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On April 25 2011 11:11 Jackal58 wrote: 1/3??? So five scum? Or 6? Fuck dude. How many KP do they have? I don't see that in the OP. The number of scum is unknown exactly. Reading the godfather's ability carefully indicates that the scum have only one KP. That means that even with 5 mafia, it's going to a while before lylo. | ||
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On April 25 2011 11:55 Impervious wrote: I think in this setup; the sleeper agents would want the game to go on as long as possible. This would allow more communication, as well as the ability to only kill non-agent positions (rather than mislynch). Once they've identified each other, this will quickly change, however. Then again, the longer the game goes on, the more likely it is that the intelligence analyst can identify the reds and then claim who they all are. The downside is that they need to claim and give the town their info before they die..... In my experience, a short game means a mafia sweep with no losses while a longer game means at least a few mafia get killed. So I don't think the mafia wants the game to go on as long as possible at all. | ||
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Honestly, I'm not even sure what this exercise is for. Looking at the playerlist and picking out three names is nothing like being the GF and picking out one name from your scum team. But oh well. Ace, why, and wiggles or GMarshal. For the message, I'd try to think of one keyword that could be associated with each player on the scum team, and include those keywords in the message, hoping the agent would be clever enough to figure out that those are his teammates. That might be too close to giving the names, but I don't know, it's my first idea. | ||
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On April 27 2011 06:20 Eiii wrote: I could, in theory, run through the thread and try to squeeze some sort of meaning out of the 5-20 posts everyone has made so far but I don't think anyone'd be better off for it. I understand that discussion like that is overall a good thing, but at this point I don't feel I could come up with anything that doesn't make me look bad :/ This early game time is by far what I'm worst at at the moment-- without anything having actually *happened* yet I have a really hard time seeing anyone as scummy or innocent. Of your list of three lurkers up there, GGQ is the most suspicious to me atm-- I remember him being fairly active in XXXVIII and very active in Insane 2, but so far he's made four posts, two of which have been about the rules/setup. Trying to chainsaw the lurker label on to me, nice. You literally just gave an explanation for why you haven't posted much, then said I'm suspicious because I haven't posted much. Give me a break. Not to mention, my post count so far in this game is very much in line with my usual play. I always focus on quality instead of quantity. For future referance, though, school's out and I'm working now, so I can only post between supper and bedtime. I'll try to keep activity up, of course, but my hours of access will be limited. | ||
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On April 27 2011 00:26 GMarshal wrote: Jackal, I like your accusation, however I would leave tnkted alone for now as if he has a weird role as he claims the mafia is much more likely to hit him You are approaching this like a regular game. Because of the agent mechanic, the other mafia don't know if he is mafia or blue, so they won't risk hitting him. | ||
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On April 27 2011 10:18 chaoser wrote: Day Ends in less than 1 hour Kenpachi and Imprevious need to revote since they voted for themselves. GGQ, Mr. Wiggles, Rean, Eiii, Tackster, and Vain all need to vote or they will be modkilled. OP says days end at midnight EST. | ||
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On April 28 2011 13:00 GMarshal wrote: f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5 | ||
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On April 28 2011 13:06 GMarshal wrote: Fuck, there goes my chance of getting the girl.... gl town, nail those bastards for me /salute bed time, give me something to talk about tomorrow, guys. | ||
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On April 29 2011 01:34 why wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 27 2011 08:47 Jackal58 wrote: Long drive home. Traffic sucked. Actually traffic lights sucked. The first 20 miles they were all out. Fuck me. Anyways I was pondering what I may have said or done to appear scummy to Why and Ace. I honestly can't think of a reason. I have been honest and straight up with my posts. I asked questions about sandroba and why he would make a post that alluded to information he wouldn't share. Why thought that was scummy. sandroba answered it and others beat me about the head and shoulders about it. I'm not always the most astute person in the world. I moved on. I did what I felt was an honest analysis of tnkted. I was hoping tnk would respond so we could move on. Tnkted is playing in a game I am cohosting on another forum He has not been there all day so I am going to assume he just has life going on today. Ace just says I'm scummy with no real reasons. He says tnkted is just playing poorly. and I'm scum because I analyzed him. I say bull shit to both their votes. So my traffic addled brain came up with two reasons. The first one is scum cannot build a bus today because they don't know each other. Except for one. This scenario would put why in the scum camp with Ace as the CL. It's the only bus scum can do. Why has disappeared. Ace has voted me because I'm scummy. The second scenario is this. I was talking to Coagulation before the game started about the people playing. Asking him for his opinion of those that I hadn't played with or played very little with. Most are names I don't know. Coag didn't know them either. But his assessment of Ace was much praise on his ability to play scum. He said he's one of the best. But that was followed by "But his town play absolutely sucks". So now I am torn between two options. I honestly don't know which scenario makes more sense to me. I really do hate day 1. I put some light pressure on you. Ace tells me my reason for pressure was completely stupid here: + Show Spoiler + On April 26 2011 05:42 Ace wrote: That's not anti-town. Whether or not sandroba is correct in sharing his information and whether anyone believes what he is hiding is beneficial to the town, Jackal laying a FoS on him for that isn't anti-town. anti-town is doing something that hampers the goal of killing scum. This isn't such an incident and it is a relevant discussion. Add it up to your suspicion points and keep letting him dig a hole for himself if you think he's so anti-town. then like 12 hours later accuses you for completely different reasons. You come to the conclusion that either Ace sucks at town play or Ace and I are in a scum bandwagon together. Sounds paranoid to me. I'd still rather put pressure on Ace though. Speaking of which: ##Vote: Ace Jackal, who are your top suspects at the moment? There are now enough posts to at least have some suspicions... ...do you actually think his behavior is scummy? The fact that Ace didn't die probably means that a lot of the sleeper agents think that Ace is scum, not necessarily that Ace actually is scum. No, I don't find his behavior particularly scummy. His plan forced action out of a lot of players that would have posted much less, and he already explained how it was helpful to town. It wasn't as earth-shaking as we might have liked, but it was a good plan that promoted activity and left us with some useful information. I read over his posts again, and they don't stand out as scum posts to me. | ||
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The analysis on jackal seems solid enough, and jackal hasn't been playing like his usual town style. It could be his attempt to form a more rational and less tunneling style as he claims, or he could be mafia. He keeps mentioning that mafia are likely to the ones with few posts, while he keeps posting without saying much of relevance. His one analysis of a player is full of self-doubt and not followed strongly at all, which isn't like jackal. | ||
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Also, something I forgot to mention before. You seem to think that lynching the cell leader will remove the scum's ability to communicate, but scum gets a new cell leader chosen, so... yeah. To Ace and Wiggles, what I can't get around is why he would trade himself 1 for 1 with jackal if he's scum. If it's a fake claim, what is he trying to accomplish here? | ||
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On April 30 2011 06:11 bumatlarge wrote: Who said I was angry? I mentioned the happy birthday as an item of interest which jackal happened to be involved in, and your initial response to my claim seemed like you took personal offense from my suggestion. Your calling it bad play as you are wrapping your head around it, so I'm not sure if you're thinking aloud in the thread or you have a preconceived notion of you are supposed to think of my claim. If you got a message that said "carXXXXXXXXXX" would you dismiss jackal being scum? Of course not, you would assume that that is what he meant. That's all they should need. I didn't see anything else in this thread when I read it over that went as off-topic as jackal mentioning his carride. All you've done with my analysis is call it bad because I generalize jackal's behavior very quickly. There is no more need for it if I have seen jackal reference CL and breadcrumbs in every single post he has made in the first day. Only a CL would be that concerned about it. And I do not care if it is obvious. A crumb just needs to slip by. If you go "well jackal's car ride was to obvious, it's not a real crumb" then congrats to jackal he did a good job! And you drill me for picking one up? He's thoroughly panic-stricken over it. + Show Spoiler + On April 25 2011 23:14 Jackal58 wrote: Well thanks for that. And how would you transmit this information? You said you can do so without posting anything in the thread. I'm curious how that mechanic would work. You can't send names. You can only contact 1 at a time. You have 5 words or 20 characters/msg. Please don't answer that. God forbid the cell leader gets his hands on super secret stealth communications abilities. Please stop posting pointless "I would do something but I'm not telling you what it is" posts. This thread is for discussion. If you don't feel you can discuss something don't mention it. You're beginning to look a lot like somebody that wants to post a lot of useless stuff just to appear to be contributing. That seems like borderline paranoia from sandroba not telling him how to inform all scum of who is who. And then tnkted doesn't die, who is the more important blue  That there is nor reason to mention it. It doesn't have any effect on the thread what so ever. Thats what I think an obvious and good breadcrumb is. Ok then, what is the bottom of things? I am IA, so based purely on that jackal is 75% CL and 25% not. I have a very good eye for this day 1 shit. I wouldn't bring this up if I didn't think jackal was certain cell leader. Well that is a real shame, because they need to provide input.Don't blame my claim for people's lurking. Blame their lurking for their lurking! I think 7 of those 8 are town so, I hope they can act in town's best interest. This, I think, is the strongest part of bum's analysis on jackal, because I've seen the principle in action before and it's an easy way to accidentally slip your role. When you have a role and you are thinking about how to play it, that can subconsciously slip into your posts. jackal's focus on the CL and what the CL might be doing or thinking is very suspicious to me. So far, his responses seem like a legitimately pissed off townie, though. | ||
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On April 30 2011 07:07 Ace wrote: bum what many other things? You have nothing. I know you're lying because your claim just. doesn't. make. sense. There is no "townie reaction here". The only reaction is that you said and I'll say this again: 1.) you investigated Jackal 2.) got an inconclusive result In no way can you say Jackal is Scum for sure now. You got an IC result, figured Jackal must be the CL then went from there. That isn't actual Scum hunting is it? You're trying to fit Jackal into what you think happens to be Scummy instead of finding Jackal to be scum. Big difference here. GGQ that part you bolded actually isn't a strong part of his analysis at all. Other players have talked about the CL, tnkted pulled some move earlier that was a "bread crumb", even GM made a list of DT checks and talked about the Intelligence Agent taking a shot Night 1: So in what way does bum decide that jackal stands out more than any of them? You and everyone else need to change your votes. Especially with this little gem right here: It's Day 2. How do you know they are all town? Only way you would know that if is you know who is all Scum. Hello Mr. Cell Leader. Yeah, tnkted has been playing weirdly, but that's not the issue right now. Jackal has been focused on the CL to a strange degree, he's not playing like he usually does, his one attack in this game has been weak and self-undermining. I don't trust him. He's also overreacting to getting voted when I don't think he was ever leading the lynch. | ||
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On April 30 2011 08:48 Jackal58 wrote: Mafia isn't supposed to be a morality play. So why do I feel scummy voting for Bum? I feel like I'm doing a huge omgus but I also feel like I have no other choice. Bum is not my first choice for my vote. But I really need to know what he is. ##VOTE: Bumatlarge This is such a bad bad vote. Just because you are pointing out that your move is scummy doesn't stop it from being scummy. | ||
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So much more work! I was hoping it'd be obvious to people who looked, but ok. In general, he posts with a low profile, contributing but not sticking his neck out. Then there are these two posts in particular: On April 27 2011 02:21 Zorkmid wrote: If I had to guess right now who is mafia I'd say that Tkdted is the most likely. The problem is that I'm afraid that he's equally likely to be a helpful role. Beyond him, I'd say that Mr. Wiggles is a good candidate for no other reason of inactivity. I'm also suspicious of Sandroba, who tried to cast me as mafia in the "surprising normal game I", I feel like he is acting much like he was last game, so maybe he's changing things up on purpose. If I were a DT, a good idea would be to check Tkdted because of his strange claim, maybe sandroba. If I was stuck for someone to check, I'd pick someone with a low post count (Im not quite sure who that is right now, but I'd find that out) On April 27 2011 03:17 Zorkmid wrote: Strategy to make the DTs waste checks on you perhaps? The second one in particular makes it seem like he is already thinking like a dt, presumably because he is one. | ||
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On April 30 2011 12:04 Ace wrote: mentioning DTs doesn't make you a DT  @bum: *yawn* No, but isn't it weird that that's his reaction to tnkted's claim? What a convoluted thought process if he isn't a dt. | ||
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On April 30 2011 12:18 Ace wrote: what claim? tnkted never claimed. You keep making that mistake in your reading. Not the point, dude. | ||
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On April 30 2011 12:19 Ace wrote: it is. Zorkmid can't "react like a DT" if there isn't a role claim. Re-read the context of that post. It doesn't matter whether it was a role claim or not. Call it a 'gambit' then. Zorkmid's post suggests that he thinks tnkted's entire gambit was an attempt to draw and waste a dt check. I mean, really? | ||
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On May 01 2011 07:40 tnkted wrote: I think its time that we start posting scumlists! Here's mine: CL Jackal/Ace - obvious reasons that have been gone over many times before. Ace is most dangerous. Agents Eiii - Eiii's meta is to be lurkylurky and then appear suddenly with a very well thought out and expressive post that benefits town. He hasn't done that this game. Varpulis - This is still true. I want to pressure Varpulis a little bit. Varp, who seems suspicious to you? What about darmousseh. He's using 'busy' as an excuse not to post much. The only time i've seen him do that is in insane 2, when he was scum. | ||
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On May 01 2011 08:28 Ace wrote: *yawn* Ace, what do you think of Wiggle's analysis on Impervious? | ||
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gl team | ||
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Ace is the boss, by the way, lol. Town just got further and further away from figuring out what was going on as the game progressed. On day 2, I figured Ace would be able to get bum lynched so I argued against Ace for bum's sake both to prevent the lynch from being too one-sided, and to keep town's focus on that one issue instead of actually scum-hunting. I dont know if jackal and sandroba were already going to kill me just for that, or if they killed me because of my 'scumhunting' at night. If it was my night posts, then I blame Ace! Ace sent me a message saying 'kill the Canadian poster tonight'. Well, Wiggles and Impervious are both Canadian! So I tried to crumb this to Ace by asking Wiggles to analyse Impervious. Ace didn't pick up on it, so I asked him what he thought of the analysis. He still didn't figure it out, lol. So I just guessed Wiggles but it didn't end up mattering anyway  . Ah well, job well done, sleeper cell. | ||
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On May 06 2011 13:17 GMarshal wrote: Also, bum pegged the whole frigging mafia team and you guys just disregarded it. Not me! :D | ||
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