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On March 25 2011 10:01 annul wrote:
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do you just simply refuse to recognize the potential for blues to be worth more than 1 scum death? notice how not a SINGLE PLAYER has argued against that point, despite bringing it up repeatedly. please, decon. counter that point directly. please. dont straw man, dont ad hominem. tell me, is it not possible that a blue's life is worth more than that of ONE scum?
You still don't get it. In order for a single blue to die, mafia have to expose 4 of their team. Even in that case, theres a 50/50 chance of us lynching one of the 4 mafia claimants first. If we do lynch a blue first, then we now have 4 confirmed mafia and 3 blues that we can attempt to keep alive with medics.
There is no way on earth I can see mafia being so bad that they would try to pull this shit.
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ace said "no comment" in death factory as well when darmo asked a similar question trying to catch me in a lie. the answer itself was irrelevant; ace still said "no comment."
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On March 25 2011 10:02 GMarshal wrote:@ wiggles Show nested quote + Blue Police Force - This is the pro town mason circle. In a world full of reds and blacks, the greens need some help, and help comes in the form of the big guns. Of course, the police can’t actually kill people, but they have their own way of helping.
To me this means NO kills, no hatters, no vigs, etc.
Oh, my bad, didn't see that, thought he was referencing where it gives KP totals at the bottom.
But also:
help comes in the form of the big guns
Maybe we're wrong, guess we'll see how he helps :p
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no, mafia do not need to expose 4 of their team for a single blue to die.
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It's obvious that you're not convincing annul.
By arguing constantly you're only encouraging spam.
Be the better man and let it go, at least till tomorrow.
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On March 25 2011 10:01 annul wrote:
ho
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fuck
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shit.
do you just simply refuse to recognize the potential for blues to be worth more than 1 scum death? notice how not a SINGLE PLAYER has argued against that point, despite bringing it up repeatedly. please, decon. counter that point directly. please. dont straw man, dont ad hominem. tell me, is it not possible that a blue's life is worth more than that of ONE scum?
I'll adress it then ^_^
It is possible, but both scum and third party are looking at it from their limited viewpoint, for the scum team is it worth sacrificing one of six members for a blue who's powers they don't know? NO, since they have other ways of getting rid of him, it will just take longer, remember while we have to worry about 10 enemies the scum teams each have to worry about the other scum team who can kill them. Even if its an uneven trade for the blues though its probably worth the sacrifice at this point just to eliminate the fake belief in a "confirmed" mayor
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CubEdIn you're right of course...
I should have let this go ages ago. I don't know what it is... When someone is constantly disagreeing with themselves it just feels like a MUST OPEN EYES scenario...
This is moot until there is a cc. If there isn't I assume Bum is mayor.
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On March 25 2011 10:08 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 10:01 annul wrote:
ho
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fuck
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shit.
do you just simply refuse to recognize the potential for blues to be worth more than 1 scum death? notice how not a SINGLE PLAYER has argued against that point, despite bringing it up repeatedly. please, decon. counter that point directly. please. dont straw man, dont ad hominem. tell me, is it not possible that a blue's life is worth more than that of ONE scum? I'll adress it then ^_^ It is possible,
thank you, that is what counts. it is POSSIBLE. therefore, bum is NOT confirmed.
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On March 25 2011 10:06 annul wrote:
no, mafia do not need to expose 4 of their team for a single blue to die.
Yes they do.
Case where bum is mafia:
-Blue ccs with backup from friend. Now either
-Bum gets lynched and blue is elected mayor
-One of bum's partners claims blue also. In this case another real blue claims. Now either
-Bum + partner get lynched, elect blue as mayor and medic on the other one
-Mafia add another claimant.
Repeat until 4 blues + 4 mafia have claimed. It is the same thing if bum is town, just the other way around.
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nor will he be even if no CC even when the roles are revealed.
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Ok on the positive side there's plenty to analize and some inactives to prod, so lets get to finding some nice scum for our day one lynch shall we? I'm betting that the mafia put out at least one candidate for mayor so I propose taking a close look at all of us who ran.
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Isnt all this claim counterclaiming WIFOMy anyways I mean really were beating this topic to death.
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As far as I am concerned the discussion with annul is over, we are getting nowhere and letting scum hide in the disagreement. Onto considering lynch targets
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do you just simply refuse to recognize the potential for blues to be worth more than 1 scum death?
Yes this is possible. It is also possible that this isn't true. Based on past games, there is more supporting the latter case but we can ignore that. In the end we don't know. You don't know. No one except the blues know. Even then they don't really know till their powers are revealed to them. So until then, there's no point arguing this point.
At the same time, giving the mayor to a item player is itself dangerous. There's a 1/6 chance a red gets it, 1/6 chance a black gets it and a 4/6 chance greens get it. There is nothing to cancel out the black so lets say it's 1/3 for anti-town to get it and 2/3 chance for town to get it.
In that same vein, if done with the whole game in context, there is a 8/15 chance for town to get it, 2/15 chance blues get it, 3/15 chance mafia get it and 2/15 chance black gets it. Basically there's the same chance black or blue gets it and town is more than 2 times as likely to get it as red. Assuming black and blue cancel out, it'll be 8/15 v 2/15. There is a higher chance for greens to get it than red when viewing the whole game compared to the item game.
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annul is basically confirmed town at this point.... We're probably gonna have to string him along...
I see typing injuries in my future
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On March 25 2011 10:12 Tackster wrote:
annul is basically confirmed town at this point.... We're probably gonna have to string him along...
I see typing injuries in my future
In no way is he confirmed town, disagreeing with the majority and opposing a pro-town plan means nothing (check XXXVII for proof of that)
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On March 24 2011 12:53 bumatlarge wrote:
3) We have access to more then a circle. I won't disclose anymore until it's clear I am going to win.
remember this? how does he know he has access to more than just a circle, if only alignment PMs went out? that is what started my attack on him to begin with. notice how he only came out AFTER trying to push this meme regarding counterclaims?
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Isn't night 0 48 hours? I think we have to wait another day after today before we get our roles.
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On March 25 2011 10:15 tnkted wrote:
Isn't night 0 48 hours? I think we have to wait another day after today before we get our roles.
It ends in <45 minutes
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In my eyes if I were to work so hard to invest in a plan that's bad for town I would either be mafia or... trying to come up with a non-insulting term here... simple?
So the way this turned out I can't imagine mafia pretending to be THAT simple so successfully... I mean that really takes acting lessons...
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