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On March 26 2011 07:46 Insanious wrote: The other thing I want to say is... lynch BrownBear, he is mafia  . I'm calling it now. Want to just get this here from posterity sake, then we can move on till I can "I told you so" the town.Thy reasons dear venom, thy reasons! | ||
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On March 26 2011 10:12 CubEdIn wrote: @Meapak: If there's one counter claim a few hours before day's ending we should ignore it, since mafia could try to cause some chaos in order for town not to have a proven blue mayor, at the expense of a player. I may be going out on a limb here, but if there are "real" blues out there, they had plenty of time to check their roles and decide to CC. If they haven't so far then they're either keeping it quiet or they simply are on bum's team. Just my 2cents. If someone decides to counter-claim they should do it fast, so that town has enough time to reason their decision and votes. Not sure why you addressed this at me but I agree. I've cast my vote for Bum and I'm gonna keep it there regardless of a CC for precisely the reason you pointed out. In fact everyone should take a moment and consider this, Cube's post bears repeating, if there is a CC at the 11th hour it is most likely mafia trying to screw us over. | ||
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On March 26 2011 10:55 GGQ wrote: Voting bumatlarge for mayor. Suggesting darmousseh as primary lynch target for now. While I'm glad we have a varried field of lynch candidates I would appreciate if people would post their reasoning for wanting to lynch someone. | ||
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On March 28 2011 01:44 Jackal58 wrote: Because you're scum. You claim to be new. You're not new. You're a smurf. Who are you Tack? Ver again??? LSB made if fairly clear in the OP he wanted some smurfs. He wanted smurfs that told him who they were. You're one of them. You are most assuredly no noob. It's also interesting you so easily dismiss your item. A mood ring. Used to check alignments Funny how the black team got a similar item. Who needs DT's if there is only one scum faction? Town. Who needs DTs if there are 2 scum factions? Everybody. Interesting how darm was the CEO of the black faction. Interesting he had a DT item. You're the GF aren't you Tack? You are certainly no noob. You most assuredly didn't get confused because you don't know anybody's names. Who are you Tack? Foolishness? Ver? Qatol? Because you aren't a noob.. Really? This post does NOTHING except ad hominem Tack over a simple mistake and it makes some hise blunders calling him a smurf when it’s already known that Tack was Decon’s roommate(This isn’t the only post like it that makes poor arguments and is generally scummy, if it’s really needed I’ll go back through the thread and find more). I’m not even sure why Jackal thinks that Tack is scum at this point while I can readily see why Jackal is scum. This thread has really turned into a huge shitfest which has made it hard to keep up so if Jackal would mind posting a quick paraphrase of why Tack needs to die I’d greatly appreciate it because at the moment it feels like there are two unconfirmeds left in the IG and Jackal is fighting because Tack is unconfirmed while Tack is fighting because he thinks Jackal is scum. | ||
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On March 28 2011 03:40 bumatlarge wrote: My scumlist looks like a christmas tree getting smashed against a rainbow. I think you are like an ultraviolet ray bouncing off a particularly gaudy-looking ornament. When this game finishes I'm putting this in the epic qoutes thread | ||
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BrownBear Eii Amber Decondou Beneather These people having been acting pretty scummy in my eyes so you can expect analysis on most of them within a day. In the meantime peace out and shut up. GGQ's argument is the only thing that makes sense in this whole shithole of a thread. | ||
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On March 29 2011 16:30 Lanaia wrote: There has legitimately been nothing since I last posted. I'm kind of sad about that. Give me stuff to analyze for tomorrow morning, guys! Don't worry I'm working on BB right now, we'll see how many people I get through before I decide to call it a night. | ||
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On March 25 2011 00:20 BrownBear wrote: It's POSSIBLE that bum is a 3rd-party and our blue team is retarded. Very very unlikely though. I see no reason to not vote for him at least for the time being. Although, probably not happening, but imagine this: bum is 3rd party. Blues counterclaim. another 3rd party CCs the blue's counterclaim (nah guys, bum's a blue, so am i!). Blues with another of theirs. So on and so forth. Mafia rofls. We lose pretty hard  First game related post. BB is the first person to propose the multi person trade if a scum team put forward one of their members as a blue. This really isn’t that big of a deal at the time however this theory he created became a major point of contention later on in regards to exposing blues with the counter claims. Nothing much to see in this post so let’s move along. On March 25 2011 00:58 BrownBear wrote: Technically, we trade all the blues, because mafia will then proceed to nightkill everyone who survives the madness. Still not a TERRIBLE trade, just not the best. RoL: You knew that already Oh here we go, back to the day one shitfest. In this post BB is just clarifying what he’s already said. No big deal although he’s operating under the assumption the town has no way to protect in the night (a similar argument Annul made). This is just a difference of opinions between him and I; even though it’s insane mafia I felt that it was safe to assume there would be roles that could protect people, turns out I’m right unless Kav is lying. The one interesting part of this post is that he doesn’t think it’s too bad trading all blues for blacks/reds. This is a philosophical mafia debate. How valuable are blue roles? In this game I’d argue we’re only really trading a glorified mason circle since everyone has a role of some sort. And as we’ve learned from GMarshal’s death there may be more than one mason circle (at least that’s what I got from the day post). So I’m philosophically in line with this post, I would trade the blue PM circle for the entire black team or a significant portion of the scum team. This was something that was argued pretty heavily day one so I won’t go through it any more. On March 26 2011 03:47 BrownBear wrote: This thread fucking exploded. Ugh. I'm trying to catch up. As far as I can tell, nobody has counterclaimed bum, so I'm gonna throw my vote his direction unless either something drastic comes up or a better candidate comes forth. Since BB has so few posts I hope you’ll humor me if I quote every single one. Just making the safe move here, with no counter claim Bum is the best bet. On March 28 2011 02:59 BrownBear wrote: Hahahaha, for a second I thought that Barundar had the power of being able to edit his posts. Ok, so well done bum, I'm pretty sure that unless I missed something huge, there was no counter blue claim. I'm also reading through 50+ pages (was on a plane for most of yesterday), so cut me a little slack. I'll pick up the activity now that I'm home/out of midterms. Currently, I'm looking at Jackal cause his name's come up a bunch. I'm also reading through Insanious - his posting gives me a very bad vibe. Nope there wasn’t a counter claim so the Bum vote will stand. Now his suspects are interesting. I don’t remember having a read on insanious when this post was made however I do know I had a pretty good feel about Jackal. In fact a little more about Jackal real quick; he was one of my early town reads along with GMarshal. They were both playing similarly to how they had as town in the past so I felt pretty good about those reads. My only worry with Jackal was Coag’s quick read, as Coag has been confirmed (yes I’ll just use that word) town it doesn’t bother me anymore. GM subsequently died and flipped green like I thought and Jackal got into the IG shitfest. Since then his posts have always seemed slightly scummy to me and if I had to pick on my gut I’d say that Tack is town and Jackal is scum but GGQ’s logic is very good and in mafia you can’t play on whim. Anyway sorry for the tangent back to BBOn March 29 2011 05:45 BrownBear wrote: Reading through the incredible derp-fest that is the after-Day-Post chatter. It's really hilarious. Ok… you’re just adding to it at this point. Who do you suspect? Why? You’ve made several comments about how big the thread is and you have one post explaining inactivity. Do you still suspect Insanious and Jackal? I know it may seem hypocritical for myself to be calling you out when I myself did this a couple of times however I at least tried to give an opinion about what was going on. At the very least it gives fellow townies something to go off of and doesn’t leave them in the dark about you, hell it may even make them stop and think for a second. But you always just go “derp this thread is huge” and that’s it. You’ve gotta have an opinion man. On March 29 2011 06:23 BrownBear wrote: Ok, I think I'm caught up somewhat. Let's see if I can piece this together: Last night a lot of insane shit happened. annul (who had ragequit earlier) was doublestacked, accepted fate. annul now needs to promise me he won't ragequit again if he wants to play in XXXVIII. Coag, you too, if you happen to read this. If either of you plays in XXXVIII and pulls this shit, you'll be permabanned from any games I host. Play the damn game to completion. GMarshal, who had a pretty solid role, got killed I'm curious what this "town kingdom" is - mason circle? With extra powers? Either way, it seems like the king is vulnerable now - I feel like GMarshal was the only BG.Finally, the clusterfuck around Coag's vigi shot that got shifted around somehow, and tnkted's Driver claim, which seems to make sense given how the DT check got fucked. That said, we also need to be aware of the fact that bum and tnkted could both be reds, our blues are idiots who didn't counterclaim, and we're already headed straight to hell in a handbasket. Ok, with all that known, let's look at the facts: Coag has gun, shoots at Tackster (mostly true? I can't find hard evidence why it would be...) Somehow Coag's shot moved to annul (true given above is also true. mind control?) Mafia/3rd party shoots annul (definitely true) Mafia shoots GM (true) Someone shoots kav (what?) Tnkted busses bum and LW (true) bum's DT checks LW, gets bum's alignment back (hopefully this is all true, because then it 100% confirms bum). Other shit? I can't tell... ANYWAY: I see no reason to doubt bum and tnkted (yet). Yes, they could both be red. I doubt it though, that would require a pretty huge gamble on mafia's part, IN ADDITION to town having retarded blues who didn't counterclaim. So what we have learned from last night is: bum is blue tnkted is (almost certainly) BD bum has access to a DT. Now, tnkted posts a list of scum with his claim post. He later redacts his claim on everyone on that list except jackal. However, problem: Jackal and Tackster are both in the item game, but only one of them is scum... At this point, I'm almost entirely convinced Tack is the scum, so tnkted's FOS on Jackal makes negative sense. This makes me doubt tnkted's claim just a little bit. However, tnkted's claim being false would cast suspicion on everything we've built up so far, in addition to being just plain crazy by mafia - they had no reason to throw another red out in the open and fakeclaim. If Tack wasn't red, they wouldn't care enough. If Tack was, it would be far easier for them to just bus him, have bum be extra-super confirmed, and just cruise for a while. So, now we're back to the IG. It isn't LYLO, because now we have a bus driver, in addition to medics! Black has no reason to shoot into the IG anymore. Red has 2 KP. So... tnkted busses one of the IG participants (probably Coag, seems most likely town), and we have another day. In fact... let's assume we lynch Tack, he flips town. tnkted busses a townie in the IG tonight, mafia hits both non-red players. One guy dies, the guy tnkted busses lives, we have confirmed town, lynch last mafia in item game, GG. So at this point, assuming we play it right, we have the item game in the bag. So, let's stop thinking about it so much. We're investing too much energy into a minigame with ONE scum in it. Let's look beyond. Start analyzing the non-IG scummy people. I know I plan to. I'm gonna look at Insanious later. THANK YOU SO FUCKING MUCH! You just made a post of significance we can analyze :D. starts with threats to Annul and Coag for quitting (though Coag really wasn’t), as cohost of his game I strongly echo this . Talks about what’s happened so far, nothing earth shattering just a little summary which is fine since he’s about to offer something new. Interesting that he still brings up the possibility of tnkted or Bum being mafia, at this point it seems impossible since there has been no CC’s on either person and tnkted’s version of events seems perfectly legitimate. And as he points out, assuming tnkted is town then Bum just got DT confirmed.Ok good let’s go over this big paragraph and everything that comes after that. He says I’m convinced Tack is scum so this means I’m suspicious of tnkted because he FoS’d Jackal. None of the rest of that paragraph matters, he’s just wildly WIFOMing on what the mafia may or may not be doing. Let’s go back over his claim. Jackal is by no means confirmed town (at this point in the game) so the fact that tnkted FoSing hims is suspicious is a little wtf. If I recall at this point I’m leaning more to Jackal being scum rather than Tack… and that reminds me, he says he’s almost entirely convinced Tack is scum… but why? He never offers any reasoning. Now I’m not going to draw any solid conclusions from this post, it’s basically bad townie play to FoS someone because they disagree with you on who is red. It’s just interesting to note that BB is certain Tack is scum but he offers no reasons and then FoS’s someone who disagrees with him on who is red. Ok next paragraph. BB offers a very decent solution to the item game. Why didn’t anyone listen? I think I said something along the same lines as did several others but the IG people’s egos were to strong and they kept screaming away about a game that only can net us one scum and will lose us days of actual scum hunting. He and points out we’re spending too much time on it. Couldn’t agree more. Also promises an analysis of Insanious. Excellent! This last part of the post made BB look a whole lot more town to me. He had some wtf reasoning going on and didn’t back up his statements in earlier parts of his post but the last thing the scum want is the town to shift focus off the item game. The longer we’re occupied with the IG the better for the scum teams to hide away in the obscurity of lurkerdom. On March 29 2011 11:51 BrownBear wrote: tnkted: I agree with a lot of your post, I just don't agree with your scumlist. also, kita: can I count posts before you made that as quality posts?  I left out a couple spammy posts talking about activity (again) and Coag rage quitting. Ok this is a little out of the blue, he agrees with what points? And what scum list? For everyone’s viewing pleasure I’ve reposted it: Kav Rean Decon Jackal. This is not a bad scum list imo, what do you not like about it BB? We know now that Jackal is town but Kav Rean and Decon are all good suspects. Please make more contributive posts. This is what you did in your one big post; you made some statements but didn’t explain why Well this is BB’s sad posting history. I’m actually leaning town. I started off fairly certain he was lurking scum but in the middle of analyzing the big post I realized that both scum groups want the IG to go on as long as possible. His posts consist of a lot of fluff which gave me almost nothing to analyze. I’d appreciate another big post from him but this time one that EXPLAINS why he holds his opinions. So the final verdict is leaning town but if he was scum it would almost certainly be black. One thing to note: I’m still awaiting that insanious analysis BB said he was doing… speaking of insanious I’m going to add him to my list of suspects since several other people have voiced suspicions of him. Oh and PS it’s two in the morning where I live so if there are random spelling errors forgive me it’s late. PPS POST MOAR | ||
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On March 25 2011 10:36 Eiii wrote: holy shit this game took off didn't it now that I've spent about three hours reading the thread only to refresh it and the end and find like ten pages to read, taking pages and pages of notes I can finally say: what the fuck are you guys doing It seems like every single mafia game I play (that goes past day two >:|) gets completely sidetracked by some dumb argument that degrades from an argument into just yelling the same shit at each other over and over. Whether it's better to elect someone from the item game or better to NOT elect someone from the item game or elect bum is important, but I swear nothing has happened in the last five pages because annul can't stop yelling about math and everyone else is just saying the same thing over and over. This is obviously NOT GOOD for town. Since I somehow only got called out twice despite never posting all day, I'll show where I stand: Electing bum would be great, having a townie circle with mayor at the head would be ideal. It's crazy that people are throwing so much weight behind bum or against him at this point considering it would be insane for anyone-- red, blue, or black-- to counterclaim bum before they get their roles. How I vote will depend entirely on what happens day 1, and there's no doubt it my mind that something significant will happen regarding bum's candidacy. Yeah no shit, I couldn’t believe how fast it went myself. Anyway the first point is completely true, the first day was a massive shitstorm (only to be topped by the second day though we did not know it). Eii is right; this is not good for the town. You did get called out for being inactive if I recall. Ok this is a pretty good post. He tells us that he wants a town mayor, that’s good. But beyond that he doesn’t say much, doesn’t give an opinion on whether Bum is town or not, in fact he doesn’t say much of anything. This is very solidly a “contributing without contributing post.” On March 25 2011 10:39 Eiii wrote: prerole breadcrumbing, scum imo Also, since I'm pretty much an expert on inactivity, here's a list of people who I don't think have any significant contribution to the game yet: beneather amber kevconsim Kenpachi Keep an eye on these guys, please <3 hypocrisy. If you’re such an expert than you should be able to avoid it. On March 25 2011 10:50 Eiii wrote: orgo or ilovejohn, add them to my list above by the way. wut wut? So for reference these two posts were ten apart, he doesn’t take from anyone on his very recent list he just pulls two random dudes out of his hat and throws them on his list… lol? Why would you kill them? On March 25 2011 10:52 Eiii wrote: sweet :D mine first please! hopefully now we can really get the game started and forget the last twenty pages ever happened. Don’t make me quote that Annul spam quote again On March 25 2011 11:50 Eiii wrote: Oh fuck I forgot voting was going to be done in a separate thread. Unless I'm way off about this: IF YOU VOTE IN THE THREAD, MAKE A NOTE OF THE VOTE HERE AS WELL EXPLAINING YOUR REASONING voting threads seem really dangerous to me, potentially letting people go completely under the radar while still influencing each day's lynch. We have to set a precedence that silently voting WITHOUT at least mentioning it in this thread is extremely suspicious. I agree, this is a good idea. However the hypocrisy is getting a little rankling. And I almost feel like this falls under the category of contributing without contributing. Even scum can invent reasons to bandwagon vote, this is by no means a fool proof system. spam On March 25 2011 13:26 Eiii wrote: bye bye all button :C it’s post like this that got us here. On March 26 2011 11:02 Eiii wrote: Voting bum, nothing big has happened that has changed my mind on the subject. But what was your reason in the first place? In a big thread it’s easy to get away with statements like this but when someone is looking at your posts one after the other it occurs to the watcher that you never gave a reason for voting Bum. What you’ve said so far is that your vote will depend entirely on what happens in the day… tell us what happened that made you vote Bum then. On March 26 2011 11:08 Eiii wrote: as well as brownbean, we need to keep a pretty close eye on beneather and kevconsim... both are 100% sheeping/lurking and have actually contributed nothing this game while just hopping on the bum bandwagon. I feel like I might as well stop analyzing here. Hypocrisy and contributing without contributing. I don’t know which side you’re batting for Eii it’s not for the town. On March 26 2011 16:56 Eiii wrote: Mostly just checking in here, but I really don't like the tackster lynch for now. I had him as a pretty green read, and I CANNOT BELIEVE MORE PEOPLE DIDN'T CALL JACKAL OUT ON THIS I thought this was some kind of throwaway joke reply at first but the he started backing it up. Originally I was going to post another selection of quotes from him that I was gonna say made me question his previously-green status in my mind, but then I read over them and realized I was an idiot and missed the point of the posts entirely. I'm hovering around 80% sure jackal's town, but that doesn't mean we sheep after him all the time. If anyone in the item game should be lynched I think it should be darm, lemon and tack need more investigation. This is choice. The first time he takes a stand it’s to defend someone who is almost certain red. Now I know, we can go back and see that around this time I thought Tack was town and Jackal was scum as well so I can’t go too hard on this post. Also lol at him starting his post saying OMG GAIS LOOK AT THIS TERRIBLE POST BY JACKAL but then lol at those “posts” that he claims he had which he was going to use to question Jackal’s towness but didn’t post because they didn’t prove what he wanted. When you do an analysis the goal should not be to prove but to ANALYZE. If you have analysis then post it. It may not turn out how you thought, see my analysis of BB, but if you can partially confirm someone via analysis then that’s a boon for the town. As I said I can’t go too hard on this post but it’s definitely still worth noting. On March 27 2011 01:41 Eiii wrote: er, jackal (despite not finding any hints) passed the prove-you're-town-by-posting-your-alignment-PM with pretty much flying colors as far as I'm concerned. What the fuck? I mean seriously what is this post supposed to even mean? the only reason I’m posting this is to illustrate the spam On March 27 2011 10:37 Eiii wrote: Just checking in to make sure I don't need to change my vote. I also assumed that item game players would just be vanilla townies that could use items, I feel like that was pretty clear :/ lesson: make zero assumptions! Read the OP maybe? On March 27 2011 17:14 Eiii wrote: I'm just catching up now but want to point out what I meant was lost here-- I meant DESPITE the fact that I felt (and probably others felt) jackal was town we shouldn't just go along with his plans when he doesn't offer anything to back them up, which he was doing quite a bit at the time. Obviously this pretty much goes without saying all the time but I wanted to show support for jackal without agreeing with his seemingly-arbitrary 'x is scum' statements. I’m just catching up now… how many times have we heard that? Seriously people, let’s not post until we know absolutely what the hell is going on. Woa! You thought Jackal was town. I guess you did but reading your other post sort of made it sound like you wanted to have it both ways. It sounded like you thought Jackal was actually scum, made an “analysis” and realized it didn’t prove your point. I’m actually not sure what the fuck this post is saying; he’s voicing his support for Jackal but not his plan? How does that even work? I’d say this is an excellent example of contributing without contributing. On March 27 2011 18:17 Eiii wrote: ahahahahah this is the most hilarious game of mafia ever played spam On March 28 2011 08:05 Eiii wrote: I'm just that important. ironically enough I'll become more active once I get back to school. What’s ironic about the embedded quote is that I never found anything remotely resembling a good post in Eii’s history. He once again makes excuses about activity. On March 28 2011 10:07 Eiii wrote: I don't know about the items being RNG'd This seems like an item that would only be even remotely useful on a green, I could see the items being distributed by alignment with something like this in the pool. Really worthless post here, just speculation about how the items were distributed, if it’s that big of a deal ask LSB. And LSB answers in two posts saying they were RNG’d thus rendering this whole post worthless. On March 28 2011 13:31 Eiii wrote: Aww, I'm on a scumlist now? :/ I eagerly await your reasons then, kav. Quick question: If the whole IG plan was to bait the scum player into stealing jackal's items, why did jackal just let it get stolen instead of protecting it? That's the one thing that I'm confused by in this whole affair. Mhmmm this is a point in Kav’s favor if you’re on his scum list. You’d be on anyone’s scum list who isn’t obsessed with the IG. His question is legitimate but at this point that doesn’t make him town at all, he could just be scum trying to figure the reasoning behind what was going on. In fact that’s my final verdict here. Eiii is scum. He shows classic examples of CWC, spams the thread, and is generally incoherent in a way that fully suggests scum to me. I’m not sure which faction and I’m not certain enough to include a picture of professor awesome, but right now I’d be happy with lynching Eiii once the IG gets cleared up (although who knows when that’ll happen ). Alright I'm pushing three am and I have class tomorrow. I'm tired and my analysis is probably going to go down hill from here (if it hasn't already started ). Tomorrow I'll hit the rest of my list when I get the chance. Amber your next. | ||
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face. Anyway goodnight guys, PLZ don't spam so much tomorrow. Oh and Tackster, after reading through the thread so much tonight I'm gonna vote you. It's logical and there really isn't a viable alternative theory. I'm gonna have to hand it to you for a phenomenal scum game though. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On March 29 2011 17:08 Kavdragon wrote: The lynch on tackster appears to be pretty set. If he flips scum, I've already analysed Insanious, and he is likely also scum. However, there's a chance that I'll get knocked off soon, if the attempt on my life is anything to go by, and I want to get out this stuff sooner than later. No townie go out of his way to point out that he is always wrong. The only thing that something like this could serve to do, is make people ignore their opinions. The only people who want this are scum. Kenpachi is scum In his first (and only) analysis, he concludes that iGrok is scum because of a number of spam posts. After posting replies to comments on his analysis he starts doing the very thing that he based his accusation off of: Spam: Note: These posts were made one after the other. I didn’t edit out any posts in-between them. Why post this if you aren’t going to add anything? He’s called someone out for being scummy because of spam, yet he spams. This clearly shows that he doesn’t hold strong convictions about spam being scummy. No townie would make an analysis based on a conviction they don’t hold. Only scum would do something like this to make it look like they are contributing. Kenpachi is scum Scum hit me last night, and it didn’t work. Scum will try to kill me again. This obviously didn’t go very far, but there’s no way in liquidia that a townie posted this sort of crap. "I'm confused, but let's just kill kav, kk?" There is no way that a townie would see more red on my name than on Tacksters name. There is no way that Kenpachi is a townie. Kenpachi is scum To borrow the line that you borrowed from | ||
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On March 29 2011 18:57 deconduo wrote: 1. Tack is town 2. Lemon is Maf 3. Kav is Black I've explained 1+2 to the best of my ability, but unfortunately TL townies just sheep whoever shouts loudest. Once again there is NO CASE against Tack that doesn't apply to any of the other item game players bar Coag. But hey, don't let that stop you. 3 is kinda cool. Kav is black and got hit last night. As he didn't know whether it was maf or town that hit him, he claimed vet to stop any suspicion towards him. He made a fatal error however, vets work a little differently in this game: I can't convince you not to lynch Tack today it seems, so we are doomed to lose the item game. At least when he flips town it clears me and you can lynch kav though. Well fuck this changes things, Kenpachi may still be a red that the Blacks found somehow and want lynched... in fact this may make the case stronger. But I withdraw my green call on Kav, wanna hear more from decon | ||
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Well my question was going to be are you sure you're unique and that there aren't other vets with different types of roles. But I realized that's a pretty pointless question and just calls for specualtion so I'd rather hear from Kav instead. Kav: why did you live if you're not a vet. And if you are a vet how does it work since it must be different from Decon. | ||
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On March 30 2011 08:27 bumatlarge wrote: Fine you really want to be alive? It doesn't matter to me. I'm not some supreme court judge, but I need this IG game resolved. It's gotta be you or lemon. There is a lot of unwarranted slack on you tackster I admit it, and 22 votes to 3 or whatever doesn't look right. But you squirm like no one I've ever seen. I've read the thread twice and all I see is mile long posts about why you are innocent with very little reference to much else in the game. If you were a really vital role I could understand but a vanilla townie is something where you give it up and tell town what to do after he dies. Making all this fuss makes it so hard to see you as a green townie and not some mafia. You ever read that story "A piece string"? A poor dude picks up a piece of string, some guy thinks its a wallet he picks up and he spends the entire time ranting about how it wasn't a wallet it was really a piece of string. He raves about it so much no one can really believe him over a petty thing like that. Just cause he can't stomach people thinking he is a liar. While he is right, it doesn't do him any good. I feel bad. You've made me feel bad, you and deconduo. It's your first game or whatever and you really need to prove this so why not. It does not play a big role in my grand scheme of things, but it will help if we win it. Man im so bummed. Voting lemon walrus. Holy shit you've gotta be the worst mayor I've ever seen. I'm sorry Annul. We should have elected you. I mean come on Bum, Tackster gets all emotional and you fall for it? And you were a pretty big proponent of his lynch. What ever, I just want everyone to know I won't be able to post my analysis of Amber until later tonight, I'm currently out. | ||
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Second: Tack lynch was interesting, I should have stuck with my gut and voted for somebody not Tack (either Jackal or lemonwalrus). We did learn something because of the late voting so I'm going to bounce Eiii up from probably scum to almost certain scum. I'd highly encourage any vigis out there to take a shot at him. For reference here is my analysis of Eii + Show Spoiler + On March 29 2011 18:53 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Alright here’s Eii Yeah no shit, I couldn’t believe how fast it went myself. Anyway the first point is completely true, the first day was a massive shitstorm (only to be topped by the second day though we did not know it). Eii is right; this is not good for the town. You did get called out for being inactive if I recall. Ok this is a pretty good post. He tells us that he wants a town mayor, that’s good. But beyond that he doesn’t say much, doesn’t give an opinion on whether Bum is town or not, in fact he doesn’t say much of anything. This is very solidly a “contributing without contributing post.” <3 hypocrisy. If you’re such an expert than you should be able to avoid it. wut wut? So for reference these two posts were ten apart, he doesn’t take from anyone on his very recent list he just pulls two random dudes out of his hat and throws them on his list… lol? Why would you kill them? Don’t make me quote that Annul spam quote again I agree, this is a good idea. However the hypocrisy is getting a little rankling. And I almost feel like this falls under the category of contributing without contributing. Even scum can invent reasons to bandwagon vote, this is by no means a fool proof system. spam it’s post like this that got us here. But what was your reason in the first place? In a big thread it’s easy to get away with statements like this but when someone is looking at your posts one after the other it occurs to the watcher that you never gave a reason for voting Bum. What you’ve said so far is that your vote will depend entirely on what happens in the day… tell us what happened that made you vote Bum then. I feel like I might as well stop analyzing here. Hypocrisy and contributing without contributing. I don’t know which side you’re batting for Eii it’s not for the town. This is choice. The first time he takes a stand it’s to defend someone who is almost certain red. Now I know, we can go back and see that around this time I thought Tack was town and Jackal was scum as well so I can’t go too hard on this post. Also lol at him starting his post saying OMG GAIS LOOK AT THIS TERRIBLE POST BY JACKAL but then lol at those “posts” that he claims he had which he was going to use to question Jackal’s towness but didn’t post because they didn’t prove what he wanted. When you do an analysis the goal should not be to prove but to ANALYZE. If you have analysis then post it. It may not turn out how you thought, see my analysis of BB, but if you can partially confirm someone via analysis then that’s a boon for the town. As I said I can’t go too hard on this post but it’s definitely still worth noting. What the fuck? I mean seriously what is this post supposed to even mean? the only reason I’m posting this is to illustrate the spam Read the OP maybe? I’m just catching up now… how many times have we heard that? Seriously people, let’s not post until we know absolutely what the hell is going on. Woa! You thought Jackal was town. I guess you did but reading your other post sort of made it sound like you wanted to have it both ways. It sounded like you thought Jackal was actually scum, made an “analysis” and realized it didn’t prove your point. I’m actually not sure what the fuck this post is saying; he’s voicing his support for Jackal but not his plan? How does that even work? I’d say this is an excellent example of contributing without contributing. spam What’s ironic about the embedded quote is that I never found anything remotely resembling a good post in Eii’s history. He once again makes excuses about activity. Really worthless post here, just speculation about how the items were distributed, if it’s that big of a deal ask LSB. And LSB answers in two posts saying they were RNG’d thus rendering this whole post worthless. Mhmmm this is a point in Kav’s favor if you’re on his scum list. You’d be on anyone’s scum list who isn’t obsessed with the IG. His question is legitimate but at this point that doesn’t make him town at all, he could just be scum trying to figure the reasoning behind what was going on. In fact that’s my final verdict here. Eiii is scum. He shows classic examples of CWC, spams the thread, and is generally incoherent in a way that fully suggests scum to me. I’m not sure which faction and I’m not certain enough to include a picture of professor awesome, but right now I’d be happy with lynching Eiii once the IG gets cleared up (although who knows when that’ll happen ). Alright I'm pushing three am and I have class tomorrow. I'm tired and my analysis is probably going to go down hill from here (if it hasn't already started ). Tomorrow I'll hit the rest of my list when I get the chance. Amber your next. | ||
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On March 25 2011 09:53 Amber[LighT] wrote: We're not going to "confirm" a player in time to elect them for mayor. It's a necessary risk so I don't really understand why you're arguing the point. Yup this is true. Good start here; we really have no way of confirming the mayor day one but what Bum offered was the next best thing. He was a whole lot more confirmed than Annul at that point. On March 26 2011 07:29 Amber[LighT] wrote: Yah I know I haven't been active so far I was waiting for the Day post to come up before I began posting. I didn't really want to commit to a plan or begin constructing a plan until the game "officially" began. Besides that the annul spam-fest was becoming incredibly overwhelming so I just didn't even want to participate in that. I think Bum would be a good mayor. I also feel like the election is a little too one-sided and it's worrying me a bit. I won't be voting for someone for the time being. I just wanted to touch on one other post I spotted that is very important. I gotta agree with this completely. The best way for a townie victory on the item game is to begin whittling down this list. The items will become very important later on as well [I hope]. I think Annul and Coagulation are two persons of interest. Annul is probably green. There's no way I could believe that someone who's been productively spamming this thread is red. Coagulation is not playing crazy. He's being punctual with his posts and it's not like his play from previous games. Then again his play from previous games looks nothing like his play from games before those. I am convinced that Coagulation is pro town, regardless of how much bb code he places on my name in a list. This post is interesting. He thinks Bum would be a good mayor but he’s worried with how one sided the election is. He also quotes Darm (the CEO) and says he agrees with it completely. Really? He thinks we should just start shooting in to the IG to kill people and whittle it down? I don’t like that very much :/. What’s also interesting about this post here is how noncommittal he is. He offers both Coag and Annul as persons of interest but then calls them both protown… unless he’s talking about persons of interest for a medic protect then he’s pretty much contradicting himself in one paragraph. On March 27 2011 00:40 Amber[LighT] wrote: That's definitely not the case. As of right now he's given us good direction for the first day and it's not worth discounting him because of things like "I'm hovering around 80% sure jackal's town..." I'm still a little lost on the item game concept other than the items are going to be beneficial later. Focusing on the item game players would be good if we want to get the item game over with. This is a huge risk though because if we mess up the items could go to another party. I think it should be up to the item game players to battle it out amongst each other in the thread. It's harder for the other 20+ players to just jump in and start throwing punches. We should be focusing on other things like finding scummy players within the thread. I'm going to look into a couple of players outside of the item game who are playing differently. Don't count on this before the end of the day though, but I'll try to get it closer to ~8 PM tonight whenever I'm available again. For now I'm going to throw my mayor vote on bum just to avoid death. I still find it a bit unsettling that the election is almost entirely on bum. This isn't going to benefit us later for scum hunting. This is a very bland post. However I agree with most of it. It would have been better if the IG had just slugged it out, if tnkted hadn’t interfered then we probably wouldn’t have lynched Tack since it’s almost certain that lemonwalrus is scum. The last paragraph is a very good one and it’s what I’m trying to do, I’m trying to analyze people who aren’t in the IG so when it’s over we’re not all “derp what now, we know nothing.” However, while I agree with the premise of this post, I’m not liking the messenger. Amber hasn’t really delivered. His promised analysis never arrived. On March 27 2011 02:39 Amber[LighT] wrote: Wouldn't a DT item help scum identify black players? Or even blues? You shouldn't discount the strength of an ability because it seems protown. Would advise reading PYP mafia games if you don't agree... Good point. On March 28 2011 11:12 Amber[LighT] wrote: I think it's pretty obvious some people were not happy with Annul during Day 1. Shame he was a bodyguard too the other bodyguard needs to keep himself out of the fray, if he hasn't already been removed from the massive arguments and nonsensical FOSing that was going on during Day 1 ;/ LOOOOOOOOL yeah. Someone needs to read the thread better. However if he just changed the name to GM it would be a decent post. The other bodyguard should be keeping a low profile because we can’t afford to lose our confirmed blue mayor. Note: he does clarify this a few posts later. On March 28 2011 13:18 Amber[LighT] wrote: He doesn't think he was hit, he says he took a hit. Gotta account for this as well. I really don't like this bandwagoning that's going on. Yah it's really suspicious that your hit got swapped but it just seems too convenient. We're allowing the trigger happy coag run the show. Are we going to see a townie fall today because of your short-sighted analysis? Weak post. I’m beginning to see a pattern here. The point is good but he just kinda throws it out there without really standing for it. Obviously the bandwagon turned out to be a terrible thing but it’s this kind of posting that allowed it to get the way it did. If you’re worried about a trend then speak up! If you’re town then you’ve got nothing to hide. On March 29 2011 23:29 Amber[LighT] wrote: This is pretty spot on. It'd standard to claim you were hit immediately after it happens. Hiding out and waiting for someone else to claim usually hurts more than helps. Agreement agreement agreement, that’s all I’m ever hearing. This post does absolutely NOTHING. The question was already answered and Amber’s just hoping on the back side of that to look useful. PEOPLE WHEN YOU DO THIS IT MAKES MY SCUMDAR GO HAYWIRE. This post is most definitely CWC. On March 30 2011 06:07 Amber[LighT] wrote: FOS Jackal or Coag and see what players become the most paranoid. Honestly Deconduo can you really blame me for the hardcore lurking? Excessive posts are extremely excessive. There's clearly a bunch of nooby mafia players in this game but the spam fest continues and continues. This is overwhelming. Remember guys less is more and this isn't a quantity battle. The game is not to see who screams the loudest. I think the item game has really added a mind-fuck mechanic to this game that has got people going bonkers looking for one mafia member. I'm actually hoping that by tomorrow the item game is pretty much a thing of the past. I also realize that the only way to have a townie win is to get rid of the mafioso in the group. Tack seems to be the best target, but don't forget.....When this item game is over, the mafia player in that game knows he is probably outted and more or less dead anyway. Would he even bother to put up a fight? Does an item game victory guarantee the mafia enough to salvage 1 life? Is tack just allowing himself to sink? I mean yah he's trying to keep himself alive but no one is really going towards his aid anyway. If the town consensus is to go ahead and lynch Tack then I'll vote that way. He's either been abandoned by his own team or he's alone already and no one wants to really stick out their neck for him. You’ll lynch Tack because it’s what the town wants to do but you also FoS Coag and Jackal? This is pretty contradictory. I know you said it was to make them squirm but you never actually did anything to make them squirm. Also, when you lynch someone it should be for reasons other than “it’s the consensus” this sort of sheeping is what loses the town games. You also make excuses for inactivity. Well, if you just posted once or twice a day with actual opinions then we probably wouldn’t even be here analyzing you. Instead you’ve just parroted what other people have said and CWC’d. On March 30 2011 06:50 Amber[LighT] wrote: Most TL Mafia games [IIRC] state that 3rd party players with bulletproof are actually night kill proof [they only die to lynches], and I'm assuming most of the players in this game were playing this game with that same description in mind. If you had dozens of good posts in the thread and had been actively engaged in the discussion then I would have let this post slide as merely someone answering a question. But when you’ve already had such a poor record this just adds to it because you’re just posting so you can say “look I posted!” Woop de doo that’s his last post as of now. Lurking? Check. CWC? Check. Mindless agreement and sheeping? Check. Waffling and indecisiveness? Check. This call is a pretty easy scum call imo. | ||
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