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Day 2
BREAKING NEWS BREAKING NEWS BREAKING NEWS BREAKING NEWS
Neighbors were startled by the sound of gunshots at 22:00 tonight. Police responded immediately, but were unable to apprehend the attacker.
The body of Gmarshal was found on the floor of his bedroom, his arm outstreched towards his bedside table. Within, investigators found a Glock 23 Standard Issue firearm. The house was quickly cordoned off by SIA agents. Deputy Director Chaoser quickly released this statement:
"The man you all knew as Gmarshal was actually one of my finest agents, Agent Sean Plott. Agent Plott was investigating the terrorist cell undercover from inside the town. He will be dearly missed.
Unfortunately, we cannot release any information about the murder. We are working very hard to crack down on this terrorist cell. But know this, terrorist scum: The murder of one of our own will only make us double, triple our efforts. We will not go quietly into the night. We SHALL discover you. And WHEN WE DO-"
At this point, an SIA aide ushered the Deputy Director off stage.
Well, quite a speech. I can only pray that the terrorist cell is brought down swiftly, before more innocents are killed.
This is iGrok of the Channel 4 News Team, signing off for the moment. Tune in tonight for the continuing coverage of Terror Watch 2011!
Gmarshal the Intelligence Agent is dead
Day ends at 00:00 EST April 30th.
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Fuck, there goes my chance of getting the girl....
gl town, nail those bastards for me
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On April 28 2011 13:06 GMarshal wrote:
Fuck, there goes my chance of getting the girl....
gl town, nail those bastards for me
/salute
bed time, give me something to talk about tomorrow, guys.
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On April 28 2011 13:06 GMarshal wrote:
Fuck, there goes my chance of getting the girl....
gl town, nail those bastards for me
Well poop. We will man.
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Sorry for not posting more, I've unexpectedly had to work multiple 14 hour days and haven't had time to do anything but sleep and work. I've asked for a replacement, but until that comes through I'm going to do my best to help out.
I think Ace should be the number one lynch candidate today. Here are my reasons:
Ace's plan resulted in very little information for town. It supposedly generated a DT check list by seeing who would be the most likely to be messaged if they were a sleeper. However, this obviously has very little relation to who is actually a sleeper. I think it was a lot of hoopla for not a lot of payoff, which makes me think that Ace had an alternative plan. My guess is that he is either a sleeper agent that is trying to help the CL by providing an excuse to post lists of players (which is a strategy multiple people have said they would employ were they a CL) or he is the CL himself who wants to use his list to inform people. Ace is a good player and is not above publicly pushing a plan that benefits mafia.
Also, Ace's play day 1 reminded me a lot of his play in Orgah Mafia, just sitting back and shooting down plans while not sticking his neck out too much. In that game I believe he was a survivor. When you think about it, being a survivor is almost identical to being a sleeper agent early in this game; you have no allies and your goal is primarily to survive (this obviously changes once you get a PM from the CL). To be honest, I haven't read any of Ace's games except for that one, so he may just always play this way, but it still makes me suspicious.
I'm also a little suspicious of Jackal58 still (especially given his paranoid reaction to my and Ace's pressure), but I think that may just be standard Jackal.
Zorkmid I'm not that suspicious of, even though he caused Kenpachi (who turned out town) to die over Mr. Wiggles. To say that he did this with an agenda is to say that either Zorkmid is CL or Zorkmid was the person that the CL PM'ed first. I doubt that Zorkmid was PM'ed first, as he appeared on very few of Ace's lists. If he was CL, then it seems way too brazen an attempt at influencing the vote to do without posting in the thread. Plus it was about an hour until the vote ended, so it wasn't like it was a ninja attempt.
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Zorkmid has been replaced by Bumatlarge.
And I wasn't paranoid just honestly amazed that I was called scum.
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I agree with the pressure on Ace. Why?
On April 26 2011 01:16 Rean wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2011 00:43 Ace wrote:
Good job Rean, contribute more please. You're path to the lynch wagon won't take long with shit posts like that.
Post your lists or at least give some damn good reasons why this is useless. How about you give us a reason as to why this is NOT a waste of time? How is knowing what everyone would pick in the hypothetical situation they're GF getting us anywhere close to catching scum?
On April 26 2011 00:29 Rean wrote:
the fuck is this shit.
youre discussing how the gf can crumb in his messages WHEN THATS USELESS TO TOWN.
seriously, we dont give a fuck how they crumb because we wont find out about it anyway if mafia is even half-decent.
and now you're even making cutesy lists on who you would message if you were the GF? STOP BEING USELESS. seriously, you people are randomly discussing things that don't get us anywhere.
fos list so far:
ace/tnkted/more idiots filling the thread with bullshit lists
Virtually all of our only dead player's posts were anti-breadcrumbing posts, and all refered to ace. They were pretty vehemenant too. I think CL sent rean a message saying that "if you're scum, argue against breadcrumbs" or something similar. Perhaps rean was confirming himself to Ace?
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The simple fact that Ace didn't die is suspicious enough.
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 27 2011 08:47 Jackal58 wrote:
Long drive home. Traffic sucked. Actually traffic lights sucked. The first 20 miles they were all out. Fuck me. Anyways I was pondering what I may have said or done to appear scummy to Why and Ace. I honestly can't think of a reason. I have been honest and straight up with my posts. I asked questions about sandroba and why he would make a post that alluded to information he wouldn't share. Why thought that was scummy. sandroba answered it and others beat me about the head and shoulders about it. I'm not always the most astute person in the world. I moved on. I did what I felt was an honest analysis of tnkted. I was hoping tnk would respond so we could move on. Tnkted is playing in a game I am cohosting on another forum He has not been there all day so I am going to assume he just has life going on today. Ace just says I'm scummy with no real reasons. He says tnkted is just playing poorly. and I'm scum because I analyzed him. I say bull shit to both their votes.
So my traffic addled brain came up with two reasons.
The first one is scum cannot build a bus today because they don't know each other. Except for one. This scenario would put why in the scum camp with Ace as the CL. It's the only bus scum can do. Why has disappeared. Ace has voted me because I'm scummy.
The second scenario is this. I was talking to Coagulation before the game started about the people playing. Asking him for his opinion of those that I hadn't played with or played very little with. Most are names I don't know. Coag didn't know them either. But his assessment of Ace was much praise on his ability to play scum. He said he's one of the best. But that was followed by "But his town play absolutely sucks".
So now I am torn between two options. I honestly don't know which scenario makes more sense to me. I really do hate day 1.
I put some light pressure on you. Ace tells me my reason for pressure was completely stupid here:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 26 2011 05:42 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2011 05:27 why wrote:
At this point sandroba has already laid out why he wouldn't want to say anything. You FoS him for it. This is anti-town, since you are FoSing someone for hiding something that only a scum would want/need to know about. You are the one prolonging discussion about something that shouldn't require further discussion.
That's not anti-town. Whether or not sandroba is correct in sharing his information and whether anyone believes what he is hiding is beneficial to the town, Jackal laying a FoS on him for that isn't anti-town. anti-town is doing something that hampers the goal of killing scum. This isn't such an incident and it is a relevant discussion. Add it up to your suspicion points and keep letting him dig a hole for himself if you think he's so anti-town.
then like 12 hours later accuses you for completely different reasons. You come to the conclusion that either Ace sucks at town play or Ace and I are in a scum bandwagon together. Sounds paranoid to me. I'd still rather put pressure on Ace though.
Speaking of which: ##Vote: Ace
Jackal, who are your top suspects at the moment? There are now enough posts to at least have some suspicions...
On April 29 2011 00:45 GGQ wrote:
The simple fact that Ace didn't die is suspicious enough.
...do you actually think his behavior is scummy? The fact that Ace didn't die probably means that a lot of the sleeper agents think that Ace is scum, not necessarily that Ace actually is scum.
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On April 29 2011 00:45 GGQ wrote:
The simple fact that Ace didn't die is suspicious enough.
Actually, as much as I think Ace is definitely a candidate for a lynch, this is a very bad reason for it. Out of the obvious top 4 players that the mafia would want to eliminate, 1 of them is gone. This does not automatically mean that the other 3 are suspicious.....
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Why is right here. I still have no idea the usefulness to town with the lists. Though, when do messages get sent? Rean was modkilled at the first lynch, which I thought hapens before any messages. Either Ace or Jackal is standing out for me, hopefully I can churn out something nasty on them.
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On April 29 2011 01:34 why wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 27 2011 08:47 Jackal58 wrote:
Long drive home. Traffic sucked. Actually traffic lights sucked. The first 20 miles they were all out. Fuck me. Anyways I was pondering what I may have said or done to appear scummy to Why and Ace. I honestly can't think of a reason. I have been honest and straight up with my posts. I asked questions about sandroba and why he would make a post that alluded to information he wouldn't share. Why thought that was scummy. sandroba answered it and others beat me about the head and shoulders about it. I'm not always the most astute person in the world. I moved on. I did what I felt was an honest analysis of tnkted. I was hoping tnk would respond so we could move on. Tnkted is playing in a game I am cohosting on another forum He has not been there all day so I am going to assume he just has life going on today. Ace just says I'm scummy with no real reasons. He says tnkted is just playing poorly. and I'm scum because I analyzed him. I say bull shit to both their votes.
So my traffic addled brain came up with two reasons.
The first one is scum cannot build a bus today because they don't know each other. Except for one. This scenario would put why in the scum camp with Ace as the CL. It's the only bus scum can do. Why has disappeared. Ace has voted me because I'm scummy.
The second scenario is this. I was talking to Coagulation before the game started about the people playing. Asking him for his opinion of those that I hadn't played with or played very little with. Most are names I don't know. Coag didn't know them either. But his assessment of Ace was much praise on his ability to play scum. He said he's one of the best. But that was followed by "But his town play absolutely sucks".
So now I am torn between two options. I honestly don't know which scenario makes more sense to me. I really do hate day 1.
I put some light pressure on you. Ace tells me my reason for pressure was completely stupid here: + Show Spoiler +On April 26 2011 05:42 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2011 05:27 why wrote:
At this point sandroba has already laid out why he wouldn't want to say anything. You FoS him for it. This is anti-town, since you are FoSing someone for hiding something that only a scum would want/need to know about. You are the one prolonging discussion about something that shouldn't require further discussion.
That's not anti-town. Whether or not sandroba is correct in sharing his information and whether anyone believes what he is hiding is beneficial to the town, Jackal laying a FoS on him for that isn't anti-town. anti-town is doing something that hampers the goal of killing scum. This isn't such an incident and it is a relevant discussion. Add it up to your suspicion points and keep letting him dig a hole for himself if you think he's so anti-town. then like 12 hours later accuses you for completely different reasons. You come to the conclusion that either Ace sucks at town play or Ace and I are in a scum bandwagon together. Sounds paranoid to me. I'd still rather put pressure on Ace though. Speaking of which: ##Vote: AceJackal, who are your top suspects at the moment? There are now enough posts to at least have some suspicions... Show nested quote +On April 29 2011 00:45 GGQ wrote:
The simple fact that Ace didn't die is suspicious enough. ...do you actually think his behavior is scummy? The fact that Ace didn't die probably means that a lot of the sleeper agents think that Ace is scum, not necessarily that Ace actually is scum.
No, I don't find his behavior particularly scummy. His plan forced action out of a lot of players that would have posted much less, and he already explained how it was helpful to town. It wasn't as earth-shaking as we might have liked, but it was a good plan that promoted activity and left us with some useful information. I read over his posts again, and they don't stand out as scum posts to me.
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+ Show Spoiler [why's posts] +On April 28 2011 23:34 why wrote:
Sorry for not posting more, I've unexpectedly had to work multiple 14 hour days and haven't had time to do anything but sleep and work. I've asked for a replacement, but until that comes through I'm going to do my best to help out.
I think Ace should be the number one lynch candidate today. Here are my reasons:
Ace's plan resulted in very little information for town. It supposedly generated a DT check list by seeing who would be the most likely to be messaged if they were a sleeper. However, this obviously has very little relation to who is actually a sleeper. I think it was a lot of hoopla for not a lot of payoff, which makes me think that Ace had an alternative plan. My guess is that he is either a sleeper agent that is trying to help the CL by providing an excuse to post lists of players (which is a strategy multiple people have said they would employ were they a CL) or he is the CL himself who wants to use his list to inform people. Ace is a good player and is not above publicly pushing a plan that benefits mafia.
Also, Ace's play day 1 reminded me a lot of his play in Orgah Mafia, just sitting back and shooting down plans while not sticking his neck out too much. In that game I believe he was a survivor. When you think about it, being a survivor is almost identical to being a sleeper agent early in this game; you have no allies and your goal is primarily to survive (this obviously changes once you get a PM from the CL). To be honest, I haven't read any of Ace's games except for that one, so he may just always play this way, but it still makes me suspicious.
I'm also a little suspicious of Jackal58 still (especially given his paranoid reaction to my and Ace's pressure), but I think that may just be standard Jackal.
Zorkmid I'm not that suspicious of, even though he caused Kenpachi (who turned out town) to die over Mr. Wiggles. To say that he did this with an agenda is to say that either Zorkmid is CL or Zorkmid was the person that the CL PM'ed first. I doubt that Zorkmid was PM'ed first, as he appeared on very few of Ace's lists. If he was CL, then it seems way too brazen an attempt at influencing the vote to do without posting in the thread. Plus it was about an hour until the vote ended, so it wasn't like it was a ninja attempt.
First of all in Orgah Mafia I barely posted because I really had no idea what the hell was going on half the time. Secondly I shoot down ridiculous suggestions a lot. Maybe you should read more of my games to know this. My role PM from Orgah wasn't actually a survivor role: it was a Neutral role that could kidnap players.
Even if that was true your analysis is still wrong. You said I sat back and shot down plans in Orgah Mafia - I've been one of the most active players so far this game and I've proposed a plan. So you're evidence here is already faulty.
As for the bolded if you read my explanation twice already I've addressed this. I'm not going to quote those posts again because I honestly believe you aren't reading the game. The day started with GM's death and instead of even trying to figure something out based on that you jump immediately to me - interesting. Let's continue with the Zorkmid issue.
In fact lets keep it short. This same post has you defending Zorkmid's vote (who is replaced by bumatlarge) while accusing me with made up proof.
And you and bumatlarge both voted for me in no time. Your reasoning is a problem with my plan and some made up issues from another game. Bum's reasoning?
On April 29 2011 01:53 bumatlarge wrote:
Why is right here. I still have no idea the usefulness to town with the lists. Though, when do messages get sent? Rean was modkilled at the first lynch, which I thought hapens before any messages. Either Ace or Jackal is standing out for me, hopefully I can churn out something nasty on them.
So because you don't understand it, I'm scum? :/
And what in the world does Rean being modkilled have to do with me?
On April 29 2011 01:34 why wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 27 2011 08:47 Jackal58 wrote:
Long drive home. Traffic sucked. Actually traffic lights sucked. The first 20 miles they were all out. Fuck me. Anyways I was pondering what I may have said or done to appear scummy to Why and Ace. I honestly can't think of a reason. I have been honest and straight up with my posts. I asked questions about sandroba and why he would make a post that alluded to information he wouldn't share. Why thought that was scummy. sandroba answered it and others beat me about the head and shoulders about it. I'm not always the most astute person in the world. I moved on. I did what I felt was an honest analysis of tnkted. I was hoping tnk would respond so we could move on. Tnkted is playing in a game I am cohosting on another forum He has not been there all day so I am going to assume he just has life going on today. Ace just says I'm scummy with no real reasons. He says tnkted is just playing poorly. and I'm scum because I analyzed him. I say bull shit to both their votes.
So my traffic addled brain came up with two reasons.
The first one is scum cannot build a bus today because they don't know each other. Except for one. This scenario would put why in the scum camp with Ace as the CL. It's the only bus scum can do. Why has disappeared. Ace has voted me because I'm scummy.
The second scenario is this. I was talking to Coagulation before the game started about the people playing. Asking him for his opinion of those that I hadn't played with or played very little with. Most are names I don't know. Coag didn't know them either. But his assessment of Ace was much praise on his ability to play scum. He said he's one of the best. But that was followed by "But his town play absolutely sucks".
So now I am torn between two options. I honestly don't know which scenario makes more sense to me. I really do hate day 1.
I put some light pressure on you. Ace tells me my reason for pressure was completely stupid here: + Show Spoiler +On April 26 2011 05:42 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2011 05:27 why wrote:
At this point sandroba has already laid out why he wouldn't want to say anything. You FoS him for it. This is anti-town, since you are FoSing someone for hiding something that only a scum would want/need to know about. You are the one prolonging discussion about something that shouldn't require further discussion.
That's not anti-town. Whether or not sandroba is correct in sharing his information and whether anyone believes what he is hiding is beneficial to the town, Jackal laying a FoS on him for that isn't anti-town. anti-town is doing something that hampers the goal of killing scum. This isn't such an incident and it is a relevant discussion. Add it up to your suspicion points and keep letting him dig a hole for himself if you think he's so anti-town. then like 12 hours later accuses you for completely different reasons. You come to the conclusion that either Ace sucks at town play or Ace and I are in a scum bandwagon together. Sounds paranoid to me. I'd still rather put pressure on Ace though. Speaking of which: ##Vote: Ace
Another false post here. You didn't put any pressure on anyone. You posted some nonsense on why he was anti-town and I said that it wasn't. You accused him of being anti-town for placing a FoS on another player. I said it isn't. Now you're just being silly.
On April 29 2011 00:23 tnkted wrote:I agree with the pressure on Ace. Why? Show nested quote +On April 26 2011 01:16 Rean wrote:On April 26 2011 00:43 Ace wrote:
Good job Rean, contribute more please. You're path to the lynch wagon won't take long with shit posts like that.
Post your lists or at least give some damn good reasons why this is useless. How about you give us a reason as to why this is NOT a waste of time? How is knowing what everyone would pick in the hypothetical situation they're GF getting us anywhere close to catching scum? Show nested quote +On April 26 2011 00:29 Rean wrote:
the fuck is this shit.
youre discussing how the gf can crumb in his messages WHEN THATS USELESS TO TOWN.
seriously, we dont give a fuck how they crumb because we wont find out about it anyway if mafia is even half-decent.
and now you're even making cutesy lists on who you would message if you were the GF? STOP BEING USELESS. seriously, you people are randomly discussing things that don't get us anywhere.
fos list so far:
ace/tnkted/more idiots filling the thread with bullshit lists
Virtually all of our only dead player's posts were anti-breadcrumbing posts, and all refered to ace. They were pretty vehemenant too. I think CL sent rean a message saying that "if you're scum, argue against breadcrumbs" or something similar. Perhaps rean was confirming himself to Ace?
Explain. Those 2 posts by Rean refer to me because I was the one calling him out. Other than that I don't see how the bolded statement is true.
As of now I'm voting for bumatlarge because of the Zorkmid vote yesterday and his fast hop on to my wagon with bad reasoning. why is using shoddy evidence but bum should be smarter than that.
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Please quote an explanation of the list thing because my read-through provided me with nothing. With a valid reason to it, I have no reason to vote you.
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 29 2011 01:34 why wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 27 2011 08:47 Jackal58 wrote:
Long drive home. Traffic sucked. Actually traffic lights sucked. The first 20 miles they were all out. Fuck me. Anyways I was pondering what I may have said or done to appear scummy to Why and Ace. I honestly can't think of a reason. I have been honest and straight up with my posts. I asked questions about sandroba and why he would make a post that alluded to information he wouldn't share. Why thought that was scummy. sandroba answered it and others beat me about the head and shoulders about it. I'm not always the most astute person in the world. I moved on. I did what I felt was an honest analysis of tnkted. I was hoping tnk would respond so we could move on. Tnkted is playing in a game I am cohosting on another forum He has not been there all day so I am going to assume he just has life going on today. Ace just says I'm scummy with no real reasons. He says tnkted is just playing poorly. and I'm scum because I analyzed him. I say bull shit to both their votes.
So my traffic addled brain came up with two reasons.
The first one is scum cannot build a bus today because they don't know each other. Except for one. This scenario would put why in the scum camp with Ace as the CL. It's the only bus scum can do. Why has disappeared. Ace has voted me because I'm scummy.
The second scenario is this. I was talking to Coagulation before the game started about the people playing. Asking him for his opinion of those that I hadn't played with or played very little with. Most are names I don't know. Coag didn't know them either. But his assessment of Ace was much praise on his ability to play scum. He said he's one of the best. But that was followed by "But his town play absolutely sucks".
So now I am torn between two options. I honestly don't know which scenario makes more sense to me. I really do hate day 1.
I put some light pressure on you. Ace tells me my reason for pressure was completely stupid here: + Show Spoiler +On April 26 2011 05:42 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2011 05:27 why wrote:
At this point sandroba has already laid out why he wouldn't want to say anything. You FoS him for it. This is anti-town, since you are FoSing someone for hiding something that only a scum would want/need to know about. You are the one prolonging discussion about something that shouldn't require further discussion.
That's not anti-town. Whether or not sandroba is correct in sharing his information and whether anyone believes what he is hiding is beneficial to the town, Jackal laying a FoS on him for that isn't anti-town. anti-town is doing something that hampers the goal of killing scum. This isn't such an incident and it is a relevant discussion. Add it up to your suspicion points and keep letting him dig a hole for himself if you think he's so anti-town. then like 12 hours later accuses you for completely different reasons. You come to the conclusion that either Ace sucks at town play or Ace and I are in a scum bandwagon together. Sounds paranoid to me. I'd still rather put pressure on Ace though. Speaking of which: ##Vote: AceJackal, who are your top suspects at the moment? There are now enough posts to at least have some suspicions... Show nested quote +On April 29 2011 00:45 GGQ wrote:
The simple fact that Ace didn't die is suspicious enough. ...do you actually think his behavior is scummy? The fact that Ace didn't die probably means that a lot of the sleeper agents think that Ace is scum, not necessarily that Ace actually is scum.
I still don't know why I'm scummy looking to either of you. That's the only conclusion I could come to.
I still think that scum are the ones posting the least in this game. GGQ,tnkted, Rean prior to being mod killed. And yourself.
You say Ace may not have gotten killed because scum thinks he's scum. But if 5 scum think he's scum wouldn't a boat load of townies have been voting for him yesterday? I still say that as scum become more aware of who is on their team they will start to become more vocal. Kinda like you are.
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Ok, some thoughts:
Firstly, GM decided not to shoot last night. This is a little surprising to me given his vigilante list, that he didn't decide to shoot a lurker off it himself. I guess he figured that he would live long enough to pick a better target and just wanted to apply pressure with it. That said, I'd look at people on his vig list a little bit more, so: Eii, GGQ, why, Vain, darm. These are the people who would have felt threatened by GM because he wanted them dead. The DT list is also somewhere you could look, but to a lesser extent, because saying you want someone to die is more pressure than saying you want someone to get checked, one of those situations isn't salvageable.
I'm little surprised that Ace is still alive too, but I don't think that is a good reason to call him scum.
All game long, people have been touting him as some kind of mafia forum hero, so it would make sense that scum would want to kill him right away, right? Not necessarily.
If we look at the vote last night, there was a lot of fragmentation, so one can assume that the cell kill vote would look similar, with a lot of division. Because of this, I don't think it would take much more than something like three or so cell members feeling threatened by GM and voting for him for him to become their kill. GM was doing "analysis", pushing plans, being active, and in general trying to get information out there. He acted pro-town, and now he's dead. Ace on the other hand, didn't do much Day 1 besides his list thing, and so probably didn't seem as much of an imminent threat to the cell. So, I don't think it's that scum thinks he's scum, just that GM was posing a more realistic threat at the end of Day 1.
I don't know if anyone remembered this or not:
On April 28 2011 07:39 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Also, my activity tomorrow should probably increase as I just finished my last three exams over the last couple days and don't need to study anymore.
Just a thought too, as the game progresses, scum are going to become a lot more coherent. They still won't have the ability to PM each other or communicate during the day though, but they will know who each other are, and who the Cell Leader is.
What I think this means, is that starting Day 2, we need to be on the lookout for people pushing plans early and other people supporting it early. Scum can't communicate throughout the day, so the Cell leader will probably plan something in a PM during the morning, or else one scum member will push for a plan early on and hope to get the others to support him. Scum need to make their move earlier than later, and will be the most organized right as the day is beginning. As new developments pop up, scum won't be able to deal with them as a team, and will act a lot more fragmented. As such, the more town can pull together and blindside scum better, as they won't be able to actively deal with it as a team.
So look for scummy people jumping to support plans early on, and look for things that look like odd amounts of organization. Also, when new game-changing information pops up, look for people who start to act differently than they were, or who don't seem to react to it and stay stuck in what they were doing before. I think this can show us scum who are freaking out because there's no communication with their team, or scum who don't know what to do because they have no one to direct them.
why wasn't around much on Day 1, and he didn't give any sort of explanation for it until recently. Now on day 2, he shows up, and right away pushes a lynch for Ace before any other discussion has even commenced. This seems reminiscent of the bolded parts from my post. Also, why dropping Jackal completely in favor of Ace seems a little odd to me. Then add on to this that he was on GM's vig list and is giving bad reasons for scum kill choice:
##FOS: why
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On April 29 2011 05:53 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Ok, some thoughts:
Firstly, GM decided not to shoot last night. This is a little surprising to me given his vigilante list, that he didn't decide to shoot a lurker off it himself. I guess he figured that he would live long enough to pick a better target and just wanted to apply pressure with it. That said, I'd look at people on his vig list a little bit more, so: Eii, GGQ, why, Vain, darm. These are the people who would have felt threatened by GM because he wanted them dead. The DT list is also somewhere you could look, but to a lesser extent, because saying you want someone to die is more pressure than saying you want someone to get checked, one of those situations isn't salvageable.
On the vig issue. GM may have decided to not shoot after I reminded him of scums win condition.
Town has to be out of players with guns. So GMs loss is really quite significant to us.
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On April 29 2011 06:23 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2011 05:53 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Ok, some thoughts:
Firstly, GM decided not to shoot last night. This is a little surprising to me given his vigilante list, that he didn't decide to shoot a lurker off it himself. I guess he figured that he would live long enough to pick a better target and just wanted to apply pressure with it. That said, I'd look at people on his vig list a little bit more, so: Eii, GGQ, why, Vain, darm. These are the people who would have felt threatened by GM because he wanted them dead. The DT list is also somewhere you could look, but to a lesser extent, because saying you want someone to die is more pressure than saying you want someone to get checked, one of those situations isn't salvageable. On the vig issue. GM may have decided to not shoot after I reminded him of scums win condition. Town has to be out of players with guns. So GMs loss is really quite significant to us.
I guess. It's only relevant though if we get in a situation where it's something like 3 town, 3 scum. Other than that, the no gun rules doesn't really have much impact on the game, because if scum outnumbers town, it's going to be pretty much impossible to win anyways.
That also doesn't make sense for why he didn't shoot though. If he thought that one of the players in his vig list were an Intelligence Agent, why would he have put them in there anyways, in case a third agent shot into them? My only explanation is that he thought that he could save his shot, and use it at a different time when the chance of his target being scum was higher. I made a mistake reading the OP when I made that post, because I didn't realize that vigs only get to shoot once. Trying to save his shot in case we get into a situation where town is outnumbered by scum instead of shooting who he thinks is scum isn't a great plan though, it seems to unlikely for it to happen and for town to scrape a win after that. Better to just shoot when you think you have a good target.
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