Insane Mafia 2

##Vote Pandain

First Post! Whoop dee do not much to see here, he’s running because he’s town and wants something to do.

This is in response to Bum’s plan to have a police claim. Note that Bum has not claimed yet he is merely suggesting a plan. Bum states that in order for someone to refute the police claim they would have to expose their entire team and Annul doesn’t understand why. At this point I have no problem with this post, it’s a legitimate question and Bum’s plan is only 20 posts old.

Here’s why we should vote for him, because he’s good when he has a good game. Well that’s generally true for most of us, we’re good when we have a good game . At this point he hasn’t got me convinced at all. His two good games have come as mafia not town.

Um Annul I’d like to point out that if you have a good game as scum it’s almost impossible to catch you, Haunted ring a bell anyone? So no, that refutes your first point. Secondly you claim it’ll be easy to find you town because you’re in the item game. Interesting claim, I’d love to hear more.

This is a good point. Electing a town item player would help ensure town victory. I’d be all aboard for electing an item game player if they could give me a good reasoning of why they’re town or how they’re going to lynch or other good mayorly stuff like that. However at this time Annul hasn’t done that.

This is speculation but I don’t feel it’s unfounded. The logic is there and it makes sense. But tell me Annul; why should we elect you other than the fact you’re an item player. He’s made his point about the item game but he hasn’t proved himself. For all we know he could be a red trying to get some protection so he doesn’t get killed by the blacks to quickly.

Ahha! Bum is lying because claimed to have access to more than a circle. Now this does seem like an odd claim to make and I’d appreciate Bum expounding on it. However it’s not conclusive that Bum is lying. We don’t know what was in Bum’s PM so there could have been a passage about other abilities as a group not necessarily the individual but the group. Either way, it’s not conclusive that Bum is lying and it’s certainly not enough to lynch him for. On the other hand I would appreciate and explanation from Bum as it is the one hole in his story I’ve found.

OK Bum asks a very good question. Annul answers that the blues may have a power which they don’t want to reveal yet. Wait a second, didn’t he just yell at Bum for talking about what blue powers exist? He’s saying that the blues may have this power. That’s fine let’s say they do. However by his own argument they shouldn’t know about it yet thus removing their block of counter claiming Bum. This is the first logical disconnect we see; Annul is saying that the blues may have this power, however he’s also saying there’s no way for them to know about it. If they don’t know about it then how would they know not to claim in order to protect it?

This seems to be the crux of Annul’s argument and what forced the thread past 50 pages. He doesn’t trust Bum because he doesn’t think the blue team would go for a 1/1 trade. He rampantly speculates about the killing habits of the red and blue teams as well as discusses potential anti town abilities. All this however is basically moot. He’s making assumptions that the blue team would not come out a kill Bum with a CC. Well while he was busy speculating red/black powers he forgot that the town has powers to. If someone came out and CC’d Bum it wouldn’t be a 1/1 trade because we could medic protect the outed blue. We wouldn’t even have to kill anyone until we had confirmation, we could wait and DT check Bum or the accuser so we were absolutely sure. Town is not helpless this game, remember we are all technically “Blue” it’s just that four of us can PM.
Annul also revisits his “Bum lied” argument. Remember this was already proved to be a case of bad logic. He also reiterates his “let’s elect an item player.” The logic is sound but the execution is getting more flawed by the post.

This is more rampant speculation about killing habits of the anti town teams. To be honest I don’t see the point of this. As town we need to kill all enemies, black or red. Who the blacks and reds are shooting at doesn’t really matter to me as long as we’re killing them. He also assumes that somehow the blacks and reds will be able to tell themselves apart but I didn’t spot anything like that in the OP.

Ok fair enough, he thinks an item player should be elected, we get that. The second two points however are addressing his skills as a player. He doesn’t understand the first one and doesn’t believe the second one. At this point after going through his posts I can tell you he has done a poor job of listing his abilities as a scum hunter and Tack is right, several people had called into question his skills.

No you’re right, giving a Townie from the item game mayorship would be ideal. However he’s again completely focusing on black players and he actually believes that ” giving mayor to a black player is going to be no net loss”. This right here is enough to lynch him imo. This is so blatantly anti town. Not only that, he’s completely forgotten how bad it would be if the mafia got the mayorship. This post is quite frankly appalling. He’s fine with anti town people having free reign over the first lynch and giving them body guards.

He’s tunneling really hard core on this item game and he doesn’t even know what the items are yet.

This is fair; perhaps Bum was intentionally breadcrumbing as blue so he could “slip” later on… what’s the problem with that? Oh yeah the blues know who they are and could kill that with a simple CC which I’ve already shown wouldn’t hurt the blue team. Although I have to give him +1 for the use of automagically.

Whoa ad hominems are coming out. He’s neigh obsessed with this item game and killing the lone black player in it (even to the point of ignoring the mafia).

Remember everyone, the police force doesn’t know what powers they have therefore Bum must be lying but the reason the police force isn’t CCing Bum is because they have some kickass ability they don’t want to reveal… logical disconnect detected.

“Hey guys I’m fine with handing the first lynch and giving double night protection to someone who’s not town.” Glad you realize that nominating a red would be bad but remember way back up at the top of this post, you never really established yourself as protown. We’re just supposed to take your word… but not Bums?

I think this is the post where Annul starts repeating himself. Mathematically it’s true that the item game and regular game are equal in terms of picking an anti town player so his argument just plain fails here. Also we’ve already gone over this, Bum is as good as confirmed because of the lack of counter claim (I already explained why a counter claim would work and not hurt the town). It would be nice to have a protected player in the item game but as I posted somewhere, it’s easy for the town to win the item, we just DT check until we find a green then protect that green and kill the reds. The red/blacks can’t kill people in the item game fast enough, the town is almost guaranteed (as guaranteed as Bum is blue I dare say ) to finding a townie to protect.

Your tunneling is killing you here. You’re fine letting a black win the mayorship because “it doesn’t affect the item game.” This is quite frankly retarded. The black player now has triple night life practically, and also can decide the first lynch. Not only is electing a black bad (which you fail to see) but electing a red would be catastrophic. Which you admit is bad but isn’t enough to deter you. Well my friend, it’s enough to deter me.

oh but wait… they don’t know their powers yet right?

NONONO the TOWN already has said we want someone confirmed. We don’t give two shits about math because no one in the item game is confirmed (and we can debate whether Bum is confirmed or not till the cows come home but the majority of the town is in agreement here and I’ve already outlined why a CC would be good for the blues if Bum is lyning).

Your math doesn’t matter when it comes to confirmation. Electing a scum mayor is bad, glad we agree. Electing a black mayor is bad BUT OH MY GOD CAN WE DROP THE RETARDED ITEM GAME You act like it’s the only thing that matters. News flash coming up, it would be REALLY bad were a black to get the mayor. I don’t give a damn if it changes nothing IN THE GOD DAMN ITEM GAME. I’m concerned about the rest of the town and if all you care about is the item game than I’m all for lynching you right now.

“It would be suboptimal to kill a red.” Yet another post I’d be willing to lynch you for

Already addressed all of this. Yes Bum is confirmed. No a CC would not hurt the blues. Yes it would be slightly better to have a green item mayor but damn son someone from that item game needs to step up quick and prove themselves more town than Bum to get my vote.

This is a fair point. Yes if we had a red a black it would be better to lynch the black. However we should try and find ALL anti town players regardless of faction because we have to kill them all anyway. We shouldn’t tunnel on one color (which is what you’re doing).

get over yourself, I think we just might scrape out a win if we don’t win the item game, items are undoubtedly nice but I doubt they’re so OP that it’s auto lose for town if we don’t win the item game.

you know an awful lot about scum killing tactics don’t you. This post would probably warrant a FoS if it was by itself without the rest of your posts.

This quote was directed at me, I’m not even sure what it’s supposed to mean, I was just remarking on how I didn’t like your fixation with blacks. At that point I was definitely not voting for you because of your sever tunneling.

So basically the whole town is scum then no?

But he wouldn’t be sacrificing himself. For all the thinking you did on the math you should probably stop and consider possible town roles as well.

for all practical purposes he is

but they wouldn’t die…

You’re sounding worshipful of blues which is heavily discouraged… also who said anything about dying?

oh yeah remember this? Remember that you have similarly bad logic associated with it?

out of the blue we get Walrus. Wow… not sure what to say. I think this is a pretty dumb lynch, if you’re lynching him for lurking then there are a dozen better suspects. Also he’s in your precious item game, you don’t want to risk killing a townie and thus lowering our chance of winning it?

oh haha here’s the reasoning. He’ll just pick walrus because he felt like it… great trait to have as mayor.

you take an opportunity to defend Coag who I feel has been pretty scummy so far. Nothing compared to you but scummy nonetheless.

ridiculous ad hominem, the same could be said for yourself.

oh… wow… you just wasted 100 posts and you realized oops, it’s not that good. This is probably the stupidest thing I’ve ever witnessed.

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BAD PUN ALERT :D

First time scum and I had a lot of you fooled though... good learning experience :D