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For the mayor situation, it just seems so difficult to actually pick a good mayor at the beginning of the game. Everyone who's running seems like they have an equally valid reason for why people should vote for them. Hell, I probably would have run if I weren't temp banned. My instincts tell me to vote for the flashy guy. Marshal seems like he would be a guy with a fancy looking suit based on the pretty pictures presented in his campaign post. | ||
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On April 11 2011 04:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote: great idea did your mafia friends tell you to suggest it? I'm thinking about voting for you for Mayor actually. But only if you will take me out. You can run on the kill airbladeorange platform. | ||
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On April 11 2011 05:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote: tnkted is assassin probably kavdragon/mib are mafia gmarshal is probably town imo What are your reasonings? I feel like its impossible to think we know much of anything at this point. How can you even say we "know you're not mafia?" I may be the village idiot, but I acknowledge the fact that we don't really know anything. At least as a collective group. Both Kavdragon and Gmarshal had decent posts for mayor, but you just never know. Unless you know thing that I or others do not. | ||
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On April 11 2011 05:11 redFF wrote: So if DrH gets hit night one we have a pretty good mafia list. Even if Dr. H got hit, it doesn't mean that everyone on that list is mafia. It doesn't even mean that ANYONE there is mafia. They could hit him to make it seem like the other guys on his suspicious list are mafia when they could just be town. | ||
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On April 11 2011 05:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: pandain is a special kind of idiot well at least we can be a duo of reason trying to push the town onto scumhunting doctorhelvetica/coagulation '11?? Maybe it's just because I don't know Dr. H's style of play, but it just strikes me as being suspicious. But regardless he hasn't actually done anything yet to give us a reason to take action against him. But I do agree with him and Coag that we need to not worry about assassins for now. Definitely keep it in mind, but if we focus too much on them it will certainly give us less of a chance getting the mafia. | ||
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On April 11 2011 06:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i hope your realization is that i am scum Stay tuned for the dramatic announcement! I thought his posts before the game started were decent, but not I'm not so sure. I guess we can decide after the big announcement is made. I hope it's juicy. | ||
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On April 11 2011 06:32 redFF wrote: We need people who are obviously not going to be elected to either do a large post to cement their bid for mayor with solid reasoning or to withdraw their bids. It seems like the only people have have a chance at winning all fit this description. Do you care to call anyone out or elaborate your thoughts? | ||
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On April 11 2011 06:38 redFF wrote: List of inactives Metalface-no posts since sign up Ream- no posts since game started Lattrommi-is he even playing??? was signed up by someone else and hasn't posted TranceStorm- lurking hardcore lemonwalrus- hasnt posted since day 1 began milkyst- no posts since sign up The_Roist- just posted above me for the first time XD Jaminz- no post since sign up DarthThienAn- no posts since day 1 M0nsterChef- hasn't posted since day 1, has 14 posts so could just not play. Serejai- no posts since sign up Thin we have found a newbie mafia? I'd say it's highly unlikely the mafia is mostly inactive people. Lurking or being inactive doesn't really indicate you are town, mafia, or an assassin. It just either means you are not paying much attention to the game or you don't really know what to do. It's always worth keeping track of who is lurking but I don't really see a lurker as a threat we can say should be lynched soon. I'm more concerned about active people are are trying to deceive the town. I'm moderately suspicious of Dr. H. still just because of how he came right out the the gate a little bit crazy. Kavdragon, as I mentioned earlier, started out seeming like town but seems to get more and more suspicious as the game goes on. Now he is just throwing around accusations that I don't fully understand. | ||
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On April 11 2011 07:12 redFF wrote: Inactive list Metalface-no posts since sign up Ream- no posts since game started Lattrommi-is he even playing??? was signed up by someone else and hasn't posted lemonwalrus- hasnt posted since day 1 began milkyst- no posts since sign up The_Roist- lurking Jaminz- no post since sign up DarthThienAn- no posts since day 1 M0nsterChef- hasn't posted since day 1, votes for gmarshall without posting. Serejai- no posts since sign up If we did go for a lurker, maybe we could do in M0nsterChef. It's really suspicious to vote relatively early without posing. If he showed up red, it could mean Marshal is red. | ||
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Later, I think it was I, who first mentioned that he might be red. The bandwagoning can be suspicious but really I don't put much stock into it. The last game of mafia I played the town bandwagons a lot especially in the early game. I don't really suspect Marshal, but of course it's possible. M0nsterChef is either red or is just bad at the game. That's what I'm thinking. But I think there might be a correlation between him blindly voting for Marshal and possibly people bandwagoning. Even though bandwagoning doesn't mean much at this point, reds are very likely to bandwagon right now. If any red is bandwagoning it is probably a lurker like M0nsterChef. I say take him out unless there are any new developments that are meaningful. If he turns up red then we take down Marshal and check into the other bandwagoners. I'm beginning to think Dr. is less scummy as this goes on and I really don't know what to make of Kav. He has good and helpful posts, to newer players like myself. Is being overly helpful suspicious? I guess. But I'm suspicious of everyone and everyone should be suspicious of everyone else as well. The key is to just not make rash decisions. Dr. H. and Kav both have support for them saying that they are good players and this might be a good reason not to lynch either of them just yet. I hope that wasn't too much rambling and I got my ideas out relatively clear. Ask any questions if you find flaws in my reasoning. | ||
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On April 11 2011 09:45 Serejai wrote: Hi guys, my name is Serejai. I don't really know how to play this game but I think I'm supposed to post about my experience making towns or something? So here goes. When I was a kid I used to play Sim City quite a lot. I was only like seven or eight so I made some mistakes, but overall I did really well managing my cities (until I summoned aliens or godzilla to destroy them lol). Sometimes I think I let pollution get a tad out of hand, but it was pretty hard to balance industrial demand and pollution together so I just stuck the industrial areas in a corner surrounded by a ton of trees. When I got a few years older, this game called Sim Town came out where you actually manage your own town and individual houses and shops. I was really good at this game in my opinion. It was a bit easier than Sim City because it was meant for younger kids, but I don't feel that detracts from my qualifications any. I'm also really good with legos and I have a lego train and a bunch of lego city buildings. I dunno which sets exactly, but I built a lego town on my coffee table and I think I did pretty well (until my cat walks over it haha). So I think I'm pretty good at town games and stuff. Um, I'm also supposed to vote for someone I think? So... ##Vote GMarshal I think he has the most votes so he's probably a veteran or something I guess (I don't really understand what I'm voting for but the thread says I have to...). The other guy with a lot of votes... Prostatetractor or whatever said he's an assassin... I don't think that's a good thing to vote for is it? If it is I may change my vote (if I can do that) but it sounds like he's just going to kill people or something. Also I'm sorry for the late post, I'm not inactive so please don't ban me or anything. I've just had a busy day... had to plant flowers outside and cut some tree limbs. I think we should do whatever he says. Best post in mafia history. Love it. | ||
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And for the record I don't believe you to be scum anymore. I think you're just upfront and bitter. Fine by me as long as you are as good as people think you are at this game. | ||
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On April 11 2011 12:14 M0nsterChef wrote: This is the third time you have insisted on lynching me, yet provide no other reason other than that I voted for Gmarshal without explaining why. If you read a couple pages back you'll see why I voted for him in one of my posts. Some people, including myself get suspicious when people vote but don't provide any reason or analysis or just what's on their mind. It's understandable, is it not? It gives the impression that you're hiding something. If you don't want people to have this impression than just try to contribute more. Until you do that there is a good chance people will see you as mafia. | ||
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On April 11 2011 14:28 Coagulation wrote: here I shortened your platform up for you. Reds get desperate when they feel backed into a corner. | ||
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On April 11 2011 20:21 redFF wrote: Finally, people listening to reason. DrH, Protact or kita, i dont care who it is, should be mayor. A day one lynch of OriginalName is a good idea. If he flips red, that means that Gmarshal is likely red, as are the other people who voted for him with little reasoning and leapt to each others defence when i called them out on it. M0nsterChef and AirbladeOrange. If original name flips red then we can also probably pin MiG because ON did a contentless analysis where he named him town. Town has to band together and vote for one of those 3. I have only defended myself thus far. If anyone thinks I defended anyone else in a strong fashion they are mistaken. I want it to be clear that my top two suspicious people right now, as was yesterday as well, are M0nsterChef and OriginalName. I do, however, agree with redFF that if ON is red, we need to worry about Marshal. I think the case is the same with M0nsterChef just because he has barely posted and blindly voted for Marshal. I still believe Marshal to be town, as with Dr. H. There is nothing that I feel I can be certain of at this point so I prefer to play safe and try to find the easier plays first. Getting rid of experienced guys like Dr. H (who is under less and less pressure now), Marshal (suffering from an extreme backlash because he got too many votes), and Kav (who I don't really know what to make of but would not be good to lynch first). Marshal's situation is suspicious but not condemnable. I feel we should try to take out people who may be his pawns - OriginalName, N0nsterChef I say as things stand right now go for one of these two and keep an eye on Marshal. I'm still good with electing him mayor as long as we don't forget the suspicions we experienced with the voting. And coagulation - I have no idea what to make of this guy. I think he's just crazy. | ||
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On April 12 2011 03:22 chaoser wrote: Hmmm, that's a good point...pardoner is just a prince of darkness...good catch GM. That means red in any type of elected position is powerful. Which means there's DEFINITELY a red run campaign out there. Do reds generally run multiple people for mayor/pardoner, or just throw all their support to one of them? | ||
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On April 12 2011 05:07 GGQ wrote: This is bullshit, I'm not comfortable with a single mayor candidate. Now I wish I ran myself, but I didn't think I would have the 'street cred' around here to get elected. I'm obviously not going to run now, that would just split votes even further. At this point I'm going to say that we need to get votes off of GMarshal and onto DocH and Protact. I've supported making Protact the Pardoner since his first announcement, so that should be no surprise to anyone. As for DocH, well... it makes me nervous that he said pre-game that he wouldnt run unless he's mafia... if he turns out to be mafia I'll feel really really stupid. But I think he just realised the same thing as me; none of the other candidates were very good, so he decided to run. GMarshal, I'm sorry if you turn out to be town, but your posts in this game have just been bad, bad, bad. I don't want you as mayor or pardoner. tnkted, I just don't think you're competent enough, sorry. kitaman running specifically for pardoner is weird and sketchy. Don't like it. And those are our only options. -_- I don't recall hear much from you and would be interested in more of your analysis, reasonings, and examples. The more I think about it especially with this post, I believe there is a decent chance mafia is running multiple people. There is a big power struggle for mayor. I'm not really convinced any one the candidates are mafia, but maybe two of the major ones are mafia and are arguing with each other to further confuse us. Marshal and Dr. H both being mafia? I don't know how plausible that is but it could really throw us for a loop and is something we should keep in mind. I know I don't have sound examples for this but all the major candidates seem to be good players and it could easily throw newer players like myself off. I just wanted to let everyone know I'm trying to think about this and this is what's on my mind. | ||
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Also, Marshal where is this coming from? Why are you hating on me now? Make up your mind whether your going to have my lynched or not because if you are I don't want to vote for you anymore. How can I possibly be more redish than OrigionalName or M0nsterChef? | ||
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On April 12 2011 13:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm purple on airbladeorange. I wish we could PM each other but could you post a full case for him please? He's one of the few players I haven't analysed fully and if your case is good I'd consider lynching him over Bdar. I've been trying to publicly state my thoughts to everyone and keep everyone informed on my positions. Marshal, among others, has failed to answer my previous post where I ask what seems more scummy about myself compared to my top two picks of OriginalName and M0nsterChef. I really want to know if I should change my vote because time is almost up. | ||
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On April 12 2011 14:05 chaoser wrote: All of a fucking sudden people come out of the woodworks "just as time ends". Actually it worked out for me because I would definitely switch my vote to Dr. H if I knew Marshal was going to kill me. And yes I actually did not read it until voting ended. | ||
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On April 10 2011 04:03 M0nsterChef wrote: I'm also in favour of a strong analyst over a strong leader, simply because it should help achieve the final goal of hunting mafia. Keeping the town focused, and applying pressure to scum can all be done by careful and well thought out analysis. This is in response to being called out for blindly voting for GMarshal. He provides us with this extensive post of bold reasoning. A strong analysis over a strong leader? What does that even mean? Dr. H and GMarshal both appeared to be good analyzers as well as leaders. The rest of the post is just pointless blabble about the goal of the game and keeping the town united. Obvious fluffy stuff. On April 11 2011 07:32 M0nsterChef wrote: I read the thread and made a vote based on who I think I deserves the role the most. Am I not allowed to vote? And here is his second reply when GMarshal wanted a better explanation of his vote. On April 11 2011 08:20 M0nsterChef wrote: Alright, so I made a really noob mistake of not posting a bunch before I make a vote. It's my first game here, and while I know that shouldn't be an excuse, it's the only one I can come up with. Anyways, as for questions What are your thoughts on the current situation? Just reading the past pages of posts has made me realize I need to be more careful with what I post, and I should post more often. Why do you like GMarshal the best for mayor? -Seems to be more analyst oriented -Is willing to consider the lynch of kavdragon -Seems to be "Pro-town" -Protactium seems to care too much about the assassin game. -Pandain is trying to get Protactium to be mayor by making people support him through his dt reveal, I don't think this is smart. Why don't you like the other candidates? -Now that I voted for GMarshal , AirbladeOrange, RedFF say I should be lynched. -Protactium has said he is not town. Here is an apology and admitting to making a mistake. I think he is being real when he says he knows he made a mistake but again, the rest of his post is just throwing out relatively useless questions which many people have already been addressing. On April 11 2011 12:14 M0nsterChef wrote: This is the third time you have insisted on lynching me, yet provide no other reason other than that I voted for Gmarshal without explaining why. If you read a couple pages back you'll see why I voted for him in one of my posts. Here is the next useless post. He claims he explained why he voted for GMarshal, which I guess he did. I'm just not sure you can even call it an explanation. On April 12 2011 08:05 M0nsterChef wrote: And by catching scum do you mean making multiple posts asking about lynching me and ON? I don't know if this really points to anything but it should be noted that he is quite defensive. On April 12 2011 13:51 M0nsterChef wrote: Why do people think I'm still scum? Is there anything other than my poor decision at the beginning at the game that suggests that I am? I think a lot of unnecessary pressure has been put on me because of that stupid beginner mistake. I take this as playing the noob card to the extreme. "Come on guys, stop picking on me." The rest of his posts were even more pointless than the ones I quotes. One of them being saying "dang" after Kav was found out to be green. Another was just a comment about the spamming in the tread. He only has 10 posts thus far in the game and has contributed even less than me. At least I'm trying and open to answering questions. All of his responses were the opposite of compelling. The reason I wanted to bring him up was the I was suspicious of him ever since the blind GMarshal vote. As the game goes on GM is looking more and more red. GM is even accusing me without any real analysis and has yet to ask me questions directly, which I am more than happy to address. But I guess my beef with GM will be left for another post later. I am always leery of people who look like scum from the very beginning and fail to ever help their own public image. With all that said I want everyone to be clear who are on my scummy list: M0nsterChef GMarshal OriginalName | ||
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At first I didn't know what to make of Coag because he seemed all over the place. Now, after Protac's analysis I certainly agree he is very suspicious. But I'm just not convinced he is more dangerous than any of the other suspicious people. They all seem on the same level to me. | ||
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On April 14 2011 01:58 redFF wrote: We should lynch m0nsterChef. Let me tell you why. If you remember, his first contribution after the game started was to vote for GM in the voting thread. Voting without contribution was enough to warrant suspicion, but considering some of the other votes for GM: and Made him doubly suspicious to me without even posting. Now here is his reason for the vote Consider how DrH made lynching kav a huge part of his campaign, yet here there is no mention of DrH at all in this post. The rest of this post is pretty barren in content and high on recycling stuff already said, and obvious stuff e.g. Protact is not town, Protact cares about the assassin game etcetc. Now look at his next few posts in the thread. All him defending himself, no analysis like he said he would do in his post justifying voting for GM. No contribution at all. even throws in a little slip as to him and ON being together somehow. He hasn't mentioned ON before that, hasn't interacted with him throughout the whole thread either. Strange that the majority of his posts are him defending himself and he has nothing else to contribute. Well ok then...thanks. indeed. Decent point, I guess at least you acknowledge that you aren't contributing... ##Vote M0nsterChef Why we should not lynch coagulation. Think about it for a second. Why in christs name would a dt claim assassin? If protact was really dt, he could have just run for mayor normally, got voted in, and then said he was dt now he was protected. Im tired of protact claiming black, claiming blue and just serving up a bunch of fucking wifom and derailing the thread. We should concentrate on lynching scum. And the most certain scum lynch seems to be m0nsterChef. Since ON got replaced by LSB and LSB seems like a long time player. I'm guessing he could be valuable to town and we shouldn't lynch him today. If the most important thing to do is to lynch scum, I just can't see coag being scummier than the guys I have been suspicious of long before coag. GMarshal, OriginalName, and most importantly M0nsterChef. I just don't really trust protac that much. His analysis seems quite good but so do his manipulation skills. I feel safer sticking to my guns and going with the people I think have the higher chance of being mafia. Right now that is M0nsterChef. Nobody have actually made a convincing argument why coag, if mafia, is actually more dangerous to keep around for another day than any other scum. Furthermore, I thought I did a decent job of showing all of M0nsterChef's notable posts. I think it's strange Red went through and did the same kind of thing that I did and came to the same conclusion. Big post without really saying much. | ||
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M0nsterChef was the top of my scum list but after him claiming blue I am now inclined to believe he is just a soon-to-be-dead blue. OringinalName was next on my list but he got replaced. So his replacement is now high on my list based only on ON's actions before he was replaced. GMarshal is on here too. He just seems like he is trying too hard. I'm not even feeling like I need to defend myself from his analysis because it just doesn't really mean anything. If others want me to clear anything up just let me know. I just don't want him as my first pick because at least he is active and could help pick up scum if he is town. I don't trust Flamewheel because he has lied before and is an experienced player capable of manipulating situations to suit his personal goals. I think I would be okay with a Coag kill, but I'm not sure he is my first choice based on ON's prior actions that I don't feel like digging up again. I feel like we're not going to forget all the heat on him so it's not like a now or never lynch. | ||
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I'm not going to vote yet as there is plenty of time tomorrow to see if any new developments happen. With M0nsterChef doing a suicidal blue claim, my next target has been ON (or his replacement LSB). I'm going to keep playing this out sticking to my own convictions and see where that gets us. I certainly don't trust Coag any more than the author of his big analysis, Protac. But I still fail to see any reason to lynch him over LSB for reasons that began before day one. Not lynching Coag now does not mean that we can never lynch him again. As long as we don't forget the analysis done on him and why he is suspicous, I'm not too worried about him. I see many people in this game that seem to completely change their stances or take multiple stances in a short amount of time due only to other players' analysis. I might even put GMarshal ahead of Coag on my scum list. But I will deal with that if/when the time comes. There are definitely players I trust more than others but I'm not going to change my stance or my vote just because of another opinion post. There are over a hundred pages of those (mixed in with a good deal of spam). A lot can be learned if people put more of an emphasis on reading rather than posting. Out of 122 pages, there are probably only enough worthwhile posts to fill less than 10 of the pages. It sucks having to wade through all this shit, which is why I choose to trust myself and a closely follow a few solid posters to help get through the unimportant posts to examine the ones that have a higher probability of actually being useful. I think pretty soon GMarshal will come at me again, just like he does every time I post. | ||
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The Gmarshal thing was really weird to me. Is this normal in games? Like someone else said it just leaves a sour taste in my mouth. He wanted me dead but just pardoned me to waste his pardon? Is that what happened? I have been suspicious of coag for a while now but I'm actually starting to not see him as scummy as I think most people do. GM was red and he defended coag a great deal even though he, himself, was under a lot of heat. A good mafia goon would not make it so obvious that another member of his team was red because of the high chance GM would die thus exposing coag as red. I would like others opinions on this one because they seem to know GM's play from previous games. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On April 15 2011 14:54 redFF wrote: So we suspect LSB as scum right? I think enough of a case has been made against him and ON before him. So assuming all goes well and LSB and coag get vigid, I propose we lynch Mig Look who is questioning him. Look who his number one town read is... repeating pro town stuff that had already been said tons of times yo. same again, makes me even more sure. + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2011 07:53 OriginalName wrote: MiG Analysis Postcount 8/863 Total (1 pregame post) Experience Level: Newbie Nothing inherently wrong here: excited states he wants a protown mayor. Still looking protown here, doesnt add anything that his first post doesn't. This first point should be stressed more, who cares if we elect an assassin sure that one is pro town BUT ALL THE REST OF THEM NEED TO KILL POSSIBLY TOWNIE BODYGUARDS TO GET HIM! And there will be crapshoots by the assassins which may hit either alignment but since townies outnumber scum by so much (as is balanced) the chances of them reducing our town count before we lose signifcantly more than we gain by the assassins is a great reason why Protact should not have BGs. Im still not seeing the scuminess here. Adds on how medic protection on Prot would also be another reason to spray and pray and cause more blue sniping for assassins, this leaves reds to kill outspoken townies as well as assassins may handle their blue snipes for them. A wild DrH approaches! MiG ran! Can't Escape! He states his reason for regurgitating information is that he is slow. Im still of the mind that even if he is restating opinions of others at least hes posting SOMETHING. He's sheeping really hard along with town ---> Do note that this is not always a scumtell and while it can be used to base an arguement off of it really doesn't mean anything without other tells along with it. HOWEVER he is also playing the n00b card alot and while it is true I want to see more of this analysis out of him before i truely call him all out scum. His last post is correcting a misspelling of his name. So: Mig is: Sheeping Doesnt want an assassin in a position of power. Wants a Town mayor (Don't we all?) Stressing he is new. I think hes more of a Newbie Sheeping Town than Scum A townie read from LSB/ON. Convenient. Pretty content-light analysis, but i pointed that out when it was posted. Just like i fos'd GM, coag and ON from a very early stage in case people think I'm just throwing around baseless accusations or that I'm scum (lol) I pretty agree with your main points here. I have suspected ON from day one and have dismissed most of what LSB is saying just because I thought I had a really strong scrum read on ON. As for Mig, I do find it very strange that he had a very strong town read on GM. Who the hell had a strong town read on GM and WHY? There were no good reasons for it. Having people higher on your lynch list that GM is one thing but getting a strong town read after all that shit with him went down is another thing completely. | ||
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On April 15 2011 15:36 redFF wrote: He thought day 1 was a lynch vote and made his only post in the thread saying he was going to vote to lynch me and then voted me for mayor. Hasn't returned since. ^^ Haha, it's a love/hate relationship. | ||
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2.) LSB's actions I do not think are particularly scummy but it's the actions of ON, the guy he replaced. Let's not get too caught up in LSB's play and remember how bad ON was looking before the replacement. 3.) I really think the assassins should be hitting protac. This guy has got to be an assassin himself and I know other people agree with me here. He has great analysis for right now, but his goals do not align with that of the towns. I don't think there is a need to have him protected by a blue tonight and if an assassin kills him then so be it, the game will go on just fine without him. I would expect his manipulation level to skyrocket in the next day or two. 4.) The only person I actually trust/trusted to be blue that has claimed is M0nsterChef, which I attribute to him being backed into a corner and making a bad play. He will probably end up dead tonight anyway. He might be worth trying to save for the night, but I'm also not convinced that he will be checking out the right people. I am still unsure of the best people to suggest blues to try to save tonight so I will probably make that post later. | ||
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On April 16 2011 05:23 Rean wrote: I would post I TOLD YOU SO a hundred times but I wouldn't be giving FW enough credit. So let's find a suitable vigilante target (LSB isn't suitable because he's a assassin). Has there been a really good case for LSB being assassin? If you made one could you point me to it or repost it? I know I am only repeating myself but ON's actions before LSB even came into the picture were not town or assassin, they were red. | ||
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On April 16 2011 05:35 Rean wrote: I'll write up a case for LSB being black. aidnai suggesting we hit him pushed me from 99% to the full 100% black. I look forward to this because I have believed him to be red since day one based much of what aidnai points out. | ||
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On April 16 2011 09:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: It makes perfect sense as an opportunity to save coag. If scum think they can split the town between GMarshal's plan and LSB's plan they save Coag either way and none of them die. Right, and Coag is more important because he is the Godfather. | ||
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On April 16 2011 12:59 ilovejonn wrote: I have a feeling most of the active players besides the 2 that died aren't RED. Red, I didn't say black. Why? If Coagulation was chosen as their Godfather, I have a feeling there are a few of the newer players in the scum team as well. No offense to Coag of course. Once the GM using Pardon debate sparked up, note how almost NONE of the newer players stood out to say anything other than bandwagon vote in the vote thread. As such I've looked through some of the newer names and here is what I think of jaminz. Okay, maybe 1 or 2 people called him/her out for being inactive and he felt the need to defend/explain why this is so. I did not read this post in context but this isn't really one of the important posts. However the bolded part is something to take note of, perhaps newer players feel the need to say nice things such as "thanks" or "sorry" in order to compensate the inherent guilt they have for being mafia. Alright, this post I can understand. People have stuff to do IRL and this guy's scum read at the beginning of the game is Dr. H, so he votes him. I didn't read in context again, but jaminz was laying so low I don't think anyone called him out on being inactive at that time? But he comes out of no where to say nothing but he is working on reading and catching up on the thread. Says he'll do analysis. Look at the time stamp, it is April 13 TL time, and it's April 16 TL time right now. This is a clear guilt trip post to make people not call him out on being inactive. The most important post of all. What this post tells me is that jaminz knows or thinks he knows how people think they can catch scum. By reading posts. In that sense, the more you post the more likely you'll get found out! Newbie mafia mistake? Do note, that all the quotes I have are all the posts jaminz has had so far. I also felt that the need for him to quote and respond to Coag's question was probably because jaminz and Coag is on the same scum team. This was near the end of Day 2, when GM was about to get lynched. It is April 15. jaminz said that he would do analysis on April 13. Even if he did not, there were CLEAR targets for her to put a placeholder vote on. Who does he put it on? Dr. H again. Why? Maybe because he doesn't want to feel bad for voting GM or Coag since they are on the same team. Conclusion: jaminz is mafia. I really don't think anything you have on him is particularly scummy. Nothing he said indicates mafia to me at all. He hasn't done anything good for the town either though. I bet he is just a newer player. I think the more interesting question is why did you feel the need to try an analysis on him? I give you credit for trying but I don't believe it is scummy at all. Are you just trying to help town out? Are you trying to make people think you are being a productive member of the town? What is your motive here? | ||
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I think the quotes you picked out for the analysis does not say anything other than he is a newer and probably timid player. Just because he hasn't done anything good for the town doesn't mean he should be a lynch target. At least he is another body for the town. I don't really understand the last part of your post about smurfing, newer players, and dropbear. Are you just pissed off that your target is mostly lurking? I honestly don't think it's even necessary to go through your analysis and write up why I think it doesn't tell us anything useful. If another poster finds this analysis worthwhile and wants me to take a stab at it let me know. | ||
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On April 16 2011 15:30 Barundar wrote: Yeah bum, when i hear something retarded like "i wouldnt hesitate to lynch barundar to find out exactly whats going on" i get pissed off. If you have a problem with my play crtizise it or analyse me or whatever, but don't give me shit for informing town of a roleblock 2 days in a row. Going to vote conversion. He is lurking hardcore and show no sign of wantong to help town forward. If its lurkers you're worried about why do you pick conversion? What about kevconsim, Milkyst, or metalface, to name a few people I would consider lurkers. I'm not sure it's a good idea to start lynching lurkers because it probably won't tell us much whatever role they turn out to be. | ||
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On April 17 2011 02:02 TranceStorm wrote: I find your responses to being put under pressure very troubling though. In the very beginning, you seemed to be more active and willing to question the motives of other players. After Barundur started to put pressure on you, you put up the excuse that you were new and wanted to avoid being seen as scum repeatedly - until we've reached this moment where you are basically saying "lynch me, but you'll regret it!". To me, the fact that you have withdrawn as the game moved on is highly suspicious especially since each post seems to be a justification as to why you shouldn't have to make contentful posts in the future. I think conversion was relatively scummy throughout the game. No huge tells but he is not helping the town although it seems like is is trying to (or faking trying to). I'm pretty sure someone did a decent analysis earlier of him that was pretty convincing. On April 18 2011 07:54 TranceStorm wrote: I'm going to vote for jaminz for today's lynch. Mig's post on jaminz is especially incriminating for me on jaminz' remarkable change in posting behavior. Considering how helpful he seemed to be in the previous game that Mig spotted (Haunted Mafia), you would expect that jaminz would contribute a little more in the current circumstances. jaminz is a much stronger candidate than kevconsim for me. Reading from his previous games, his contribution always seems to be rather limited which makes him an extremely uncertain lynch target in my opinion. On the issue of the roleblocks, I think we should wait another day before we make any judgments on whether m0nster or Barundur are lying. It seems especially strange that the number of people roleblocked should go from 1 to 2 (it seems far more likely for 2 people to have been roleblocked on the first night and only 1 on the 2nd night considering the collection of hits between the assassins). If there are indeed 2 roleblockers, why would they choose to not roleblock on the first day? I stated earlier that all of jaminz's "scummy" posts really point much more to him being a novice at the game than anything else. The same goes for M0nsterchef. I had a strong scum read on him early in the game but once he blue claimed I reversed my thinking on him. I believe him to be an inexperienced player who felt like he had to claim his blue status in order to avoid being lynched. It's a perfectly rational thing to do even if it's not the smartest thing to do. I think the issue that makes me think conversion is the summiest looking player we have is the fact that he is advocating the lynch of M0nsterchef, who I think we should believe to be blue. He already voted for M0nsterChef as well. Mafia want blues dead and it would be better to kill blues with a lynch so they can focus on killing other players with their KP. I'm placing my vote on conversion. | ||
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ANYWAY, all I can work with is my personal experience with jaminz in this game. I guess I can't really hold it against people are are voting for him because of his past games but I won't take other people's word as the basis for my own decisions. I really don't think he is mafia and I want to ask anyone voting for him or who haven't voted yet to reconsider tying the noose around jaminz's neck. | ||
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Key point I want everyone to read: jaminz is not red. | ||
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After DropBear is dead we start just going through all that is left of people who seem scummyish or just lurk. It might take a few days but the mafia KP will be so low it will be just a matter of time until we win. OR Somehow Dr. H. played the shit out of this game and is mafia. All I really have against him is his poor track record this game. Most of the people that were on his scum list turned out to be town. However, his analysis seems convincing that he is town. If we did check or even kill Dr. H., would it really be worth it at this point? | ||
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He was making sketchy posts at the time (which I still believe to be sketchy), jaminz did a good job of bringing some of his posts together for easier examination, and TranceStorm brought up a point I agreed with. I was not throwing shit around just to see if it would stick. Also, you hurt my feelings when you tell me to play better. | ||
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I feel like mafia's best strategy would be taking out the bodyguards then Doc. H because of his voting power this late in the game. Both people we think to be bodyguards as is Dr. H. Are the mafia just banking on Doc. H. screwing this up? Are they just playing poorly? Maybe I'm wrong here. I would really like to hear from some experienced players as I'm getting suspicious Dr. H. is just playing us. His play has been much different from the beginning of the game to now. He was just spamming shit in the beginning. He made some early calls that were bad, which is easy to overlook when the game is in its early stages. However, he repaired his image with good analysis and hunting. But now he is more inactive than our inactive list. It's tough to know what to make of it and I want to hear what other people think about this. I'm still most likely going to be voting for conversion at this point as I did before. He has done nothing to ease the suspicion of him from before. And now it seems like he has given up. Frustrated, poor-posting townie or frustrated scum? I'm going with frustrated scum. Maybe he's afraid the more he says the more trouble he will get himself into. | ||
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On April 23 2011 08:19 jaminz wrote: There's no other way that kitaman could have died last night right? I saw Airblade visit him, and there was no one else who did so. I couldn't think of any other reason that kitaman would have died, so Airblade must be mafia. That is not possible because I was role blocked. | ||
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I'm 95% sure you are town and my mind is being blown at what is happening. I can only visit homes if people I follow do. And I didn't go anywhere last night so I have no idea what is going on. | ||
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I thought I already expressed my confusion for jaminz's watcher claim and saw me visit kita claim. | ||
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But I just want to say that beyond my first post I have to argue against the fact that I have a scummy post history. Before you make any final decisions I hope you will at least check my record. | ||
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Forget the Dr. H. stuff by the way. | ||
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jaminz- I felt your heart break when you called me out even though I was defending you the whole game. <3 DropBear - It was tough trying to figure out what to do after all the shit went down with GM and coag. I think we did a decent job with what we had and you had some good ideas yourself. Australia is where it's at. Trance - It was good to have at least 3 people trying to play and throwing ideas back and forth. By this time we had an unusually agreeable mafia organization, it just didn't feel right because everyone was so polite, chill, and generally pleasant. I mean that in a nice way though. GM - Thanks for pushing to get me lynched so hard. It probably helped me survive as long as I did with good town cred. conversion - I just picked on you because you had some suspicious posts that could easily be taken as scummy. | ||
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