!
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On April 17 2011 11:17 Vain wrote:I just want to take this moment and mourn for our departed senj, who turned out to be a town. This death will have an huge impact on us and the game. The rest of this post i will dedicate to our beloved senj. Think of all the moments he was with us and the time we spent together. I still remember the first time i saw him. Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 11:18 Senj wrote:
GL HF broskis. Not sure I agree Eternalmisfit, seeing as we're all relatively new to the mafia game. He was never much of a talker, but he always told me he tried so hard to change.. Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 12:41 Senj wrote:
Yeah, basically. I guess that's kind of the idea of keeping the thread active though, more posts mean more chances to slip up and divulge too much information.
Somewhat unrelated, but I just broke a 9 game lose streak. :D huuuuuge relief there. Sadly, he fell back in his old behaviour and he spoke to the public only one more time Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 12:54 Senj wrote:On April 15 2011 12:52 elmizzt wrote:On April 15 2011 12:49 Zorkmid wrote:I for one am going to vote that we lynch the quiet most innocent seeming player I might even do a character count! hmmm...how long until we can start eye-ing some of the inactive players and leaning on em a little? I'm already taking note that we have yet to see Forumite, Vain and Varpulis, however; I feel it's a little early yet. By the halfway mark on the first day I'll be suspicious if we haven't heard from them yet. After that it was only a matter of time until dark clouds rose above his head. Maybe he wanted to talk but couldn't find a way to express himself. Maybe he searched for words but could never find them. Maybe something else, but we will never know now because our beloved senj is dead
Hahahahaha a fitting tribute. R.I.P.
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Remember to PM night actions to BOTH chaoser and myself
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As promised, here is my post on the situation so far. Who has been accusing who? What are their reasons? Read on to find out.
Forumite
+ Show Spoiler +The only player suspicious of Forumite is Zorkmid, who noted his his post pre-game stating that he would not post much day 1 and saw it as a scumtell. On April 15 2011 23:03 Zorkmid wrote:This points to Forumrite. Show nested quote +Unfortunately I´m going to post slowly during the first day-phace, lots of things happening this weekend, but it should pick up next week. It doesn't matter that he posted this before he was even PM'ed.....if my assumption about sandroba holds true, than he has already revealed he AND Forumrite. How do you plead? Later on, Zorkmid realizes that this is ridiculous, and believes him to be a townie. Forumite
I initially cast suspicion on this player because he seemed to be one of the inactives I perceived Shcoleosis to be protecting.
Over time I have I grown to feel he is a townie, he has done what myself and Varpulis have done, pressuring lurkers and trying to get the posts flowing.
I have also felt that he has made too many references that try identify who the lurkers are, to me it just came off as trying to lynch a certain inactive that he may is a townie.
Eternalmisfit is unsure about Forumite's alignment, but has found a possible connection with Shcoleosis. Forumite
One thing I am confident is that if Forumite is mafia, Shcoleosis is mafia as well since he was only one who jumped to her defense. If Forumite was mafia and Scholeosis was not mafia, than it is unlikely that he will protect a townie as it seems a easy town lynch in that case. This clue doesn't have a bearing now but if it late game, if either of them do turn out to be mafia, then I would be very suspicious of the other.
Nevertheless, I cant find much scummy behavior from Forumite at this point.
VarpuliS
+ Show Spoiler +Multiple people note me as a lurker early day 1, despite my pregame post explaining the absence. I'm going to ignore them, because I can. Sandroba did claim that a post I made was scummy, and I'll quote his post here to prove that I'm not just ignoring any criticism of myself. On April 16 2011 07:33 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 07:10 VarpuliS wrote:
As it stands it's unlikely we can identify mafia day one. I think we should lynch a lurker day 1 and see who the mafia kills night 1 before trying any hardcore analysis. I've got no problem with the analysis that's been going on atm though, so keep it up guys!
I just looked though the thread, and pretty much 100% of Eternalmisfit's posts have been pushing for an inactive lynch day 1. He'd like to get everybody talking, but has yet to contribute in a meaningful way. If we're gonna lynch a lurker, it should either be him or Senj, who has been lurking since the beginning of the game, save a few posts about inactives. This is pretty contradictory. And you conviniently forgot about scholeosis who has 2 post of utter nothingness and scumtells. Senj really hasn't shown up much to give us his insight. Eternalmisfit seems to like me. Yay. VarpuliS
He has been making reasonable posts and has been making good analysis so he seems like a townie to me. So does Zorkmid. VarpuliS
He has been pressuring lurkers, as I have been. I feel like this is strong town play. Also, he has prodded other players to share their ideas. To me, he is doing as good a job as I am to get as many posts out there as possible for analysis, and this to me indicates strong town play.
Elmizzt
Note- Many players have been calling him Elmizzit. please stop, it makes my job harder.
+ Show Spoiler +Forumite suspects that Elmizzt is a lurking mafia working with Zorkmid in this post: On April 16 2011 22:11 Forumite wrote:
II´ve been tunneling on the Zorkmid and elmizzt connection, both of them calling me scum for not posting during the start of the first day, when I was asleep and had informed people of this beforehand. I have the feeling that Zorkmid was the talkative Mafia, elmizzt the quiet one. Elmizzt hasn´t really said anything except agreeing with lynching inactives and agreeing with a weird post with weak arguments from Zorkmid.
At one point, I notice that he's been lurking and put a vote on him. On April 17 2011 00:17 VarpuliS wrote:
My vote goes to Elmizzt, because not only has he not contributed anything meaningful, he also pretended to contribute by parroting one of Zorkmid's bullshit analyses about how sandroba and forumite are both mafia because forumite was afk and sandroba defended him.
##Vote: Elmizzt As of now, he seems less scummy to me than a couple others, my vote was mainly to pressure him out of lurking. Eternalmisfit picked up on his lurking a while back, and posted the following in his general analysis post: Elmizzit
He has been barely more active than Senj. So, he has been lurking a bit too. Same analysis as Senj. In his general analysis post, Zorkmid also expresses suspicion about Elmizzt Elmizzit (this guy has got me confused.) Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 23:03 Zorkmid wrote:
Show nested quote +
I'm suspicious that this means that sandroba is scum, and knows that that his scum buddy is going to be inactive.
This points to Forumrite.
Show nested quote +
It doesn't matter that he posted this before he was even PM'ed.....if my assumption about sandroba holds true, than he has already revealed he AND Forumrite.
How do you plead? This seemed retarded at first, but the more I think about it, the more it makes sense.... It seems too convenient that forumite is afk at the start and that sandroba would make that statement. Plus, my gut tells me that the first person who breaks and makes an outright accusation is suspicious, and that was Sandroba as well. I'm a bit suspicious of this, he seems the only one to have outright agreed with my very first observation that Shcoleosis was scum, and therefore Forumite (inactive at that point) was too. Also, the post I quoted is his only post of substance. The rest were about trying to get inactives to talk (when he is very inactive himself). To me this could indicate either that he feels there isn't much to be said at this point, or that he doesn't want to slip up. To be fair, both Eternalmisfit and Zorkmid posted these analyses before Elmizzt made his post analyzing Sandroba, so he hasn't been lurking 100%, as these two posts would lead you to believe.
Senj
+ Show Spoiler +Senj has been really inactive, and is about to be has been both lynched. The first to notice/bring up his activity was Zorkmid. On April 16 2011 03:59 Zorkmid wrote:
I'm all up for scumhunting, and will defend myself at any point that I think it's necessary. Let's hear from the lurkers!
VarpuliS
Senj
Vain
Penny for your thoughts? Forumite agrees with this in posts that i'm not going to quote here for the sake of keeping this post under a page long. So does Sandroba, it seems (he votes for him randomly in a post about Zorkmid and Shcoleosis) So do I. I vote for him. everybody else bandwagons in the following order: On April 17 2011 01:44 Shcoleosis wrote:
##Vote: Senj On April 17 2011 02:09 Zorkmid wrote:
##vote Senj On April 17 2011 08:05 Eternalmisfit wrote:
## Unvote
## Vote : Senj On April 17 2011 08:24 elmizzt wrote:
I was hoping people would want to discuss a bit more, but it's getting close to that time!
## Vote : Senj For good measure, here are Eternalmisfit's and Zorkmid's analyses of Senj, respectively. On April 16 2011 21:36 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Senj
He has added nothing to discussion at this point and seems like a classic example of lurker. If I cannot find any strong candidates for being mafia by the end of the day, he will be my go-to vote to avoid killing an active townie. On April 17 2011 02:49 Zorkmid wrote:
Senj
He has added nothing to discussion at this point and seems like a classic example of lurker. If I cannot find any strong candidates for being mafia by the end of the day, he will be my go-to vote to avoid killing an active townie. (stolen from Misfit)
Unless something changes, this is my vote for day 1
sandroba
+ Show Spoiler +Once again, Zorkmid is the first to point the FoS at sandroba. On April 15 2011 23:03 Zorkmid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 20:52 sandroba wrote:On April 15 2011 11:27 Zorkmid wrote:On April 15 2011 11:12 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Btw I think we should lynch people who are inactive or lurking the boards as it is more likely that they are trying to stay under and radar and avoid suspicion on themselves by barely posting at all. I concur with this, there sure isn't any harm in losing inactive townies OR scum! GLHF! There is a lot of harm in losing any kind of townies. I'm suspicious that this means that sandroba is scum, and knows that that his scum buddy is going to be inactive. Elmizzt agrees with Zorkmid. On April 16 2011 02:34 elmizzt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 23:03 Zorkmid wrote:On April 15 2011 20:52 sandroba wrote:On April 15 2011 11:27 Zorkmid wrote:On April 15 2011 11:12 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Btw I think we should lynch people who are inactive or lurking the boards as it is more likely that they are trying to stay under and radar and avoid suspicion on themselves by barely posting at all. I concur with this, there sure isn't any harm in losing inactive townies OR scum! GLHF! There is a lot of harm in losing any kind of townies. I'm suspicious that this means that sandroba is scum, and knows that that his scum buddy is going to be inactive. This points to Forumrite. Unfortunately I´m going to post slowly during the first day-phace, lots of things happening this weekend, but it should pick up next week. It doesn't matter that he posted this before he was even PM'ed.....if my assumption about sandroba holds true, than he has already revealed he AND Forumrite. How do you plead? This seemed retarded at first, but the more I think about it, the more it makes sense.... It seems too convenient that forumite is afk at the start and that sandroba would make that statement. Plus, my gut tells me that the first person who breaks and makes an outright accusation is suspicious, and that was Sandroba as well. Forumite disagrees. A good while later on, Elmizzt posts an analysis of sandroba, calling him scum + Show Spoiler [Elmizzt's analysis] +On April 17 2011 03:37 elmizzt wrote:OK. Here are my thoughts for scum: I think Sandroba has some qualities that are pretty suspicious. In his posting, here are the aspects I find to be suspicious: First, he keeps referencing material that he has read outside of the game: Show nested quote +Zorkmid chainsaw defense of scholeosis seems suspicous aswell, but if it is indeed a chainsaw defense then pressuring scholeosis should be able to reveal them both. To me, this screams someone who read a mafia wiki page or something and is leaning on these terms and outside information as a source of authority. He can sound much more confident and harder to attack by dropping these even without a leg to stand on.
Second, he keeps talking from the point of view of a mafia, which I feel is a slip as well: Show nested quote +this debate of me zorkmid and forumite throwing suspicion against each other is getting too confortable for the mafia This one especially, in response to zorkmid's accusation: I feel like this is a huge slip, as he's speaking as though he knows that the person he is responding to is town.
Couple other things that are suspicious, his argument rebuttles are always just fluff and dismissal: Show nested quote +And to say it doesn't matter if he posted that before or after he got PM'ed is just LOL Show nested quote +make a case of someone you think is scum (a decent one, not the nonsencical one you've posted) This makes it easy to shut down opinions quickly and that attitude makes it extremely hard to respond. Basically I feel like sandroba has been screaming for more analysis and more posts, but whenever anyone posts arguments, he tries to shut them down quickly or dismiss them as a joke. Finally, as usual, Eternalmisfit's and Zorkmid's analyses. On April 16 2011 21:36 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Sandroba
Not getting a strong scum/townie vibe from him. So he can be either. On April 17 2011 02:49 Zorkmid wrote:Sandroba+ Show Spoiler [analysis] +Has posted some pretty good analytical thoughts, has seemed very pro town. There is one mistake he made early on that I just simply cannot get past. And in the wake of what he has posted since, I just can't wrap my head around. I could be nothing, but I think everyone needs to see these two consecutive posts. 1. In response to my first idea that sandroba is scum because he knows that forumite was gonna be inactive and was trying to protect him. That makes no kind of sense whatsoever. How is me saying losing townies is a bad thing makes me scum? I'm obviously town. The idea of lynching inactives is really just to make sure everyone post enough so we can get a read on them.
Also attacking the one doing analisys on you is not good town play. That's called OMGUS from what I've read. If you really are town then you should either defend yourself or make a case of someone you think is scum (a decent one, not the nonsencical one you've posted) so you can actually help town.
I also have no connection with forumite and I fail to see how you could possibly have drawn this conclusion. And to say it doesn't matter if he posted that before or after he got PM'ed is just LOL.
You are looking more and more like scum to me. Whoa, I thought that was scholeosis posting that, and I was thinking we had a clear scum for day 1 lynch. Besides the analisys part, since I haven't done one on you, my point still stands. I don't think you are scum though, since you are actually trying to do analises, although not a good one. I don't know exactly what it means that he has a TOTALLY different idea about a post depending on who posted it, but it's weird.
Zorkmid
+ Show Spoiler +In response to Zorkmid's accusation against him, Forumite post the following: On April 16 2011 02:54 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 23:03 Zorkmid wrote:This points to Forumrite. Unfortunately I´m going to post slowly during the first day-phace, lots of things happening this weekend, but it should pick up next week. It doesn't matter that he posted this before he was even PM'ed.....if my assumption about sandroba holds true, than he has already revealed he AND Forumrite. How do you plead? I don´t understand your analysis at all. I´m in the game, posting, but unfortunately I can´t be online all the time. I will try to compensate by posting more when I can. -------- I see 2 things people should take note off. Please call me out if I misinterpret the situation, I WANT to hear your defence against these accusations. That I accuse Zorkmind immediately after he´s suspicious of me is bad form, but please check his posts if you don´t believe me. Zorkmind has posted that he is suspicious of Forumite (me), Ssandroba (twice) and Shcoleosis, all three who try to encourage analysis and debate and doesn´t want to lynch innocents. I feel this is scummy behavior because analysis and carefull lynching is what Town wants. On April 16 2011 03:51 Forumite wrote:
FoS: Zorkmid
For the reasons mentioned above in my post, and because Zorkmid hasn´t made any effort at all to change my mind.
On April 16 2011 04:05 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 03:59 Zorkmid wrote:
I'm all up for scumhunting, and will defend myself at any point that I think it's necessary. Let's hear from the lurkers! Why do you accuse those who want debate and analysis? Isn´t that a good way to find Scums? I want an answer from the lurkers too, especially if they are quiet tomorrow too, but the way you focused on them now, at the time that I want answers from you, feels more like you are trying to direct the heat to someone else. Forumite also posts waaaay later indicating that he still believes Zorkmid to be scum. On April 16 2011 19:26 Forumite wrote:
I´m going to go by my earlier suspicions, that Zorkmid is Mafia because of his random accusations and willingness to lynch for weak reasons. That his defence is to vote on the one the rest of Town wants to Lynch doesn´t speak in his favor IMO, he´s not defending, just shifting blame.
##Vote Zorkmid sandroba calls out Zorkmid for a chainsaw defense which wasn't actually a chainsaw defense, so that can be ignored. Fast forward to right after my big analysis post on Shcoleosis and the subsequent bandwagon against her. She defended herself with this post by showing how in her opinion, Zorkmid was scummier than her. On April 16 2011 09:51 Shcoleosis wrote:+ Show Spoiler [post] +After reading this thread entirely, here's what I think on the matter: In my opinion, one of the first to accuse is usually the guilty one. Automatically everyone’s opinions are immediately placed under suspicion as the game progresses. That being the case, a mafia member wouldn’t express his opinions as eagerly as he would if he were agreeing with someone else’s. He would, however, be quick to blame, because doing so would divert attention away from himself. On April 15 2011 20:53 Zorkmid wrote:My FoS is on Shcoleosis as well for the same reasons, and will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit's argument about this Zorkmind person. Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 20:06 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Also, I think the way Zorkmind is subtly derailing the discussion by talking about less fun in this mafia thread makes me wonder if has a hidden motive. Zorkmid came up with the idea of lynching inactives and lurkers. That would work out greatly to his advantage if he were part of the mafia since it is more of an opportunity to blend, right? The more we accuse those of having a different opinion, the less of a suspect he seems to be. I am not the first to disagree with him. I am not the first to be accused because I disagreed with him. Notice how Zorkmid says he “will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit’s argument about his Zorkmind person.” Why so defensive, Zorkmid? Perhaps he is afraid of everyone discovering how he is desperately trying to divert attention away from himself. He’s doing a great job of it. I had my suspicions about him early on because he's not only quick to agree with the majority, but he is also quick to blame. I didn't quote any other of his posts, but to me, he acts quite suspicious in most of them. She follows that post up with this: On April 16 2011 10:12 Shcoleosis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 10:03 Zorkmid wrote:On April 16 2011 09:51 Shcoleosis wrote:After reading this thread entirely, here's what I think on the matter: In my opinion, one of the first to accuse is usually the guilty one. Automatically everyone’s opinions are immediately placed under suspicion as the game progresses. That being the case, a mafia member wouldn’t express his opinions as eagerly as he would if he were agreeing with someone else’s. He would, however, be quick to blame, because doing so would divert attention away from himself. On April 15 2011 20:53 Zorkmid wrote:My FoS is on Shcoleosis as well for the same reasons, and will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit's argument about this Zorkmind person. On April 15 2011 20:06 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Also, I think the way Zorkmind is subtly derailing the discussion by talking about less fun in this mafia thread makes me wonder if has a hidden motive. Zorkmid came up with the idea of lynching inactives and lurkers. That would work out greatly to his advantage if he were part of the mafia since it is more of an opportunity to blend, right? The more we accuse those of having a different opinion, the less of a suspect he seems to be. I am not the first to disagree with him. I am not the first to be accused because I disagreed with him. Notice how Zorkmid says he “will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit’s argument about his Zorkmind person.” Why so defensive, Zorkmid? Perhaps he is afraid of everyone discovering how he is desperately trying to divert attention away from himself. He’s doing a great job of it. I had my suspicions about him early on because he's not only quick to agree with the majority, but he is also quick to blame. I didn't quote any other of his posts, but to me, he acts quite suspicious in most of them. I've just learned that you should always beware of the person that is the first to agree with a scum read. If I were a mafia I'd be looking for the first opportunity to form a bandwagon against a known townie. Misfit was the first to point the finger at me, and I wanted everyone to wait and watch for the second Question for you Scheleosis......what's your plan to survive tomorrow? I'd say your only bet is to claim blue. ##Vote Scheleosis "If I were a mafia, I'd be looking for the first opportunity to form a bandwagon against a known townie." Uh, Zorkmid, isn't that exactly what you're doing? Wait, isn't that also what you did to Sandroba?? Take a look at the pattern you're creating. Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 23:50 Zorkmid wrote:
Because of your slip, I no longer suspect Scholesis.
FoS sandroba
Why explain why your town play is bad and then cite a guide you read that explained it was bad? Exhibit A. And this: On April 16 2011 10:19 Shcoleosis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 10:15 Zorkmid wrote:On April 16 2011 10:12 Shcoleosis wrote:On April 16 2011 10:03 Zorkmid wrote:On April 16 2011 09:51 Shcoleosis wrote:After reading this thread entirely, here's what I think on the matter: In my opinion, one of the first to accuse is usually the guilty one. Automatically everyone’s opinions are immediately placed under suspicion as the game progresses. That being the case, a mafia member wouldn’t express his opinions as eagerly as he would if he were agreeing with someone else’s. He would, however, be quick to blame, because doing so would divert attention away from himself. On April 15 2011 20:53 Zorkmid wrote:My FoS is on Shcoleosis as well for the same reasons, and will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit's argument about this Zorkmind person. On April 15 2011 20:06 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Also, I think the way Zorkmind is subtly derailing the discussion by talking about less fun in this mafia thread makes me wonder if has a hidden motive. Zorkmid came up with the idea of lynching inactives and lurkers. That would work out greatly to his advantage if he were part of the mafia since it is more of an opportunity to blend, right? The more we accuse those of having a different opinion, the less of a suspect he seems to be. I am not the first to disagree with him. I am not the first to be accused because I disagreed with him. Notice how Zorkmid says he “will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit’s argument about his Zorkmind person.” Why so defensive, Zorkmid? Perhaps he is afraid of everyone discovering how he is desperately trying to divert attention away from himself. He’s doing a great job of it. I had my suspicions about him early on because he's not only quick to agree with the majority, but he is also quick to blame. I didn't quote any other of his posts, but to me, he acts quite suspicious in most of them. I've just learned that you should always beware of the person that is the first to agree with a scum read. If I were a mafia I'd be looking for the first opportunity to form a bandwagon against a known townie. Misfit was the first to point the finger at me, and I wanted everyone to wait and watch for the second Question for you Scheleosis......what's your plan to survive tomorrow? I'd say your only bet is to claim blue. ##Vote Scheleosis "If I were a mafia, I'd be looking for the first opportunity to form a bandwagon against a known townie." Uh, Zorkmid, isn't that exactly what you're doing? Wait, isn't that also what you did to Sandroba?? Take a look at the pattern you're creating. On April 15 2011 23:50 Zorkmid wrote:
Because of your slip, I no longer suspect Scholesis.
FoS sandroba
Why explain why your town play is bad and then cite a guide you read that explained it was bad? Exhibit A. There's a difference between explaining why bad play is bad, and explaining why good play is good. I've noticed something else about you. You're fickle in your accusations. One minute you're accusing someone of this, and the next you're accusing someone of that. You keep looking for someone to blame. Misfit, Sandroba, Shcoleosis....who is next, Zorkmid? The only reason you are sticking by your argument is because everyone is on your side. You quickly shifted the blame to the next person when you found that no one was backing up your accusation. Lucky for you, you are not the only one suspicious of me. I guarantee you that is the only reason you are sticking by your vote against me. If no one backed you up on this, you would have immediately blamed the next person. To me, that screams nothing but scum....a scum desperately trying to fit in. A little later, Eternalmisfit also posts some suspicion. On April 16 2011 10:59 Eternalmisfit wrote:
I do also have some suspicions on Zorkmid who seems to be too finger happy at pointing at others. But, it is hard to say whether this is his usual forum personality or whether he trying to parry away any attention. Sadly, since it is mostly new people here, it is hard to get a read on someone on the basis of posting habits.
At this point sandroba believes Zorkmid to be town. Eternalmisfit's analysis: + Show Spoiler [Eternalmisfit's analysis] +On April 16 2011 21:36 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Zorkmid
Zorkmid is suspicious of Shcoleosis to the point where he will lynch her before lurkers. It seems like an opposite relation of Forumite i.e. if one of the is mafia, then the other one is town. Some more thoughts in next post. On April 16 2011 21:53 Eternalmisfit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 10:03 Zorkmid wrote:On April 16 2011 09:51 Shcoleosis wrote:After reading this thread entirely, here's what I think on the matter: In my opinion, one of the first to accuse is usually the guilty one. Automatically everyone’s opinions are immediately placed under suspicion as the game progresses. That being the case, a mafia member wouldn’t express his opinions as eagerly as he would if he were agreeing with someone else’s. He would, however, be quick to blame, because doing so would divert attention away from himself. On April 15 2011 20:53 Zorkmid wrote:My FoS is on Shcoleosis as well for the same reasons, and will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit's argument about this Zorkmind person. On April 15 2011 20:06 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Also, I think the way Zorkmind is subtly derailing the discussion by talking about less fun in this mafia thread makes me wonder if has a hidden motive. Zorkmid came up with the idea of lynching inactives and lurkers. That would work out greatly to his advantage if he were part of the mafia since it is more of an opportunity to blend, right? The more we accuse those of having a different opinion, the less of a suspect he seems to be. I am not the first to disagree with him. I am not the first to be accused because I disagreed with him. Notice how Zorkmid says he “will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit’s argument about his Zorkmind person.” Why so defensive, Zorkmid? Perhaps he is afraid of everyone discovering how he is desperately trying to divert attention away from himself. He’s doing a great job of it. I had my suspicions about him early on because he's not only quick to agree with the majority, but he is also quick to blame. I didn't quote any other of his posts, but to me, he acts quite suspicious in most of them. I've just learned that you should always beware of the person that is the first to agree with a scum read. If I were a mafia I'd be looking for the first opportunity to form a bandwagon against a known townie. Misfit was the first to point the finger at me, and I wanted everyone to wait and watch for the second Question for you Scheleosis......what's your plan to survive tomorrow? I'd say your only bet is to claim blue.##Vote Scheleosis The bolded part makes me highly suspicious that Zorkmid is scum. There are multiple people who think that it is likely that Shcoleosis is scum. But none of them are strongly confident about it as there is no concrete evidence of her being mafia apart from a few scum looking posts. However, Zorkmid is so confident that Shcoleosis is mafia that he is taunting her with that statement. This seems quite scummy to be me as if Zork was mafia, he would know Shcoleosis is mafia or not and thus can make strong statements like this. This by itself can even suggest that Zorkmid is just an aggressive poster so is not sufficient by itself to give a strong mafia read. The second part of his statement is what gives a strong mafia read. He has been posting multiple times that he is reading guides/following other mafia threads. However, I doubt that claiming blue is suggested as a good idea anywhere on Day 1. It almost seems like Zork is trying to fish out whether Shcoleosis is blue or not which seems scum-like to me. I am going to tentatively post for Zorkmid until I hear his point of view. ##Vote Zorkmid
Shcoleosis
+ Show Spoiler +The first person to suspect Shcoleosis (I think, somebody may have done it before and simply misspelled the name, in which case i missed it) The post: On April 15 2011 20:46 sandroba wrote:Well, there's not much info right now, but my main suspicion right now is scholeosis. I want to get this thread going as soon as possible so here it goes: Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 11:17 Shcoleosis wrote:On April 15 2011 11:12 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Btw I think we should lynch people who are inactive or lurking the boards as it is more likely that they are trying to stay under and radar and avoid suspicion on themselves by barely posting at all. Yeah, that seem logical. We don't want to kill innocent townies, though...It's the mafia we want gone! I highly doubt any mafia would be lurking or inactive when they have chances to kill. But who am I to say...I'm still learning :/ First he states the obvious: we don't want to kill town, we want to kill scum. Then he says he's newbie and that's obvious too, as this is a newbie game, and from what I read from guides that's usually a scum tell trying to justify his current and future behaviour. Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 13:01 Shcoleosis wrote:On April 15 2011 12:40 Zorkmid wrote:On April 15 2011 11:41 Shcoleosis wrote:
I'm sure getting rid of the inactive would make the lynching process easier, but I can't help but question the idea of getting rid of people unnecessarily. I'm thinking about it more, and I'm realizing that there's a chance the one we lynch is scum and there's also a chance that he or she might not be scum....no way to tell right now. Hopefully we'll get lucky. Why are you trying to protect inactives? Either they're not helping to scumhunt, or they are mafia. Let's hang em all ! Not trying to protect the inactive. I guess I just didn't really understand your logic well. But, hey, if it takes lynching the inactive to get rid of the scum, LET'S DO THIS! Lol Here he talks about not trying to protect the inactive. Note that at this point there were 3 people inactive. Maybe he's claiming not trying to protect the inactive scum? That feels like a slip to me. Then in the last part of his post he claims he doesn't understand the clear logic of being active is pro-town as it gives us more information from which to analise. Zorkmid agrees. So does Vain, but he actually makes a substantial post about why: On April 16 2011 06:38 Vain wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 06:17 sandroba wrote:
Well, right now, I'm still waiting on some kind of response by scholeosis. And the other lurkers should come out of the shadows and post their opnion, or is the situation too confortable that the scum can sit back and realx? Well i'll come out of the shadows then and will mention there is not very much too say jet. You can only argue that some are more active then others but i don't think any obvious or major slips were made. Sure, Zorkmid has like 50% of the posts but doesn't really really fit the picture of scum(jet?). I think Shcoleosis has displayed an odd behaviour by at first saying I'm still learning :/ and switching from opinion that fast but an explanation for this could be that she really isn't really into this game jet and is just afraid of being hanged the first day. Still until she can give an explenation, my vote is still on her. As does Eternalmisfit: On April 16 2011 07:28 Eternalmisfit wrote:I am quite suspicious of Shcoleosis being scum. + Show Spoiler +
Most of the people in the town are in 2 camps: lynching lurkers or not lynching lurkers. And for the most, the people have strong opinions on the matter. Shcoleosis initially was quite against the idea at the start of the discussion. However, as my suggestion gained some support (as most of the people opposed to it posted later), she quickly jumped sides and was semi-pro for lynching inactives.
I think she is changing her opinion and trying a bit too hard to fit in which seems like scummy behavior. She has also been inactive since those posts.
Shcoleosis In response to this, I do a nice post-by-post analysis of Shcoleosis, culminating in me voting for her. On April 16 2011 08:05 VarpuliS wrote:+ Show Spoiler +...And as promised, here is my analysis of Shcoleosis' posts. First post is a response to Eternalmisfit's suggestion to pressure lurkers On April 15 2011 11:17 Shcoleosis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 11:12 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Btw I think we should lynch people who are inactive or lurking the boards as it is more likely that they are trying to stay under and radar and avoid suspicion on themselves by barely posting at all. Yeah, that seem logical. We don't want to kill innocent townies, though...It's the mafia we want gone! I highly doubt any mafia would be lurking or inactive when they have chances to kill. But who am I to say...I'm still learning :/ This bolded line is not scummy, it's just stupid. Mafia doesn't kill by talking, they kill by pm'ing GMarshal at night. Mafia needs to avoid drawing attention to itself to prevent themselves from getting lynched. This post in general is pretty worthless, ending with a line that is... strange. But who am I to say...I'm still learning :/ This is the first scumtell I can see. She basically says "don't listen to me, i'm new." Townies need to talk and be listened to, not ignored because this is their first game. Only mafia and blues benefit from being ignored, so unless he roleclaims, lets assume scum. Second post comes a little bit later. the post reads: On April 15 2011 11:41 Shcoleosis wrote:
I'm sure getting rid of the inactive would make the lynching process easier, but I can't help but question the idea of getting rid of people unnecessarily. I'm thinking about it more, and I'm realizing that there's a chance the one we lynch is scum and there's also a chance that he or she might not be scum....no way to tell right now. Hopefully we'll get lucky. This is a post which blends in. It says practically nothing, but appears to be a contribution. Blending in is not something a townie needs to do. +1 scum level. Finally, we've got lucky number 3: On April 15 2011 13:01 Shcoleosis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 12:40 Zorkmid wrote:On April 15 2011 11:41 Shcoleosis wrote:
I'm sure getting rid of the inactive would make the lynching process easier, but I can't help but question the idea of getting rid of people unnecessarily. I'm thinking about it more, and I'm realizing that there's a chance the one we lynch is scum and there's also a chance that he or she might not be scum....no way to tell right now. Hopefully we'll get lucky. Why are you trying to protect inactives? Either they're not helping to scumhunt, or they are mafia. Let's hang em all ! Not trying to protect the inactive. I guess I just didn't really understand your logic well. But, hey, if it takes lynching the inactive to get rid of the scum, LET'S DO THIS! Lol Here, Shcoleosis basically says: "you seem to disagree with me... fine, you're right!" Agreeing with everybody else is something that two kinds of players do: - unhelpful townies -because they're just being sheep - mafia -because they're trying to blend in I don't want either in my town come lategame. Based off of this analysis, I'd like to start putting some pressure on Shcoleosis. Until a better target surfaces or she comes up with some good posts later on, I'll put my vote on her. ## Vote Shcoleosis This starts a bit of a bandwagon. the following people subsequently vote for Shcoleosis in the following order: - sandroba -later changes vote to Senj before the bandwagon on him starts
- Vain
- Zorkmid -after analysis that I'll go over in a moment
Zorkmid's analysis of Shcoleosis: On April 16 2011 10:03 Zorkmid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 09:51 Shcoleosis wrote:After reading this thread entirely, here's what I think on the matter: In my opinion, one of the first to accuse is usually the guilty one. Automatically everyone’s opinions are immediately placed under suspicion as the game progresses. That being the case, a mafia member wouldn’t express his opinions as eagerly as he would if he were agreeing with someone else’s. He would, however, be quick to blame, because doing so would divert attention away from himself. On April 15 2011 20:53 Zorkmid wrote:My FoS is on Shcoleosis as well for the same reasons, and will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit's argument about this Zorkmind person. On April 15 2011 20:06 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Also, I think the way Zorkmind is subtly derailing the discussion by talking about less fun in this mafia thread makes me wonder if has a hidden motive. Zorkmid came up with the idea of lynching inactives and lurkers. That would work out greatly to his advantage if he were part of the mafia since it is more of an opportunity to blend, right? The more we accuse those of having a different opinion, the less of a suspect he seems to be. I am not the first to disagree with him. I am not the first to be accused because I disagreed with him. Notice how Zorkmid says he “will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit’s argument about his Zorkmind person.” Why so defensive, Zorkmid? Perhaps he is afraid of everyone discovering how he is desperately trying to divert attention away from himself. He’s doing a great job of it. I had my suspicions about him early on because he's not only quick to agree with the majority, but he is also quick to blame. I didn't quote any other of his posts, but to me, he acts quite suspicious in most of them. I've just learned that you should always beware of the person that is the first to agree with a scum read. If I were a mafia I'd be looking for the first opportunity to form a bandwagon against a known townie. Misfit was the first to point the finger at me, and I wanted everyone to wait and watch for the second Question for you Scheleosis......what's your plan to survive tomorrow? I'd say your only bet is to claim blue. ##Vote Scheleosis Eternalmisfit again posts his suspicion: On April 16 2011 10:59 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Just read the recent set of posts and Shcoleosis arguments. Although does she raise at least one point in her defense (i.e. she did not try to agree with what I was saying right away). Nevertheless, I am still a little suspicious of her trying to blend in (and then accusing Zorkmid of being mafia for the same reason).
His analysis: On April 16 2011 21:36 Eternalmisfit wrote:Shcoleosis
I was suspicious of her due to low activity and trying to fit in. But, she seems to be more active now. I am still not confident that she is town but I don't get any strong vibes of her being mafia as well now. Vain's reason for joining the Shcoleosis bandwagon: On April 17 2011 00:26 Vain wrote:
Hmm, the reason i voted for shcoleosis is that in my opinion her behaviour was very scummy like( switching sides, saying things like first time playing guys). Witch was pointed out earlyer by the other players before me. She did not post again untill after i voted for her. I may note that the posts after that were not so much scum behaviour, but i am still not really convinced we have a better alternative. Although zorkmid could be suspected due to throwing accusations out like there is no tomorrow, which could be his strategy but is drawing attention to him and would be very risky if he were to be scum. Nevertheless zorkmid would be my number two but only to him being profoundly accusing. I haven't really looked in the accusations of the others too much but i'll try to post an analysis of them later on. And once again, Zorkmid's analysis: On April 17 2011 02:49 Zorkmid wrote:Shcoleosis FoSI'm very suspicious of this player. She has been the first person to echo several ideas of other players.... Example Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 11:12 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Btw I think we should lynch people who are inactive or lurking the boards as it is more likely that they are trying to stay under and radar and avoid suspicion on themselves by barely posting at all.
Yeah, that seem logical. We don't want to kill innocent townies, though...It's the mafia we want gone! I highly doubt any mafia would be lurking or inactive when they have chances to kill. But who am I to say...I'm still learning :/ I also find it very scummy that when eyes are on her, she reminds us that she's new to the game, as if that had anything to do with anything.
Eternalmisfit
+ Show Spoiler + Eternalmisfit has been under suspicion of being scum a grand total of once. It was by me, a while before he started posting his good analysis. the post reads: On April 16 2011 07:10 VarpuliS wrote:
I just looked though the thread, and pretty much 100% of Eternalmisfit's posts have been pushing for an inactive lynch day 1. He'd like to get everybody talking, but has yet to contribute in a meaningful way. If we're gonna lynch a lurker, it should either be him or Senj, who has been lurking since the beginning of the game, save a few posts about inactives. It wasn't so much an actual suspicion, rather a way to get him talking. It worked, and he's been actively analyzing since then, so he's no longer under any suspicion from me, as of now. Zorkmid likes him too: On April 17 2011 02:49 Zorkmid wrote:EternalMisfit
Every post I have seen of his, has been thoughtful conversation starting analysis. I think that he has used his voting to spark even more conversation. We'll see how it goes in these last ~10 hours, but I think this mofo is town.
Vain
+ Show Spoiler + Vain hasn't been super active. The first person to notice this post-early day 1 when he was asleep is Zorkmid, who posts: On April 16 2011 03:59 Zorkmid wrote:
I'm all up for scumhunting, and will defend myself at any point that I think it's necessary. Let's hear from the lurkers!
VarpuliS
Senj
Vain
Penny for your thoughts? Forumite subsequently classifies him as a lurker. Because of his lurking, there's not much information about him to analyze. Thus, Eternalmisfit's analysis of him is: On April 16 2011 21:36 Eternalmisfit wrote:Vain
He has posted multiple times throughout the thread. So, he is not as inactive as Senj/Elm, but he has not posted much of substance either. This seems a little suspicious again. Forumite is also suspicious: On April 16 2011 22:11 Forumite wrote:
I get a bit of bad wibes from Vain, not because he´s a slow poster, but because I don´t see him posting his own reasons for jumping on the wagon against Shcoleosis. It didn´t take long for people to start voting once the first vote was in. Zork and Sandroba voted quickly, but they had allready stated they had FoS on Shcoleosis, while Vains voting felt more like he was just agreeing rather than making up his own mind. I´d like to see some more reasons from him.
his request for a reason is granted though, so that suspicion may now have been lifted. Zorkmid thinks that he's a townie, however: On April 17 2011 02:49 Zorkmid wrote:VainShow nested quote +Hmm, the reason i voted for shcoleosis is that in my opinion her behaviour was very scummy like( switching sides, saying things like first time playing guys). Witch was pointed out earlyer by the other players before me. She did not post again untill after i voted for her. I may note that the posts after that were not so much scum behaviour, but i am still not really convinced we have a better alternative. Although zorkmid could be suspected due to throwing accusations out like there is no tomorrow, which could be his strategy but is drawing attention to him and would be very risky if he were to be scum. Nevertheless zorkmid would be my number two but only to him being profoundly accusing. I haven't really looked in the accusations of the others too much but i'll try to post an analysis of them later on. Ok, so my logic for thinking Vain is a Townie is a bit convoluted, but here goes: I don't think that a mafioso would want to be perceived to suspect two people on opposite sides of the argument between Shcoleosis and myself. I think that Shcoleosis is scum, and I think that if Vain was scum he would be on one side or the other, defending me OR Shcoleosis. Not both of us.
If I left anything out, let me know. I focused on scum reads, as those are the most important, and for the most part didn't post any town reads other than those in the general analyses by Eternalmisfit and Zorkmid, because it was convenient for me.
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The above post is not analysis. It is intended as a tool for analysts. Within the spoiler below each name are the people who suspect that person, and their reasons why. I made generous use of quotes, many of which I modified to remove fluff and keep concise. If you don't like how I messed with your quote, you can shove your complaint up your ass.
Well, I'm going to bed now. No doubt my previous post was riddled with mistakes, but there's nothing for it. I'll read through the responses tomorrow, but i hope this proves helpful to future analyses.
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Varp, great post. Summarizes other peoples opinions well, who do you think is Mafia at this point? Who do you think is [green]town[?green]?
There isn't much in there about what YOU think.
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On April 17 2011 13:14 VarpuliS wrote:
you can shove your complaint up your ass.
No need to be rude ^_^
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That was a great post varpulis, now I find it extremely likely you are town, as you wouldn't be making this huge effort towards making scumhunting easier if you weren't. I also agree with zork that I would like to hear your opnion as to who you think is mafia. I'm pretty pissed at Senj for not being active and screwing town over, I would like to request that he gets banned from the next few mafia games.
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Are we supposed to discuss during the night? It just makes me feel like the Mafia get more ammunition to use on who they want to night-kill.
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Anyway, I like what Varpulis did, making a summary, but I disagree with his summary on Elmizzt. He´s still lurking, he´s posted only one-liner unhelpfull posts except his groundless accusations against me, his post to vote on senj and his long accusation post against Sandroba. Not posting just to post a huge post to defend himself and throw suspicion on another tells me that he could post more if he wanted to, but perhaps he doesn´t because the debate goes the way he wants it to. Then again, Sandroba wasn´t under much suspicion before Elmizzt accused him, so if he is scum and was trying to divert attention, then he didn´t do a very good job of it.
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On April 17 2011 21:21 Forumite wrote:
Are we supposed to discuss during the night? It just makes me feel like the Mafia get more ammunition to use on who they want to night-kill.
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Anyway, I like what Varpulis did, making a summary, but I disagree with his summary on Elmizzt. He´s still lurking, he´s posted only one-liner unhelpfull posts except his groundless accusations against me, his post to vote on senj and his long accusation post against Sandroba. Not posting just to post a huge post to defend himself and throw suspicion on another tells me that he could post more if he wanted to, but perhaps he doesn´t because the debate goes the way he wants it to. Then again, Sandroba wasn´t under much suspicion before Elmizzt accused him, so if he is scum and was trying to divert attention, then he didn´t do a very good job of it.
Well, it think we should use all time possible to uncover maffia to prevent misses like senj. Yes he wasn't very active but he was a town as expected. We have a limited number of chances to get it right and sadly we had to lynch an inactive towny. As for being affraid that the maffia gets too much information you'll have to understand one thing perfectly. The maffia already knows who is town and is maffia. There is not much more to know for them. Sure we and the mafia do not know if there is a DT and/or a Doctor but they do not have to uncover themself if they do not want to. We can use all the information there is. The mafia already has all the info and sure as hell aren't gonna lynch one of their own at this moment.
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My reasoning was that right now, we are not learning anything except what people say, and we´ll get the next big clue once the night is over and someone dies. We can keep talking but we´re mostly helping the Mafia identify who we think are Townies and who reason well and are getting on to them. Then again we give hints and help to possible blues, and get a chance to give a last analysis in case we get night-killed.
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Given that this is a no PM mafia and we pretty much discussed all our suspicions to death already in the last 48 hr cycle, there is not too much analyze left. Senj being a townie also didn't provide too much information. We can just hope the blues know what they are doing and find something over the night and mafia doesn't get a blue kill.
I would probably pop over here a few times to see if anything new is posted and will post a synopsis just before the end of the night in case I get killed by the mafia.
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That monster post of mine was intended to summarize what other people are thinking. Because Zorkmid and Forumite asked me to, I'll make another list about what I think of everybody.
Forumite
I'm thinking that he's a townie at this point. He's been doing some nice analysis and promoting activity and discussion, which is good town play. Accusations against him have been groundless, so unless his posts get suspicious, I'm going to tentatively identify him as townie.
elmizzt FoS
I agree with your point Forumite: He's been lurking, his posts lack substance, and apart from his analysis of sandroba, which isn't very solid, he's contributed little to nothing. FoS elmizzt.
Senj
sandroba
Not sure where this guy stands, to be honest. He's posted some pretty good analysis, promoted activity, all that good stuff, but he's also done some suspicious stuff, i.e. having a totally different response to a post when he though Shcoleosis said it to when he thought Zorkmid said it, diverting discussions, and being overly dismissive. Pending further evidence, I'll put him on my "neutral" list.
Zorkmid
I'm getting a town vibe from him. He's just too active and open to be mafia. If he doesn't get hit in the 1st or 2nd night I'd get suspicious though, because his activity paints a gigantic target on his chest.
Shcoleosis
I'm still pretty damn suspicious of Shcoleosis. She avoided a lynch day 1 because we killed the inactive, but day 2 she's a priority lynch for me. scummy behavior and possible connections to other players make her lynch worthwhile even if she's town, because if she's not mafia, chances are some of the people arguing with her are.
Eternalmisfit
Eternalmisfit's been doing strong analysis and has made some key observations, and has overall been quite pro-town.
Vain FoS
Vain has been semi-active. I'm a little bit suspicious of him because he joined the Shcoleosis bandwagon without giving a reason until prompted to. Bandwagoning for the sake of bandwagoning is not great town play, and his logic and reasoning just haven't clicked with me. FoS, but not a priority.
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Unfortunately, we've got no clue which blue roles (if any) are in the game. If we do have any blues, we've got one of each, which means that we need to use those abilities wisely. I've got two lists here, 1 for the medic, and 1 for the DT, assuming the best case scenario that we've got both.
Medic
Our medic needs to be protecting the most active pro-town posters. Prime targets for protection are
- Zorkmid
- Eternalmisfit
- Varpulis
- Forumite (less so)
note: If you get hit and saved claim it. We need to know that. Later on, the medic can verify your statement, and we'll have a confirmed townie.
note2: don't claim medic unless you really need to, i.e. to save yourself from a lynch. Mafia can and will just kill you the following night.
Detective
Our detective needs to be investigating the shady characters in our little town. Don't try to confirm the active townies. It's a waste of an action, and we don't have very many actions to waste.
The shady people who need checking are:
- Shcoleosis
- elmizzt
- sandroba
Remember: you are sane and there is no Godfather. 100% of your results are accurate.
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I don´t think I asked Varp for that list, but I do appreciate it. Good work!
I agree with most of it, especially the lurkers, looks like a solid current situation. Not yet with you on Shcoleosis but with all the FoS on him I should probably do a post-by-post later.
Currently this:
FoS Elmizzt
FoS Vain
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oh, maybe it was just Zorkmid asking for my opinion. oh well. A post-by-post of Shcoleosis would be very useful, Forumite. I might reconsider my suspicion, but right now her defense isn't adequate for me.
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9 hours and 38 minutes till end of night, please be sure to PM both ME and GMarshal your actions!
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Regular town behavior can be interpreted as scummy behavior, and scummy behavior can be interpreted as town behavior. So far, I've seen most of you all basing your analysis off of what you assume to be town behavior or what you assume to be scum behavior. Weak assumptions are just going to get more green and blue people killed. If we want to catch and lynch the mafia, we have to think the way the mafia does. I mean, if you were part of the mafia, wouldn't you want to think like a townie in order to keep from being caught? It's a suggestion, and hopefully it will bring us closer to who is and who isn't a townie. My analysis of everyone would probably look like a repeat, so I doubt that it's necessary for me to post. I agree that Varpilus definitely had the most thorough and seemingly accurate analysis. That still doesn't mean he couldn't be scum. Just saying.
Right now, most of my suspicion is on Elmizzt, Sandroba, and Zorkmid.
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On April 18 2011 01:11 VarpuliS wrote:
oh, maybe it was just Zorkmid asking for my opinion. oh well. A post-by-post of Shcoleosis would be very useful, Forumite. I might reconsider my suspicion, but right now her defense isn't adequate for me.
Hi. Please explain to me how my defense isn't adequate. Maybe then I can prove to you how I couldn't possibly be mafia. From what I see, everyone is still hung up on my first two posts. I've made posts since then, and I'm trying to contribute as much as I can when I can without being accused for being suspicious.
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If you'd like my analysis, i'll give you my analysis. Post-by-post, the same way I analysed you the first time.
If you think I'm scum, give some evidence. if you're demanding evidence from me, I'll demand evidence from you. Good luck finding it.
Lets see if I can get my analysis posted before Forumite does...
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On April 18 2011 01:56 VarpuliS wrote:
If you'd like my analysis, i'll give you my analysis. Post-by-post, the same way I analysed you the first time.
If you think I'm scum, give some evidence. if you're demanding evidence from me, I'll demand evidence from you. Good luck finding it.
Lets see if I can get my analysis posted before Forumite does...
No need to get defensive, Varpulis. I'm only stating that there's a chance that anyone could be scum despite how much they contribute, admit, or lurk.
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I would also like to point out how the voting went. This is some actual data we can use and not up for debate. But as always it is up for intepretation of us. It could very well be that one of the persons voted for we're scum and the mafia influenced the vote. There has been some swing in vote's which i find very suspicous.
This is how the vote looked 10 hours before closing
+ Show Spoiler +On April 17 2011 00:38 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 22:31 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Mod: If someone doesn't vote, do they get modkilled? Yes they do get modkilledshcoleosis: 2Vain Zorkmid Zorkmid: 1Forumite Senj: 2sandroba Varpulis elmizzit: 1Eternalmisfit shcoleosis to be lynched on account of getting to 2 votes first
People who haven't voted yet: Shcoleosis, elmizzit, senj10 hours and 25 minutes remaining till the end of day
And here the final vote:
On April 17 2011 09:27 chaoser wrote:
shcoleosis: 1
Vain
Zorkmid: 1
Forumite
Senj: 6
sandroba
Varpulis
shcoleosis
Zorkmid
Eternalmisfit
elmizzt
Senj to be lynched at 6 votes
Day ends in 1 hour 33 minutes
So in a summarry. shcoleosis lost one vote on her senj gained SIX votes and Elmizzt lost one.
We can conclude from this that there is some serous bandwagoning going on here and maby some influence of the mafia. Keep in mind that there are not one but two mafia members influencing the votes and that we can be sure that 2 of the votes are mafia ones. The mafia makes up already 25% of our population so do not rule out mafia influence out of this vote.
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Shcoleosis
First things first, I'm going to quote my original analysis. Her early posts have been analysed once, I see no need to go over them again.
+ Show Spoiler [Previous analysis] +On April 16 2011 08:05 VarpuliS wrote:...And as promised, here is my analysis of Shcoleosis' posts. First post is a response to Eternalmisfit's suggestion to pressure lurkers Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 11:17 Shcoleosis wrote:On April 15 2011 11:12 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Btw I think we should lynch people who are inactive or lurking the boards as it is more likely that they are trying to stay under and radar and avoid suspicion on themselves by barely posting at all. Yeah, that seem logical. We don't want to kill innocent townies, though...It's the mafia we want gone! I highly doubt any mafia would be lurking or inactive when they have chances to kill. But who am I to say...I'm still learning :/ This bolded line is not scummy, it's just stupid. Mafia doesn't kill by talking, they kill by pm'ing GMarshal at night. Mafia needs to avoid drawing attention to itself to prevent themselves from getting lynched. This post in general is pretty worthless, ending with a line that is... strange. This is the first scumtell I can see. She basically says "don't listen to me, i'm new." Townies need to talk and be listened to, not ignored because this is their first game. Only mafia and blues benefit from being ignored, so unless he roleclaims, lets assume scum. Second post comes a little bit later. the post reads: Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 11:41 Shcoleosis wrote:
I'm sure getting rid of the inactive would make the lynching process easier, but I can't help but question the idea of getting rid of people unnecessarily. I'm thinking about it more, and I'm realizing that there's a chance the one we lynch is scum and there's also a chance that he or she might not be scum....no way to tell right now. Hopefully we'll get lucky. This is a post which blends in. It says practically nothing, but appears to be a contribution. Blending in is not something a townie needs to do. +1 scum level. Finally, we've got lucky number 3: Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 13:01 Shcoleosis wrote:On April 15 2011 12:40 Zorkmid wrote:On April 15 2011 11:41 Shcoleosis wrote:
I'm sure getting rid of the inactive would make the lynching process easier, but I can't help but question the idea of getting rid of people unnecessarily. I'm thinking about it more, and I'm realizing that there's a chance the one we lynch is scum and there's also a chance that he or she might not be scum....no way to tell right now. Hopefully we'll get lucky. Why are you trying to protect inactives? Either they're not helping to scumhunt, or they are mafia. Let's hang em all ! Not trying to protect the inactive. I guess I just didn't really understand your logic well. But, hey, if it takes lynching the inactive to get rid of the scum, LET'S DO THIS! Lol Here, Shcoleosis basically says: "you seem to disagree with me... fine, you're right!" Agreeing with everybody else is something that two kinds of players do: - unhelpful townies -because they're just being sheep - mafia -because they're trying to blend in I don't want either in my town come lategame. Based off of this analysis, I'd like to start putting some pressure on Shcoleosis. Until a better target surfaces or she comes up with some good posts later on, I'll put my vote on her. ## Vote Shcoleosis
and we now pick up with the next post she writes: On April 16 2011 08:55 Shcoleosis wrote:
Whoa, what? I leave for a few hours and I come back to everyone against me? The last thing I'm trying to do is be falsely accused of something I'm obviously not. I was looking at things from a different point of view in order to help all of us find out who is mafia scum. Then, after I thought about it, I changed my mind a little because I started to see the point. Since I am new to this game, I am trying my best to give my point of view and understand without everyone being paranoid of me. Think of it this way, though, if I were mafia scum, why would I want to disagree with you all? That would make it blatantly obvious that I am scum!
This is a bad defense. It's filled with fluff, states the obvious (first bolded line), makes excuses (second bolded line), and calls everybody else paranoid (third bolded line).
The actual defense is: "I changed my mind a little, and then decided to agree with you all because if I disagreed, I would stand out as scum."
According to this post, disagreeing with the town/not sheeping= scum To me, this is just as scummy as her previous posts. It promotes sheeping and makes lame excuses.
Next, she attempts to divert the suspicion to Zorkmid, with this post: On April 16 2011 09:51 Shcoleosis wrote:After reading this thread entirely, here's what I think on the matter: In my opinion, one of the first to accuse is usually the guilty one. The first to accuse you was sandroba, not Zorkmid. Automatically everyone’s opinions are immediately placed under suspicion as the game progresses. That being the case, a mafia member wouldn’t express his opinions as eagerly as he would if he were agreeing with someone else’s. He would, however, be quick to blame, because doing so would divert attention away from himself. I disagree. Mafia would be trying to blend in, by agreeing with the majority and not being conspicuous. Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 20:53 Zorkmid wrote:My FoS is on Shcoleosis as well for the same reasons, and will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit's argument about this Zorkmind person. On April 15 2011 20:06 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Also, I think the way Zorkmind is subtly derailing the discussion by talking about less fun in this mafia thread makes me wonder if has a hidden motive. Zorkmid came up with the idea of lynching inactives and lurkers. no, he actually didn't. the first to post in support of lynching inactives was Eternalmisfit That would work out greatly to his advantage if he were part of the mafia since it is more of an opportunity to blend, right? except that he's been extraordinarily active and vocal about his opinions The more we accuse those of having a different opinion, the less of a suspect he seems to be. I am not the first to disagree with him. I am not the first to be accused because I disagreed with him. Notice how Zorkmid says he “will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit’s argument about his Zorkmind person.” Why so defensive, Zorkmid? It's called a joke. people were misspelling his name Perhaps he is afraid of everyone discovering how he is desperately trying to divert attention away from himself. He’s doing a great job of it. I had my suspicions about him early on because he's not only quick to agree with the majority, but he is also quick to blame. I didn't quote any other of his posts, but to me, he acts quite suspicious in most of them.
My responses are in red. This post would be a valid defense, except that most of the evidence cited is false. Lying and bending the truth are not the actions of townies looking to identify scum. they are the actions of scum trying to raise suspicion on a townie.
Moving on.
Shcoleosis now get into an argument with Zorkmid, with each accusing the other of being scum.
On April 16 2011 10:12 Shcoleosis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 10:03 Zorkmid wrote:On April 16 2011 09:51 Shcoleosis wrote:After reading this thread entirely, here's what I think on the matter: In my opinion, one of the first to accuse is usually the guilty one. Automatically everyone’s opinions are immediately placed under suspicion as the game progresses. That being the case, a mafia member wouldn’t express his opinions as eagerly as he would if he were agreeing with someone else’s. He would, however, be quick to blame, because doing so would divert attention away from himself. On April 15 2011 20:53 Zorkmid wrote:My FoS is on Shcoleosis as well for the same reasons, and will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit's argument about this Zorkmind person. On April 15 2011 20:06 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Also, I think the way Zorkmind is subtly derailing the discussion by talking about less fun in this mafia thread makes me wonder if has a hidden motive. Zorkmid came up with the idea of lynching inactives and lurkers. That would work out greatly to his advantage if he were part of the mafia since it is more of an opportunity to blend, right? The more we accuse those of having a different opinion, the less of a suspect he seems to be. I am not the first to disagree with him. I am not the first to be accused because I disagreed with him. Notice how Zorkmid says he “will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit’s argument about his Zorkmind person.” Why so defensive, Zorkmid? Perhaps he is afraid of everyone discovering how he is desperately trying to divert attention away from himself. He’s doing a great job of it. I had my suspicions about him early on because he's not only quick to agree with the majority, but he is also quick to blame. I didn't quote any other of his posts, but to me, he acts quite suspicious in most of them. I've just learned that you should always beware of the person that is the first to agree with a scum read. If I were a mafia I'd be looking for the first opportunity to form a bandwagon against a known townie. Misfit was the first to point the finger at me, and I wanted everyone to wait and watch for the second Question for you Scheleosis......what's your plan to survive tomorrow? I'd say your only bet is to claim blue. ##Vote Scheleosis "If I were a mafia, I'd be looking for the first opportunity to form a bandwagon against a known townie." Uh, Zorkmid, isn't that exactly what you're doing? Wait, isn't that also what you did to Sandroba?? Take a look at the pattern you're creating. Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 23:50 Zorkmid wrote:
Because of your slip, I no longer suspect Scholesis.
FoS sandroba
Why explain why your town play is bad and then cite a guide you read that explained it was bad? Exhibit A.
Here, Shcoleosis calls Zorkmid's suspicion of sandroba an attempt to bandwagon him, and accuses Zorkmid of bandwagoning her even though he had been suspicious of her previously. Again, misinterpreting evidence to further her goals: This is scummy behavior, and still not a good defense.
In her final real post of the debate (people start to notice the lurkers at this point, and a bandwagon starts on Senj) On April 16 2011 10:19 Shcoleosis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 10:15 Zorkmid wrote:On April 16 2011 10:12 Shcoleosis wrote:On April 16 2011 10:03 Zorkmid wrote:On April 16 2011 09:51 Shcoleosis wrote:After reading this thread entirely, here's what I think on the matter: In my opinion, one of the first to accuse is usually the guilty one. Automatically everyone’s opinions are immediately placed under suspicion as the game progresses. That being the case, a mafia member wouldn’t express his opinions as eagerly as he would if he were agreeing with someone else’s. He would, however, be quick to blame, because doing so would divert attention away from himself. On April 15 2011 20:53 Zorkmid wrote:My FoS is on Shcoleosis as well for the same reasons, and will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit's argument about this Zorkmind person. On April 15 2011 20:06 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Also, I think the way Zorkmind is subtly derailing the discussion by talking about less fun in this mafia thread makes me wonder if has a hidden motive. Zorkmid came up with the idea of lynching inactives and lurkers. That would work out greatly to his advantage if he were part of the mafia since it is more of an opportunity to blend, right? The more we accuse those of having a different opinion, the less of a suspect he seems to be. I am not the first to disagree with him. I am not the first to be accused because I disagreed with him. Notice how Zorkmid says he “will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit’s argument about his Zorkmind person.” Why so defensive, Zorkmid? Perhaps he is afraid of everyone discovering how he is desperately trying to divert attention away from himself. He’s doing a great job of it. I had my suspicions about him early on because he's not only quick to agree with the majority, but he is also quick to blame. I didn't quote any other of his posts, but to me, he acts quite suspicious in most of them. I've just learned that you should always beware of the person that is the first to agree with a scum read. If I were a mafia I'd be looking for the first opportunity to form a bandwagon against a known townie. Misfit was the first to point the finger at me, and I wanted everyone to wait and watch for the second Question for you Scheleosis......what's your plan to survive tomorrow? I'd say your only bet is to claim blue. ##Vote Scheleosis "If I were a mafia, I'd be looking for the first opportunity to form a bandwagon against a known townie." Uh, Zorkmid, isn't that exactly what you're doing? Wait, isn't that also what you did to Sandroba?? Take a look at the pattern you're creating. On April 15 2011 23:50 Zorkmid wrote:
Because of your slip, I no longer suspect Scholesis.
FoS sandroba
Why explain why your town play is bad and then cite a guide you read that explained it was bad? Exhibit A. There's a difference between explaining why bad play is bad, and explaining why good play is good. I've noticed something else about you. You're fickle in your accusations. One minute you're accusing someone of this, and the next you're accusing someone of that. You keep looking for someone to blame. Misfit ..was never among those Zorkmid was suspicous of, Sandroba, Shcoleosis....who is next, Zorkmid? The only reason you are sticking by your argument is because everyone is on your side. You quickly shifted the blame to the next person when you found that no one was backing up your accusation. Actually, he changed his opinion based off of new evidenceLucky for you, you are not the only one suspicious of me. I guarantee you that is the only reason you are sticking by your vote against me. If no one backed you up on this, you would have immediately blamed the next person. To me, that screams nothing but scum....a scum desperately trying to fit in.
Once again, mistruths are abound. Two people is not a lot of accusations. The argument here seems... forced. The italicised part at the end has no content. It's just filler. Still not a good argument in my book.
This next post is in response to eternalmisfit's post regarding the argument between Shcoleosis and Zorkmid. On April 16 2011 11:26 Shcoleosis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 10:59 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Just read the recent set of posts and Shcoleosis arguments. Although does she raise at least one point in her defense (i.e. she did not try to agree with what I was saying right away). Nevertheless, I am still a little suspicious of her trying to blend in (and then accusing Zorkmid of being mafia for the same reason).
Apart from her, I do also have some suspicions on Zorkmid who seems to be too finger happy at pointing at others. But, it is hard to say whether this is his usual forum personality or whether he trying to parry away any attention. Sadly, since it is mostly new people here, it is hard to get a read on someone on the basis of posting habits.
Btw, just so that people don't fly under the radar, senj and elmizzit haven't posted anything of substance yet in this thread.
I am going to head to bed now and will read any new arguments made tonight before posting my initial vote tomorrow am.
Eh, everyone's a critic. I don't see how anyone wouldn't defend himself if he's being accused of all the wrong things. Besides, I would think blending in would call for a concession. I'm withholding my vote until I see some more action.
This post confuses me. Of course everybody would defend themselves when accused. You're defense just isn't very good. I don't follow the logic behind the bolded part. Could that be explained please?
This next post is a pretty clear scumtell to me. On April 17 2011 01:44 Shcoleosis wrote:
Not going to be on much today--It's a Saturday and I've things to do. It looks like I'm about to get lynched, and over the weakest of false reasons. I think my previous posts indicate why I would vote for Zorkmid. However, if Zorkmid, much to my dismay, ends up being anything other than scum, the pressure's going to automatically be on me. I've already had to defend my position as townie once.
Basically I'm doing this to save my ass.
##Vote: Senj
The bolded part is the scummiest line I've seen all game. Here, she says "this is why I think Zorkmid's scum" but declines to lynch him, due to the possibility that he could be town. TO me, this indicates a scum who knows that Zorkmid is town, and also knows that if Zorkmid gets lynched, she'll be next. She votes for Senj to avoid pressure and keep the suspicion away from her, because she doesn't want to defend her position. This is a scumtell if ever there was one, and isn't helping her "I'm not scum, Zorkmid is" argument.
This brings us to the last post to be analyzed. On April 18 2011 01:36 Shcoleosis wrote:
Regular town behavior can be interpreted as scummy behavior, and scummy behavior can be interpreted as town behavior. So far, I've seen most of you all basing your analysis off of what you assume to be town behavior or what you assume to be scum behavior. That's how this works, yes. We've got nothing to work with but our assumptions. your point? Weak assumptions are just going to get more green and blue people killed. If we want to catch and lynch the mafia, we have to think the way the mafia does. I mean, if you were part of the mafia, wouldn't you want to think like a townie in order to keep from being caught? WIFOM It's a suggestion, and hopefully it will bring us closer to who is and who isn't a townie. My analysis of everyone would probably look like a repeat, so I doubt that it's necessary for me to post. POST PLEASE! I agree that Varpilus definitely had the most thorough and seemingly accurate analysis. That still doesn't mean he couldn't be scum. OMGUS Just saying.
Right now, most of my suspicion is on Elmizzt, Sandroba, and Zorkmid.
I like how this post states the obvious, pretends to be insightful explains why she won't be adding to the analysis, calls the person suspicious of her scum, and agrees with everybody about who's suspicious, with Zorkmid tacked on. This is not strong town behavior, but it is clever scum behavior.
The only remaining post is a challenge to explain why I'm suspicious of her. Consider it answered.
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On April 18 2011 02:48 Vain wrote:I would also like to point out how the voting went. This is some actual data we can use and not up for debate. But as always it is up for intepretation of us. It could very well be that one of the persons voted for we're scum and the mafia influenced the vote. There has been some swing in vote's which i find very suspicous. This is how the vote looked 10 hours before closing + Show Spoiler +On April 17 2011 00:38 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 22:31 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Mod: If someone doesn't vote, do they get modkilled? Yes they do get modkilledshcoleosis: 2Vain Zorkmid Zorkmid: 1Forumite Senj: 2sandroba Varpulis elmizzit: 1Eternalmisfit shcoleosis to be lynched on account of getting to 2 votes first
People who haven't voted yet: Shcoleosis, elmizzit, senj10 hours and 25 minutes remaining till the end of day And here the final vote: Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 09:27 chaoser wrote:
shcoleosis: 1
Vain
Zorkmid: 1
Forumite
Senj: 6
sandroba
Varpulis
shcoleosis
Zorkmid
Eternalmisfit
elmizzt
Senj to be lynched at 6 votes
Day ends in 1 hour 33 minutes So in a summarry. shcoleosis lost one vote on her senj gained SIX votes and Elmizzt lost one. We can conclude from this that there is some serous bandwagoning going on here and maby some influence of the mafia. Keep in mind that there are not one but two mafia members influencing the votes and that we can be sure that 2 of the votes are mafia ones. The mafia makes up already 25% of our population so do not rule out mafia influence out of this vote.
Agreed. People bandwagoned on Sen and there is definitely at least one mafia who voted for Senj. Note that the order that people are listed there is the order in which they voted.
Suspicious people who voted for Senj after my analysis of his posts (i.e. joined the bandwagon)
Eternalmisfit was the one who brought the lurking to my attention, so his vote is not a bandwagon.
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On April 18 2011 02:48 Vain wrote:I would also like to point out how the voting went. This is some actual data we can use and not up for debate. But as always it is up for intepretation of us. It could very well be that one of the persons voted for we're scum and the mafia influenced the vote. There has been some swing in vote's which i find very suspicous. This is how the vote looked 10 hours before closing + Show Spoiler +On April 17 2011 00:38 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 22:31 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Mod: If someone doesn't vote, do they get modkilled? Yes they do get modkilledshcoleosis: 2Vain Zorkmid Zorkmid: 1Forumite Senj: 2sandroba Varpulis elmizzit: 1Eternalmisfit shcoleosis to be lynched on account of getting to 2 votes first
People who haven't voted yet: Shcoleosis, elmizzit, senj10 hours and 25 minutes remaining till the end of day And here the final vote: Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 09:27 chaoser wrote:
shcoleosis: 1
Vain
Zorkmid: 1
Forumite
Senj: 6
sandroba
Varpulis
shcoleosis
Zorkmid
Eternalmisfit
elmizzt
Senj to be lynched at 6 votes
Day ends in 1 hour 33 minutes So in a summarry. shcoleosis lost one vote on her senj gained SIX votes and Elmizzt lost one. We can conclude from this that there is some serous bandwagoning going on here and maby some influence of the mafia. Keep in mind that there are not one but two mafia members influencing the votes and that we can be sure that 2 of the votes are mafia ones. The mafia makes up already 25% of our population so do not rule out mafia influence out of this vote.
People swapped their vote to Senj since he was going to be mod-killed anyways (for not voting). Since it was highly likely that he was going to be mod-killed (since he had not posted/voted till 1 hr before deadline), it made more sense to lynch him then go for someone else and lynch a townie (or a blue) by mistake.
In any case, we will have at least information about one more person before the next lynch (mafia kill or mafia save in case of medic) and if there is a detective, he will know about 2 more. So tomorrow, it should be a much more informed discussion.
I would be surprised if none of me, Zork, or Varpulis get hit by the mafia tonight (or the next night at the very least). Since I know I am town, I would start getting suspicious of the other two in that case; and I believe it will be a likewise thought process for the other two as well.
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On April 17 2011 23:53 VarpuliS wrote:
Vain FoS
Vain has been semi-active. I'm a little bit suspicious of him because he joined the Shcoleosis bandwagon without giving a reason until prompted to. Bandwagoning for the sake of bandwagoning is not great town play, and his logic and reasoning just haven't clicked with me. FoS, but not a priority.
Disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing is? we could discuss over that and i could try to defend myself which is not advised in a game of mafia so fuck that. Btw didnt anyone notice the vote swing at the last moment or did everyone just stop caring?
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On April 18 2011 03:04 Eternalmisfit wrote:
I would be surprised if none of me, Zork, or Varpulis get hit by the mafia tonight (or the next night at the very least). Since I know I am town, I would start getting suspicious of the other two in that case; and I believe it will be a likewise thought process for the other two as well.
This. There's a reason the three of us are on my "medic save us" list. If Zork survives the next two nights without help from a medic, I'll be very suspicious of him.
The trouble is by that point I'll most likely already be dead.
I'm going to go do some real life stuff, I'll come back with final post a couple of hours before the day post comes, in case I get hit tonight.
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Here's a post about possible relationship's between people based on posting. This is based on accusation of the people throughout the thread. The post is structured such that if the bold player is mafia, then the listed people are so and so.
Shcoleosis
Zork and Vain -> town
Varp -> Likely town
Forum -> Scum
Elmizzt -> No opinion
Sand -> Likely scum (initial accusation followed by a swift change of vote)
Zorkmid
Sand, and Shcol -> town
Forumite -> Likely town
Varpulis -> Likely scum (has pointed Zork being town a few times)
Elmizzt -> Scum
Vain -> no opinion
Elmizzt
Varp ->Likely town
Not a whole lot to go for others
Sandroba
Zork-> Town
Elmizzt -> Likely Town
Forumite -> Likely scum
Forumite
I dont think he has been strongly suspected by anyone or strongly said to be town by anyone so there is no linking with others.
Vapulis
Zork -> Likely scum
No one has accused of him of being scum at any point (apart from initial lurking)
Vain
Shcol -> Town
Others have questioned his inactivity but no strong accusation/support yet.
Summary
In summary, Zork and Shcol have been point of discussion or being involved in discussion and most people have some sort of public opinion/vote on either of those. If I were a detective, I would check up on those two since knowing their alignment provides a plethora of information for analysis. Remember, don't role-claim as a DT unless absolutely necessary since it will get you mafia killed in the following night.
Lastly, I did not list my leanings based on the above analysis and it would be better than someone unbiased does that.
Note: This will be my penultimate post before daybreak as I need to do some work. I would make a post just before daybreak detailing what my strategy would be so that you some insight if I die.
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Hey all, just skimmed your analysis, GREAT to see it!
I was wrong about this being a boring game! GF and I making dinner for company. I'll try and sneak back for half an hour or so and was thinking I'd try and look at the voting records. Hope to be on soon !
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I believe one of the Mafia recently outed himself, and the latest posts have hinted the same thing. Simple, VarpuliS is Mafia.
Shcoleosis have long been designated scummy, and a good Mafia tactic is to lynch those that are suspicious because that is easy. A good Mafia makes himself immune to suspicion, and this one has a good tactic. He´s the one who speaks the most, explains the situation, help the others in their analysis and appear so pro-town that he´s beyond suspicion. By piling the case on Shcoleosis, he´s himself safe for another day, maybe more, and it´s safe to gather evidence against someone most people allready think is scum allready.
Well, he unvoted Shcoleosis, didn´t he? To lynch an inactive that would get modkilled anyway nonetheless? Yes, there was an opportunity for a double kill there, but also an opportunity to appear more Town to help with providing obvious advice, the situation is no different from a normal first lynch, just that the modkill bonus disappeared. And immediately after the lynch, what does he do? Does a nice post on who everyone is, excluding himself of course, but clearly marking Shcolesis as the most likely Mafia, back on making sure a scummy Townie gets lynched. I hinted that I would do a post-by-post analysis of Shcoleosis, so it´s okay for him to do the same, another strong attack to lynch him. He´s not very subtle, but at least focused.
The quote is below, I bolded the relevant part, so the emphasis is mine.
On April 18 2011 00:12 VarpuliS wrote:
Unfortunately, we've got no clue which blue roles (if any) are in the game. If we do have any blues, we've got one of each, which means that we need to use those abilities wisely. I've got two lists here, 1 for the medic, and 1 for the DT, assuming the best case scenario that we've got both.
Now, why is this scummy? Simple, there is 4 possible role combinations. Townies have no information that hints to which it is. Doctor and Cop can be both alone and together, and the cop couldn´t have identified a roleblocker yet to get more info. Now, what about Mafia? A Mafia knows if he or the other Mafia is a roleblocker, so they know if it´s combinations 1 and 2, or 3 and 4. If they have a roleblocker then it MUST be either one Blue of each type or NO blues at all. Since no role except a Mafia would know this yet, we can be quite sure that Varpulis is Mafia.
He outed himself by mistake, and we should lynch him for Day 2, as well as put Shcolesis off the scumlist.
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And again I realize that I should check up on Shcolesis, because I just defended him again. I hope he´s not Mafia, but if I´m right that Varpulis is Mafia, then Shcoleosis just became a guaranteed Townie.
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Eternalmisfit, I think your analysis of me and Varpulis is weak.
If I am Mafia, then Shcoleosis is probably too, since for some reason I defend him all the time.
If Varpulis is mafia then Shcoleosis is probably Town, since he´s been on him for so long.
Apart from that it´s a very interesting summary, kudos.
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ah. I see the misunderstanding here. What I meant to say was "If we do have any blues, we've only got one of each. This was to make it very clear that we must not waste any abilities given to us. If you'd like to lynch me, lynch me. I invite you. It will prove my alignment and deny suspicion in my analyses.
Let me repeat that: If you think i'm scum, go ahead and lynch me.
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That´s it? Your defence is that you are town and it´s okay that you get lynched, instead of us lynching a Mafia? Are you giving up on this game? It doesn´t matter if a player live or die, if Town eventually win then ALL Town win, even if they get lynched or killed on the way, but if you go quietly to get lynched, then you help Mafia only.
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The missing -only- is almost believeable, but I´m keeping my eyes on you for now.
FoS: VarpuliS
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On April 18 2011 03:54 VarpuliS wrote:
ah. I see the misunderstanding here. What I meant to say was "If we do have any blues, we've only got one of each. This was to make it very clear that we must not waste any abilities given to us. If you'd like to lynch me, lynch me. I invite you. It will prove my alignment and deny suspicion in my analyses.
Let me repeat that: If you think i'm scum, go ahead and lynch me.
VarpuliS, did you read the guides that were reccomended?
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6 hours and 48 minutes left in the day, send actions to both me and GMarshal please
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=211590
On another note, TL Mafia vet members RoL and LSB are holding a BW showmatch to decide who gets to control each other's signature. An unstoppable force (RoL's rage) versus an immovable object (LSB's stubbornness), who will win?? Support your fellow members! Tonight at 7PM!
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Well, If you think that I'm scum, there's probably nothing that I can do to dispel your suspicion. I'm Vanilla town. I've got no powers that I need to protect, only my analysis that will be ignored and discredited if everybody thinks that i'm scum.
I am confident that I've got at least one scum in my list of suspects. A townie for a mafia is a good trade in my book.
In my opinion, there's no doubt that Shcoleosis is a superior choice for the day 2 lynch. I'm sure that some people agree with me. I'm sure that others don't.
I urge you to all to vote for Shcoleosis. I've got multiple analyses to cite as to why. Forumite's got one "mistake" which was simply a miscommunication.
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Eternalmisfit, why am I likely scum if Sandroba is scum?
Is this because of that old Zorkmid post?
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On April 18 2011 02:52 VarpuliS wrote:Shcoleosis First things first, I'm going to quote my original analysis. Her early posts have been analysed once, I see no need to go over them again. + Show Spoiler [Previous analysis] +On April 16 2011 08:05 VarpuliS wrote:...And as promised, here is my analysis of Shcoleosis' posts. First post is a response to Eternalmisfit's suggestion to pressure lurkers Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 11:17 Shcoleosis wrote:On April 15 2011 11:12 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Btw I think we should lynch people who are inactive or lurking the boards as it is more likely that they are trying to stay under and radar and avoid suspicion on themselves by barely posting at all. Yeah, that seem logical. We don't want to kill innocent townies, though...It's the mafia we want gone! I highly doubt any mafia would be lurking or inactive when they have chances to kill. But who am I to say...I'm still learning :/ This bolded line is not scummy, it's just stupid. Mafia doesn't kill by talking, they kill by pm'ing GMarshal at night. Mafia needs to avoid drawing attention to itself to prevent themselves from getting lynched. This post in general is pretty worthless, ending with a line that is... strange. This is the first scumtell I can see. She basically says "don't listen to me, i'm new." Townies need to talk and be listened to, not ignored because this is their first game. Only mafia and blues benefit from being ignored, so unless he roleclaims, lets assume scum. Second post comes a little bit later. the post reads: Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 11:41 Shcoleosis wrote:
I'm sure getting rid of the inactive would make the lynching process easier, but I can't help but question the idea of getting rid of people unnecessarily. I'm thinking about it more, and I'm realizing that there's a chance the one we lynch is scum and there's also a chance that he or she might not be scum....no way to tell right now. Hopefully we'll get lucky. This is a post which blends in. It says practically nothing, but appears to be a contribution. Blending in is not something a townie needs to do. +1 scum level. Finally, we've got lucky number 3: Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 13:01 Shcoleosis wrote:On April 15 2011 12:40 Zorkmid wrote:On April 15 2011 11:41 Shcoleosis wrote:
I'm sure getting rid of the inactive would make the lynching process easier, but I can't help but question the idea of getting rid of people unnecessarily. I'm thinking about it more, and I'm realizing that there's a chance the one we lynch is scum and there's also a chance that he or she might not be scum....no way to tell right now. Hopefully we'll get lucky. Why are you trying to protect inactives? Either they're not helping to scumhunt, or they are mafia. Let's hang em all ! Not trying to protect the inactive. I guess I just didn't really understand your logic well. But, hey, if it takes lynching the inactive to get rid of the scum, LET'S DO THIS! Lol Here, Shcoleosis basically says: "you seem to disagree with me... fine, you're right!" Agreeing with everybody else is something that two kinds of players do: - unhelpful townies -because they're just being sheep - mafia -because they're trying to blend in I don't want either in my town come lategame. Based off of this analysis, I'd like to start putting some pressure on Shcoleosis. Until a better target surfaces or she comes up with some good posts later on, I'll put my vote on her. ## Vote Shcoleosis and we now pick up with the next post she writes: Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 08:55 Shcoleosis wrote:
Whoa, what? I leave for a few hours and I come back to everyone against me? The last thing I'm trying to do is be falsely accused of something I'm obviously not. I was looking at things from a different point of view in order to help all of us find out who is mafia scum. Then, after I thought about it, I changed my mind a little because I started to see the point. Since I am new to this game, I am trying my best to give my point of view and understand without everyone being paranoid of me. Think of it this way, though, if I were mafia scum, why would I want to disagree with you all? That would make it blatantly obvious that I am scum! This is a bad defense. It's filled with fluff, states the obvious (first bolded line), makes excuses (second bolded line), and calls everybody else paranoid (third bolded line). The actual defense is: "I changed my mind a little, and then decided to agree with you all because if I disagreed, I would stand out as scum." According to this post, disagreeing with the town/not sheeping= scum To me, this is just as scummy as her previous posts. It promotes sheeping and makes lame excuses. Next, she attempts to divert the suspicion to Zorkmid, with this post: Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 09:51 Shcoleosis wrote:After reading this thread entirely, here's what I think on the matter: In my opinion, one of the first to accuse is usually the guilty one. The first to accuse you was sandroba, not Zorkmid. Automatically everyone’s opinions are immediately placed under suspicion as the game progresses. That being the case, a mafia member wouldn’t express his opinions as eagerly as he would if he were agreeing with someone else’s. He would, however, be quick to blame, because doing so would divert attention away from himself. I disagree. Mafia would be trying to blend in, by agreeing with the majority and not being conspicuous. On April 15 2011 20:53 Zorkmid wrote:My FoS is on Shcoleosis as well for the same reasons, and will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit's argument about this Zorkmind person. On April 15 2011 20:06 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Also, I think the way Zorkmind is subtly derailing the discussion by talking about less fun in this mafia thread makes me wonder if has a hidden motive. Zorkmid came up with the idea of lynching inactives and lurkers. no, he actually didn't. the first to post in support of lynching inactives was Eternalmisfit That would work out greatly to his advantage if he were part of the mafia since it is more of an opportunity to blend, right? except that he's been extraordinarily active and vocal about his opinions The more we accuse those of having a different opinion, the less of a suspect he seems to be. I am not the first to disagree with him. I am not the first to be accused because I disagreed with him. Notice how Zorkmid says he “will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit’s argument about his Zorkmind person.” Why so defensive, Zorkmid? It's called a joke. people were misspelling his name Perhaps he is afraid of everyone discovering how he is desperately trying to divert attention away from himself. He’s doing a great job of it. I had my suspicions about him early on because he's not only quick to agree with the majority, but he is also quick to blame. I didn't quote any other of his posts, but to me, he acts quite suspicious in most of them. My responses are in red. This post would be a valid defense, except that most of the evidence cited is false. Lying and bending the truth are not the actions of townies looking to identify scum. they are the actions of scum trying to raise suspicion on a townie. Moving on. Shcoleosis now get into an argument with Zorkmid, with each accusing the other of being scum. Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 10:12 Shcoleosis wrote:On April 16 2011 10:03 Zorkmid wrote:On April 16 2011 09:51 Shcoleosis wrote:After reading this thread entirely, here's what I think on the matter: In my opinion, one of the first to accuse is usually the guilty one. Automatically everyone’s opinions are immediately placed under suspicion as the game progresses. That being the case, a mafia member wouldn’t express his opinions as eagerly as he would if he were agreeing with someone else’s. He would, however, be quick to blame, because doing so would divert attention away from himself. On April 15 2011 20:53 Zorkmid wrote:My FoS is on Shcoleosis as well for the same reasons, and will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit's argument about this Zorkmind person. On April 15 2011 20:06 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Also, I think the way Zorkmind is subtly derailing the discussion by talking about less fun in this mafia thread makes me wonder if has a hidden motive. Zorkmid came up with the idea of lynching inactives and lurkers. That would work out greatly to his advantage if he were part of the mafia since it is more of an opportunity to blend, right? The more we accuse those of having a different opinion, the less of a suspect he seems to be. I am not the first to disagree with him. I am not the first to be accused because I disagreed with him. Notice how Zorkmid says he “will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit’s argument about his Zorkmind person.” Why so defensive, Zorkmid? Perhaps he is afraid of everyone discovering how he is desperately trying to divert attention away from himself. He’s doing a great job of it. I had my suspicions about him early on because he's not only quick to agree with the majority, but he is also quick to blame. I didn't quote any other of his posts, but to me, he acts quite suspicious in most of them. I've just learned that you should always beware of the person that is the first to agree with a scum read. If I were a mafia I'd be looking for the first opportunity to form a bandwagon against a known townie. Misfit was the first to point the finger at me, and I wanted everyone to wait and watch for the second Question for you Scheleosis......what's your plan to survive tomorrow? I'd say your only bet is to claim blue. ##Vote Scheleosis "If I were a mafia, I'd be looking for the first opportunity to form a bandwagon against a known townie." Uh, Zorkmid, isn't that exactly what you're doing? Wait, isn't that also what you did to Sandroba?? Take a look at the pattern you're creating. On April 15 2011 23:50 Zorkmid wrote:
Because of your slip, I no longer suspect Scholesis.
FoS sandroba
Why explain why your town play is bad and then cite a guide you read that explained it was bad? Exhibit A. Here, Shcoleosis calls Zorkmid's suspicion of sandroba an attempt to bandwagon him, and accuses Zorkmid of bandwagoning her even though he had been suspicious of her previously. Again, misinterpreting evidence to further her goals: This is scummy behavior, and still not a good defense. In her final real post of the debate (people start to notice the lurkers at this point, and a bandwagon starts on Senj) Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 10:19 Shcoleosis wrote:On April 16 2011 10:15 Zorkmid wrote:On April 16 2011 10:12 Shcoleosis wrote:On April 16 2011 10:03 Zorkmid wrote:On April 16 2011 09:51 Shcoleosis wrote:After reading this thread entirely, here's what I think on the matter: In my opinion, one of the first to accuse is usually the guilty one. Automatically everyone’s opinions are immediately placed under suspicion as the game progresses. That being the case, a mafia member wouldn’t express his opinions as eagerly as he would if he were agreeing with someone else’s. He would, however, be quick to blame, because doing so would divert attention away from himself. On April 15 2011 20:53 Zorkmid wrote:My FoS is on Shcoleosis as well for the same reasons, and will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit's argument about this Zorkmind person. On April 15 2011 20:06 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Also, I think the way Zorkmind is subtly derailing the discussion by talking about less fun in this mafia thread makes me wonder if has a hidden motive. Zorkmid came up with the idea of lynching inactives and lurkers. That would work out greatly to his advantage if he were part of the mafia since it is more of an opportunity to blend, right? The more we accuse those of having a different opinion, the less of a suspect he seems to be. I am not the first to disagree with him. I am not the first to be accused because I disagreed with him. Notice how Zorkmid says he “will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit’s argument about his Zorkmind person.” Why so defensive, Zorkmid? Perhaps he is afraid of everyone discovering how he is desperately trying to divert attention away from himself. He’s doing a great job of it. I had my suspicions about him early on because he's not only quick to agree with the majority, but he is also quick to blame. I didn't quote any other of his posts, but to me, he acts quite suspicious in most of them. I've just learned that you should always beware of the person that is the first to agree with a scum read. If I were a mafia I'd be looking for the first opportunity to form a bandwagon against a known townie. Misfit was the first to point the finger at me, and I wanted everyone to wait and watch for the second Question for you Scheleosis......what's your plan to survive tomorrow? I'd say your only bet is to claim blue. ##Vote Scheleosis "If I were a mafia, I'd be looking for the first opportunity to form a bandwagon against a known townie." Uh, Zorkmid, isn't that exactly what you're doing? Wait, isn't that also what you did to Sandroba?? Take a look at the pattern you're creating. On April 15 2011 23:50 Zorkmid wrote:
Because of your slip, I no longer suspect Scholesis.
FoS sandroba
Why explain why your town play is bad and then cite a guide you read that explained it was bad? Exhibit A. There's a difference between explaining why bad play is bad, and explaining why good play is good. I've noticed something else about you. You're fickle in your accusations. One minute you're accusing someone of this, and the next you're accusing someone of that. You keep looking for someone to blame. Misfit ..was never among those Zorkmid was suspicous of, Sandroba, Shcoleosis....who is next, Zorkmid? The only reason you are sticking by your argument is because everyone is on your side. You quickly shifted the blame to the next person when you found that no one was backing up your accusation. Actually, he changed his opinion based off of new evidenceLucky for you, you are not the only one suspicious of me. I guarantee you that is the only reason you are sticking by your vote against me. If no one backed you up on this, you would have immediately blamed the next person. To me, that screams nothing but scum....a scum desperately trying to fit in. Once again, mistruths are abound. Two people is not a lot of accusations. The argument here seems... forced. The italicised part at the end has no content. It's just filler. Still not a good argument in my book. This next post is in response to eternalmisfit's post regarding the argument between Shcoleosis and Zorkmid. Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 11:26 Shcoleosis wrote:On April 16 2011 10:59 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Just read the recent set of posts and Shcoleosis arguments. Although does she raise at least one point in her defense (i.e. she did not try to agree with what I was saying right away). Nevertheless, I am still a little suspicious of her trying to blend in (and then accusing Zorkmid of being mafia for the same reason).
Apart from her, I do also have some suspicions on Zorkmid who seems to be too finger happy at pointing at others. But, it is hard to say whether this is his usual forum personality or whether he trying to parry away any attention. Sadly, since it is mostly new people here, it is hard to get a read on someone on the basis of posting habits.
Btw, just so that people don't fly under the radar, senj and elmizzit haven't posted anything of substance yet in this thread.
I am going to head to bed now and will read any new arguments made tonight before posting my initial vote tomorrow am.
Eh, everyone's a critic. I don't see how anyone wouldn't defend himself if he's being accused of all the wrong things. Besides, I would think blending in would call for a concession. I'm withholding my vote until I see some more action. This post confuses me. Of course everybody would defend themselves when accused. You're defense just isn't very good. I don't follow the logic behind the bolded part. Could that be explained please? This next post is a pretty clear scumtell to me. Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 01:44 Shcoleosis wrote:
Not going to be on much today--It's a Saturday and I've things to do. It looks like I'm about to get lynched, and over the weakest of false reasons. I think my previous posts indicate why I would vote for Zorkmid. However, if Zorkmid, much to my dismay, ends up being anything other than scum, the pressure's going to automatically be on me. I've already had to defend my position as townie once.
Basically I'm doing this to save my ass.
##Vote: Senj The bolded part is the scummiest line I've seen all game. Here, she says "this is why I think Zorkmid's scum" but declines to lynch him, due to the possibility that he could be town. TO me, this indicates a scum who knows that Zorkmid is town, and also knows that if Zorkmid gets lynched, she'll be next. She votes for Senj to avoid pressure and keep the suspicion away from her, because she doesn't want to defend her position. This is a scumtell if ever there was one, and isn't helping her "I'm not scum, Zorkmid is" argument. This brings us to the last post to be analyzed. Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 01:36 Shcoleosis wrote:
Regular town behavior can be interpreted as scummy behavior, and scummy behavior can be interpreted as town behavior. So far, I've seen most of you all basing your analysis off of what you assume to be town behavior or what you assume to be scum behavior. That's how this works, yes. We've got nothing to work with but our assumptions. your point? Weak assumptions are just going to get more green and blue people killed. If we want to catch and lynch the mafia, we have to think the way the mafia does. I mean, if you were part of the mafia, wouldn't you want to think like a townie in order to keep from being caught? WIFOM It's a suggestion, and hopefully it will bring us closer to who is and who isn't a townie. My analysis of everyone would probably look like a repeat, so I doubt that it's necessary for me to post. POST PLEASE! I agree that Varpilus definitely had the most thorough and seemingly accurate analysis. That still doesn't mean he couldn't be scum. OMGUS Just saying.
Right now, most of my suspicion is on Elmizzt, Sandroba, and Zorkmid. I like how this post states the obvious, pretends to be insightful explains why she won't be adding to the analysis, calls the person suspicious of her scum, and agrees with everybody about who's suspicious, with Zorkmid tacked on. This is not strong town behavior, but it is clever scum behavior. The only remaining post is a challenge to explain why I'm suspicious of her. Consider it answered.
tl;dr
Looks like you spent a lot of time and energy doing that...maybe a little TOO much time and energy. I wish I had the willpower to do something like that.
Anyway, I've absolutely nothing to say about that...mainly because I didn't read it. If you think I'm mafia, go ahead and lynch me, baby. Another townie down, another one to go.
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VarpoliS AND Shcoleosis are both defeatists?
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On April 18 2011 06:05 Forumite wrote:
VarpoliS AND Shcoleosis are both defeatists?
I wouldn't say that exactly. Sometimes it's hard to sense sarcasm through text. Just so you know, I was being very sarcastic. I don't/can't speak for Varpolis, though.
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On April 18 2011 06:05 Shcoleosis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 02:52 VarpuliS wrote:Shcoleosis First things first, I'm going to quote my original analysis. Her early posts have been analysed once, I see no need to go over them again. + Show Spoiler [Previous analysis] +On April 16 2011 08:05 VarpuliS wrote:...And as promised, here is my analysis of Shcoleosis' posts. First post is a response to Eternalmisfit's suggestion to pressure lurkers Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 11:17 Shcoleosis wrote:On April 15 2011 11:12 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Btw I think we should lynch people who are inactive or lurking the boards as it is more likely that they are trying to stay under and radar and avoid suspicion on themselves by barely posting at all. Yeah, that seem logical. We don't want to kill innocent townies, though...It's the mafia we want gone! I highly doubt any mafia would be lurking or inactive when they have chances to kill. But who am I to say...I'm still learning :/ This bolded line is not scummy, it's just stupid. Mafia doesn't kill by talking, they kill by pm'ing GMarshal at night. Mafia needs to avoid drawing attention to itself to prevent themselves from getting lynched. This post in general is pretty worthless, ending with a line that is... strange. This is the first scumtell I can see. She basically says "don't listen to me, i'm new." Townies need to talk and be listened to, not ignored because this is their first game. Only mafia and blues benefit from being ignored, so unless he roleclaims, lets assume scum. Second post comes a little bit later. the post reads: Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 11:41 Shcoleosis wrote:
I'm sure getting rid of the inactive would make the lynching process easier, but I can't help but question the idea of getting rid of people unnecessarily. I'm thinking about it more, and I'm realizing that there's a chance the one we lynch is scum and there's also a chance that he or she might not be scum....no way to tell right now. Hopefully we'll get lucky. This is a post which blends in. It says practically nothing, but appears to be a contribution. Blending in is not something a townie needs to do. +1 scum level. Finally, we've got lucky number 3: Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 13:01 Shcoleosis wrote:On April 15 2011 12:40 Zorkmid wrote:On April 15 2011 11:41 Shcoleosis wrote:
I'm sure getting rid of the inactive would make the lynching process easier, but I can't help but question the idea of getting rid of people unnecessarily. I'm thinking about it more, and I'm realizing that there's a chance the one we lynch is scum and there's also a chance that he or she might not be scum....no way to tell right now. Hopefully we'll get lucky. Why are you trying to protect inactives? Either they're not helping to scumhunt, or they are mafia. Let's hang em all ! Not trying to protect the inactive. I guess I just didn't really understand your logic well. But, hey, if it takes lynching the inactive to get rid of the scum, LET'S DO THIS! Lol Here, Shcoleosis basically says: "you seem to disagree with me... fine, you're right!" Agreeing with everybody else is something that two kinds of players do: - unhelpful townies -because they're just being sheep - mafia -because they're trying to blend in I don't want either in my town come lategame. Based off of this analysis, I'd like to start putting some pressure on Shcoleosis. Until a better target surfaces or she comes up with some good posts later on, I'll put my vote on her. ## Vote Shcoleosis and we now pick up with the next post she writes: On April 16 2011 08:55 Shcoleosis wrote:
Whoa, what? I leave for a few hours and I come back to everyone against me? The last thing I'm trying to do is be falsely accused of something I'm obviously not. I was looking at things from a different point of view in order to help all of us find out who is mafia scum. Then, after I thought about it, I changed my mind a little because I started to see the point. Since I am new to this game, I am trying my best to give my point of view and understand without everyone being paranoid of me. Think of it this way, though, if I were mafia scum, why would I want to disagree with you all? That would make it blatantly obvious that I am scum! This is a bad defense. It's filled with fluff, states the obvious (first bolded line), makes excuses (second bolded line), and calls everybody else paranoid (third bolded line). The actual defense is: "I changed my mind a little, and then decided to agree with you all because if I disagreed, I would stand out as scum." According to this post, disagreeing with the town/not sheeping= scum To me, this is just as scummy as her previous posts. It promotes sheeping and makes lame excuses. Next, she attempts to divert the suspicion to Zorkmid, with this post: On April 16 2011 09:51 Shcoleosis wrote:After reading this thread entirely, here's what I think on the matter: In my opinion, one of the first to accuse is usually the guilty one. The first to accuse you was sandroba, not Zorkmid. Automatically everyone’s opinions are immediately placed under suspicion as the game progresses. That being the case, a mafia member wouldn’t express his opinions as eagerly as he would if he were agreeing with someone else’s. He would, however, be quick to blame, because doing so would divert attention away from himself. I disagree. Mafia would be trying to blend in, by agreeing with the majority and not being conspicuous. On April 15 2011 20:53 Zorkmid wrote:My FoS is on Shcoleosis as well for the same reasons, and will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit's argument about this Zorkmind person. On April 15 2011 20:06 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Also, I think the way Zorkmind is subtly derailing the discussion by talking about less fun in this mafia thread makes me wonder if has a hidden motive. Zorkmid came up with the idea of lynching inactives and lurkers. no, he actually didn't. the first to post in support of lynching inactives was Eternalmisfit That would work out greatly to his advantage if he were part of the mafia since it is more of an opportunity to blend, right? except that he's been extraordinarily active and vocal about his opinions The more we accuse those of having a different opinion, the less of a suspect he seems to be. I am not the first to disagree with him. I am not the first to be accused because I disagreed with him. Notice how Zorkmid says he “will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit’s argument about his Zorkmind person.” Why so defensive, Zorkmid? It's called a joke. people were misspelling his name Perhaps he is afraid of everyone discovering how he is desperately trying to divert attention away from himself. He’s doing a great job of it. I had my suspicions about him early on because he's not only quick to agree with the majority, but he is also quick to blame. I didn't quote any other of his posts, but to me, he acts quite suspicious in most of them. My responses are in red. This post would be a valid defense, except that most of the evidence cited is false. Lying and bending the truth are not the actions of townies looking to identify scum. they are the actions of scum trying to raise suspicion on a townie. Moving on. Shcoleosis now get into an argument with Zorkmid, with each accusing the other of being scum. On April 16 2011 10:12 Shcoleosis wrote:On April 16 2011 10:03 Zorkmid wrote:On April 16 2011 09:51 Shcoleosis wrote:After reading this thread entirely, here's what I think on the matter: In my opinion, one of the first to accuse is usually the guilty one. Automatically everyone’s opinions are immediately placed under suspicion as the game progresses. That being the case, a mafia member wouldn’t express his opinions as eagerly as he would if he were agreeing with someone else’s. He would, however, be quick to blame, because doing so would divert attention away from himself. On April 15 2011 20:53 Zorkmid wrote:My FoS is on Shcoleosis as well for the same reasons, and will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit's argument about this Zorkmind person. On April 15 2011 20:06 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Also, I think the way Zorkmind is subtly derailing the discussion by talking about less fun in this mafia thread makes me wonder if has a hidden motive. Zorkmid came up with the idea of lynching inactives and lurkers. That would work out greatly to his advantage if he were part of the mafia since it is more of an opportunity to blend, right? The more we accuse those of having a different opinion, the less of a suspect he seems to be. I am not the first to disagree with him. I am not the first to be accused because I disagreed with him. Notice how Zorkmid says he “will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit’s argument about his Zorkmind person.” Why so defensive, Zorkmid? Perhaps he is afraid of everyone discovering how he is desperately trying to divert attention away from himself. He’s doing a great job of it. I had my suspicions about him early on because he's not only quick to agree with the majority, but he is also quick to blame. I didn't quote any other of his posts, but to me, he acts quite suspicious in most of them. I've just learned that you should always beware of the person that is the first to agree with a scum read. If I were a mafia I'd be looking for the first opportunity to form a bandwagon against a known townie. Misfit was the first to point the finger at me, and I wanted everyone to wait and watch for the second Question for you Scheleosis......what's your plan to survive tomorrow? I'd say your only bet is to claim blue. ##Vote Scheleosis "If I were a mafia, I'd be looking for the first opportunity to form a bandwagon against a known townie." Uh, Zorkmid, isn't that exactly what you're doing? Wait, isn't that also what you did to Sandroba?? Take a look at the pattern you're creating. On April 15 2011 23:50 Zorkmid wrote:
Because of your slip, I no longer suspect Scholesis.
FoS sandroba
Why explain why your town play is bad and then cite a guide you read that explained it was bad? Exhibit A. Here, Shcoleosis calls Zorkmid's suspicion of sandroba an attempt to bandwagon him, and accuses Zorkmid of bandwagoning her even though he had been suspicious of her previously. Again, misinterpreting evidence to further her goals: This is scummy behavior, and still not a good defense. In her final real post of the debate (people start to notice the lurkers at this point, and a bandwagon starts on Senj) On April 16 2011 10:19 Shcoleosis wrote:On April 16 2011 10:15 Zorkmid wrote:On April 16 2011 10:12 Shcoleosis wrote:On April 16 2011 10:03 Zorkmid wrote:On April 16 2011 09:51 Shcoleosis wrote:After reading this thread entirely, here's what I think on the matter: In my opinion, one of the first to accuse is usually the guilty one. Automatically everyone’s opinions are immediately placed under suspicion as the game progresses. That being the case, a mafia member wouldn’t express his opinions as eagerly as he would if he were agreeing with someone else’s. He would, however, be quick to blame, because doing so would divert attention away from himself. On April 15 2011 20:53 Zorkmid wrote:My FoS is on Shcoleosis as well for the same reasons, and will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit's argument about this Zorkmind person. On April 15 2011 20:06 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Also, I think the way Zorkmind is subtly derailing the discussion by talking about less fun in this mafia thread makes me wonder if has a hidden motive. Zorkmid came up with the idea of lynching inactives and lurkers. That would work out greatly to his advantage if he were part of the mafia since it is more of an opportunity to blend, right? The more we accuse those of having a different opinion, the less of a suspect he seems to be. I am not the first to disagree with him. I am not the first to be accused because I disagreed with him. Notice how Zorkmid says he “will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit’s argument about his Zorkmind person.” Why so defensive, Zorkmid? Perhaps he is afraid of everyone discovering how he is desperately trying to divert attention away from himself. He’s doing a great job of it. I had my suspicions about him early on because he's not only quick to agree with the majority, but he is also quick to blame. I didn't quote any other of his posts, but to me, he acts quite suspicious in most of them. I've just learned that you should always beware of the person that is the first to agree with a scum read. If I were a mafia I'd be looking for the first opportunity to form a bandwagon against a known townie. Misfit was the first to point the finger at me, and I wanted everyone to wait and watch for the second Question for you Scheleosis......what's your plan to survive tomorrow? I'd say your only bet is to claim blue. ##Vote Scheleosis "If I were a mafia, I'd be looking for the first opportunity to form a bandwagon against a known townie." Uh, Zorkmid, isn't that exactly what you're doing? Wait, isn't that also what you did to Sandroba?? Take a look at the pattern you're creating. On April 15 2011 23:50 Zorkmid wrote:
Because of your slip, I no longer suspect Scholesis.
FoS sandroba
Why explain why your town play is bad and then cite a guide you read that explained it was bad? Exhibit A. There's a difference between explaining why bad play is bad, and explaining why good play is good. I've noticed something else about you. You're fickle in your accusations. One minute you're accusing someone of this, and the next you're accusing someone of that. You keep looking for someone to blame. Misfit ..was never among those Zorkmid was suspicous of, Sandroba, Shcoleosis....who is next, Zorkmid? The only reason you are sticking by your argument is because everyone is on your side. You quickly shifted the blame to the next person when you found that no one was backing up your accusation. Actually, he changed his opinion based off of new evidenceLucky for you, you are not the only one suspicious of me. I guarantee you that is the only reason you are sticking by your vote against me. If no one backed you up on this, you would have immediately blamed the next person. To me, that screams nothing but scum....a scum desperately trying to fit in. Once again, mistruths are abound. Two people is not a lot of accusations. The argument here seems... forced. The italicised part at the end has no content. It's just filler. Still not a good argument in my book. This next post is in response to eternalmisfit's post regarding the argument between Shcoleosis and Zorkmid. On April 16 2011 11:26 Shcoleosis wrote:On April 16 2011 10:59 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Just read the recent set of posts and Shcoleosis arguments. Although does she raise at least one point in her defense (i.e. she did not try to agree with what I was saying right away). Nevertheless, I am still a little suspicious of her trying to blend in (and then accusing Zorkmid of being mafia for the same reason).
Apart from her, I do also have some suspicions on Zorkmid who seems to be too finger happy at pointing at others. But, it is hard to say whether this is his usual forum personality or whether he trying to parry away any attention. Sadly, since it is mostly new people here, it is hard to get a read on someone on the basis of posting habits.
Btw, just so that people don't fly under the radar, senj and elmizzit haven't posted anything of substance yet in this thread.
I am going to head to bed now and will read any new arguments made tonight before posting my initial vote tomorrow am.
Eh, everyone's a critic. I don't see how anyone wouldn't defend himself if he's being accused of all the wrong things. Besides, I would think blending in would call for a concession. I'm withholding my vote until I see some more action. This post confuses me. Of course everybody would defend themselves when accused. You're defense just isn't very good. I don't follow the logic behind the bolded part. Could that be explained please? This next post is a pretty clear scumtell to me. On April 17 2011 01:44 Shcoleosis wrote:
Not going to be on much today--It's a Saturday and I've things to do. It looks like I'm about to get lynched, and over the weakest of false reasons. I think my previous posts indicate why I would vote for Zorkmid. However, if Zorkmid, much to my dismay, ends up being anything other than scum, the pressure's going to automatically be on me. I've already had to defend my position as townie once.
Basically I'm doing this to save my ass.
##Vote: Senj The bolded part is the scummiest line I've seen all game. Here, she says "this is why I think Zorkmid's scum" but declines to lynch him, due to the possibility that he could be town. TO me, this indicates a scum who knows that Zorkmid is town, and also knows that if Zorkmid gets lynched, she'll be next. She votes for Senj to avoid pressure and keep the suspicion away from her, because she doesn't want to defend her position. This is a scumtell if ever there was one, and isn't helping her "I'm not scum, Zorkmid is" argument. This brings us to the last post to be analyzed. On April 18 2011 01:36 Shcoleosis wrote:
Regular town behavior can be interpreted as scummy behavior, and scummy behavior can be interpreted as town behavior. So far, I've seen most of you all basing your analysis off of what you assume to be town behavior or what you assume to be scum behavior. That's how this works, yes. We've got nothing to work with but our assumptions. your point? Weak assumptions are just going to get more green and blue people killed. If we want to catch and lynch the mafia, we have to think the way the mafia does. I mean, if you were part of the mafia, wouldn't you want to think like a townie in order to keep from being caught? WIFOM It's a suggestion, and hopefully it will bring us closer to who is and who isn't a townie. My analysis of everyone would probably look like a repeat, so I doubt that it's necessary for me to post. POST PLEASE! I agree that Varpilus definitely had the most thorough and seemingly accurate analysis. That still doesn't mean he couldn't be scum. OMGUS Just saying.
Right now, most of my suspicion is on Elmizzt, Sandroba, and Zorkmid. I like how this post states the obvious, pretends to be insightful explains why she won't be adding to the analysis, calls the person suspicious of her scum, and agrees with everybody about who's suspicious, with Zorkmid tacked on. This is not strong town behavior, but it is clever scum behavior. The only remaining post is a challenge to explain why I'm suspicious of her. Consider it answered. tl;dr Looks like you spent a lot of time and energy doing that...maybe a little TOO much time and energy. I wish I had the willpower to do something like that. Anyway, I've absolutely nothing to say about that...mainly because I didn't read it. If you think I'm mafia, go ahead and lynch me, baby. Another townie down, another one to go.
Forumite, you think I'm mafia when we've got scum posting shit like this? And you said I was giving up on the game? I do think that Shcoleosis is mafia. Why don't we lynch her?
It seems to me that she knows that I'm town, saw my defense, and realized that it might work. So she parroted it.
Even if she isn't mafia --which I doubt-- She's not even reading the analysis people are posting. I don't want somebody like that on my team come LYLO.
This bullshit about me being mafia because i'm the most pro-town player in this game is ridiculous. If I were scum, why would I provide all these tools for the town to use? Why would i make so many posts for people to analyze? Compare me to Shcoleosis.
I ask you all now to be honest.
Who seems more scummy?
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On April 18 2011 04:23 VarpuliS wrote:
Well, If you think that I'm scum, there's probably nothing that I can do to dispel your suspicion. I'm Vanilla town. I've got no powers that I need to protect, only my analysis that will be ignored and discredited if everybody thinks that i'm scum.
I am confident that I've got at least one scum in my list of suspects. A townie for a mafia is a good trade in my book.
In my opinion, there's no doubt that Shcoleosis is a superior choice for the day 2 lynch. I'm sure that some people agree with me. I'm sure that others don't.
I urge you to all to vote for Shcoleosis. I've got multiple analyses to cite as to why. Forumite's got one "mistake" which was simply a miscommunication.
This feels a lot like shoving someone in front of you to dodge a bullet that was obviously meant for you.
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On April 18 2011 03:54 VarpuliS wrote:
ah. I see the misunderstanding here. What I meant to say was "If we do have any blues, we've only got one of each. This was to make it very clear that we must not waste any abilities given to us. If you'd like to lynch me, lynch me. I invite you. It will prove my alignment and deny suspicion in my analyses.
Let me repeat that: If you think i'm scum, go ahead and lynch me.
>.<
wow, what kind of attitude is this...
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On April 18 2011 06:15 VarpuliS wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 06:05 Shcoleosis wrote:On April 18 2011 02:52 VarpuliS wrote:Shcoleosis First things first, I'm going to quote my original analysis. Her early posts have been analysed once, I see no need to go over them again. + Show Spoiler [Previous analysis] +On April 16 2011 08:05 VarpuliS wrote:...And as promised, here is my analysis of Shcoleosis' posts. First post is a response to Eternalmisfit's suggestion to pressure lurkers Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 11:17 Shcoleosis wrote:On April 15 2011 11:12 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Btw I think we should lynch people who are inactive or lurking the boards as it is more likely that they are trying to stay under and radar and avoid suspicion on themselves by barely posting at all. Yeah, that seem logical. We don't want to kill innocent townies, though...It's the mafia we want gone! I highly doubt any mafia would be lurking or inactive when they have chances to kill. But who am I to say...I'm still learning :/ This bolded line is not scummy, it's just stupid. Mafia doesn't kill by talking, they kill by pm'ing GMarshal at night. Mafia needs to avoid drawing attention to itself to prevent themselves from getting lynched. This post in general is pretty worthless, ending with a line that is... strange. This is the first scumtell I can see. She basically says "don't listen to me, i'm new." Townies need to talk and be listened to, not ignored because this is their first game. Only mafia and blues benefit from being ignored, so unless he roleclaims, lets assume scum. Second post comes a little bit later. the post reads: Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 11:41 Shcoleosis wrote:
I'm sure getting rid of the inactive would make the lynching process easier, but I can't help but question the idea of getting rid of people unnecessarily. I'm thinking about it more, and I'm realizing that there's a chance the one we lynch is scum and there's also a chance that he or she might not be scum....no way to tell right now. Hopefully we'll get lucky. This is a post which blends in. It says practically nothing, but appears to be a contribution. Blending in is not something a townie needs to do. +1 scum level. Finally, we've got lucky number 3: Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 13:01 Shcoleosis wrote:On April 15 2011 12:40 Zorkmid wrote:On April 15 2011 11:41 Shcoleosis wrote:
I'm sure getting rid of the inactive would make the lynching process easier, but I can't help but question the idea of getting rid of people unnecessarily. I'm thinking about it more, and I'm realizing that there's a chance the one we lynch is scum and there's also a chance that he or she might not be scum....no way to tell right now. Hopefully we'll get lucky. Why are you trying to protect inactives? Either they're not helping to scumhunt, or they are mafia. Let's hang em all ! Not trying to protect the inactive. I guess I just didn't really understand your logic well. But, hey, if it takes lynching the inactive to get rid of the scum, LET'S DO THIS! Lol Here, Shcoleosis basically says: "you seem to disagree with me... fine, you're right!" Agreeing with everybody else is something that two kinds of players do: - unhelpful townies -because they're just being sheep - mafia -because they're trying to blend in I don't want either in my town come lategame. Based off of this analysis, I'd like to start putting some pressure on Shcoleosis. Until a better target surfaces or she comes up with some good posts later on, I'll put my vote on her. ## Vote Shcoleosis and we now pick up with the next post she writes: On April 16 2011 08:55 Shcoleosis wrote:
Whoa, what? I leave for a few hours and I come back to everyone against me? The last thing I'm trying to do is be falsely accused of something I'm obviously not. I was looking at things from a different point of view in order to help all of us find out who is mafia scum. Then, after I thought about it, I changed my mind a little because I started to see the point. Since I am new to this game, I am trying my best to give my point of view and understand without everyone being paranoid of me. Think of it this way, though, if I were mafia scum, why would I want to disagree with you all? That would make it blatantly obvious that I am scum! This is a bad defense. It's filled with fluff, states the obvious (first bolded line), makes excuses (second bolded line), and calls everybody else paranoid (third bolded line). The actual defense is: "I changed my mind a little, and then decided to agree with you all because if I disagreed, I would stand out as scum." According to this post, disagreeing with the town/not sheeping= scum To me, this is just as scummy as her previous posts. It promotes sheeping and makes lame excuses. Next, she attempts to divert the suspicion to Zorkmid, with this post: On April 16 2011 09:51 Shcoleosis wrote:After reading this thread entirely, here's what I think on the matter: In my opinion, one of the first to accuse is usually the guilty one. The first to accuse you was sandroba, not Zorkmid. Automatically everyone’s opinions are immediately placed under suspicion as the game progresses. That being the case, a mafia member wouldn’t express his opinions as eagerly as he would if he were agreeing with someone else’s. He would, however, be quick to blame, because doing so would divert attention away from himself. I disagree. Mafia would be trying to blend in, by agreeing with the majority and not being conspicuous. On April 15 2011 20:53 Zorkmid wrote:My FoS is on Shcoleosis as well for the same reasons, and will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit's argument about this Zorkmind person. On April 15 2011 20:06 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Also, I think the way Zorkmind is subtly derailing the discussion by talking about less fun in this mafia thread makes me wonder if has a hidden motive. Zorkmid came up with the idea of lynching inactives and lurkers. no, he actually didn't. the first to post in support of lynching inactives was Eternalmisfit That would work out greatly to his advantage if he were part of the mafia since it is more of an opportunity to blend, right? except that he's been extraordinarily active and vocal about his opinions The more we accuse those of having a different opinion, the less of a suspect he seems to be. I am not the first to disagree with him. I am not the first to be accused because I disagreed with him. Notice how Zorkmid says he “will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit’s argument about his Zorkmind person.” Why so defensive, Zorkmid? It's called a joke. people were misspelling his name Perhaps he is afraid of everyone discovering how he is desperately trying to divert attention away from himself. He’s doing a great job of it. I had my suspicions about him early on because he's not only quick to agree with the majority, but he is also quick to blame. I didn't quote any other of his posts, but to me, he acts quite suspicious in most of them. My responses are in red. This post would be a valid defense, except that most of the evidence cited is false. Lying and bending the truth are not the actions of townies looking to identify scum. they are the actions of scum trying to raise suspicion on a townie. Moving on. Shcoleosis now get into an argument with Zorkmid, with each accusing the other of being scum. On April 16 2011 10:12 Shcoleosis wrote:On April 16 2011 10:03 Zorkmid wrote:On April 16 2011 09:51 Shcoleosis wrote:After reading this thread entirely, here's what I think on the matter: In my opinion, one of the first to accuse is usually the guilty one. Automatically everyone’s opinions are immediately placed under suspicion as the game progresses. That being the case, a mafia member wouldn’t express his opinions as eagerly as he would if he were agreeing with someone else’s. He would, however, be quick to blame, because doing so would divert attention away from himself. On April 15 2011 20:53 Zorkmid wrote:My FoS is on Shcoleosis as well for the same reasons, and will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit's argument about this Zorkmind person. On April 15 2011 20:06 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Also, I think the way Zorkmind is subtly derailing the discussion by talking about less fun in this mafia thread makes me wonder if has a hidden motive. Zorkmid came up with the idea of lynching inactives and lurkers. That would work out greatly to his advantage if he were part of the mafia since it is more of an opportunity to blend, right? The more we accuse those of having a different opinion, the less of a suspect he seems to be. I am not the first to disagree with him. I am not the first to be accused because I disagreed with him. Notice how Zorkmid says he “will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit’s argument about his Zorkmind person.” Why so defensive, Zorkmid? Perhaps he is afraid of everyone discovering how he is desperately trying to divert attention away from himself. He’s doing a great job of it. I had my suspicions about him early on because he's not only quick to agree with the majority, but he is also quick to blame. I didn't quote any other of his posts, but to me, he acts quite suspicious in most of them. I've just learned that you should always beware of the person that is the first to agree with a scum read. If I were a mafia I'd be looking for the first opportunity to form a bandwagon against a known townie. Misfit was the first to point the finger at me, and I wanted everyone to wait and watch for the second Question for you Scheleosis......what's your plan to survive tomorrow? I'd say your only bet is to claim blue. ##Vote Scheleosis "If I were a mafia, I'd be looking for the first opportunity to form a bandwagon against a known townie." Uh, Zorkmid, isn't that exactly what you're doing? Wait, isn't that also what you did to Sandroba?? Take a look at the pattern you're creating. On April 15 2011 23:50 Zorkmid wrote:
Because of your slip, I no longer suspect Scholesis.
FoS sandroba
Why explain why your town play is bad and then cite a guide you read that explained it was bad? Exhibit A. Here, Shcoleosis calls Zorkmid's suspicion of sandroba an attempt to bandwagon him, and accuses Zorkmid of bandwagoning her even though he had been suspicious of her previously. Again, misinterpreting evidence to further her goals: This is scummy behavior, and still not a good defense. In her final real post of the debate (people start to notice the lurkers at this point, and a bandwagon starts on Senj) On April 16 2011 10:19 Shcoleosis wrote:On April 16 2011 10:15 Zorkmid wrote:On April 16 2011 10:12 Shcoleosis wrote:On April 16 2011 10:03 Zorkmid wrote:On April 16 2011 09:51 Shcoleosis wrote:After reading this thread entirely, here's what I think on the matter: In my opinion, one of the first to accuse is usually the guilty one. Automatically everyone’s opinions are immediately placed under suspicion as the game progresses. That being the case, a mafia member wouldn’t express his opinions as eagerly as he would if he were agreeing with someone else’s. He would, however, be quick to blame, because doing so would divert attention away from himself. On April 15 2011 20:53 Zorkmid wrote:My FoS is on Shcoleosis as well for the same reasons, and will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit's argument about this Zorkmind person. On April 15 2011 20:06 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Also, I think the way Zorkmind is subtly derailing the discussion by talking about less fun in this mafia thread makes me wonder if has a hidden motive. Zorkmid came up with the idea of lynching inactives and lurkers. That would work out greatly to his advantage if he were part of the mafia since it is more of an opportunity to blend, right? The more we accuse those of having a different opinion, the less of a suspect he seems to be. I am not the first to disagree with him. I am not the first to be accused because I disagreed with him. Notice how Zorkmid says he “will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit’s argument about his Zorkmind person.” Why so defensive, Zorkmid? Perhaps he is afraid of everyone discovering how he is desperately trying to divert attention away from himself. He’s doing a great job of it. I had my suspicions about him early on because he's not only quick to agree with the majority, but he is also quick to blame. I didn't quote any other of his posts, but to me, he acts quite suspicious in most of them. I've just learned that you should always beware of the person that is the first to agree with a scum read. If I were a mafia I'd be looking for the first opportunity to form a bandwagon against a known townie. Misfit was the first to point the finger at me, and I wanted everyone to wait and watch for the second Question for you Scheleosis......what's your plan to survive tomorrow? I'd say your only bet is to claim blue. ##Vote Scheleosis "If I were a mafia, I'd be looking for the first opportunity to form a bandwagon against a known townie." Uh, Zorkmid, isn't that exactly what you're doing? Wait, isn't that also what you did to Sandroba?? Take a look at the pattern you're creating. On April 15 2011 23:50 Zorkmid wrote:
Because of your slip, I no longer suspect Scholesis.
FoS sandroba
Why explain why your town play is bad and then cite a guide you read that explained it was bad? Exhibit A. There's a difference between explaining why bad play is bad, and explaining why good play is good. I've noticed something else about you. You're fickle in your accusations. One minute you're accusing someone of this, and the next you're accusing someone of that. You keep looking for someone to blame. Misfit ..was never among those Zorkmid was suspicous of, Sandroba, Shcoleosis....who is next, Zorkmid? The only reason you are sticking by your argument is because everyone is on your side. You quickly shifted the blame to the next person when you found that no one was backing up your accusation. Actually, he changed his opinion based off of new evidenceLucky for you, you are not the only one suspicious of me. I guarantee you that is the only reason you are sticking by your vote against me. If no one backed you up on this, you would have immediately blamed the next person. To me, that screams nothing but scum....a scum desperately trying to fit in. Once again, mistruths are abound. Two people is not a lot of accusations. The argument here seems... forced. The italicised part at the end has no content. It's just filler. Still not a good argument in my book. This next post is in response to eternalmisfit's post regarding the argument between Shcoleosis and Zorkmid. On April 16 2011 11:26 Shcoleosis wrote:On April 16 2011 10:59 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Just read the recent set of posts and Shcoleosis arguments. Although does she raise at least one point in her defense (i.e. she did not try to agree with what I was saying right away). Nevertheless, I am still a little suspicious of her trying to blend in (and then accusing Zorkmid of being mafia for the same reason).
Apart from her, I do also have some suspicions on Zorkmid who seems to be too finger happy at pointing at others. But, it is hard to say whether this is his usual forum personality or whether he trying to parry away any attention. Sadly, since it is mostly new people here, it is hard to get a read on someone on the basis of posting habits.
Btw, just so that people don't fly under the radar, senj and elmizzit haven't posted anything of substance yet in this thread.
I am going to head to bed now and will read any new arguments made tonight before posting my initial vote tomorrow am.
Eh, everyone's a critic. I don't see how anyone wouldn't defend himself if he's being accused of all the wrong things. Besides, I would think blending in would call for a concession. I'm withholding my vote until I see some more action. This post confuses me. Of course everybody would defend themselves when accused. You're defense just isn't very good. I don't follow the logic behind the bolded part. Could that be explained please? This next post is a pretty clear scumtell to me. On April 17 2011 01:44 Shcoleosis wrote:
Not going to be on much today--It's a Saturday and I've things to do. It looks like I'm about to get lynched, and over the weakest of false reasons. I think my previous posts indicate why I would vote for Zorkmid. However, if Zorkmid, much to my dismay, ends up being anything other than scum, the pressure's going to automatically be on me. I've already had to defend my position as townie once.
Basically I'm doing this to save my ass.
##Vote: Senj The bolded part is the scummiest line I've seen all game. Here, she says "this is why I think Zorkmid's scum" but declines to lynch him, due to the possibility that he could be town. TO me, this indicates a scum who knows that Zorkmid is town, and also knows that if Zorkmid gets lynched, she'll be next. She votes for Senj to avoid pressure and keep the suspicion away from her, because she doesn't want to defend her position. This is a scumtell if ever there was one, and isn't helping her "I'm not scum, Zorkmid is" argument. This brings us to the last post to be analyzed. On April 18 2011 01:36 Shcoleosis wrote:
Regular town behavior can be interpreted as scummy behavior, and scummy behavior can be interpreted as town behavior. So far, I've seen most of you all basing your analysis off of what you assume to be town behavior or what you assume to be scum behavior. That's how this works, yes. We've got nothing to work with but our assumptions. your point? Weak assumptions are just going to get more green and blue people killed. If we want to catch and lynch the mafia, we have to think the way the mafia does. I mean, if you were part of the mafia, wouldn't you want to think like a townie in order to keep from being caught? WIFOM It's a suggestion, and hopefully it will bring us closer to who is and who isn't a townie. My analysis of everyone would probably look like a repeat, so I doubt that it's necessary for me to post. POST PLEASE! I agree that Varpilus definitely had the most thorough and seemingly accurate analysis. That still doesn't mean he couldn't be scum. OMGUS Just saying.
Right now, most of my suspicion is on Elmizzt, Sandroba, and Zorkmid. I like how this post states the obvious, pretends to be insightful explains why she won't be adding to the analysis, calls the person suspicious of her scum, and agrees with everybody about who's suspicious, with Zorkmid tacked on. This is not strong town behavior, but it is clever scum behavior. The only remaining post is a challenge to explain why I'm suspicious of her. Consider it answered. tl;dr Looks like you spent a lot of time and energy doing that...maybe a little TOO much time and energy. I wish I had the willpower to do something like that. Anyway, I've absolutely nothing to say about that...mainly because I didn't read it. If you think I'm mafia, go ahead and lynch me, baby. Another townie down, another one to go. Forumite, you think I'm mafia when we've got scum posting shit like this? And you said I was giving up on the game? I do think that Shcoleosis is mafia. Why don't we lynch her? It seems to me that she knows that I'm town, saw my defense, and realized that it might work. So she parroted it. Even if she isn't mafia --which I doubt-- She's not even reading the analysis people are posting. I don't want somebody like that on my team come LYLO. This bullshit about me being mafia because i'm the most pro-town player in this game is ridiculous. If I were scum, why would I provide all these tools for the town to use? Why would i make so many posts for people to analyze? Compare me to Shcoleosis. I ask you all now to be honest. Who seems more scummy?
Correction: I'm not reading YOUR long-winded analysis. I'm pretty embarrassed for you because you're wasting your time. A lot of it.
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I'd like to make something clear: Lynching me is not a good idea. Lynching me is a waste of a lynch. I want to live, and see this one through till the end. If people are dead set on lynching me however, I recognize that there isn't much that I can do to stop them.
I don't want people to want to lynch me. I show that by being active, helpful, and pro-town.
If helping the town makes me scum, then what makes me town?
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On April 18 2011 06:18 VarpuliS wrote:
I'd like to make something clear: Lynching me is not a good idea. Lynching me is a waste of a lynch. I want to live, and see this one through till the end. If people are dead set on lynching me however, I recognize that there isn't much that I can do to stop them.
I don't want people to want to lynch me. I show that by being active, helpful, and pro-town.
If helping the town makes me scum, then what makes me town?
Wow, so your bluff failed, now you're backpedaling so fast, you're going backwards in time.
FOS: VarpuliS
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On April 18 2011 06:17 Shcoleosis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 06:15 VarpuliS wrote:On April 18 2011 06:05 Shcoleosis wrote:On April 18 2011 02:52 VarpuliS wrote:Shcoleosis First things first, I'm going to quote my original analysis. Her early posts have been analysed once, I see no need to go over them again. + Show Spoiler [Previous analysis] +On April 16 2011 08:05 VarpuliS wrote:...And as promised, here is my analysis of Shcoleosis' posts. First post is a response to Eternalmisfit's suggestion to pressure lurkers Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 11:17 Shcoleosis wrote:On April 15 2011 11:12 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Btw I think we should lynch people who are inactive or lurking the boards as it is more likely that they are trying to stay under and radar and avoid suspicion on themselves by barely posting at all. Yeah, that seem logical. We don't want to kill innocent townies, though...It's the mafia we want gone! I highly doubt any mafia would be lurking or inactive when they have chances to kill. But who am I to say...I'm still learning :/ This bolded line is not scummy, it's just stupid. Mafia doesn't kill by talking, they kill by pm'ing GMarshal at night. Mafia needs to avoid drawing attention to itself to prevent themselves from getting lynched. This post in general is pretty worthless, ending with a line that is... strange. This is the first scumtell I can see. She basically says "don't listen to me, i'm new." Townies need to talk and be listened to, not ignored because this is their first game. Only mafia and blues benefit from being ignored, so unless he roleclaims, lets assume scum. Second post comes a little bit later. the post reads: Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 11:41 Shcoleosis wrote:
I'm sure getting rid of the inactive would make the lynching process easier, but I can't help but question the idea of getting rid of people unnecessarily. I'm thinking about it more, and I'm realizing that there's a chance the one we lynch is scum and there's also a chance that he or she might not be scum....no way to tell right now. Hopefully we'll get lucky. This is a post which blends in. It says practically nothing, but appears to be a contribution. Blending in is not something a townie needs to do. +1 scum level. Finally, we've got lucky number 3: Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 13:01 Shcoleosis wrote:On April 15 2011 12:40 Zorkmid wrote:On April 15 2011 11:41 Shcoleosis wrote:
I'm sure getting rid of the inactive would make the lynching process easier, but I can't help but question the idea of getting rid of people unnecessarily. I'm thinking about it more, and I'm realizing that there's a chance the one we lynch is scum and there's also a chance that he or she might not be scum....no way to tell right now. Hopefully we'll get lucky. Why are you trying to protect inactives? Either they're not helping to scumhunt, or they are mafia. Let's hang em all ! Not trying to protect the inactive. I guess I just didn't really understand your logic well. But, hey, if it takes lynching the inactive to get rid of the scum, LET'S DO THIS! Lol Here, Shcoleosis basically says: "you seem to disagree with me... fine, you're right!" Agreeing with everybody else is something that two kinds of players do: - unhelpful townies -because they're just being sheep - mafia -because they're trying to blend in I don't want either in my town come lategame. Based off of this analysis, I'd like to start putting some pressure on Shcoleosis. Until a better target surfaces or she comes up with some good posts later on, I'll put my vote on her. ## Vote Shcoleosis and we now pick up with the next post she writes: On April 16 2011 08:55 Shcoleosis wrote:
Whoa, what? I leave for a few hours and I come back to everyone against me? The last thing I'm trying to do is be falsely accused of something I'm obviously not. I was looking at things from a different point of view in order to help all of us find out who is mafia scum. Then, after I thought about it, I changed my mind a little because I started to see the point. Since I am new to this game, I am trying my best to give my point of view and understand without everyone being paranoid of me. Think of it this way, though, if I were mafia scum, why would I want to disagree with you all? That would make it blatantly obvious that I am scum! This is a bad defense. It's filled with fluff, states the obvious (first bolded line), makes excuses (second bolded line), and calls everybody else paranoid (third bolded line). The actual defense is: "I changed my mind a little, and then decided to agree with you all because if I disagreed, I would stand out as scum." According to this post, disagreeing with the town/not sheeping= scum To me, this is just as scummy as her previous posts. It promotes sheeping and makes lame excuses. Next, she attempts to divert the suspicion to Zorkmid, with this post: On April 16 2011 09:51 Shcoleosis wrote:After reading this thread entirely, here's what I think on the matter: In my opinion, one of the first to accuse is usually the guilty one. The first to accuse you was sandroba, not Zorkmid. Automatically everyone’s opinions are immediately placed under suspicion as the game progresses. That being the case, a mafia member wouldn’t express his opinions as eagerly as he would if he were agreeing with someone else’s. He would, however, be quick to blame, because doing so would divert attention away from himself. I disagree. Mafia would be trying to blend in, by agreeing with the majority and not being conspicuous. On April 15 2011 20:53 Zorkmid wrote:My FoS is on Shcoleosis as well for the same reasons, and will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit's argument about this Zorkmind person. On April 15 2011 20:06 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Also, I think the way Zorkmind is subtly derailing the discussion by talking about less fun in this mafia thread makes me wonder if has a hidden motive. Zorkmid came up with the idea of lynching inactives and lurkers. no, he actually didn't. the first to post in support of lynching inactives was Eternalmisfit That would work out greatly to his advantage if he were part of the mafia since it is more of an opportunity to blend, right? except that he's been extraordinarily active and vocal about his opinions The more we accuse those of having a different opinion, the less of a suspect he seems to be. I am not the first to disagree with him. I am not the first to be accused because I disagreed with him. Notice how Zorkmid says he “will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit’s argument about his Zorkmind person.” Why so defensive, Zorkmid? It's called a joke. people were misspelling his name Perhaps he is afraid of everyone discovering how he is desperately trying to divert attention away from himself. He’s doing a great job of it. I had my suspicions about him early on because he's not only quick to agree with the majority, but he is also quick to blame. I didn't quote any other of his posts, but to me, he acts quite suspicious in most of them. My responses are in red. This post would be a valid defense, except that most of the evidence cited is false. Lying and bending the truth are not the actions of townies looking to identify scum. they are the actions of scum trying to raise suspicion on a townie. Moving on. Shcoleosis now get into an argument with Zorkmid, with each accusing the other of being scum. On April 16 2011 10:12 Shcoleosis wrote:On April 16 2011 10:03 Zorkmid wrote:On April 16 2011 09:51 Shcoleosis wrote:After reading this thread entirely, here's what I think on the matter: In my opinion, one of the first to accuse is usually the guilty one. Automatically everyone’s opinions are immediately placed under suspicion as the game progresses. That being the case, a mafia member wouldn’t express his opinions as eagerly as he would if he were agreeing with someone else’s. He would, however, be quick to blame, because doing so would divert attention away from himself. On April 15 2011 20:53 Zorkmid wrote:My FoS is on Shcoleosis as well for the same reasons, and will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit's argument about this Zorkmind person. On April 15 2011 20:06 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Also, I think the way Zorkmind is subtly derailing the discussion by talking about less fun in this mafia thread makes me wonder if has a hidden motive. Zorkmid came up with the idea of lynching inactives and lurkers. That would work out greatly to his advantage if he were part of the mafia since it is more of an opportunity to blend, right? The more we accuse those of having a different opinion, the less of a suspect he seems to be. I am not the first to disagree with him. I am not the first to be accused because I disagreed with him. Notice how Zorkmid says he “will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit’s argument about his Zorkmind person.” Why so defensive, Zorkmid? Perhaps he is afraid of everyone discovering how he is desperately trying to divert attention away from himself. He’s doing a great job of it. I had my suspicions about him early on because he's not only quick to agree with the majority, but he is also quick to blame. I didn't quote any other of his posts, but to me, he acts quite suspicious in most of them. I've just learned that you should always beware of the person that is the first to agree with a scum read. If I were a mafia I'd be looking for the first opportunity to form a bandwagon against a known townie. Misfit was the first to point the finger at me, and I wanted everyone to wait and watch for the second Question for you Scheleosis......what's your plan to survive tomorrow? I'd say your only bet is to claim blue. ##Vote Scheleosis "If I were a mafia, I'd be looking for the first opportunity to form a bandwagon against a known townie." Uh, Zorkmid, isn't that exactly what you're doing? Wait, isn't that also what you did to Sandroba?? Take a look at the pattern you're creating. On April 15 2011 23:50 Zorkmid wrote:
Because of your slip, I no longer suspect Scholesis.
FoS sandroba
Why explain why your town play is bad and then cite a guide you read that explained it was bad? Exhibit A. Here, Shcoleosis calls Zorkmid's suspicion of sandroba an attempt to bandwagon him, and accuses Zorkmid of bandwagoning her even though he had been suspicious of her previously. Again, misinterpreting evidence to further her goals: This is scummy behavior, and still not a good defense. In her final real post of the debate (people start to notice the lurkers at this point, and a bandwagon starts on Senj) On April 16 2011 10:19 Shcoleosis wrote:On April 16 2011 10:15 Zorkmid wrote:On April 16 2011 10:12 Shcoleosis wrote:On April 16 2011 10:03 Zorkmid wrote:On April 16 2011 09:51 Shcoleosis wrote:After reading this thread entirely, here's what I think on the matter: In my opinion, one of the first to accuse is usually the guilty one. Automatically everyone’s opinions are immediately placed under suspicion as the game progresses. That being the case, a mafia member wouldn’t express his opinions as eagerly as he would if he were agreeing with someone else’s. He would, however, be quick to blame, because doing so would divert attention away from himself. On April 15 2011 20:53 Zorkmid wrote:
My FoS is on Shcoleosis as well for the same reasons, and will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit's argument about this Zorkmind person.
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Zorkmid came up with the idea of lynching inactives and lurkers. That would work out greatly to his advantage if he were part of the mafia since it is more of an opportunity to blend, right? The more we accuse those of having a different opinion, the less of a suspect he seems to be. I am not the first to disagree with him. I am not the first to be accused because I disagreed with him. Notice how Zorkmid says he “will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit’s argument about his Zorkmind person.” Why so defensive, Zorkmid? Perhaps he is afraid of everyone discovering how he is desperately trying to divert attention away from himself. He’s doing a great job of it. I had my suspicions about him early on because he's not only quick to agree with the majority, but he is also quick to blame. I didn't quote any other of his posts, but to me, he acts quite suspicious in most of them. I've just learned that you should always beware of the person that is the first to agree with a scum read. If I were a mafia I'd be looking for the first opportunity to form a bandwagon against a known townie. Misfit was the first to point the finger at me, and I wanted everyone to wait and watch for the second Question for you Scheleosis......what's your plan to survive tomorrow? I'd say your only bet is to claim blue. ##Vote Scheleosis "If I were a mafia, I'd be looking for the first opportunity to form a bandwagon against a known townie." Uh, Zorkmid, isn't that exactly what you're doing? Wait, isn't that also what you did to Sandroba?? Take a look at the pattern you're creating. On April 15 2011 23:50 Zorkmid wrote:
Because of your slip, I no longer suspect Scholesis.
FoS sandroba
Why explain why your town play is bad and then cite a guide you read that explained it was bad? Exhibit A. There's a difference between explaining why bad play is bad, and explaining why good play is good. I've noticed something else about you. You're fickle in your accusations. One minute you're accusing someone of this, and the next you're accusing someone of that. You keep looking for someone to blame. Misfit ..was never among those Zorkmid was suspicous of, Sandroba, Shcoleosis....who is next, Zorkmid? The only reason you are sticking by your argument is because everyone is on your side. You quickly shifted the blame to the next person when you found that no one was backing up your accusation. Actually, he changed his opinion based off of new evidenceLucky for you, you are not the only one suspicious of me. I guarantee you that is the only reason you are sticking by your vote against me. If no one backed you up on this, you would have immediately blamed the next person. To me, that screams nothing but scum....a scum desperately trying to fit in. Once again, mistruths are abound. Two people is not a lot of accusations. The argument here seems... forced. The italicised part at the end has no content. It's just filler. Still not a good argument in my book. This next post is in response to eternalmisfit's post regarding the argument between Shcoleosis and Zorkmid. On April 16 2011 11:26 Shcoleosis wrote:On April 16 2011 10:59 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Just read the recent set of posts and Shcoleosis arguments. Although does she raise at least one point in her defense (i.e. she did not try to agree with what I was saying right away). Nevertheless, I am still a little suspicious of her trying to blend in (and then accusing Zorkmid of being mafia for the same reason).
Apart from her, I do also have some suspicions on Zorkmid who seems to be too finger happy at pointing at others. But, it is hard to say whether this is his usual forum personality or whether he trying to parry away any attention. Sadly, since it is mostly new people here, it is hard to get a read on someone on the basis of posting habits.
Btw, just so that people don't fly under the radar, senj and elmizzit haven't posted anything of substance yet in this thread.
I am going to head to bed now and will read any new arguments made tonight before posting my initial vote tomorrow am.
Eh, everyone's a critic. I don't see how anyone wouldn't defend himself if he's being accused of all the wrong things. Besides, I would think blending in would call for a concession. I'm withholding my vote until I see some more action. This post confuses me. Of course everybody would defend themselves when accused. You're defense just isn't very good. I don't follow the logic behind the bolded part. Could that be explained please? This next post is a pretty clear scumtell to me. On April 17 2011 01:44 Shcoleosis wrote:
Not going to be on much today--It's a Saturday and I've things to do. It looks like I'm about to get lynched, and over the weakest of false reasons. I think my previous posts indicate why I would vote for Zorkmid. However, if Zorkmid, much to my dismay, ends up being anything other than scum, the pressure's going to automatically be on me. I've already had to defend my position as townie once.
Basically I'm doing this to save my ass.
##Vote: Senj The bolded part is the scummiest line I've seen all game. Here, she says "this is why I think Zorkmid's scum" but declines to lynch him, due to the possibility that he could be town. TO me, this indicates a scum who knows that Zorkmid is town, and also knows that if Zorkmid gets lynched, she'll be next. She votes for Senj to avoid pressure and keep the suspicion away from her, because she doesn't want to defend her position. This is a scumtell if ever there was one, and isn't helping her "I'm not scum, Zorkmid is" argument. This brings us to the last post to be analyzed. On April 18 2011 01:36 Shcoleosis wrote:
Regular town behavior can be interpreted as scummy behavior, and scummy behavior can be interpreted as town behavior. So far, I've seen most of you all basing your analysis off of what you assume to be town behavior or what you assume to be scum behavior. That's how this works, yes. We've got nothing to work with but our assumptions. your point? Weak assumptions are just going to get more green and blue people killed. If we want to catch and lynch the mafia, we have to think the way the mafia does. I mean, if you were part of the mafia, wouldn't you want to think like a townie in order to keep from being caught? WIFOM It's a suggestion, and hopefully it will bring us closer to who is and who isn't a townie. My analysis of everyone would probably look like a repeat, so I doubt that it's necessary for me to post. POST PLEASE! I agree that Varpilus definitely had the most thorough and seemingly accurate analysis. That still doesn't mean he couldn't be scum. OMGUS Just saying.
Right now, most of my suspicion is on Elmizzt, Sandroba, and Zorkmid. I like how this post states the obvious, pretends to be insightful explains why she won't be adding to the analysis, calls the person suspicious of her scum, and agrees with everybody about who's suspicious, with Zorkmid tacked on. This is not strong town behavior, but it is clever scum behavior. The only remaining post is a challenge to explain why I'm suspicious of her. Consider it answered. tl;dr Looks like you spent a lot of time and energy doing that...maybe a little TOO much time and energy. I wish I had the willpower to do something like that. Anyway, I've absolutely nothing to say about that...mainly because I didn't read it. If you think I'm mafia, go ahead and lynch me, baby. Another townie down, another one to go. Forumite, you think I'm mafia when we've got scum posting shit like this? And you said I was giving up on the game? I do think that Shcoleosis is mafia. Why don't we lynch her? It seems to me that she knows that I'm town, saw my defense, and realized that it might work. So she parroted it. Even if she isn't mafia --which I doubt-- She's not even reading the analysis people are posting. I don't want somebody like that on my team come LYLO. This bullshit about me being mafia because i'm the most pro-town player in this game is ridiculous. If I were scum, why would I provide all these tools for the town to use? Why would i make so many posts for people to analyze? Compare me to Shcoleosis. I ask you all now to be honest. Who seems more scummy? Correction: I'm not reading YOUR long-winded analysis. I'm pretty embarrassed for you because you're wasting your time. A lot of it.
ninja'd while I wrote my last post. wow... just... wow. You seem less pro-town with every post you make. I hope others see this as well.
At this point you don't even have to be scum, I still think you'd make a nice lynch target.
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On April 18 2011 06:22 VarpuliS wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 06:17 Shcoleosis wrote:On April 18 2011 06:15 VarpuliS wrote:On April 18 2011 06:05 Shcoleosis wrote:On April 18 2011 02:52 VarpuliS wrote:Shcoleosis First things first, I'm going to quote my original analysis. Her early posts have been analysed once, I see no need to go over them again. + Show Spoiler [Previous analysis] +On April 16 2011 08:05 VarpuliS wrote:...And as promised, here is my analysis of Shcoleosis' posts. First post is a response to Eternalmisfit's suggestion to pressure lurkers Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 11:17 Shcoleosis wrote:On April 15 2011 11:12 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Btw I think we should lynch people who are inactive or lurking the boards as it is more likely that they are trying to stay under and radar and avoid suspicion on themselves by barely posting at all. Yeah, that seem logical. We don't want to kill innocent townies, though...It's the mafia we want gone! I highly doubt any mafia would be lurking or inactive when they have chances to kill. But who am I to say...I'm still learning :/ This bolded line is not scummy, it's just stupid. Mafia doesn't kill by talking, they kill by pm'ing GMarshal at night. Mafia needs to avoid drawing attention to itself to prevent themselves from getting lynched. This post in general is pretty worthless, ending with a line that is... strange. This is the first scumtell I can see. She basically says "don't listen to me, i'm new." Townies need to talk and be listened to, not ignored because this is their first game. Only mafia and blues benefit from being ignored, so unless he roleclaims, lets assume scum. Second post comes a little bit later. the post reads: Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 11:41 Shcoleosis wrote:
I'm sure getting rid of the inactive would make the lynching process easier, but I can't help but question the idea of getting rid of people unnecessarily. I'm thinking about it more, and I'm realizing that there's a chance the one we lynch is scum and there's also a chance that he or she might not be scum....no way to tell right now. Hopefully we'll get lucky. This is a post which blends in. It says practically nothing, but appears to be a contribution. Blending in is not something a townie needs to do. +1 scum level. Finally, we've got lucky number 3: Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 13:01 Shcoleosis wrote:On April 15 2011 12:40 Zorkmid wrote:On April 15 2011 11:41 Shcoleosis wrote:
I'm sure getting rid of the inactive would make the lynching process easier, but I can't help but question the idea of getting rid of people unnecessarily. I'm thinking about it more, and I'm realizing that there's a chance the one we lynch is scum and there's also a chance that he or she might not be scum....no way to tell right now. Hopefully we'll get lucky. Why are you trying to protect inactives? Either they're not helping to scumhunt, or they are mafia. Let's hang em all ! Not trying to protect the inactive. I guess I just didn't really understand your logic well. But, hey, if it takes lynching the inactive to get rid of the scum, LET'S DO THIS! Lol Here, Shcoleosis basically says: "you seem to disagree with me... fine, you're right!" Agreeing with everybody else is something that two kinds of players do: - unhelpful townies -because they're just being sheep - mafia -because they're trying to blend in I don't want either in my town come lategame. Based off of this analysis, I'd like to start putting some pressure on Shcoleosis. Until a better target surfaces or she comes up with some good posts later on, I'll put my vote on her. ## Vote Shcoleosis and we now pick up with the next post she writes: On April 16 2011 08:55 Shcoleosis wrote:
Whoa, what? I leave for a few hours and I come back to everyone against me? The last thing I'm trying to do is be falsely accused of something I'm obviously not. I was looking at things from a different point of view in order to help all of us find out who is mafia scum. Then, after I thought about it, I changed my mind a little because I started to see the point. Since I am new to this game, I am trying my best to give my point of view and understand without everyone being paranoid of me. Think of it this way, though, if I were mafia scum, why would I want to disagree with you all? That would make it blatantly obvious that I am scum! This is a bad defense. It's filled with fluff, states the obvious (first bolded line), makes excuses (second bolded line), and calls everybody else paranoid (third bolded line). The actual defense is: "I changed my mind a little, and then decided to agree with you all because if I disagreed, I would stand out as scum." According to this post, disagreeing with the town/not sheeping= scum To me, this is just as scummy as her previous posts. It promotes sheeping and makes lame excuses. Next, she attempts to divert the suspicion to Zorkmid, with this post: On April 16 2011 09:51 Shcoleosis wrote:After reading this thread entirely, here's what I think on the matter: In my opinion, one of the first to accuse is usually the guilty one. The first to accuse you was sandroba, not Zorkmid. Automatically everyone’s opinions are immediately placed under suspicion as the game progresses. That being the case, a mafia member wouldn’t express his opinions as eagerly as he would if he were agreeing with someone else’s. He would, however, be quick to blame, because doing so would divert attention away from himself. I disagree. Mafia would be trying to blend in, by agreeing with the majority and not being conspicuous. On April 15 2011 20:53 Zorkmid wrote:My FoS is on Shcoleosis as well for the same reasons, and will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit's argument about this Zorkmind person. On April 15 2011 20:06 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Also, I think the way Zorkmind is subtly derailing the discussion by talking about less fun in this mafia thread makes me wonder if has a hidden motive. Zorkmid came up with the idea of lynching inactives and lurkers. no, he actually didn't. the first to post in support of lynching inactives was Eternalmisfit That would work out greatly to his advantage if he were part of the mafia since it is more of an opportunity to blend, right? except that he's been extraordinarily active and vocal about his opinions The more we accuse those of having a different opinion, the less of a suspect he seems to be. I am not the first to disagree with him. I am not the first to be accused because I disagreed with him. Notice how Zorkmid says he “will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit’s argument about his Zorkmind person.” Why so defensive, Zorkmid? It's called a joke. people were misspelling his name Perhaps he is afraid of everyone discovering how he is desperately trying to divert attention away from himself. He’s doing a great job of it. I had my suspicions about him early on because he's not only quick to agree with the majority, but he is also quick to blame. I didn't quote any other of his posts, but to me, he acts quite suspicious in most of them. My responses are in red. This post would be a valid defense, except that most of the evidence cited is false. Lying and bending the truth are not the actions of townies looking to identify scum. they are the actions of scum trying to raise suspicion on a townie. Moving on. Shcoleosis now get into an argument with Zorkmid, with each accusing the other of being scum. On April 16 2011 10:12 Shcoleosis wrote:On April 16 2011 10:03 Zorkmid wrote:On April 16 2011 09:51 Shcoleosis wrote:After reading this thread entirely, here's what I think on the matter: In my opinion, one of the first to accuse is usually the guilty one. Automatically everyone’s opinions are immediately placed under suspicion as the game progresses. That being the case, a mafia member wouldn’t express his opinions as eagerly as he would if he were agreeing with someone else’s. He would, however, be quick to blame, because doing so would divert attention away from himself. On April 15 2011 20:53 Zorkmid wrote:My FoS is on Shcoleosis as well for the same reasons, and will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit's argument about this Zorkmind person. On April 15 2011 20:06 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Also, I think the way Zorkmind is subtly derailing the discussion by talking about less fun in this mafia thread makes me wonder if has a hidden motive. Zorkmid came up with the idea of lynching inactives and lurkers. That would work out greatly to his advantage if he were part of the mafia since it is more of an opportunity to blend, right? The more we accuse those of having a different opinion, the less of a suspect he seems to be. I am not the first to disagree with him. I am not the first to be accused because I disagreed with him. Notice how Zorkmid says he “will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit’s argument about his Zorkmind person.” Why so defensive, Zorkmid? Perhaps he is afraid of everyone discovering how he is desperately trying to divert attention away from himself. He’s doing a great job of it. I had my suspicions about him early on because he's not only quick to agree with the majority, but he is also quick to blame. I didn't quote any other of his posts, but to me, he acts quite suspicious in most of them. I've just learned that you should always beware of the person that is the first to agree with a scum read. If I were a mafia I'd be looking for the first opportunity to form a bandwagon against a known townie. Misfit was the first to point the finger at me, and I wanted everyone to wait and watch for the second Question for you Scheleosis......what's your plan to survive tomorrow? I'd say your only bet is to claim blue. ##Vote Scheleosis "If I were a mafia, I'd be looking for the first opportunity to form a bandwagon against a known townie." Uh, Zorkmid, isn't that exactly what you're doing? Wait, isn't that also what you did to Sandroba?? Take a look at the pattern you're creating. On April 15 2011 23:50 Zorkmid wrote:
Because of your slip, I no longer suspect Scholesis.
FoS sandroba
Why explain why your town play is bad and then cite a guide you read that explained it was bad? Exhibit A. Here, Shcoleosis calls Zorkmid's suspicion of sandroba an attempt to bandwagon him, and accuses Zorkmid of bandwagoning her even though he had been suspicious of her previously. Again, misinterpreting evidence to further her goals: This is scummy behavior, and still not a good defense. In her final real post of the debate (people start to notice the lurkers at this point, and a bandwagon starts on Senj) On April 16 2011 10:19 Shcoleosis wrote:On April 16 2011 10:15 Zorkmid wrote:On April 16 2011 10:12 Shcoleosis wrote:On April 16 2011 10:03 Zorkmid wrote:On April 16 2011 09:51 Shcoleosis wrote:
After reading this thread entirely, here's what I think on the matter:
In my opinion, one of the first to accuse is usually the guilty one. Automatically everyone’s opinions are immediately placed under suspicion as the game progresses. That being the case, a mafia member wouldn’t express his opinions as eagerly as he would if he were agreeing with someone else’s. He would, however, be quick to blame, because doing so would divert attention away from himself.
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Zorkmid came up with the idea of lynching inactives and lurkers. That would work out greatly to his advantage if he were part of the mafia since it is more of an opportunity to blend, right? The more we accuse those of having a different opinion, the less of a suspect he seems to be. I am not the first to disagree with him. I am not the first to be accused because I disagreed with him. Notice how Zorkmid says he “will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit’s argument about his Zorkmind person.” Why so defensive, Zorkmid? Perhaps he is afraid of everyone discovering how he is desperately trying to divert attention away from himself. He’s doing a great job of it. I had my suspicions about him early on because he's not only quick to agree with the majority, but he is also quick to blame. I didn't quote any other of his posts, but to me, he acts quite suspicious in most of them.
I've just learned that you should always beware of the person that is the first to agree with a scum read. If I were a mafia I'd be looking for the first opportunity to form a bandwagon against a known townie. Misfit was the first to point the finger at me, and I wanted everyone to wait and watch for the second Question for you Scheleosis......what's your plan to survive tomorrow? I'd say your only bet is to claim blue. ##Vote Scheleosis "If I were a mafia, I'd be looking for the first opportunity to form a bandwagon against a known townie." Uh, Zorkmid, isn't that exactly what you're doing? Wait, isn't that also what you did to Sandroba?? Take a look at the pattern you're creating. On April 15 2011 23:50 Zorkmid wrote:
Because of your slip, I no longer suspect Scholesis.
FoS sandroba
Why explain why your town play is bad and then cite a guide you read that explained it was bad? Exhibit A. There's a difference between explaining why bad play is bad, and explaining why good play is good. I've noticed something else about you. You're fickle in your accusations. One minute you're accusing someone of this, and the next you're accusing someone of that. You keep looking for someone to blame. Misfit ..was never among those Zorkmid was suspicous of, Sandroba, Shcoleosis....who is next, Zorkmid? The only reason you are sticking by your argument is because everyone is on your side. You quickly shifted the blame to the next person when you found that no one was backing up your accusation. Actually, he changed his opinion based off of new evidenceLucky for you, you are not the only one suspicious of me. I guarantee you that is the only reason you are sticking by your vote against me. If no one backed you up on this, you would have immediately blamed the next person. To me, that screams nothing but scum....a scum desperately trying to fit in. Once again, mistruths are abound. Two people is not a lot of accusations. The argument here seems... forced. The italicised part at the end has no content. It's just filler. Still not a good argument in my book. This next post is in response to eternalmisfit's post regarding the argument between Shcoleosis and Zorkmid. On April 16 2011 11:26 Shcoleosis wrote:On April 16 2011 10:59 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Just read the recent set of posts and Shcoleosis arguments. Although does she raise at least one point in her defense (i.e. she did not try to agree with what I was saying right away). Nevertheless, I am still a little suspicious of her trying to blend in (and then accusing Zorkmid of being mafia for the same reason).
Apart from her, I do also have some suspicions on Zorkmid who seems to be too finger happy at pointing at others. But, it is hard to say whether this is his usual forum personality or whether he trying to parry away any attention. Sadly, since it is mostly new people here, it is hard to get a read on someone on the basis of posting habits.
Btw, just so that people don't fly under the radar, senj and elmizzit haven't posted anything of substance yet in this thread.
I am going to head to bed now and will read any new arguments made tonight before posting my initial vote tomorrow am.
Eh, everyone's a critic. I don't see how anyone wouldn't defend himself if he's being accused of all the wrong things. Besides, I would think blending in would call for a concession. I'm withholding my vote until I see some more action. This post confuses me. Of course everybody would defend themselves when accused. You're defense just isn't very good. I don't follow the logic behind the bolded part. Could that be explained please? This next post is a pretty clear scumtell to me. On April 17 2011 01:44 Shcoleosis wrote:
Not going to be on much today--It's a Saturday and I've things to do. It looks like I'm about to get lynched, and over the weakest of false reasons. I think my previous posts indicate why I would vote for Zorkmid. However, if Zorkmid, much to my dismay, ends up being anything other than scum, the pressure's going to automatically be on me. I've already had to defend my position as townie once.
Basically I'm doing this to save my ass.
##Vote: Senj The bolded part is the scummiest line I've seen all game. Here, she says "this is why I think Zorkmid's scum" but declines to lynch him, due to the possibility that he could be town. TO me, this indicates a scum who knows that Zorkmid is town, and also knows that if Zorkmid gets lynched, she'll be next. She votes for Senj to avoid pressure and keep the suspicion away from her, because she doesn't want to defend her position. This is a scumtell if ever there was one, and isn't helping her "I'm not scum, Zorkmid is" argument. This brings us to the last post to be analyzed. On April 18 2011 01:36 Shcoleosis wrote:
Regular town behavior can be interpreted as scummy behavior, and scummy behavior can be interpreted as town behavior. So far, I've seen most of you all basing your analysis off of what you assume to be town behavior or what you assume to be scum behavior. That's how this works, yes. We've got nothing to work with but our assumptions. your point? Weak assumptions are just going to get more green and blue people killed. If we want to catch and lynch the mafia, we have to think the way the mafia does. I mean, if you were part of the mafia, wouldn't you want to think like a townie in order to keep from being caught? WIFOM It's a suggestion, and hopefully it will bring us closer to who is and who isn't a townie. My analysis of everyone would probably look like a repeat, so I doubt that it's necessary for me to post. POST PLEASE! I agree that Varpilus definitely had the most thorough and seemingly accurate analysis. That still doesn't mean he couldn't be scum. OMGUS Just saying.
Right now, most of my suspicion is on Elmizzt, Sandroba, and Zorkmid. I like how this post states the obvious, pretends to be insightful explains why she won't be adding to the analysis, calls the person suspicious of her scum, and agrees with everybody about who's suspicious, with Zorkmid tacked on. This is not strong town behavior, but it is clever scum behavior. The only remaining post is a challenge to explain why I'm suspicious of her. Consider it answered. tl;dr Looks like you spent a lot of time and energy doing that...maybe a little TOO much time and energy. I wish I had the willpower to do something like that. Anyway, I've absolutely nothing to say about that...mainly because I didn't read it. If you think I'm mafia, go ahead and lynch me, baby. Another townie down, another one to go. Forumite, you think I'm mafia when we've got scum posting shit like this? And you said I was giving up on the game? I do think that Shcoleosis is mafia. Why don't we lynch her? It seems to me that she knows that I'm town, saw my defense, and realized that it might work. So she parroted it. Even if she isn't mafia --which I doubt-- She's not even reading the analysis people are posting. I don't want somebody like that on my team come LYLO. This bullshit about me being mafia because i'm the most pro-town player in this game is ridiculous. If I were scum, why would I provide all these tools for the town to use? Why would i make so many posts for people to analyze? Compare me to Shcoleosis. I ask you all now to be honest. Who seems more scummy? Correction: I'm not reading YOUR long-winded analysis. I'm pretty embarrassed for you because you're wasting your time. A lot of it. ninja'd while I wrote my last post. wow... just... wow. You seem less pro-town with every post you make. I hope others see this as well. At this point you don't even have to be scum, I still think you'd make a nice lynch target.
less pro-town? Nope. You made an accusation about ME which I know and feel is not true, therefore I did not care to read it. I have no problems saying that. As for every other person you analyzed, you did a pretty good job of doing so. You know, you are starting to sound a lot like Zorkmid now....you just want to lynch me because you don't like me or my ideas. Sucks to be me, right.
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I like your analysis Varpulis, I just try to remember that Mafia wants to look pro-town too. I´ve read your latest analysis on Shcoleosis and it has a few good points, and your defence has more weight than Shcoleosis defence, you were right after all, it only takes a missing "only" to turn your incriminating post around, while Shcoleosis have several posts that looks weird.
Damn this game is hard. Hopefully we get more to go on tomorrow.
I don´t think there are many hours left until night-phase is over, anyone who wants to leave any last clues or evidence had better do so.
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Wow, lots of posting going on. I write a post and 3 others post while I´m writing.
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It's alright, I think that you can go. In hindsight I'd have pointed a FoS at VarpuliS too, probably. It's good that you raised the suspicion. I might look into Eternalmisfit too, for good measure, because he's also been very pro town.
I'm probably going to go away for a while too, before I get to involved in this fight with Shcoleosis that seems to be going nowhere. See you all after the day post, assuming I make it out alive. (fingers crossed )
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On April 18 2011 05:57 Forumite wrote:
Eternalmisfit, why am I likely scum if Sandroba is scum?
Is this because of that old Zorkmid post?
It is a rather weak link and hence I stated 'Likely scum' for weak links and Scum for strong links according to my opinion. It was more so that Sandroba came your defense once early in the thread when you were lurking. If Sand turned out to be scum, it is unlikely that he will come to the defense of a townie and thus there is a weak connection in that regard.
In order to be fair, I made a similar post for Varpulis way early in the thread also. Thus, it seems a weak connection but I posted it none the less.
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I would suggest not debating who to lynch on Day 2 until we know who mafia kills tonight that will definitely bring a lot of changes in the discussion.
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2 HOURS TILL END OF NIGHT PLEASE SEND ME ALL ACTIONS
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I think that most of the arguments are out there already. I don't really have the time to do a detailed analysis, but dinner was a hit! This is an "in case I die post for your reference". Here's who I think are scum, in the order of certitude.
1. Scholeosis
T2. Sandroba
T3. Forumite
If I'm alive tomorrow I promise to go deeper.
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Gah
Forumite and Sandroba should both be T2.
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Me? Isn´t that a bit out of the blue, Zorkmid?
We´ll see who´s alive tomorrow and talk it out then.
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This post is my scum list in case I die. I pretty much agree with varpulis analysis.
1. Scholeosis - If this girl is town, that's the most terrible town play of the year. An award should be given to her.
2. Elmizzt - Agrees with bulshit analysis posted by others. In contrary to zorkmid I'm not suspisious of the one who post a bad analysis, because normally all the analysis at least gives something to talk about and forces reactions out of people (which is pro-town). elmizz rapidly agreed with both the analysis of zorkmid and forumite of me and varpulis trying to take out the focus on scholeosis, when the focus were on his scumbudy scholeosis. That's textbook mafia play, not coming up with ideas, but bandwagon the useless ones. If scholeosis, much to my dismay, turns out to be anything but mafia, this needs to be reanalysed, of course.
3. Vain - If for some miracle either of these guys aren't mafia I would take a closer look at this person. All his posts so far have been useless constation of the obvious, questions or fluff posts, none with any content whatsoever. Also he doesn't seem to mind that senj screwed town over and makes a useless post praising our "beloved" useless townie. elmizzt finds it amusing.
Btw, forumite analysis of scholeosis is not bulshit at all, it seemed like it was indeed a huge slip by Varpulis, but at this time the amount of effort he has put towards scumhunting makes it very hard to beleive he's anything but town, so he gets a pass in my eyes.
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Day 2
LSB transitions from 6 pool into a 6 drone lurker rush but forgot that zergs need to use a drone to build a building and ended up with only 1 drone mining minerals. Everyone laughed and got drunk. As such, none of the mods bothered with accounting for actions in games and no one died.
No one died today (actions were accounted for), 48 hours till end of day
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On April 18 2011 11:02 sandroba wrote:
I was role blocked.
LOL!
If you were REALLY roleblocked, this means that this is our setup:
1 Mafia Role Blocker, 1 Mafia Goon, 5 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective
Sandroba has claimed detective, and the Medic guessed correctly.
Can anyone else here confirm that if Sandroba is telling the truth (Im not sure) that this is the only setup possible?
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Wait, what? Noone died? Cool!
Sandroba, about VarpuliS and his analysis of Shcoleosis, I read the last one and it does sound decent, although I wonder if it warranted the massvotes he got earlier, before everyone turned on Senj. I´m wavering on who seems to be the most scummy but I have a few possible candidates. Forgive me if I don´t post who until I have more evidence to go on.
And that´s enough for today, gnight and see you tomorrow!
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So it seems we do have a medic, if I interpret the post right. If so, thank you, whoever you are.
If mafia's got a roleblocker, looking at the possible setups this means that we've also got a dt, so best case situation, yay.
Good night everybody, I'll join the day 2 discussion tomorrow.
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On April 18 2011 11:07 Zorkmid wrote:LOL! If you were REALLY roleblocked, this means that this is our setup: 1 Mafia Role Blocker, 1 Mafia Goon, 5 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective Sandroba has claimed detective, and the Medic guessed correctly. Can anyone else here confirm that if Sandroba is telling the truth (Im not sure) that this is the only setup possible?
Just because he was roleblocked doesn't mean he has a role. More likely he's a townie who the mafia roleblocked for the sake of roleblocking somebody.
From the role list in the second post: Roleblocker
You are a mafia member who has the ability to prevent a player from performing a night action. Once per night, you may roleblock a player, and your target will be unable to perform night actions for that night. Your target will be informed that they have been roleblocked (even if they didn't have a night action). You do not have to use your action every night.
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On April 18 2011 11:07 Zorkmid wrote:LOL! If you were REALLY roleblocked, this means that this is our setup: 1 Mafia Role Blocker, 1 Mafia Goon, 5 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective Sandroba has claimed detective, and the Medic guessed correctly. Can anyone else here confirm that if Sandroba is telling the truth (Im not sure) that this is the only setup possible?
Everyone, whether blue or green or red gets a roleblock PM when they are roleblocked
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PROOF: Noone died, so we must have a doctor.
Possibles:
1 Mafia Role Blocker, 1 Mafia Goon, 5 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective
2 Mafia Goon, 1 Medic, 6 Town.
There is nothing (except maybe Sandroba) that says we have a detective or roleblocker in the game. The only thing we KNOW is that there is a Medic, and he was spot on. I don´t see much point in lying about being roleblocked, except to try to look more Town, but I´m still taking Sandrobas comment with a grain of salt.
mmm, salt...
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I haven't claimed anything, I said I was roleblocked. But since no one died and I was roleblocked, I assume that there's indeed a medic and a dt.
Can mafia choose not to kill anyone?
Even if they can It would be a dumb move not to kill anyone, so this scenario is extremely more likely.
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On April 18 2011 11:15 sandroba wrote:
Can mafia choose not to kill anyone?
Yes, they can
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Ah, my bad. I even asked earlier on whether a roleblocked townie was told, I just forgot!
So I get the feeling that either myself or Varp was the target last night.
Any thoughts?
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Let me post my thoughts:
Vote: scholeosis
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ebwodp:
##Vote: scholeosis
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So, why voting so early, don't we have 48hrs?
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Well, based on previous information I'm pretty convinced with this assesment, and it makes even more sense that I was roleblocked since I was the first one to come up with analysis on scholeosis. In my eyes there's no way in hell scholeosis could be town att this point.
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On April 18 2011 11:19 Zorkmid wrote:
Ah, my bad. I even asked earlier on whether a roleblocked townie was told, I just forgot!
So I get the feeling that either myself or Varp was the target last night.
Any thoughts?
Medic
You have the power to save lives. Once per night you can watch a player. If your target is attacked, you will block one hit aimed at them. If you make a successful save, both you and your target will be notified of the save. You cannot save yourself.
If you didnt get a pm like "you were saved" or something you can be pretty sure you were not a target
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On April 18 2011 10:54 sandroba wrote:
3. Vain - If for some miracle either of these guys aren't mafia I would take a closer look at this person. All his posts so far have been useless constation of the obvious, questions or fluff posts, none with any content whatsoever. Also he doesn't seem to mind that senj screwed town over and makes a useless post praising our "beloved" useless townie. elmizzt finds it amusing.
Omg, How could you NOT like my necrology of senj
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I have to say I am extremely puzzled by the night actions. What we know for sure:
1. No one died - This implies that either we have a medic or mafia choose not to kill anyone.
Now, it would seem more likely that we have a medic but 6/8 people have posted and no one has claimed being saved yet. This mean that either Elmizzt or Shcoleosis are town and were saved (in which case they would claim being saved sometime tomorrow).
What is likely based on claims:
Sandroba was role-blocked. Now, I won't take the claim at face-value since it is still possibility that Sandroba is scum and is lying. But, at this point, it is highly likely that he is town as I don't see any benefits of lying as mafia this early in the game as he has painted a big lynch target on himself if people get even a small clue of him being lying.
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We know that we have a medic, but we have no idea who it is, nor who was saved. Going out with something like this doesn´t really serve a point, so we can´t identify who it was either.
Look, if I was marked for a night-kill and saved, then the Mafia knows it, the Medic knows it, but there is no way I can prove this to any others without possibly endangering the Medic, and that´s something we don´t want to do.
Like Sandroba saying "I´m roleblocked", it doesn´t give us any info, except that IF someone else was roleblocked then that person only can be quite sure that Sandroba is Scum, but haven´t got a way to expose him.
Would you take my word for it if I said I was marked for death but saved by the Medic, when it´s such an obvious way to appear more Town?
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Right now I´m suspicious of those who don´t contribute anything, not even aiding or defending those marked for Lynching, just sitting by, silent.
FoS Elmizzt
FoS Vain
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On April 18 2011 18:12 Forumite wrote:
We know that we have a medic, but we have no idea who it is, nor who was saved. Going out with something like this doesn´t really serve a point, so we can´t identify who it was either.
Look, if I was marked for a night-kill and saved, then the Mafia knows it, the Medic knows it, but there is no way I can prove this to any others without possibly endangering the Medic, and that´s something we don´t want to do.
Like Sandroba saying "I´m roleblocked", it doesn´t give us any info, except that IF someone else was roleblocked then that person only can be quite sure that Sandroba is Scum, but haven´t got a way to expose him.
Would you take my word for it if I said I was marked for death but saved by the Medic, when it´s such an obvious way to appear more Town?
It is not an obvious way to appear more town. If you claimed you were saved like you are now and someone else also would claim that one of you would be lying. That would couse suspicion on both of the claimers and probably would get one of you killed.
Now if your claim is correct it would mean you were town(i really do not think you tried to kill yourself)
And this would also mean VarpuliS would be in the clear. The reasoning behind this would be that if you would be killed while you were clearly suspecting Varpulis then VarpuliS would be drawing unnecessary suspicion on him. Also i still suspect scholeosis because with you AND VarpuliS gone there would be 6 people left. Night kill would mean a townie kill and then the maffia only would have only to persuade one person to win the game. With the leading accuser for scholeosis gone this would be an excellent position for scholeosis to be in. I could also be missing some connections. We now have to figure out who would have a reasonal benefit of you (and Varpulis) gone
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Btw why didnt you say you were saved in the first post?
Did it take you some time to discover the pm?
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On April 18 2011 19:25 Vain wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 18:12 Forumite wrote:
We know that we have a medic, but we have no idea who it is, nor who was saved. Going out with something like this doesn´t really serve a point, so we can´t identify who it was either.
Look, if I was marked for a night-kill and saved, then the Mafia knows it, the Medic knows it, but there is no way I can prove this to any others without possibly endangering the Medic, and that´s something we don´t want to do.
Like Sandroba saying "I´m roleblocked", it doesn´t give us any info, except that IF someone else was roleblocked then that person only can be quite sure that Sandroba is Scum, but haven´t got a way to expose him.
Would you take my word for it if I said I was marked for death but saved by the Medic, when it´s such an obvious way to appear more Town? It is not an obvious way to appear more town. If you claimed you were saved like you are now and someone else also would claim that one of you would be lying. That would couse suspicion on both of the claimers and probably would get one of you killed. Now if your claim is correct it would mean you were town(i really do not think you tried to kill yourself) And this would also mean VarpuliS would be in the clear. The reasoning behind this would be that if you would be killed while you were clearly suspecting Varpulis then VarpuliS would be drawing unnecessary suspicion on him. Also i still suspect scholeosis because with you AND VarpuliS gone there would be 6 people left. Night kill would mean a townie kill and then the maffia only would have only to persuade one person to win the game. With the leading accuser for scholeosis gone this would be an excellent position for scholeosis to be in. I could also be missing some connections. We now have to figure out who would have a reasonal benefit of you (and Varpulis) gone
Nowhere in forumite post he claims that the medic saved him, only mafia would know that for sure. Also thank you for uncovering your plan. If you were indeed the target, forumite, it's time for you to say it, so that if no one says otherwise we have no reason to doubt it. There is no point in hiding that info from mafia because saying that you were protected does not reveal the identity of the medic. If someone else got protected and saved, please post it, so we can make some sense out of this.
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We need to start posting people, let's not wait until we are hard pressed on time.
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On April 18 2011 20:06 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 19:25 Vain wrote:On April 18 2011 18:12 Forumite wrote:
We know that we have a medic, but we have no idea who it is, nor who was saved. Going out with something like this doesn´t really serve a point, so we can´t identify who it was either.
Look, if I was marked for a night-kill and saved, then the Mafia knows it, the Medic knows it, but there is no way I can prove this to any others without possibly endangering the Medic, and that´s something we don´t want to do.
Like Sandroba saying "I´m roleblocked", it doesn´t give us any info, except that IF someone else was roleblocked then that person only can be quite sure that Sandroba is Scum, but haven´t got a way to expose him.
Would you take my word for it if I said I was marked for death but saved by the Medic, when it´s such an obvious way to appear more Town? It is not an obvious way to appear more town. If you claimed you were saved like you are now and someone else also would claim that one of you would be lying. That would couse suspicion on both of the claimers and probably would get one of you killed. Now if your claim is correct it would mean you were town(i really do not think you tried to kill yourself) And this would also mean VarpuliS would be in the clear. The reasoning behind this would be that if you would be killed while you were clearly suspecting Varpulis then VarpuliS would be drawing unnecessary suspicion on him. Also i still suspect scholeosis because with you AND VarpuliS gone there would be 6 people left. Night kill would mean a townie kill and then the maffia only would have only to persuade one person to win the game. With the leading accuser for scholeosis gone this would be an excellent position for scholeosis to be in. I could also be missing some connections. We now have to figure out who would have a reasonal benefit of you (and Varpulis) gone Nowhere in forumite post he claims that the medic saved him, only mafia would know that for sure. Also thank you for uncovering your plan. If you were indeed the target, forumite, it's time for you to say it, so that if no one says otherwise we have no reason to doubt it. There is no point in hiding that info from mafia because saying that you were protected does not reveal the identity of the medic. If someone else got protected and saved, please post it, so we can make some sense out of this.
How is saying
Would you take my word for it if I said I was marked for death but saved by the Medic, when it´s such an obvious way to appear more Town?
That not claiming for saved by the medic
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That's clearly not claiming to be saved by medic.
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On April 18 2011 18:21 Forumite wrote:
Right now I´m suspicious of those who don´t contribute anything, not even aiding or defending those marked for Lynching, just sitting by, silent.
FoS Elmizzt
FoS Vain
This post seems very strange to me...at this point there isn't really anyone marked for lynching, and I'm more suspicious that someone acting protective towards lynch targets are scummy rather than townie.
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On April 18 2011 20:22 sandroba wrote:
That's clearly not claiming to be saved by medic.
i think it clearly is, but let's ask forumite again shall we?
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Medic
You have the power to save lives. Once per night you can watch a player. If your target is attacked, you will block one hit aimed at them. If you make a successful save, both you and your target will be notified of the save. You cannot save yourself.
Does this means the person saved is informed of who saved him, or only that he was saved?
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On April 18 2011 20:33 sandroba wrote:
Does this means the person saved is informed of who saved him, or only that he was saved?
Only that he was saved. Due to all the time spent studying in medical school medics have forgotten how to be social, thus they are extremely shy and never reveal themselves when saving someone
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On April 18 2011 20:33 sandroba wrote:
Medic
You have the power to save lives. Once per night you can watch a player. If your target is attacked, you will block one hit aimed at them. If you make a successful save, both you and your target will be notified of the save. You cannot save yourself.
Does this means the person saved is informed of who saved him, or only that he was saved?
You only get informed that you were saved, not by whom.
Yes, I was saved by the Doctor, Mafia wanted me dead, and I got a PM saying I was saved. It didn´t include info on who saved me, I wanted to drag it out, see what people were saying, if someone makes a mistake.
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I want to ask Vain, are you Mafia or Doctor?
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Well here comes my analysis of vain, wait for it!
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On April 18 2011 20:23 Zorkmid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 18:21 Forumite wrote:
Right now I´m suspicious of those who don´t contribute anything, not even aiding or defending those marked for Lynching, just sitting by, silent.
FoS Elmizzt
FoS Vain This post seems very strange to me...at this point there isn't really anyone marked for lynching, and I'm more suspicious that someone acting protective towards lynch targets are scummy rather than townie.
What I want is Elmizzt and Vain to actually post their own thoughts, not just an "I agree" when someone else brings up evidence.
I don´t agree that being protective is scummy, sure Mafia wants to protect Mafia, if possible, but there are so few Mafia, and there are a lot of instances where people point out that something is not scummy behavior. I see protecting someone as wanting a thought through lynch rather than lynching whoever makes the worst case for himself.
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On April 18 2011 20:42 sandroba wrote:
Well here comes my analysis of vain, wait for it!
With the rope and noose ready
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I´d actually prefer an actual answer from Vain, he´s been active this last hour.
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On April 18 2011 20:44 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 20:23 Zorkmid wrote:On April 18 2011 18:21 Forumite wrote:
Right now I´m suspicious of those who don´t contribute anything, not even aiding or defending those marked for Lynching, just sitting by, silent.
FoS Elmizzt
FoS Vain This post seems very strange to me...at this point there isn't really anyone marked for lynching, and I'm more suspicious that someone acting protective towards lynch targets are scummy rather than townie. What I want is Elmizzt and Vain to actually post their own thoughts, not just an "I agree" when someone else brings up evidence. I don´t agree that being protective is scummy, sure Mafia wants to protect Mafia, if possible, but there are so few Mafia, and there are a lot of instances where people point out that something is not scummy behavior. I see protecting someone as wanting a thought through lynch rather than lynching whoever makes the worst case for himself.
It is scummy. I wouldn't defend any of the players at the moment as the ones that I think are town can do it themselves (and I would want them to) and I'm not sure about the rest.
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Which part is scummy?
What I wanted with the post is for Elmizzt and Vain to actually post their own accusations, if they only hop on the wagon, then they are not helping us. I want them to start posting more, because I get a strong scum-wibe from both of them.
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On April 18 2011 21:03 Forumite wrote:
Which part is scummy?
What I wanted with the post is for Elmizzt and Vain to actually post their own accusations, if they only hop on the wagon, then they are not helping us. I want them to start posting more, because I get a strong scum-wibe from both of them.
You're getting a strong scum vibe because they're band wagoning and not making their own analyses?
Explain yourself man!
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On April 18 2011 21:03 Forumite wrote:
Which part is scummy?
The part where you're defending people that *I* don't know to be town.
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On April 18 2011 21:09 Zorkmid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 21:03 Forumite wrote:
Which part is scummy?
What I wanted with the post is for Elmizzt and Vain to actually post their own accusations, if they only hop on the wagon, then they are not helping us. I want them to start posting more, because I get a strong scum-wibe from both of them. You're getting a strong scum vibe because they're band wagoning and not making their own analyses? Explain yourself man!
Elmizzt and Vain are extremely slow posters, but when they do post it´s to immediately jump on whoever is the current target for the lynch. Elmizzt even jumped on my VarpuliS-accusations, that really were quite weak after all. When I defend someone, because I do sometimes, and different people at that, it´s because I feel the evidence against them is weak, and in these two peoples cases, it´s always weak.
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On April 18 2011 21:19 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 21:09 Zorkmid wrote:On April 18 2011 21:03 Forumite wrote:
Which part is scummy?
What I wanted with the post is for Elmizzt and Vain to actually post their own accusations, if they only hop on the wagon, then they are not helping us. I want them to start posting more, because I get a strong scum-wibe from both of them. You're getting a strong scum vibe because they're band wagoning and not making their own analyses? Explain yourself man! Elmizzt and Vain are extremely slow posters, but when they do post it´s to immediately jump on whoever is the current target for the lynch. Elmizzt even jumped on my VarpuliS-accusations, that really were quite weak after all. When I defend someone, because I do sometimes, and different people at that, it´s because I feel the evidence against them is weak, and in these two peoples cases, it´s always weak.
I don't know how you percieved this but i had consistently scholeosis as maffia so please don't imply i just follow the crowd. I was the even only one that ended up voting for her. Why are you asking me if i am doctor or mafia? if i tell you im mafia i would be dead. If i tell you i am a doctor i would be dead AND the town loses a medic. So I am not going to answer your two sided question you figure it out yourself;)
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Here is why Vain is scum:
On April 15 2011 19:41 Vain wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 13:08 sandroba wrote:
Well I just checked and it's actually 6 AM in sweeden/netherlands so Vain and Forumite are probably actually sleeping. However, judging from this thread varpulis is normally active around this time. Hmmm... Yup, just got out of bed. its 12:40 now here ehm, can't we like check if these other person's are posting elsewhere so they are knowingly avoiding posting here?
On April 15 2011 19:43 Vain wrote:Just to add. if that would be the case they sure would have some explaining to do
This is indeed too early to tell anything, but he posts a question then an obvious observation. Note that he has 550 posts and in his question he implies he still doesn't know how to use the search function.
On April 16 2011 06:38 Vain wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 06:17 sandroba wrote:
Well, right now, I'm still waiting on some kind of response by scholeosis. And the other lurkers should come out of the shadows and post their opnion, or is the situation too confortable that the scum can sit back and realx? Well i'll come out of the shadows then and will mention there is not very much too say jet. You can only argue that some are more active then others but i don't think any obvious or major slips were made. Sure, Zorkmid has like 50% of the posts but doesn't really really fit the picture of scum(jet?). I think Shcoleosis has displayed an odd behaviour by at first saying I'm still learning :/ and switching from opinion that fast but an explanation for this could be that (s)he really isn't really into this game jet and is just afraid of being hanged the first day. Still until (s)he can give an explenation, my vote is still on him/her. And btw please tell if your a girl or not. i am sick of typing 2 genders all the time. ifnot i assume your sexless, lol
This post is made 11 hours after. Note that he admits to be lurking in the bolded part. Then he procedes to say absolutely nothing. He says that could be that, nut that could be the other thing aswell. Extremely wishy washy.
On April 16 2011 06:39 Vain wrote:
Four if you count this one;)
Spam post.
On April 16 2011 08:55 Vain wrote:
Well, She didn't change my opinion on her so:
##Vote: Scholeosis
Bandwagons on scholeosis.
On April 17 2011 00:26 Vain wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 22:11 Forumite wrote:
I will most probably not get online from about an hour to the end of the night. The next day-phase is during the week, I´ll have much more time then to get to the bottom of this then. I don´t have much advice to give in case I get night-killed, but I´ve a few things to add, mostly to identify Sheep/Lurkers.
I´ve been tunneling on the Zorkmid and elmizzt connection, both of them calling me scum for not posting during the start of the first day, when I was asleep and had informed people of this beforehand. I have the feeling that Zorkmid was the talkative Mafia, elmizzt the quiet one. Elmizzt hasn´t really said anything except agreeing with lynching inactives and agreeing with a weird post with weak arguments from Zorkmid.
I get a bit of bad wibes from Vain, not because he´s a slow poster, but because I don´t see him posting his own reasons for jumping on the wagon against Shcoleosis. It didn´t take long for people to start voting once the first vote was in. Zork and Sandroba voted quickly, but they had allready stated they had FoS on Shcoleosis, while Vains voting felt more like he was just agreeing rather than making up his own mind. I´d like to see some more reasons from him.
Senj is also very slow on posting, not saying anything except encouraging analysis.
So Lurkers:
Senj
Vain
elmizzt (with possible Zorkmid connection) Hmm, the reason i voted for shcoleosis is that in my opinion her behaviour was very scummy like( switching sides, saying things like first time playing guys). Witch was pointed out earlyer by the other players before me. She did not post again untill after i voted for her. I may note that the posts after that were not so much scum behaviour, but i am still not really convinced we have a better alternative. Although zorkmid could be suspected due to throwing accusations out like there is no tomorrow, which could be his strategy but is drawing attention to him and would be very risky if he were to be scum. Nevertheless zorkmid would be my number two but only to him being profoundly accusing. I haven't really looked in the accusations of the others too much but i'll try to post an analysis of them later on.
Again, very wishy washy, doesn't want to point fingers at nobody. Claims not to be following the thread and promises future analysis that we never got to see. Where is the analysis you promised us?
On April 17 2011 10:57 Vain wrote:
Well, there it goes. In a few minutes senj will be no more. If he flips over and turns out to be red i'm gonna eat my hat, Serously
Oh my god, it's almost like he knows it for sure!
On April 17 2011 11:17 Vain wrote:I just want to take this moment and mourn for our departed senj, who turned out to be a town. This death will have an huge impact on us and the game. The rest of this post i will dedicate to our beloved senj. Think of all the moments he was with us and the time we spent together. I still remember the first time i saw him. Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 11:18 Senj wrote:
GL HF broskis. Not sure I agree Eternalmisfit, seeing as we're all relatively new to the mafia game. He was never much of a talker, but he always told me he tried so hard to change.. Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 12:41 Senj wrote:
Yeah, basically. I guess that's kind of the idea of keeping the thread active though, more posts mean more chances to slip up and divulge too much information.
Somewhat unrelated, but I just broke a 9 game lose streak. :D huuuuuge relief there. Sadly, he fell back in his old behaviour and he spoke to the public only one more time Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 12:54 Senj wrote:On April 15 2011 12:52 elmizzt wrote:On April 15 2011 12:49 Zorkmid wrote:I for one am going to vote that we lynch the quiet most innocent seeming player I might even do a character count! hmmm...how long until we can start eye-ing some of the inactive players and leaning on em a little? I'm already taking note that we have yet to see Forumite, Vain and Varpulis, however; I feel it's a little early yet. By the halfway mark on the first day I'll be suspicious if we haven't heard from them yet. After that it was only a matter of time until dark clouds rose above his head. Maybe he wanted to talk but couldn't find a way to express himself. Maybe he searched for words but could never find them. Maybe something else, but we will never know now because our beloved senj is dead
Huge spam! Also no need to praise Senj when he screw town over.
On April 17 2011 11:18 Vain wrote:
P.s. This also means no hat-eating will be done tonight!
More useless posting / jokes.
On April 17 2011 22:06 Vain wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 21:21 Forumite wrote:
Are we supposed to discuss during the night? It just makes me feel like the Mafia get more ammunition to use on who they want to night-kill.
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Anyway, I like what Varpulis did, making a summary, but I disagree with his summary on Elmizzt. He´s still lurking, he´s posted only one-liner unhelpfull posts except his groundless accusations against me, his post to vote on senj and his long accusation post against Sandroba. Not posting just to post a huge post to defend himself and throw suspicion on another tells me that he could post more if he wanted to, but perhaps he doesn´t because the debate goes the way he wants it to. Then again, Sandroba wasn´t under much suspicion before Elmizzt accused him, so if he is scum and was trying to divert attention, then he didn´t do a very good job of it. Well, it think we should use all time possible to uncover maffia to prevent misses like senj. Yes he wasn't very active but he was a town as expected. We have a limited number of chances to get it right and sadly we had to lynch an inactive towny. As for being affraid that the maffia gets too much information you'll have to understand one thing perfectly. The maffia already knows who is town and is maffia. There is not much more to know for them. Sure we and the mafia do not know if there is a DT and/or a Doctor but they do not have to uncover themself if they do not want to. We can use all the information there is. The mafia already has all the info and sure as hell aren't gonna lynch one of their own at this moment.
Completelly useless contentless post stating the obvious.
On April 18 2011 02:48 Vain wrote:I would also like to point out how the voting went. This is some actual data we can use and not up for debate. But as always it is up for intepretation of us. It could very well be that one of the persons voted for we're scum and the mafia influenced the vote. There has been some swing in vote's which i find very suspicous. This is how the vote looked 10 hours before closing + Show Spoiler +On April 17 2011 00:38 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 22:31 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Mod: If someone doesn't vote, do they get modkilled? Yes they do get modkilledshcoleosis: 2Vain Zorkmid Zorkmid: 1Forumite Senj: 2sandroba Varpulis elmizzit: 1Eternalmisfit shcoleosis to be lynched on account of getting to 2 votes first
People who haven't voted yet: Shcoleosis, elmizzit, senj10 hours and 25 minutes remaining till the end of day And here the final vote: Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 09:27 chaoser wrote:
shcoleosis: 1
Vain <-Hey guys, look at me here, I didn't bandwagon!
Zorkmid: 1
Forumite
Senj: 6
sandroba
Varpulis
shcoleosis
Zorkmid
Eternalmisfit
elmizzt
Senj to be lynched at 6 votes
Day ends in 1 hour 33 minutes So in a summarry. shcoleosis lost one vote on her senj gained SIX votes and Elmizzt lost one. We can conclude from this that there is some serous bandwagoning going on here and maby some influence of the mafia. Keep in mind that there are not one but two mafia members influencing the votes and that we can be sure that 2 of the votes are mafia ones. The mafia makes up already 25% of our population so do not rule out mafia influence out of this vote.
For me this is the first huge scum tell. Of course everybody voted for senj because he didn't vote, didn't post anything and was going to get modkilled. This post is largely useless and stating the obvious except for one thing. To point out how he did not bandwagon on the senj vote and that mafia would clearly bandwagon.
On April 18 2011 03:08 Vain wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 23:53 VarpuliS wrote:
Vain FoS
Vain has been semi-active. I'm a little bit suspicious of him because he joined the Shcoleosis bandwagon without giving a reason until prompted to. Bandwagoning for the sake of bandwagoning is not great town play, and his logic and reasoning just haven't clicked with me. FoS, but not a priority. Disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing is? we could discuss over that and i could try to defend myself which is not advised in a game of mafia so fuck that. Btw didnt anyone notice the vote swing at the last moment or did everyone just stop caring?
Defending himself and trying to mislead town towards the useless chart he posted. As I stated it was in the best interest of town lynching the guy who was getting modkilled. [i]"Look at the vote swings guys, your clues are there, I swear!"
On April 18 2011 04:11 Vain wrote:
VarpuliS, did you read the guides that were reccomended?
Useless question. You probably read the guide and you know the way you have been posting is not good town play.
On April 18 2011 14:41 Vain wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 11:19 Zorkmid wrote:
Ah, my bad. I even asked earlier on whether a roleblocked townie was told, I just forgot!
So I get the feeling that either myself or Varp was the target last night.
Any thoughts?
Show nested quote +Medic
You have the power to save lives. Once per night you can watch a player. If your target is attacked, you will block one hit aimed at them. If you make a successful save, both you and your target will be notified of the save. You cannot save yourself.
If you didnt get a pm like "you were saved" or something you can be pretty sure you were not a target
Stating the obvious.
On April 18 2011 14:51 Vain wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 10:54 sandroba wrote:
3. Vain - If for some miracle either of these guys aren't mafia I would take a closer look at this person. All his posts so far have been useless constation of the obvious, questions or fluff posts, none with any content whatsoever. Also he doesn't seem to mind that senj screwed town over and makes a useless post praising our "beloved" useless townie. elmizzt finds it amusing.
Omg, How could you NOT like my necrology of senj
Spam
On April 18 2011 19:25 Vain wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 18:12 Forumite wrote:
We know that we have a medic, but we have no idea who it is, nor who was saved. Going out with something like this doesn´t really serve a point, so we can´t identify who it was either.
Look, if I was marked for a night-kill and saved, then the Mafia knows it, the Medic knows it, but there is no way I can prove this to any others without possibly endangering the Medic, and that´s something we don´t want to do.
Like Sandroba saying "I´m roleblocked", it doesn´t give us any info, except that IF someone else was roleblocked then that person only can be quite sure that Sandroba is Scum, but haven´t got a way to expose him.
Would you take my word for it if I said I was marked for death but saved by the Medic, when it´s such an obvious way to appear more Town? It is not an obvious way to appear more town. If you claimed you were saved like you are now and someone else also would claim that one of you would be lying. That would couse suspicion on both of the claimers and probably would get one of you killed. Now if your claim is correct it would mean you were town(i really do not think you tried to kill yourself) And this would also mean VarpuliS would be in the clear. The reasoning behind this would be that if you would be killed while you were clearly suspecting Varpulis then VarpuliS would be drawing unnecessary suspicion on him. Also i still suspect scholeosis because with you AND VarpuliS gone there would be 6 people left. Night kill would mean a townie kill and then the maffia only would have only to persuade one person to win the game. With the leading accuser for scholeosis gone this would be an excellent position for scholeosis to be in. I could also be missing some connections. We now have to figure out who would have a reasonal benefit of you (and Varpulis) gone
This post is a gem. Forumite never said he was saved. But Vain is sure he was. He procedes with his reasoning for why killing forumite would lead us to lynch scholeosis.
Alright so now I will state why we shouldn't lynch scholeosis. Forumite for the time being is the only comfirmed townie (unless the medic claims he didn't save forumite, in which case you should claim so we can trade you for forumite and scholeosis) and the only one who has defended scholeosis so far. The mafia did not know Senj wasn't going to show up, so someone would come to his defense. Everyone and their mother were suspicious of scholeosis at this point so it's very unlikely he's mafia. I advise scholeosis to step up your game if you are indeed not mafia, because I was 100% sure you were at some point.[/b]
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Ah, I was just waiting for an analysis on Vain. will read now.
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Looks very suspicious, if not 100% incriminating. Still enough for me to do the following.
##Vote: Vain
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Lots of post here.. I need to head to work and will check the thread at that point. It seems like people are suspicious of Vain and Forumite has claimed that he was saved. I will go through Vain's and Forumite's posts and make my analysis later in the day.
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On April 18 2011 20:39 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 20:33 sandroba wrote:
Medic
You have the power to save lives. Once per night you can watch a player. If your target is attacked, you will block one hit aimed at them. If you make a successful save, both you and your target will be notified of the save. You cannot save yourself.
Does this means the person saved is informed of who saved him, or only that he was saved? You only get informed that you were saved, not by whom. Yes, I was saved by the Doctor, Mafia wanted me dead, and I got a PM saying I was saved. It didn´t include info on who saved me, I wanted to drag it out, see what people were saying, if someone makes a mistake.
I don't think I believe you when you say you were saved. Wouldn't the mafia want to kill someone that didn't have any suspicion on them?
I think that other than Scholeosis and Sandroba, you're someone that the players think is scum. That's of course unless the people FoSing you are scum.
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I am one of the probable Townies, and I hinted that I had something really good that I was waiting to drop, which is probably why they aimed for me.
I would like you to note that I didn´t say I was saved at first. Partly because I didn´t see the PM until this morning, but also because I wanted to lure out the Mafia, and because I knew people would suspect me if I say I was saved. Saying I´m saved doesn´t help much, except if I get someone to make a mistake, like Vain did.
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Alright, there's been some activity while i've been gone, it seems. Sandroba, I'm liking the analysis of Vain. He does look very suspicious, you're right.
It's interesting that the mafia targeted Forumite. I've got a theory as to why, too.
Forumite analyzed me a couple of hours prior to the day post, and concluded that I was mafia. Now, imagine that the day post comes, and he's dead. Who looks like scum?
Mafia had a plan with that kill: they wanted to put the suspicion off of themselves, and on to one of the town's most active analysts. If everybody thinks that i'm scum, nobody will believe my analyses. My most recent analysis was on Shcoleosis, so this evidence just makes her even more suspicious to me.
FoS Vain
FoS Shcoleosis
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On April 18 2011 22:12 Forumite wrote:
I am one of the probable Townies, and I hinted that I had something really good that I was waiting to drop, which is probably why they aimed for me.
I would like you to note that I didn´t say I was saved at first. Partly because I didn´t see the PM until this morning, but also because I wanted to lure out the Mafia, and because I knew people would suspect me if I say I was saved. Saying I´m saved doesn´t help much, except if I get someone to make a mistake, like Vain did.
Actually Occam's Razor tells me that the reason you didn't say you were saved at first is because you weren't, you didn't know that when you're saved the host PMs you with "you were saved" you guessed at the wording that would be used, and you were wrong.
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On April 18 2011 22:26 Zorkmid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 22:12 Forumite wrote:
I am one of the probable Townies, and I hinted that I had something really good that I was waiting to drop, which is probably why they aimed for me.
I would like you to note that I didn´t say I was saved at first. Partly because I didn´t see the PM until this morning, but also because I wanted to lure out the Mafia, and because I knew people would suspect me if I say I was saved. Saying I´m saved doesn´t help much, except if I get someone to make a mistake, like Vain did. Actually Occam's Razor tells me that the reason you didn't say you were saved at first is because you weren't, you didn't know that when you're saved the host PMs you with "you were saved" you guessed at the wording that would be used, and you were wrong. ##Vote Forumite
But Zorkmid, unless somebody else claims that they took the hit and got saved, We'll have to believe him. I know I didn't get saved, you say that you didn't, Eternalmisfit hasn't claimed anything...
Unless the medic completely ignored my "medics save us list" (which Forumite was on) and randomly picked somebody who happened to be the same guy that the mafia targeted, his claim makes sense.
Occam's Razor tells me that Forumite is probably telling the truth.
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For me to assume that Forumite is telling the truth, I need to assume that
1 Mafia Role Blocker, 1 Mafia Goon, 5 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective
1 Mafia Role Blocker, 1 Mafia Goon, 7 Town
2 Mafia Goon, 1 Medic, 6 Town.
2 Mafia Goon, 1 Detective, 6 Town.
That 1/4 setup is chosen, AND that forumite:
wanted to lure out the Mafia, and because I knew people would suspect me if I say I was saved. Saying I´m saved doesn´t help much, except if I get someone to make a mistake, like Vain did.
I'm also not really that swayed by Forumite's analysis on Vain.
[red]Sandroba seemed quite convinced of it though[red] Took him 7 minutes to vote Vain.
Forumite Sweden. April 18 2011 21:41. Posts 74 PM Profile Report Quote #
Ah, I was just waiting for an analysis on Vain. will read now.
"The ability to quote is a serviceable substitute for wit." - W. Somerset Maugham
sandroba Brazil. April 18 2011 21:48. Posts 119 PM Profile Report Quote #
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Claiming to be saved while not being saved is a terrible move, as I explained in my analysis of vain. Medic could claim and trade his life for mafia, which is a great deal for town.
I'm pretty sure Vain is mafia, so scholeosis can't be aswell.
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I am the one that posted the analysis on vain, not forumite. I'm pretty convinced by my own analysis, you should read it.
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Yeah, Zorkmid, Sandroba voted vain because he analysed him and concluded scum. Unless somebody else counterclaims that they also got saved, I'm leaning towards believing Forumite.
Also, that would be a really stupid lie, because the medic would know immediately that he was lying.On April 18 2011 23:00 sandroba wrote:
Claiming to be saved while not being saved is a terrible move, as I explained in my analysis of vain. Medic could claim and trade his life for mafia, which is a great deal for town.
I'm pretty sure Vain is mafia, so scholeosis can't be aswell.
This says it all. I disagree that Vain and Shcoleosis can't both be mafia, but I agree with the rest of the post.
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Yes, I was saved by the Doctor, Mafia wanted me dead, and I got a PM saying I was saved. It didn´t include info on who saved me, I wanted to drag it out, see what people were saying, if someone makes a mistake.
I would like you to note that I didn´t say I was saved at first. Partly because I didn´t see the PM until this morning, but also because I wanted to lure out the Mafia, and because I knew people would suspect me if I say I was saved. Saying I´m saved doesn´t help much, except if I get someone to make a mistake, like Vain did.
The above two posts of Forumite seem contradictory. The first post implies that he got the PM, read it and then decide to drag it out. In the second post, he makes it more vague by saying that he didn't see the PM first and that people would suspect (saying the timeslines of both decisions were parallel). This is suspicious in general but it doesn't make sense with the rest of the evidence (i.e. if Formuite is mafia, then who got saved). But, still I would put a red flag on him and analyze his posts further.
Vain, on the other hand, seems even more suspicious since his post insinuated that he knew Forumite was saved before Forumite declared that publicly.
FoS Vain
FoS Forumite
This forms another relationship in my prior related analysis where if either one of these is indeed mafia, the other is most likely town.
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I just took a very close look at your analysis Sandroba, and couldn't agree more with how contentless Vain's posts have been. Unless he breaks out some analysis soon, he's just as suspicious as Shcoleosis.
It's a close call though. If we could lynch them both, I would.
To the DT I'm going to assume we have at this point: Investigate Vain and Shcoleosis.
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First I didn´t see the PM. When I next got online I saw it, but didn´t feel like revealing it, because it could possibly help me get more information by dragging it out, which paid off. I revealed when people asked me to say if I was saved or not, because it helped my case against Vain. Revealing showed that Vain did indeed know more than he should.
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On April 18 2011 23:54 VarpuliS wrote:
I just took a very close look at your analysis Sandroba, and couldn't agree more with how contentless Vain's posts have been. Unless he breaks out some analysis soon, he's just as suspicious as Shcoleosis.
It's a close call though. If we could lynch them both, I would.
To the DT I'm going to assume we have at this point: Investigate Vain and Shcoleosis.
Varp, you're the only guy that I'm fairly certain is town. I'm not sure that I'm totally sold on Sandroba's analysis of Vain, but I do see how it can be construed this way.
I'm still mostly convinced that Scholeosis is scum and I would like to propose that we lynch her and if we have a DT, to check either Vain or Sandroba. I'm changing my vote to Scholeosis for now, but if the town feels more strongly about Vain at this point, I'm willing to consider it.
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##Vote Scholeosis
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I would sugest you guys to carefully consider the events of this night before voting for scholeosis.
Also note that 100% of the active players on day 1 wouldn't mind lynching scholeosis and if senj had shown up that was probably what was going to happen.
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On April 19 2011 00:30 sandroba wrote:
I would sugest you guys to carefully consider the events of this night before voting for scholeosis.
Also note that 100% of the active players on day 1 wouldn't mind lynching scholeosis and if senj had shown up that was probably what was going to happen.
What do you mean to say here?
Don't vote for Scholeosis cause of what? Someone claimed to be saved that wasn't him?
The second part of your post seems to say "Vote for Scholeosis"
I really do not understand wtf you mean.
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I am considering the events of the night. My analysis would be discredited if everybody thought that I was scum, which would have happened if Forumite died, because Forumite was suspicious of me. He removed the FoS before the night ended, but it's likely that the mafia didn't notice that in time.
Shcoleosis being scum fits perfectly with this, because I've been very vocal about lynching Shcoleosis, given my multiple analyses against her. If people don't believe me, then the scum gets to live another day.
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The fact that no one died in the night is strange to me.
If I were mafia I'd want to kill someone that NOBODY suspected to be mafia to intensify townie infighting.
If I were the medic I'd want to protect someone I perceived to be an influential townie.
This tells me that Mafia acted counter-intuitively and tried to kill someone helpful. The medic guessed correctly.
To me this means that we need to surreptitiously determine which one of us is the medic. The medic has information that we need to drag out. It goes without saying that the medic shouldn't out him/herself despite it being a pro-town move, he'd be dead for sure.
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Please consider who got saved tonight. I agree completely with all analysis done so far on scholeosis, and feel that he has looked pretty scummy. Except during the night, when he looked pretty much like a frustated newbie, who doesn't care if he seems suspicous at all. Compare that to how cautiously Vain has been trying to point out how inocent he is in the analysis I made when he was on pretty much everyone's suspect list.
Vain and scholeosis can't be both mafia because if nothing happend today we would probably lynch scholeosis and Vain suports this idea. Look:
On April 18 2011 19:25 Vain wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 18:12 Forumite wrote:
We know that we have a medic, but we have no idea who it is, nor who was saved. Going out with something like this doesn´t really serve a point, so we can´t identify who it was either.
Look, if I was marked for a night-kill and saved, then the Mafia knows it, the Medic knows it, but there is no way I can prove this to any others without possibly endangering the Medic, and that´s something we don´t want to do.
Like Sandroba saying "I´m roleblocked", it doesn´t give us any info, except that IF someone else was roleblocked then that person only can be quite sure that Sandroba is Scum, but haven´t got a way to expose him.
Would you take my word for it if I said I was marked for death but saved by the Medic, when it´s such an obvious way to appear more Town? It is not an obvious way to appear more town. If you claimed you were saved like you are now and someone else also would claim that one of you would be lying. That would couse suspicion on both of the claimers and probably would get one of you killed. Now if your claim is correct it would mean you were town(i really do not think you tried to kill yourself) And this would also mean VarpuliS would be in the clear. The reasoning behind this would be that if you would be killed while you were clearly suspecting Varpulis then VarpuliS would be drawing unnecessary suspicion on him. Also i still suspect scholeosis because with you AND VarpuliS gone there would be 6 people left. Night kill would mean a townie kill and then the maffia only would have only to persuade one person to win the game. With the leading accuser for scholeosis gone this would be an excellent position for scholeosis to be in. I could also be missing some connections. We now have to figure out who would have a reasonal benefit of you (and Varpulis) gone
Vain suports the idea of lynching scholeosis
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On April 19 2011 00:55 sandroba wrote:
Please consider who got saved tonight. I agree completely with all analysis done so far on scholeosis, and feel that he has looked pretty scummy. Except during the night, when he looked pretty much like a frustated newbie, who doesn't care if he seems suspicous at all. Compare that to how cautiously Vain has been trying to point out how inocent he is in the analysis I made when he was on pretty much everyone's suspect list.
Vain and scholeosis can't be both mafia because if nothing happend today we would probably lynch scholeosis and Vain suports this idea
Vain suports the idea of lynching scholeosis
Is Vain really on anyone's suspect list other that yours and forumites ?
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On April 19 2011 00:55 sandroba wrote:
Please consider who got saved tonight.
Kinda sounds like, PLEASE BELIEVE ME!
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Zork, I was consistently one considered very pro-Town, and a natural night-kill target. We don´t need to find the Medic to know what happened during Night 1, at least if you believe me when i say I was saved.
The suspicions that come on anyone claiming role-blocked or saved, or any blue role, is what made wait with informing you of the medics protection.
I´m keeping my vote on Vain, he made his mistake and because that he looks scummier than Shcoleosis, to me that makes Shcoleosis Town until we lynch Vain and find out Vains alingment.
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Zorkmid, I urge you to do some work instead of asking me everything. He was on Varpulis suspect list and Ethereal posted a list on day 1 saying that he seemed suspicious.
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On April 19 2011 01:06 Zorkmid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2011 00:55 sandroba wrote:
Please consider who got saved tonight. I agree completely with all analysis done so far on scholeosis, and feel that he has looked pretty scummy. Except during the night, when he looked pretty much like a frustated newbie, who doesn't care if he seems suspicous at all. Compare that to how cautiously Vain has been trying to point out how inocent he is in the analysis I made when he was on pretty much everyone's suspect list.
Vain and scholeosis can't be both mafia because if nothing happend today we would probably lynch scholeosis and Vain suports this idea
Vain suports the idea of lynching scholeosis Is Vain really on anyone's suspect list other that yours and forumites ?
Didn´t you see when he messed up? Please look through his unhelpfull posts, or consider how he´s been posting slow the whole game.
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On April 19 2011 01:11 Forumite wrote:
Zork, I was consistently one considered very pro-Town, and a natural night-kill target. We don´t need to find the Medic to know what happened during Night 1, at least if you believe me when i say I was saved.
The suspicions that come on anyone claiming role-blocked or saved, or any blue role, is what made wait with informing you of the medics protection.
I´m keeping my vote on Vain, he made his mistake and because that he looks scummier than Shcoleosis, to me that makes Shcoleosis Town until we lynch Vain and find out Vains alingment.
Maybe I'm a huge idiot, but I don't see the huge mistake Vain made that you and sandroba have as a talking point.
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He said he knew I was saved, but I hadn´t revealed that yet.
Either he is Mafia and knew the attack on me failed, or he´s Medic and knows he succeeded in saving me.
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I think that lynching Vain would actually accomplish a lot at this point. I've been suspicious of him for a while, and his actions today have made him my #1 suspect. If he flips town Shcoleosis is basically proven scum, and if he flips scum then we've caught a scum.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Vain's big mistake was this:On April 18 2011 19:25 Vain wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 18:12 Forumite wrote:
We know that we have a medic, but we have no idea who it is, nor who was saved. Going out with something like this doesn´t really serve a point, so we can´t identify who it was either.
Look, if I was marked for a night-kill and saved, then the Mafia knows it, the Medic knows it, but there is no way I can prove this to any others without possibly endangering the Medic, and that´s something we don´t want to do.
Like Sandroba saying "I´m roleblocked", it doesn´t give us any info, except that IF someone else was roleblocked then that person only can be quite sure that Sandroba is Scum, but haven´t got a way to expose him.
Would you take my word for it if I said I was marked for death but saved by the Medic, when it´s such an obvious way to appear more Town? It is not an obvious way to appear more town. If you claimed you were saved like you are now and someone else also would claim that one of you would be lying. That would couse suspicion on both of the claimers and probably would get one of you killed. Now if your claim is correct it would mean you were town(i really do not think you tried to kill yourself) And this would also mean VarpuliS would be in the clear. The reasoning behind this would be that if you would be killed while you were clearly suspecting Varpulis then VarpuliS would be drawing unnecessary suspicion on him. Also i still suspect scholeosis because with you AND VarpuliS gone there would be 6 people left. Night kill would mean a townie kill and then the maffia only would have only to persuade one person to win the game. With the leading accuser for scholeosis gone this would be an excellent position for scholeosis to be in. I could also be missing some connections. We now have to figure out who would have a reasonal benefit of you (and Varpulis) gone
Go read sandroba's post, he explains why.
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I think that one of the things holding me back is that if Vain is mafia.....who else is? I can't see his partner.
I get the feeling that if one of Sandroba, Forumite or Scholeosis is red, that two are for sure.
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This is a theory, I'm just going to throw it out there: Sandroba is mafia, Vain's just not a very good player. Sandroba's been suspicious in my book for a while, but suddenly he accuses Vain and everybody ignores the possibility that he's scum. Clever, that.
Also, note how he's defending Shcoleosis. I'll think this over, and come back later with a some evidence.
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I still believe that we should lynch Scholeosis today, if he comes back green, then I think there will be plenty of support still to lynch Vain the next day.
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On April 19 2011 01:56 VarpuliS wrote:
This is a theory, I'm just going to throw it out there: Sandroba is mafia, Vain's just not a very good player. Sandroba's been suspicious in my book for a while, but suddenly he accuses Vain and everybody ignores the possibility that he's scum. Clever, that.
Also, note how he's defending Shcoleosis. I'll think this over, and come back later with a some evidence.
What are you talking about? Sandroba accused Vain after Vain exposed himself as Mafia! It wasn´t out of the blue at all.
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On April 19 2011 01:56 VarpuliS wrote:
Also, note how he's defending Shcoleosis. I'll think this over, and come back later with a some evidence.
I´m not 100% sure we should lynch Shcoleosis either, does that make 3 Mafia?
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I´m open to checking Shcoleosis for tomorrow, but right now I want to get rid of Vain after his recent scumtell.
I think some of you are tunnelling on Shcoleosis too much, and therefore think that Vain must be allright since he was voting against Shcoleosis earlier, and they can´t both be Scum.
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On April 19 2011 01:26 VarpuliS wrote:
I think that lynching Vain would actually accomplish a lot at this point. I've been suspicious of him for a while, and his actions today have made him my #1 suspect. If he flips town Shcoleosis is basically proven scum, and if he flips scum then we've caught a scum.
I want us to go on this and lynch Vain.
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Just letting everyone know I'm going to be inactive until tomorrow...It's finals week and I'm up to my neck in study guides. Got that? I'm not lurking! I've only skimmed through some of these posts, and I can't believe how many tiimes my name has wrongly showed up in red. I'll try to be on later and give my input on things, which will automatically be interpreted as scum behavior (as usual).
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Please, give your imput on things. I'm sure everyone would like to hear your thoughts.
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On April 19 2011 02:51 sandroba wrote:
Please, give your imput on things. I'm sure everyone would like to hear your thoughts.
I will, boo...If I have time later on tonight, I will.
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On April 19 2011 02:47 Shcoleosis wrote:
Just letting everyone know I'm going to be inactive until tomorrow...It's finals week and I'm up to my neck in study guides. Got that? I'm not lurking! I've only skimmed through some of these posts, and I can't believe how many tiimes my name has wrongly showed up in red. I'll try to be on later and give my input on things, which will automatically be interpreted as scum behavior (as usual).
TL;DR
I can't think of how to defend my scum-ass
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On April 19 2011 02:54 Zorkmid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2011 02:47 Shcoleosis wrote:
Just letting everyone know I'm going to be inactive until tomorrow...It's finals week and I'm up to my neck in study guides. Got that? I'm not lurking! I've only skimmed through some of these posts, and I can't believe how many tiimes my name has wrongly showed up in red. I'll try to be on later and give my input on things, which will automatically be interpreted as scum behavior (as usual).
TL;DR I can't think of how to defend my scum-ass
Haha, you mad, huh? I'd control my emotions if I were you...you're starting to look guilty (that's the last thing YOU need, right?)
Class starts in three minutes, so I'm out. Bye, Zorkmid.
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I don't see why you don't drop outta school, you're gonna be hanging from a noose soon.........
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The one thing I'm worried about: Vain could be our medic. In that case he'd know that Forumite was targeted and saved, and accidentally let it slip.
Remember, blues are also trying to hide, because if blues get uncovered, mafia goes ahead and kills them.
I think that neither Shcoleosis nor Vain is contributing, and either would make a good lynch, because if the one we lynch today flips green, I can almost guarantee that the other one won't.
By the way Shcoleosis: Reading the thread and not contributing is the definition of lurking.
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just re-read my post, and I seem to have contradicted myself.
EBWOP: If Vain is not our medic, he makes a good lynch.
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On April 19 2011 03:29 VarpuliS wrote:
The one thing I'm worried about: Vain could be our medic. In that case he'd know that Forumite was targeted and saved, and accidentally let it slip.
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I didn't really want that information out there, but I'll echo that this was my reason for keeping my vote off of Vain.
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To me both scholeosis and vain have presented extremely scummy behavior, but as I stated before there is simply no way they are both mafia.
Looking at the first day activity it was pretty clear that scholeosis was going to get lynched, yet nobody seemed to care much. There was no way mafia could have known senj wasn't going to show up and it seemed like everyone was tunneling scholeosis, except for forumite and he is our only confirmed townie. I hope everyone understands that the mafia would try to not let this happen on day 1 if scholeosis was indeed mafia.
Now looking at the night activity, mafia tryied to kill forumite. Before forumite analysis of varpulis his FoS was Vain and Elmizzt. No one seemed to give credit to forumite's analysis of vain, as he seemed very pro-town. Even forumite didn't seem convinced by his own analysis in the end.
Then we know that the medic saved forumite. Who do you guys think that could have possibly targgeted forumite for a save? I personally think it's much more likely to be scholeosis than vain. If vain was medic he had no reason whatsoever to be sure forumite was town. Scholeosis on the other hand would be pretty convinced as forumite was the only one who defended him and everybody else was pointing fingers at him.
Now let's say neither of them is the medic. That makes it more likely that vain's slip proves he is mafia.
That's why I feel vain is the better lynch. Ever since I rose suspicion on vain all hell broke loose in this thread. That's much more consistent with him being mafia.
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On April 19 2011 04:23 sandroba wrote:
To me both scholeosis and vain have presented extremely scummy behavior, but as I stated before there is simply no way they are both mafia.
Looking at the first day activity it was pretty clear that scholeosis was going to get lynched, yet nobody seemed to care much. There was no way mafia could have known senj wasn't going to show up and it seemed like everyone was tunneling scholeosis, except for forumite and he is our only confirmed townie. I hope everyone understands that the mafia would try to not let this happen on day 1 if scholeosis was indeed mafia.
Now looking at the night activity, mafia tryied to kill forumite. Before forumite analysis of varpulis his FoS was Vain and Elmizzt. No one seemed to give credit to forumite's analysis of vain, as he seemed very pro-town. Even forumite didn't seem convinced by his own analysis in the end.
Then we know that the medic saved forumite. Who do you guys think that could have possibly targgeted forumite for a save? I personally think it's much more likely to be scholeosis than vain. If vain was medic he had no reason whatsoever to be sure forumite was town. Scholeosis on the other hand would be pretty convinced as forumite was the only one who defended him and everybody else was pointing fingers at him.
Now let's say neither of them is the medic. That makes it more likely that vain's slip proves he is mafia.
That's why I feel vain is the better lynch. Ever since I rose suspicion on vain all hell broke loose in this thread. That's much more consistent with him being mafia.
This makes a lot of sense to me. Sandroba, you've got me convinced. I swear to god I'll lynch you if he flips medic, though.
##Vote: Vain
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What Sandroba says looks solid and I hope people read it. Vain is a good target for a lynch, and the defence for him is that we should go for Shcoleosis, a lurker that was a likely target earlier, a usefull scapegoat, except he and Vain can´t both be Mafia, and Vain is more likely.
On April 19 2011 03:31 Zorkmid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2011 03:29 VarpuliS wrote:
The one thing I'm worried about: Vain could be our medic. In that case he'd know that Forumite was targeted and saved, and accidentally let it slip.
. I didn't really want that information out there, but I'll echo that this was my reason for keeping my vote off of Vain.
I have been aware of this possibility ever since Vain made the slip, but the thing is, he´s still just as good a target to Mafia even if he doesn´t say he´s Medic. He hasn´t denied that he knew it, he hasn´t claimed to actually have been a townie, and so he remains Mafia/Medic, which is barely better than being a confirmed Medic. If he´s the Medic then Mafia is allready on to that and they will kill him Night 2, so why doesn´t he just claim Medic? Because that would be just another nail in the coffin when the true Medic goes out and confirm our belief that he´s Mafia.
To the Mafia, if he´s Mafia or Medic is clear, the only ones he´s trying to confuse is Town, which is why he´s our enemy and we should Lynch him now.
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I'll vote Vain as long as if he flips Green or Medic that we do Sandroba next.
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If Vote flips green or blue then I will take a very close look on Sandroba, but I can´t know now what will happen during Lynch 2, it depends on what slip-ups happen until then.
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On April 19 2011 05:56 Forumite wrote:
If Vote flips green or blue then I will take a very close look on Sandroba, but I can´t know now what will happen during Lynch 2, it depends on what slip-ups happen until then.
Stupidity is not a scumtell and i quote
"Bad logic- Unless the bad logic is intentional. Not everyone is as smart as someone who reads LSB’s Newbie guide."
On April 18 2011 04:11 Vain wrote:
VarpuliS, did you read the guides that were reccomended?
Useless question. You probably read the guide and you know the way you have been posting is not good town play.
If Sandroba would have read the guide and actually has some recollection memory he should exactly know why i did ask this question which is still unanswered.
Nice bandwagon btw VarpuliS
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On April 19 2011 06:16 Vain wrote:
If Sandroba would have read the guide and actually has some recollection memory he should exactly know why i did ask this question which is still unanswered.
Do you want to explain what you mean here?
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On April 19 2011 06:16 Vain wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2011 05:56 Forumite wrote:
If Vote flips green or blue then I will take a very close look on Sandroba, but I can´t know now what will happen during Lynch 2, it depends on what slip-ups happen until then. Stupidity is not a scumtell and i quote "Bad logic- Unless the bad logic is intentional. Not everyone is as smart as someone who reads LSB’s Newbie guide." On April 18 2011 04:11 Vain wrote: VarpuliS, did you read the guides that were reccomended? Useless question. You probably read the guide and you know the way you have been posting is not good town play. If Sandroba would have read the guide and actually has some recollection memory he should exactly know why i did ask this question which is still unanswered. Nice bandwagon btw VarpuliS
People need to stop quoting guides and outside sources as ultimate authorities. They're good for sparking ideas, but they can't apply to every situation. Make your own arguments instead.
Here are my suspicious posts:
Vain:
On April 18 2011 21:32 Vain wrote:
I don't know how you percieved this but i had consistently scholeosis as maffia so please don't imply i just follow the crowd. I was the even only one that ended up voting for her. Why are you asking me if i am doctor or mafia? if i tell you im mafia i would be dead. If i tell you i am a doctor i would be dead AND the town loses a medic. So I am not going to answer your two sided question you figure it out yourself;)
It almost seems as though you maintained your vote on scholeosis even after it was 100% clear that she would not possibly be lynched in order to have some kind of defense for later use. It's almost too calculated that you had that defense all whipped up and ready for use at the first moment's notice.
Forumite:
On April 18 2011 22:12 Forumite wrote:
I am one of the probable Townies, and I hinted that I had something really good that I was waiting to drop, which is probably why they aimed for me.
I would like you to note that I didn´t say I was saved at first. Partly because I didn´t see the PM until this morning, but also because I wanted to lure out the Mafia, and because I knew people would suspect me if I say I was saved. Saying I´m saved doesn´t help much, except if I get someone to make a mistake, like Vain did.
I think it's pretty clear that you are lying your ass off here. You posted 9 and 15 minutes after the PM's went out. I find it extremely hard to believe that you "didn't see the PM" during this time, especially considering that there were 3 posts in between your posts, and yours popped up at the front of a new page. These circumstances would have required at the bare minimum a couple f5's to be caught up. Not to mention that PM's are emailed to you assuming you havn't turned that function off. It doesn't add up.
So basically:
FOS: Vain
FOS: Forumite
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Updated analysis
Scholeosis
Strong suspicion on here since she didn't defend herself at all, plans to lurk till tomorrow, and hasn't posted any analysis on anyone.
The biggest question mark is who is the second mafia with her. At this point, I can only think of Elmizzt who can be the second mafia via process of elimination. I doubt he has defended her directly at any point but pretty much everyone has voted for her lynch at one point of time.
Vain
Assuming Forumite is speaking the truth, he is either red or blue. Also, his only possible accomplice can be Elmizzt as everyone has been ganging up on him as well.
Zorkmid is another possible accomplice of him.
Varpulis
Though I consider him town for now, if he doesn't get him tomorrow night, I will start getting suspicious. Though the same is true for me as well.
Sandroba
A quick role-block claim right after the day started. I would tread cautiously since a false role-block claim can be a ruse to drive medic/detective's out for role-claiming. Without his claim, we cannot guess the setup of this mafia game and a false claim throws the town in confusion.
Also, since it is a role-block claim, no one apart from mafia can know whether it is true or a lie.
The timing of the claim makes it even more suspicious since he claimed 2 minutes after the day started. It just seems too good to be true IMO.
Forumite
A save claim. This one is a little more believable than the role-block claim as it is a high risk claim for mafia. They do know there was a medic since their target didn't die. However, claiming a save pretty much ensures that two people know that he is mafia. Thus, it seems rather unlikely that it is a false claim. The only way it can be a false claim is the mafia didn't kill anyone in the night which is quite stupid in itself.
However, if someone else was saved last night as well, please do speak up. Note, I am not asking the medic to role-claim, just asking the saved person. Barring someone else claiming a save, I would treat Forumite as town for now.
Elmzzt
No one knows where he is. He hasn't posted substantive material yet. He is the only one linked with two highly potential mafia scum. There is not much to analyze beyond that. I would put him as scum in my book.
Zorkmid
I have to say that either he is very good at playing both town or mafia, or he just bad at playing both. I can't get a good read on him as pro-town and occasionally I get the scum vibe, but apart from the role-claim post early in first day, I see a lack of scum-like behavior from him.
He is protecting Vain though and is a possible accomplice if Vain is mafia.
Summary
Forumite is most likely town according to me.
FoS Sandroba
I would still probably vote for either Shcoleosis or Elmizzt since those seem more scummy than Vain to me.
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On April 19 2011 01:50 Zorkmid wrote:
I think that one of the things holding me back is that if Vain is mafia.....who else is?
Anyone have any thoughts on this?
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EBWOP:
And Elmizzt posted while I was writing my post. And goes after Vain which breaks his potential affiliation with Vain.
@Elmizzt
As much as Forumite's delayed claim makes it suspicious; since no one else has claimed being saved and mafia didn't get a kill last night; I can't find a scenario (in which mafia isn't totally indept or is just too awesome) where he is scum.
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On April 19 2011 08:01 Zorkmid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2011 01:50 Zorkmid wrote:
I think that one of the things holding me back is that if Vain is mafia.....who else is? Anyone have any thoughts on this?
I can only think of you
Sandroba & Forumite are too anti-Vain!
Vain is too anti-Shcoleosis!
Varpulis has voted for Vain
Elmizzt & me are also suspicious of Vain
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On April 19 2011 08:02 Eternalmisfit wrote:
EBWOP:
And Elmizzt posted while I was writing my post. And goes after Vain which breaks his potential affiliation with Vain.
@Elmizzt
As much as Forumite's delayed claim makes it suspicious; since no one else has claimed being saved and mafia didn't get a kill last night; I can't find a scenario (in which mafia isn't totally indept or is just too awesome) where he is scum.
Well, I think you have to consider that a mafia was saved. It that's the case, then Vain is mafia, and his partner was saved. They were trying to throw us off by shifting the save to Vain, not sure why they would do that, but it's a possible scenario.
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Vain, for all of the guides you claim to read, you don't seem to know what a bandwagon is. A bandwagon would be me seeing three other people voting for you, and do the same without giving a reason. A bandwagon is not reading an analysis, debating it with others, being convinced, and then voting for you. Weak defense.
Also, nobody knows what you're talking about when you reference the guides. If you want to ask a question, just ask it, don't be vague.
To all the people calling Forumite a liar: Then what did happen? Mafia decided not to hit anybody? why the hell would they do that? Elmizzt, how did you know when the PM's went out? Are you claiming blue?
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On April 19 2011 08:07 elmizzt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2011 08:02 Eternalmisfit wrote:
EBWOP:
And Elmizzt posted while I was writing my post. And goes after Vain which breaks his potential affiliation with Vain.
@Elmizzt
As much as Forumite's delayed claim makes it suspicious; since no one else has claimed being saved and mafia didn't get a kill last night; I can't find a scenario (in which mafia isn't totally indept or is just too awesome) where he is scum. Well, I think you have to consider that a mafia was saved. It that's the case, then Vain is mafia, and his partner was saved. They were trying to throw us off by shifting the save to Vain, not sure why they would do that, but it's a possible scenario.
The mafia cannot be saved as in that case we would have a town kill. In the absence of a town kill, I can safely say that a townie was saved and there is a medic.
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If Zorkmid, Eternalisfit or I don't die/get targeted tonight then there are two conclusions we can come to:
- Mafia is stupid
- One of the three of us is mafia
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EBWOP: Eternalmisfit*
God my spelling is terrible.
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On April 19 2011 08:10 Eternalmisfit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2011 08:07 elmizzt wrote:On April 19 2011 08:02 Eternalmisfit wrote:
EBWOP:
And Elmizzt posted while I was writing my post. And goes after Vain which breaks his potential affiliation with Vain.
@Elmizzt
As much as Forumite's delayed claim makes it suspicious; since no one else has claimed being saved and mafia didn't get a kill last night; I can't find a scenario (in which mafia isn't totally indept or is just too awesome) where he is scum. Well, I think you have to consider that a mafia was saved. It that's the case, then Vain is mafia, and his partner was saved. They were trying to throw us off by shifting the save to Vain, not sure why they would do that, but it's a possible scenario. The mafia cannot be saved as in that case we would have a town kill. In the absence of a town kill, I can safely say that a townie was saved and there is a medic.
You're right, I should think more before posting lol.
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On April 19 2011 08:08 VarpuliS wrote:
Vain, for all of the guides you claim to read, you don't seem to know what a bandwagon is. A bandwagon would be me seeing three other people voting for you, and do the same without giving a reason. A bandwagon is not reading an analysis, debating it with others, being convinced, and then voting for you. Weak defense.
Also, nobody knows what you're talking about when you reference the guides. If you want to ask a question, just ask it, don't be vague.
To all the people calling Forumite a liar: Then what did happen? Mafia decided not to hit anybody? why the hell would they do that? Elmizzt, how did you know when the PM's went out? Are you claiming blue?
No, I'm not claiming blue with that post. But I think it's safe to say that the PM's would go out as close to humanly possible as the post announcing the new day/night, would it not?
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Who are set on lynching Vain?
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We´ve got about 26 hours left until the final vote, right?
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Sandroba and I have already voted for him. I don't know about anybody else. I'm assuming that by "set on" you mean "supportive of."
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26 and a half hours as of this post, yes.
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On April 19 2011 08:30 VarpuliS wrote:
Sandroba and I have already voted for him. I don't know about anybody else. I'm assuming that by "set on" you mean "supportive of."
Ready to vote on him in general.
It looks like the support is weak, so I wonder if we shouldn´t consider other options. We´ll know either way after night 2 if Vain survives.
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On April 19 2011 08:32 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2011 08:30 VarpuliS wrote:
Sandroba and I have already voted for him. I don't know about anybody else. I'm assuming that by "set on" you mean "supportive of." Ready to vote on him in general. It looks like the support is weak, so I wonder if we shouldn´t consider other options. We´ll know either way after night 2 if Vain survives.
Other options: Shcoleosis would still make a fine lynch if we can't get enough support for Vain. It could be that the mafia doesn't target Vain intentionally to make us suspicious of him if we let whether he lives or dies be the deciding factor in his guilt. It's better to base it all off of analysis.
There are too many mind games that could be played from basing suspicions on mafia targets, especially because they're reading the same thread the rest of us are. If you tell them how to spread misinformation, they're going to spread misinformation.
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My wording is a little strange. Let me rephrase that fist paragraph:
Shcoleosis is a good lynch if we can't get enough support for Vain.
Basing Vain's guilt on whether the mafia kills him or not is a bad idea though. Mafia could intentionally not target him just to make us suspicious even if he actually is a townie. It's better to base all of our suspicions on analysis.
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Are we back to Shcoleosis and Elmizzt then?
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On April 19 2011 08:48 Forumite wrote:
Are we back to Shcoleosis and Elmizzt then?
I don't feel like I have enough information about Elmizzt to vote for him just yet. I think we've got more ammunition against 2 other right now.
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agreed. Elmizzt's a little shady, but not "lynch him now" shady. Zorkmid, what's your stance on Vain vs Shcoleosis. Who are you more inclined to vote for? Why?
Let's just assume for now that Vain isn't our medic.
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I think that there are two main reasons (other than the medic thing, which is a big one for me) I'd pick Scholeosis over Vain at this point:
1. I've had the scum vibe from Scholeosis longer than Vain
2. Scholeosis seems to have a fairly consistent "defender". Right or wrong, this leads me to think that they may both be SCUM
That said, if a fairy told me that Vain wasn't a medic, I'd flip a coin.
The other thing is.....I feel like if we get Vain and he is SCUM, I have no idea who we go after next. If Scholeosis is SCUM then I think our next moves as town are pretty cut and dried.
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Zorkmid has a point.
At least about everything except the part about the defender because Zorkmid thinks it´s me.
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interesting... The deciding factor for me might turn out being which one would give us more information once they flip town/mafia. At this point I think that Shcoleosis would provide more information.
Needless to say, if one flips town, it's very likely that the other one is scum.
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I think they accused eachother, and between them there is a possibility that Vain is the Medic too, so I think Shcoleosis is the right target.
Once again he´s out and can´t defend himself, but there should be time until the Lynch must be in.
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I'm off to sleep, and will be traveling for the next few days. I'm not going to be inactive, but I'll be posting from my phone for the most part, so expect my posts be shorter and less filled with bbc code.
Right now it's clear to me that we should lynch either Shcoleosis or Vain, but as of right now I'm not sure which one.
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On April 19 2011 10:14 VarpuliS wrote:
I'm off to sleep, and will be traveling for the next few days. I'm not going to be inactive, but I'll be posting from my phone for the most part, so expect my posts be shorter and less filled with bbc code.
Right now it's clear to me that we should lynch either Shcoleosis or Vain, but as of right now I'm not sure which one.
Totally offtopic...When I open TL mafia threads on my phone the app crashes. What do you use?
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Very late, see you tomorrow.
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24 hours till the end of day, be sure to vote
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People, every one is posting wild theories of who they think it's mafia and how they could be manipulating the vote. Look at behavioural analysis. Make your own behavioral analysis. Stop wasting time and misleading town with these WIFOM scenarios. Let's lynch whoever we think is most likely to be scum at this point. That should be either Vain or shcoleosis, based purely on behaviour. I have explained already why I think Vain is most likely to be scum. Go back and read analysis on both this guys. Reread their posts. Throw your egos aside and make the choice that you feel is most likely to lynch scum. After the lynch we can discuss who to lynch on the subsequent day. Right now we need to find ONE scum to lynch. That's our goal.
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I am going to put a placeholder vote for Vain since I wouldn't be able to post much tomorrow due to work. I should check the posts during the day on my iphone though and plan to post and be active atl east twice (before noon and just before deadline) to see if anything new came up.
##Vote: Vain
The main case against Vain is that he possibly slipped up the information that Forumite was saved before Forumite officially announced. That can imply either mafia or medic. This makes me wary of lynching him and I will probably revisit my vote with a detailed analysis later. However, in case I get stuck at work and cant vote again, I have put a placeholder vote for now.
Frankly, I am hesitant on voting for Scholeosis also at this point since almost everyone is against her. So, it is either real bad mafia play or she is town.
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On April 19 2011 06:16 Vain wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2011 05:56 Forumite wrote:
If Vote flips green or blue then I will take a very close look on Sandroba, but I can´t know now what will happen during Lynch 2, it depends on what slip-ups happen until then. Stupidity is not a scumtell and i quote "Bad logic- Unless the bad logic is intentional. Not everyone is as smart as someone who reads LSB’s Newbie guide." On April 18 2011 04:11 Vain wrote: VarpuliS, did you read the guides that were reccomended? Useless question. You probably read the guide and you know the way you have been posting is not good town play. If Sandroba would have read the guide and actually has some recollection memory he should exactly know why i did ask this question which is still unanswered. Nice bandwagon btw VarpuliS
I simply cannot understand this posts at all, and I've been staring at it for quite some time. Are you claiming stupid as your defense? I've read about 50 other posts you made in other threads and all of them are quite sound and reasonable, you seem to know about phisics and do not seem stupid at all. Comparing that to your behaviour in this thread has left me completely perplexed. You are not helping town at all. I've done a post by post analysis on you and there isn't one single useful information. I'm not talking about the last slip, I'm talking about every single one of the posts you made.That's not consistent with blue behaviour for me. That's absolutely not consistent with townie behaviour to me. Also if you for some odd reason are town I would like to have you modkilled and banned from the next games, because you are not following one of the rules: Play to win. But I really don't think you are, as I've read a lot of your posts, I don't think you are stupid, so you CAN'T be town.
Same goes to scholeosis. If you are town you are screwing this game for us. If you are town you are NOT playing to win. That's pissing me off because I've invested a lot of time reading and rereading people's posts, making analysis and trying to convince people here to read carefully all the analysis done and post their opnion.
Since I can't find any previous posts from scholeosis I can't really tell if she is dense/lazy/doesn't give a shit about this game or smart and commited and therefore mafia.
I can only hope that other people work as hard as I've been working, read carefully all posts, consider the night actions and come to conclusions on their own.
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On April 19 2011 10:19 Zorkmid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2011 10:14 VarpuliS wrote:
I'm off to sleep, and will be traveling for the next few days. I'm not going to be inactive, but I'll be posting from my phone for the most part, so expect my posts be shorter and less filled with bbc code.
Right now it's clear to me that we should lynch either Shcoleosis or Vain, but as of right now I'm not sure which one. Totally offtopic...When I open TL mafia threads on my phone the app crashes. What do you use?
iPhone safari app.
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I think there is something weird with Vain, but I´m ready to give him the benefit of the doubt for now, and will focus on the second most likely Mafia.
##Unvote
##Vote: Shcoleosis
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I think it is time for me to claim Medic now. I saved forumite that night and i'm very happy to see that he does not vote for me now.Jeah i slipped that first post, The first part implying forumite was saved was not that bad but the 2nd one with an analysis i already wrote shouln't have been there. But meh what's done is done. I didn't claim medic before for a few reasons. Now we can rules some people out. Mind that the mafia already knew i was a Medic. I also agree with sandroba that we should stick to one target and not post analysis just because you are suspected of scum. It isn't helping and just contributes to the clusterfuck of posts we have. I will now post some information where i'm fairly sure on.
Based on the mafia kill i can vouch for forumite. He is either green or took a very high risk the first day. I don't really believe in the last one.
Second is VarpuliS. He cannot be scum due to the following reason. When forumite would be killed all suspicion would be on VarpuliS. He would almost certainly be the 2nd target of the day 2 lynch.
Zorkmid is also town. Just trust me on this one
Sandroba Would also been town if i'm right on this. He has been hard pressuring to kill me. So hard that if flipped medic he would be the next target. So Sandroba would be also on my green list
Ok, so three persons left now
-elmizzt: Did not post sufficiently to get a good read on
-Scholeosis: Well i think we discussed this subect more than enough. But keep in mind if you are a townie and made a mess like this. How would you post?
-Eternalmisfit: Also can't get a good read on him. Posted sufficiently to avoid any real suspicion.
Well this is my list for now. Why did i claim medic when also some votes are going to Shcoleosis again? Well,since the mafia already knows i am a medic it doesn't really matter to me if i claim now or never but the earlyer the town get's any hard information the better. Also i have some wild theory's on why we should look in a whole other direction but alas i didn't see any confirming behaviour.
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Well, unless anyone else claims medic you are clear and confirmed for me. I still don't understand your previous behaviour at all. I would also like to see your reasoning for choosing to save forumite.
##Unvote
##Vote: Scholeosis
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On April 19 2011 20:46 Vain wrote:
Why did i claim medic when also some votes are going to Shcoleosis again? Well,since the mafia already knows i am a medic it doesn't really matter to me if i claim now or never but the earlyer the town get's any hard information the better. Also i have some wild theory's on why we should look in a whole other direction but alas i didn't see any confirming behaviour.
Vain, I don't follow your logic at all.
Can you or someone else open my eyes as to why the Mafia already knows you're a Medic?
You have a good chance of not getting lynched today, while I don't think your claim gets you lynched today, I think it either gets you shot tonight, or puts you in a pretty tough to defend spot tomorrow if you survive.
If I were you I wouldn't have claimed.
Either there is some important tidbit that I don't see, or you're not playing to win/didn't think this out very well.
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Yay! Thanks for saving me Vain! <3
Since you are safe, at least until someone disputes your claim of Medic, that puts my suspicions towards Elmizzt and Shcoleosis as the Mafia pair and I´m ready to vote on them.
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On April 19 2011 20:59 Zorkmid wrote:
Vain, I don't follow your logic at all.
Can you or someone else open my eyes as to why the Mafia already knows you're a Medic?
He posted that he knew I was saved, so he must be Medic or Mafia. If he´s the Medic, then the Mafia knows because they know who they are, and that he´s not one of them.
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On April 19 2011 21:03 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2011 20:59 Zorkmid wrote:
Vain, I don't follow your logic at all.
Can you or someone else open my eyes as to why the Mafia already knows you're a Medic? He posted that he knew I was saved, so he must be Medic or Mafia. If he´s the Medic, then the Mafia knows because they know who they are, and that he´s not one of them.
That is correct. So while my chances of being lynched were diminishing, My chances of being killed in the night were reasonably big. Also it maby it will shine some new light on the discussion. We have to get it right this time.
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Unless we get another medic claim, this works for me. I've wanted to lynch Shcoleosis for a while now anyways. If anybody needs more convincing, go read my analysis.
Unvote
Vote: Shcoleosis
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EBWOP:
##Unvote
##Vote: Shcoleosis
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Since Vain claimed medic and no one else has claimed medic, it is safe to assume that he is indeed medic.
Modified analysis
Vain
Forumite
Sandroba - I think he is either blue or mafia since he checked PM's and claimed block almost instantly after the day started. However, it seems harder and harder to associate an accomplice to him. Though, since he has been pushing for lynching Vain, he might indeed be scum.
VarpuliS and Zorkmid have seemed pro-town for the most.
Scholeosis and Elmizzt seem mafia scum to me.
##Unvote
##Vote: Shcoleosis
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On April 19 2011 07:47 elmizzt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2011 06:16 Vain wrote:On April 19 2011 05:56 Forumite wrote:
If Vote flips green or blue then I will take a very close look on Sandroba, but I can´t know now what will happen during Lynch 2, it depends on what slip-ups happen until then. Stupidity is not a scumtell and i quote "Bad logic- Unless the bad logic is intentional. Not everyone is as smart as someone who reads LSB’s Newbie guide." On April 18 2011 04:11 Vain wrote: VarpuliS, did you read the guides that were reccomended? Useless question. You probably read the guide and you know the way you have been posting is not good town play. If Sandroba would have read the guide and actually has some recollection memory he should exactly know why i did ask this question which is still unanswered. Nice bandwagon btw VarpuliS People need to stop quoting guides and outside sources as ultimate authorities. They're good for sparking ideas, but they can't apply to every situation. Make your own arguments instead. Here are my suspicious posts: Vain: Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 21:32 Vain wrote:
I don't know how you percieved this but i had consistently scholeosis as maffia so please don't imply i just follow the crowd. I was the even only one that ended up voting for her. Why are you asking me if i am doctor or mafia? if i tell you im mafia i would be dead. If i tell you i am a doctor i would be dead AND the town loses a medic. So I am not going to answer your two sided question you figure it out yourself;) It almost seems as though you maintained your vote on scholeosis even after it was 100% clear that she would not possibly be lynched in order to have some kind of defense for later use. It's almost too calculated that you had that defense all whipped up and ready for use at the first moment's notice. Forumite: Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 22:12 Forumite wrote:
I am one of the probable Townies, and I hinted that I had something really good that I was waiting to drop, which is probably why they aimed for me.
I would like you to note that I didn´t say I was saved at first. Partly because I didn´t see the PM until this morning, but also because I wanted to lure out the Mafia, and because I knew people would suspect me if I say I was saved. Saying I´m saved doesn´t help much, except if I get someone to make a mistake, like Vain did. I think it's pretty clear that you are lying your ass off here. You posted 9 and 15 minutes after the PM's went out. I find it extremely hard to believe that you "didn't see the PM" during this time, especially considering that there were 3 posts in between your posts, and yours popped up at the front of a new page. These circumstances would have required at the bare minimum a couple f5's to be caught up. Not to mention that PM's are emailed to you assuming you havn't turned that function off. It doesn't add up. So basically: FOS: Vain FOS: Forumite
Points finger at vain, never talks about shcoleosis. Agrees with bulshit analysis done on Forumite even though anyone can see there was simply no way he was 100% town at this point since everyone had already posted and no one claimed medic.
shcoleosis and elmizzt are both mafia. gg
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EBWOP: My post got chopped in half. Here it goes.
I would like to quote something I wrote on night 1.
On April 18 2011 10:54 sandroba wrote:
This post is my scum list in case I die. I pretty much agree with varpulis analysis.
1. Scholeosis - If this girl is town, that's the most terrible town play of the year. An award should be given to her.
2. Elmizzt - Agrees with bulshit analysis posted by others. In contrary to zorkmid I'm not suspisious of the one who post a bad analysis, because normally all the analysis at least gives something to talk about and forces reactions out of people (which is pro-town). elmizz rapidly agreed with both the analysis of zorkmid and forumite of me and varpulis trying to take out the focus on scholeosis, when the focus were on his scumbudy scholeosis. That's textbook mafia play, not coming up with ideas, but bandwagon the useless ones. If scholeosis, much to my dismay, turns out to be anything but mafia, this needs to be reanalysed, of course.
3. Vain - If for some miracle either of these guys aren't mafia I would take a closer look at this person. All his posts so far have been useless constation of the obvious, questions or fluff posts, none with any content whatsoever. Also he doesn't seem to mind that senj screwed town over and makes a useless post praising our "beloved" useless townie. elmizzt finds it amusing.
Btw, forumite analysis of scholeosis is not bulshit at all, it seemed like it was indeed a huge slip by Varpulis, but at this time the amount of effort he has put towards scumhunting makes it very hard to beleive he's anything but town, so he gets a pass in my eyes.
After Vain's slip it not only put some doubts on my mind but gave me the opportunity to put huge pressure on Vain and see how a certain person reacted.
Note that I wasn't 100% acurate on this statement:
On April 18 2011 21:40 sandroba wrote:
Alright so now I will state why we shouldn't lynch scholeosis. Forumite for the time being is the only comfirmed townie (unless the medic claims he didn't save forumite, in which case you should claim so we can trade you for forumite and scholeosis) and the only one who has defended scholeosis so far. The mafia did not know Senj wasn't going to show up, so someone would come to his defense. Everyone and their mother were suspicious of scholeosis at this point so it's very unlikely he's mafia. I advise scholeosis to step up your game if you are indeed not mafia, because I was 100% sure you were at some point.
Through the course of the game elmizzt never pointed a finger or gave a single opnion about scholeosis and always agreed with analysis of other people not involving shcoleosis, no matter how poor it was.
So here comes his reaction:
On April 19 2011 07:47 elmizzt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2011 06:16 Vain wrote:On April 19 2011 05:56 Forumite wrote:
If Vote flips green or blue then I will take a very close look on Sandroba, but I can´t know now what will happen during Lynch 2, it depends on what slip-ups happen until then. Stupidity is not a scumtell and i quote "Bad logic- Unless the bad logic is intentional. Not everyone is as smart as someone who reads LSB’s Newbie guide." On April 18 2011 04:11 Vain wrote: VarpuliS, did you read the guides that were reccomended? Useless question. You probably read the guide and you know the way you have been posting is not good town play. If Sandroba would have read the guide and actually has some recollection memory he should exactly know why i did ask this question which is still unanswered. Nice bandwagon btw VarpuliS People need to stop quoting guides and outside sources as ultimate authorities. They're good for sparking ideas, but they can't apply to every situation. Make your own arguments instead. Here are my suspicious posts: Vain: Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 21:32 Vain wrote:
I don't know how you percieved this but i had consistently scholeosis as maffia so please don't imply i just follow the crowd. I was the even only one that ended up voting for her. Why are you asking me if i am doctor or mafia? if i tell you im mafia i would be dead. If i tell you i am a doctor i would be dead AND the town loses a medic. So I am not going to answer your two sided question you figure it out yourself;) It almost seems as though you maintained your vote on scholeosis even after it was 100% clear that she would not possibly be lynched in order to have some kind of defense for later use. It's almost too calculated that you had that defense all whipped up and ready for use at the first moment's notice. Forumite: Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 22:12 Forumite wrote:
I am one of the probable Townies, and I hinted that I had something really good that I was waiting to drop, which is probably why they aimed for me.
I would like you to note that I didn´t say I was saved at first. Partly because I didn´t see the PM until this morning, but also because I wanted to lure out the Mafia, and because I knew people would suspect me if I say I was saved. Saying I´m saved doesn´t help much, except if I get someone to make a mistake, like Vain did. I think it's pretty clear that you are lying your ass off here. You posted 9 and 15 minutes after the PM's went out. I find it extremely hard to believe that you "didn't see the PM" during this time, especially considering that there were 3 posts in between your posts, and yours popped up at the front of a new page. These circumstances would have required at the bare minimum a couple f5's to be caught up. Not to mention that PM's are emailed to you assuming you havn't turned that function off. It doesn't add up. So basically: FOS: Vain FOS: Forumite
Points finger at vain, never talks about shcoleosis. Agrees with bulshit analysis done on Forumite even though anyone can see there was simply no way he was 100% town at this point since everyone had already posted and no one claimed medic.
shcoleosis and elmizzt are both mafia. gg
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Just posting the current voting situation, should be accurate but I might have done a mistake. Below are earlier votes during Day 2, but no FoS. Suspicion in votes have gone from Vain over to Shcoleosis, even before he claimed Medic. I took the liberty of coloring Elmizzt abd Shcoleosis as Red because they are to me the most likely Mafia.
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Current Votes:
Shcoleosis: 5
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Zorkmid:
##Vote Forumite - Unvoted
##Vote Scholeosis
Sandroba
##Vote: scholeosis - Unvoted
##Vote: Vain - Unvoted
##Vote: Scholeosis
Forumite
##Vote: Vain - Unvoted
##Vote: Shcoleosis
VarpuliS
##Vote: Vain - Unvoted
##Vote: Shcoleosis
Eternalmisfit
##Vote: Vain - Unvoted
##Vote: Shcoleosis
Vain
NOT YET VOTED
Elmizzt
NOT YET VOTED
Shcoleosis
NOT YET VOTED
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On April 19 2011 22:48 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Since Vain claimed medic and no one else has claimed medic, it is safe to assume that he is indeed medic.
Modified analysis
Vain
Forumite
Sandroba - I think he is either blue or mafia since he checked PM's and claimed block almost instantly after the day started. However, it seems harder and harder to associate an accomplice to him. Though, since he has been pushing for lynching Vain, he might indeed be scum.
VarpuliS and Zorkmid have seemed pro-town for the most.
Scholeosis and Elmizzt seem mafia scum to me.
##Unvote
##Vote: Shcoleosis
I do not agree with labeling sandroba as scum. Pushing for lynching me if he was scum would mean he would be the next target if i flipped medic which he knew if he was scum.
There is another possibility that he is mafia and hoped for me to claim my role. Then he could say that he didnt know that i was medic because he was acusing me.
Still i do label him as town since i do not find the 2nd theory very plausable
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Day ends in 8 hours and 5 minutes ^_^
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On April 20 2011 02:55 GMarshal wrote:
Day ends in 8 hours and 5 minutes ^_^
That better be a good smiley
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No cell phone service anywhere in the hotel... Thank god I brought my laptop.
Sandroba seems very pro-town to me, but isn't a guaranteed townie. Right now Forumite is the only one who definitely isn't scum. I think that we're on the right track by voting for Shcoleosis and suspecting Elmizzt.
There isn't very much left to discuss at the moment, because neither Shcoleosis nor Elmizzt seems to be around to defend themselves.
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On April 20 2011 04:37 VarpuliS wrote:
No cell phone service anywhere in the hotel... Thank god I brought my laptop.
Sandroba seems very pro-town to me, but isn't a guaranteed townie. Right now Forumite is the only one who definitely isn't scum. I think that we're on the right track by voting for Shcoleosis and suspecting Elmizzt.
There isn't very much left to discuss at the moment, because neither Shcoleosis nor Elmizzt seems to be around to defend themselves.
Well i don't think they can say alot what could lift the suspicion on them
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Think we are at point where we have to wait and watch. If Shcoleosis flips out town, then it will be back to the drawing board for a lot of us.
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We know who we want to lynch, we only wait to see if it was the right choice.
By the way Vain, I suggest you vote too.
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On April 20 2011 06:53 Forumite wrote:
We know who we want to lynch, we only wait to see if it was the right choice.
By the way Vain, I suggest you vote too.
Jeah, would suck to be modkilled
##Vote: Shcoleosis
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Current Vote tally
Shcoleosis (6)
sandroba
Zorkmid
Forumite
sandroba
VarpuliS
Eternalmisfit
Vain
Vain (0)
sandroba
Forumite
VarpuliS
Eternalmisfit
Forumite (0)
Zorkmid
elmizzt and Shcoleosis have yet to vote, and risk being modkilled
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Kinda sucks that in such a small game people are going to get modkilled. It's going to suck ass if Elmizzt and Scholeosis flip red.
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If they don´t vote then that´s probably because they know they have lost. If both are modkilled as red then I´d count that as a Town win.
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Been waiting to see if scholeosis has anything to say, but at this point I think she is too busy studying for her finals or something lol.
I'm going to go with my strongest feeling based on my previous post.
##Vote: Forumite
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On April 20 2011 10:40 elmizzt wrote:
Been waiting to see if scholeosis has anything to say, but at this point I think she is too busy studying for her finals or something lol.
I'm going to go with my strongest feeling based on my previous post.
##Vote: Forumite
Your previous post was
+ Show Spoiler +On April 19 2011 08:19 elmizzt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2011 08:08 VarpuliS wrote:
Vain, for all of the guides you claim to read, you don't seem to know what a bandwagon is. A bandwagon would be me seeing three other people voting for you, and do the same without giving a reason. A bandwagon is not reading an analysis, debating it with others, being convinced, and then voting for you. Weak defense.
Also, nobody knows what you're talking about when you reference the guides. If you want to ask a question, just ask it, don't be vague.
To all the people calling Forumite a liar: Then what did happen? Mafia decided not to hit anybody? why the hell would they do that? Elmizzt, how did you know when the PM's went out? Are you claiming blue?
No, I'm not claiming blue with that post. But I think it's safe to say that the PM's would go out as close to humanly possible as the post announcing the new day/night, would it not?
Lol
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On April 20 2011 10:46 Vain wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2011 10:40 elmizzt wrote:
Been waiting to see if scholeosis has anything to say, but at this point I think she is too busy studying for her finals or something lol.
I'm going to go with my strongest feeling based on my previous post.
##Vote: Forumite Your previous post was + Show Spoiler +On April 19 2011 08:19 elmizzt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2011 08:08 VarpuliS wrote:
Vain, for all of the guides you claim to read, you don't seem to know what a bandwagon is. A bandwagon would be me seeing three other people voting for you, and do the same without giving a reason. A bandwagon is not reading an analysis, debating it with others, being convinced, and then voting for you. Weak defense.
Also, nobody knows what you're talking about when you reference the guides. If you want to ask a question, just ask it, don't be vague.
To all the people calling Forumite a liar: Then what did happen? Mafia decided not to hit anybody? why the hell would they do that? Elmizzt, how did you know when the PM's went out? Are you claiming blue?
No, I'm not claiming blue with that post. But I think it's safe to say that the PM's would go out as close to humanly possible as the post announcing the new day/night, would it not? Lol
Previous post meaning post that came before this, not literally the one right before. I didn't bother being so specific, as I'm pretty sure nobody bothered to read it. I'll link you here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=211489¤tpage=20#391
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On April 20 2011 10:48 elmizzt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2011 10:46 Vain wrote:On April 20 2011 10:40 elmizzt wrote:
Been waiting to see if scholeosis has anything to say, but at this point I think she is too busy studying for her finals or something lol.
I'm going to go with my strongest feeling based on my previous post.
##Vote: Forumite Your previous post was + Show Spoiler +On April 19 2011 08:19 elmizzt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2011 08:08 VarpuliS wrote:
Vain, for all of the guides you claim to read, you don't seem to know what a bandwagon is. A bandwagon would be me seeing three other people voting for you, and do the same without giving a reason. A bandwagon is not reading an analysis, debating it with others, being convinced, and then voting for you. Weak defense.
Also, nobody knows what you're talking about when you reference the guides. If you want to ask a question, just ask it, don't be vague.
To all the people calling Forumite a liar: Then what did happen? Mafia decided not to hit anybody? why the hell would they do that? Elmizzt, how did you know when the PM's went out? Are you claiming blue?
No, I'm not claiming blue with that post. But I think it's safe to say that the PM's would go out as close to humanly possible as the post announcing the new day/night, would it not? Lol Previous post meaning post that came before this, not literally the one right before. I didn't bother being so specific, as I'm pretty sure nobody bothered to read it. I'll link you here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=211489¤tpage=20#391
Aha, so with that reasoning i should be mafia too and forumite and i are lying our asses off
Well how do you explain sandroba claiming to be roleblocked then? There are only 2 mafia in the game so 3 people lying is pretty much impossible
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If shcholeosis flips red I don't see a point in continuing this game.
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On April 20 2011 10:55 sandroba wrote:
If shcholeosis flips red I don't see a point in continuing this game.
Why not? Just maby elmizzt is town after all and then who would be mafia?
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Btw if shcholeosis flips town i am eating my hat
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If shcoleosis flips red elmizzt is 100% mafia.
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Shcoleosis flips either mafia or medic, in that case you and zork are mafia and this game is over either way.
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Night 2
As the citizens woke up from their night of terror, they noticed that not only had the fog rolled out of town but that a warm soft pillar of light had engulfed their town. Almost as if in a dream, they looked at one another and knew. They knew what to do. Bringing Shcoleosis to the town square, they place her on the swinging noose and felt at ease. For some reason, instead of nervousness and worry, they were filled at peace. Just like Senj, Shcoleosis said not a word. But when her neck broke, it was not the blood of innocence that flowed out but the blood of guilt. The town rejoiced! Maybe the horrible incidences that had started this terror that was plaguing their town would be ending soon...
Shcoleosis the Mafia Roleblocker is dead.
Day 3 begins in 24 hours, please get your actions into me by Wednesday 10PM EST.
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GOTCHA!
We have a detective, feel free to rolecheck Elmizzt if you want to. If the detective survives the night then I suggest he should roleclaim and tell us if Elmizzt is Mafia, so we have a 100% sure lynch tomorrow.
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On April 20 2011 11:07 Forumite wrote:
GOTCHA!
We have a detective, feel free to rolecheck Elmizzt if you want to. If the detective survives the night then I suggest he should roleclaim and tell us if Elmizzt is Mafia, so we have a 100% sure lynch tomorrow.
I very much concur with this thought
On another note: This also means no hat-eating will be done tonight!
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Cool!! Got a mafia lynch. Since, she flipped role-blocker, this implies that we have a DT as well.
My current list based on this flip
Sandroba
Forumite
Vain
At this point, I am 90% sure that the above are town. This leave Elmizzit, VarpuliS, or Zorkmid as the second mafia.
I am tending towards Elmizzt as he seems the most suspicious of the three (Varp has made a strong case against Shcoleosis the first day). Elmizzt posted and voted only after it was guaranteed that there was no way Shcoleosis was going to survive.
I can't get a good read on Zorkmid though.
Since we definitely have a detective (since have both a medic and mafia roleblocker), I would recommend checking Elmizzt tonight. Based on that check, I think that we can wrap this up the next day.
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Aria’s Finale
Still bathed in the light falling down from the heavens, the citizens of the town instintively began to pray. Pray for the safety of the town, for the souls of chaoser and Gmarshal who had passed away in the line of duty, for the soul of Senj who gave his life in the good fight against the Mafia, and for the fear and terror to finally leave their hearts. They prayed and prayed when suddenly the skies darkened and thunder clouds rolled in. Perhaps their prays weren’t going to be answered they thought when suddenly a bolt of lightening flew down from the sky...
...and struck elmizzt square in the chest. Flamewheel has heard. And Flamewheel has spoken.
elmizzt the Mafia Goon was struck down
MAFIA CONCEDES!
TOWN WINS!
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Big thanks to chaoser and gmarshal for hosties
apologies to townies for being bad at scum
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For a second I thought he got modkilled. GG wp. I really enjoyed this game.
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Yeah!! Thanks to Chaoser and GM for hosting. It was quite fun.
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i wonder what happened to scholeosis, hope exams are going ok lol ><
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Not at all bad for a first game.
This is the first time i've seen a successful day 1 medic save, along with a roleblock on the DT and a dt check on a mafia.
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On April 16 2011 09:51 Shcoleosis wrote:After reading this thread entirely, here's what I think on the matter: In my opinion, one of the first to accuse is usually the guilty one. Automatically everyone’s opinions are immediately placed under suspicion as the game progresses. That being the case, a mafia member wouldn’t express his opinions as eagerly as he would if he were agreeing with someone else’s. He would, however, be quick to blame, because doing so would divert attention away from himself. Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 20:53 Zorkmid wrote:My FoS is on Shcoleosis as well for the same reasons, and will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit's argument about this Zorkmind person. On April 15 2011 20:06 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Also, I think the way Zorkmind is subtly derailing the discussion by talking about less fun in this mafia thread makes me wonder if has a hidden motive. Zorkmid came up with the idea of lynching inactives and lurkers. That would work out greatly to his advantage if he were part of the mafia since it is more of an opportunity to blend, right? The more we accuse those of having a different opinion, the less of a suspect he seems to be. I am not the first to disagree with him. I am not the first to be accused because I disagreed with him. Notice how Zorkmid says he “will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit’s argument about his Zorkmind person.” Why so defensive, Zorkmid? Perhaps he is afraid of everyone discovering how he is desperately trying to divert attention away from himself. He’s doing a great job of it. I had my suspicions about him early on because he's not only quick to agree with the majority, but he is also quick to blame. I didn't quote any other of his posts, but to me, he acts quite suspicious in most of them.
Early post from Shcoleosis accusing Zorkmid of being Mafia. This suggest strongly that Zorkmid is Town
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I didn't think mafia would be so hard for me. I had so many posts typed out and I ended up not posting because I reread them and felt they were too obvious. Then more people would post, and I would do the same, and ended up not posting anything for too long, and then it was even harder to start posting again after being under suspicion for not posting for so long lol.
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another batch of newbies ready for the big leagues?
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Roles
sandroba is Detective
Vain is Medic
Night 1 Actions
elmizzt hits Forumite
Vain protects Forumite
sandroba checks Scholeosis
Shcoleosis roleblocks sandroba
Yeah...
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GG!
Zorkmid was the detective? What was his first night-action?
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On April 20 2011 11:18 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 09:51 Shcoleosis wrote:After reading this thread entirely, here's what I think on the matter: In my opinion, one of the first to accuse is usually the guilty one. Automatically everyone’s opinions are immediately placed under suspicion as the game progresses. That being the case, a mafia member wouldn’t express his opinions as eagerly as he would if he were agreeing with someone else’s. He would, however, be quick to blame, because doing so would divert attention away from himself. On April 15 2011 20:53 Zorkmid wrote:My FoS is on Shcoleosis as well for the same reasons, and will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit's argument about this Zorkmind person. On April 15 2011 20:06 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Also, I think the way Zorkmind is subtly derailing the discussion by talking about less fun in this mafia thread makes me wonder if has a hidden motive. Zorkmid came up with the idea of lynching inactives and lurkers. That would work out greatly to his advantage if he were part of the mafia since it is more of an opportunity to blend, right? The more we accuse those of having a different opinion, the less of a suspect he seems to be. I am not the first to disagree with him. I am not the first to be accused because I disagreed with him. Notice how Zorkmid says he “will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit’s argument about his Zorkmind person.” Why so defensive, Zorkmid? Perhaps he is afraid of everyone discovering how he is desperately trying to divert attention away from himself. He’s doing a great job of it. I had my suspicions about him early on because he's not only quick to agree with the majority, but he is also quick to blame. I didn't quote any other of his posts, but to me, he acts quite suspicious in most of them. Early post from Shcoleosis accusing Zorkmid of being Mafia. This suggest strongly that Zorkmid is Town
Jeah, but he kept defending me instead of bandwagoning with the rest that i was mafia. I just thought he checked on me and saw i was medic. I couldn't be more wrong omg
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I would like to congratulate town for playing great:
Vain: Fucking nice save! Did a way better job than me of hidding his blueness!
Zorkmid: Nice agressiviness that helped analyse everyone's reaction. Overall great town play.
Varpulis: Huge dedication and analysis, nice work man!
Forumite: Nice bait, made everything clear as crystal day 2.
Ethernal: Always calm, and collected, good analysis and logical thinking.
Congrats everyone, and sorry if I missrepresented anyone!
Cheers!
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+ Show Spoiler [rolelist] +1. Forumite Townie
2. VarpuliS Townie
3. elmizzt Mafia Goon
4. Senj - Townie
5. sandroba Detective
6. Zorkmid Townie
7. Shcoleosis Mafia Roleblocker
8. Eternalmisfit Townie
9. Vain Doctor
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Night 1 Actions
elmizzt hits Forumite
sandroba checks Scholeosis
Shcoleosis roleblocks sandroba
Van protects Forumite
That´s some impressive symmetry.
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On April 20 2011 11:18 elmizzt wrote:
I didn't think mafia would be so hard for me. I had so many posts typed out and I ended up not posting because I reread them and felt they were too obvious. Then more people would post, and I would do the same, and ended up not posting anything for too long, and then it was even harder to start posting again after being under suspicion for not posting for so long lol.
Mafia is hard
But yes, what killed the mafia team this game was a surprisingly active town, accompanied by a lack of posting from your side. The slip up on night 1 didn't help any.
Either way it was well played, and I was pleasantly surprised by the amount of activity.
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On April 20 2011 11:20 sandroba wrote:
I would like to congratulate town for playing great:
Vain: Fucking nice save! Did a way better job than me of hidding his blueness!
Zorkmid: Nice agressiviness that helped analyse everyone's reaction. Overall great town play.
Varpulis: Huge dedication and analysis, nice work man!
Forumite: Nice bait, made everything clear as crystal day 2.
Ethernal: Always calm, and collected, good analysis and logical thinking.
Congrats everyone, and sorry if I missrepresented anyone!
Cheers!
Jeah, but sucks i fucked up with that first post. I was so happy for having a successful save that i slipped a bit. I think i could have hid it for days if i didn't do that
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GM and I were like...what the fuck...these actions have been fucking planned, they playing us...
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On April 20 2011 11:22 chaoser wrote:
GM and I were like...what the fuck...these actions have been fucking planned, they playing us...
Well the kill save was actually not too hard. I just thought by myself: " Ok, if i were maffia and want to create a massive clusterfuck. Who whould i kill? ''. Well i guessed that was forumite and turned out to be true^^
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Also, thank you GM and chaoser for hosting this game! I enjoyed it greatly.
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On April 20 2011 11:22 Vain wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2011 11:20 sandroba wrote:
I would like to congratulate town for playing great:
Vain: Fucking nice save! Did a way better job than me of hidding his blueness!
Zorkmid: Nice agressiviness that helped analyse everyone's reaction. Overall great town play.
Varpulis: Huge dedication and analysis, nice work man!
Forumite: Nice bait, made everything clear as crystal day 2.
Ethernal: Always calm, and collected, good analysis and logical thinking.
Congrats everyone, and sorry if I missrepresented anyone!
Cheers! Jeah, but sucks i fucked up with that first post. I was so happy for having a successful save that i slipped a bit. I think i could have hid it for days if i didn't do that
Bah, it got us talking, gave us more posts from the Mafia.
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On April 20 2011 11:22 Vain wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2011 11:20 sandroba wrote:
I would like to congratulate town for playing great:
Vain: Fucking nice save! Did a way better job than me of hidding his blueness!
Zorkmid: Nice agressiviness that helped analyse everyone's reaction. Overall great town play.
Varpulis: Huge dedication and analysis, nice work man!
Forumite: Nice bait, made everything clear as crystal day 2.
Ethernal: Always calm, and collected, good analysis and logical thinking.
Congrats everyone, and sorry if I missrepresented anyone!
Cheers! Jeah, but sucks i fucked up with that first post. I was so happy for having a successful save that i slipped a bit. I think i could have hid it for days if i didn't do that
In hindsight, the slip-up and resulting medic/save claim cleared up a lot of the confusion since it decreased the number of potential mafia significantly.
Also, it was quite obvious that Sandroba was either DT or mafia since he claimed a role-block 1 min after day post (rather unlikely for a townie). Thus, it was quite likely he had a role in which he would likely be getting back a PM.
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Yeah LOL, I was so ansious for my result! Fucking terrible blue play.
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On April 20 2011 11:27 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2011 11:22 Vain wrote:On April 20 2011 11:20 sandroba wrote:
I would like to congratulate town for playing great:
Vain: Fucking nice save! Did a way better job than me of hidding his blueness!
Zorkmid: Nice agressiviness that helped analyse everyone's reaction. Overall great town play.
Varpulis: Huge dedication and analysis, nice work man!
Forumite: Nice bait, made everything clear as crystal day 2.
Ethernal: Always calm, and collected, good analysis and logical thinking.
Congrats everyone, and sorry if I missrepresented anyone!
Cheers! Jeah, but sucks i fucked up with that first post. I was so happy for having a successful save that i slipped a bit. I think i could have hid it for days if i didn't do that Bah, it got us talking, gave us more posts from the Mafia.
Well all i was thinking was:. SHIT I FUCKED UP, DEAD MAN WALKING:
I had all this wild theories of varpuliS being a criminal mastermind and stuff. but i am glad most things are far more simple than i thought
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Analysis of the game will be coming up
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On April 20 2011 11:31 sandroba wrote:
Yeah LOL, I was so ansious for my result! Fucking terrible blue play.
With hindsight it all ads up. I thought the chance of mafia guessing right were rather slim so i just assumed you saw the pm relatively fast
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Yay! I'd been hoping that a kind vet would analyze our game and show us what we did right and what we did wrong.
I think I'll join the next TL Mafia standard game, whenever that is. Things will get much harder, I imagine, when there are 30+ people to keep track of, rather than 9.
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Congrats town, GG all. This was a pleasantly fun game to read.
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On April 20 2011 11:33 chaoser wrote:
Analysis of the game will be coming up
I have a really good one.
Game begins.
1st modkill
2nd modkill
3rd modkill
TOWN WINS!
THE END
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On April 20 2011 11:20 sandroba wrote:
I would like to congratulate town for playing great:
Vain: Fucking nice save! Did a way better job than me of hidding his blueness!
Zorkmid: Nice agressiviness that helped analyse everyone's reaction. Overall great town play.
Varpulis: Huge dedication and analysis, nice work man!
Forumite: Nice bait, made everything clear as crystal day 2.
Ethernal: Always calm, and collected, good analysis and logical thinking.
Congrats everyone, and sorry if I missrepresented anyone!
Cheers!
Awwww thanks ♥ !
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On April 20 2011 11:18 Coagulation wrote:
another batch of newbies ready for the big leagues?
I'm in as a replacement for XVIII but that game seems mostly over.
Really looking forward to sleeper cell.
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On April 20 2011 11:52 Zorkmid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2011 11:18 Coagulation wrote:
another batch of newbies ready for the big leagues? I'm in as a replacement for XVIII but that game seems mostly over. Really looking forward to sleeper cell.
Me2. More role, More players. what could i wish more for
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See you guys there! I'm in aswell.
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On April 20 2011 11:52 Zorkmid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2011 11:18 Coagulation wrote:
another batch of newbies ready for the big leagues? I'm in as a replacement for XVIII but that game seems mostly over. Really looking forward to sleeper cell.
dude you are in XVIII now you replaced a guy lol... you should probably head over there.
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On April 20 2011 12:01 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2011 11:52 Zorkmid wrote:On April 20 2011 11:18 Coagulation wrote:
another batch of newbies ready for the big leagues? I'm in as a replacement for XVIII but that game seems mostly over. Really looking forward to sleeper cell. dude you are in XVIII now you replaced a guy lol... you should probably head over there.
rofl!
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On April 20 2011 12:01 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2011 11:52 Zorkmid wrote:On April 20 2011 11:18 Coagulation wrote:
another batch of newbies ready for the big leagues? I'm in as a replacement for XVIII but that game seems mostly over. Really looking forward to sleeper cell. dude you are in XVIII now you replaced a guy lol... you should probably head over there.
Oh, lol. he's on the list. Well that means no sleeper cell for a while
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Oh and Good luck spitting trough 165 pages of information LOL
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Sleeper cell doesn't start until XVIII ends.
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On April 20 2011 12:05 Zorkmid wrote:
Sleeper cell doesn't start until XVIII ends.
-_- YOU ARE IN XVIII RIGHT NOW. I suggest you talk with brownbear.
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kitaman27
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On April 20 2011 11:52 Zorkmid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2011 11:18 Coagulation wrote:
another batch of newbies ready for the big leagues? I'm in as a replacement for XVIII but that game seems mostly over. Really looking forward to sleeper cell.
Its only day 4. The game is not mostly over. -_-
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On April 20 2011 12:14 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2011 12:05 Zorkmid wrote:
Sleeper cell doesn't start until XVIII ends. -_- YOU ARE IN XVIII RIGHT NOW. I suggest you talk with brownbear.
Why does everyone assume I'm a dumbass? I've made two votes already !
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Congratulations town, gg all.
Great first game, town wins are the exception rather than the norm around here. And I can't remember when I last saw a medic save.
Looking forward to playing with you
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On April 20 2011 15:39 Barundar wrote:Congratulations town, gg all. Great first game, town wins are the exception rather than the norm around here. And I can't remember when I last saw a medic save. Looking forward to playing with you
Yeah because bus driver saves are much more common now :D
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On April 20 2011 15:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2011 15:39 Barundar wrote:Congratulations town, gg all. Great first game, town wins are the exception rather than the norm around here. And I can't remember when I last saw a medic save. Looking forward to playing with you Yeah because bus driver saves are much more common now :D
They can even save themselves! (hihi)
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By the way, I assume you guys have all seen LSB's sig? He lost the grudge match, so it now reads: Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
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On April 20 2011 11:33 chaoser wrote:
Analysis of the game will be coming up
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OH GOD, MY EYES! I CAN NOT UNSEE!
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sorry, finals are coming up and GM and I are swamped, I think GM has something written up and I'll get on it soon, i promise!
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My analysis is on page 12/26, I have a paper due in less than three hours, I'll try to get the analysis finished after that, no matter what I'll have it done by friday night at the latest.
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On April 21 2011 01:06 chaoser wrote:
sorry, finals are coming up and GM and I are swamped, I think GM has something written up and I'll get on it soon, i promise!
Don't worry dude, was more of an excuse to waste time making a meme
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On April 20 2011 21:24 VarpuliS wrote:By the way, I assume you guys have all seen LSB's sig? He lost the grudge match, so it now reads: Show nested quote +Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
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On April 21 2011 01:22 GMarshal wrote:
My analysis is on page 12/26, I have a paper due in less than three hours, I'll try to get the analysis finished after that, no matter what I'll have it done by friday night at the latest.
Friday is fine
Btw zorkmid win that game already! want to start with sleeper cell^^
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I'm hoping for 3 people to have to back out of sleeper cell at the last minute, because the only spot I could get was replacement #3... 
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Anyone following Newbie Mini maffia?
Im feeling like such a vet already, lol
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Fuuuuuuu. I went out of town to party with a friend and forgot to vote. -_-
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On April 24 2011 03:38 Senj wrote:
Fuuuuuuu. I went out of town to party with a friend and forgot to vote. -_-
rofl. i figured it was something like that
looking forward to gm's analysis
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On April 24 2011 03:38 Senj wrote:
Fuuuuuuu. I went out of town to party with a friend and forgot to vote. -_-
Well don't despair. You won after all XD
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Hahaha. Win from the grave. I'll take it.
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On April 25 2011 10:23 Senj wrote:
Hahaha. Win from the grave. I'll take it.
AKA loss.
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