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On April 16 2011 05:23 Rean wrote: I would post I TOLD YOU SO a hundred times but I wouldn't be giving FW enough credit. So let's find a suitable vigilante target (LSB isn't suitable because he's a assassin). Has there been a really good case for LSB being assassin? If you made one could you point me to it or repost it? I know I am only repeating myself but ON's actions before LSB even came into the picture were not town or assassin, they were red. | ||
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On April 16 2011 05:35 Rean wrote: I'll write up a case for LSB being black. aidnai suggesting we hit him pushed me from 99% to the full 100% black. I look forward to this because I have believed him to be red since day one based much of what aidnai points out. | ||
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On April 16 2011 09:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: It makes perfect sense as an opportunity to save coag. If scum think they can split the town between GMarshal's plan and LSB's plan they save Coag either way and none of them die. Right, and Coag is more important because he is the Godfather. | ||
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On April 16 2011 12:59 ilovejonn wrote: I have a feeling most of the active players besides the 2 that died aren't RED. Red, I didn't say black. Why? If Coagulation was chosen as their Godfather, I have a feeling there are a few of the newer players in the scum team as well. No offense to Coag of course. Once the GM using Pardon debate sparked up, note how almost NONE of the newer players stood out to say anything other than bandwagon vote in the vote thread. As such I've looked through some of the newer names and here is what I think of jaminz. Okay, maybe 1 or 2 people called him/her out for being inactive and he felt the need to defend/explain why this is so. I did not read this post in context but this isn't really one of the important posts. However the bolded part is something to take note of, perhaps newer players feel the need to say nice things such as "thanks" or "sorry" in order to compensate the inherent guilt they have for being mafia. Alright, this post I can understand. People have stuff to do IRL and this guy's scum read at the beginning of the game is Dr. H, so he votes him. I didn't read in context again, but jaminz was laying so low I don't think anyone called him out on being inactive at that time? But he comes out of no where to say nothing but he is working on reading and catching up on the thread. Says he'll do analysis. Look at the time stamp, it is April 13 TL time, and it's April 16 TL time right now. This is a clear guilt trip post to make people not call him out on being inactive. The most important post of all. What this post tells me is that jaminz knows or thinks he knows how people think they can catch scum. By reading posts. In that sense, the more you post the more likely you'll get found out! Newbie mafia mistake? Do note, that all the quotes I have are all the posts jaminz has had so far. I also felt that the need for him to quote and respond to Coag's question was probably because jaminz and Coag is on the same scum team. This was near the end of Day 2, when GM was about to get lynched. It is April 15. jaminz said that he would do analysis on April 13. Even if he did not, there were CLEAR targets for her to put a placeholder vote on. Who does he put it on? Dr. H again. Why? Maybe because he doesn't want to feel bad for voting GM or Coag since they are on the same team. Conclusion: jaminz is mafia. I really don't think anything you have on him is particularly scummy. Nothing he said indicates mafia to me at all. He hasn't done anything good for the town either though. I bet he is just a newer player. I think the more interesting question is why did you feel the need to try an analysis on him? I give you credit for trying but I don't believe it is scummy at all. Are you just trying to help town out? Are you trying to make people think you are being a productive member of the town? What is your motive here? | ||
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I think the quotes you picked out for the analysis does not say anything other than he is a newer and probably timid player. Just because he hasn't done anything good for the town doesn't mean he should be a lynch target. At least he is another body for the town. I don't really understand the last part of your post about smurfing, newer players, and dropbear. Are you just pissed off that your target is mostly lurking? I honestly don't think it's even necessary to go through your analysis and write up why I think it doesn't tell us anything useful. If another poster finds this analysis worthwhile and wants me to take a stab at it let me know. | ||
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On April 16 2011 15:30 Barundar wrote: Yeah bum, when i hear something retarded like "i wouldnt hesitate to lynch barundar to find out exactly whats going on" i get pissed off. If you have a problem with my play crtizise it or analyse me or whatever, but don't give me shit for informing town of a roleblock 2 days in a row. Going to vote conversion. He is lurking hardcore and show no sign of wantong to help town forward. If its lurkers you're worried about why do you pick conversion? What about kevconsim, Milkyst, or metalface, to name a few people I would consider lurkers. I'm not sure it's a good idea to start lynching lurkers because it probably won't tell us much whatever role they turn out to be. | ||
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On April 17 2011 02:02 TranceStorm wrote: I find your responses to being put under pressure very troubling though. In the very beginning, you seemed to be more active and willing to question the motives of other players. After Barundur started to put pressure on you, you put up the excuse that you were new and wanted to avoid being seen as scum repeatedly - until we've reached this moment where you are basically saying "lynch me, but you'll regret it!". To me, the fact that you have withdrawn as the game moved on is highly suspicious especially since each post seems to be a justification as to why you shouldn't have to make contentful posts in the future. I think conversion was relatively scummy throughout the game. No huge tells but he is not helping the town although it seems like is is trying to (or faking trying to). I'm pretty sure someone did a decent analysis earlier of him that was pretty convincing. On April 18 2011 07:54 TranceStorm wrote: I'm going to vote for jaminz for today's lynch. Mig's post on jaminz is especially incriminating for me on jaminz' remarkable change in posting behavior. Considering how helpful he seemed to be in the previous game that Mig spotted (Haunted Mafia), you would expect that jaminz would contribute a little more in the current circumstances. jaminz is a much stronger candidate than kevconsim for me. Reading from his previous games, his contribution always seems to be rather limited which makes him an extremely uncertain lynch target in my opinion. On the issue of the roleblocks, I think we should wait another day before we make any judgments on whether m0nster or Barundur are lying. It seems especially strange that the number of people roleblocked should go from 1 to 2 (it seems far more likely for 2 people to have been roleblocked on the first night and only 1 on the 2nd night considering the collection of hits between the assassins). If there are indeed 2 roleblockers, why would they choose to not roleblock on the first day? I stated earlier that all of jaminz's "scummy" posts really point much more to him being a novice at the game than anything else. The same goes for M0nsterchef. I had a strong scum read on him early in the game but once he blue claimed I reversed my thinking on him. I believe him to be an inexperienced player who felt like he had to claim his blue status in order to avoid being lynched. It's a perfectly rational thing to do even if it's not the smartest thing to do. I think the issue that makes me think conversion is the summiest looking player we have is the fact that he is advocating the lynch of M0nsterchef, who I think we should believe to be blue. He already voted for M0nsterChef as well. Mafia want blues dead and it would be better to kill blues with a lynch so they can focus on killing other players with their KP. I'm placing my vote on conversion. | ||
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ANYWAY, all I can work with is my personal experience with jaminz in this game. I guess I can't really hold it against people are are voting for him because of his past games but I won't take other people's word as the basis for my own decisions. I really don't think he is mafia and I want to ask anyone voting for him or who haven't voted yet to reconsider tying the noose around jaminz's neck. | ||
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Key point I want everyone to read: jaminz is not red. | ||
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After DropBear is dead we start just going through all that is left of people who seem scummyish or just lurk. It might take a few days but the mafia KP will be so low it will be just a matter of time until we win. OR Somehow Dr. H. played the shit out of this game and is mafia. All I really have against him is his poor track record this game. Most of the people that were on his scum list turned out to be town. However, his analysis seems convincing that he is town. If we did check or even kill Dr. H., would it really be worth it at this point? | ||
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He was making sketchy posts at the time (which I still believe to be sketchy), jaminz did a good job of bringing some of his posts together for easier examination, and TranceStorm brought up a point I agreed with. I was not throwing shit around just to see if it would stick. Also, you hurt my feelings when you tell me to play better. ![]() | ||
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